The stupidest thing in Gran Turismo. You get a penalty for hitting a wall, then another one if you hit the wall backing up trying to get back on the track. Great win Tidge! It's Peugeot VGT time!
Also the Yellow flag penalty, yes yes, lets make it realistic, but let me know how many pixels have had to die for this to be a thing in a game, real life, yes, game..... Nah.
@@JeffWeselyanbro did you even try to attempt spelling Mount Panorama? Commonly referred to as Bathurst . You’ll never get anywhere or accomplish anything by sitting back never giving anything that challenges you a shot. Challenge leads us to success or failure; this is how we learn and grow as men. “The greatest teacher, Failure is.” -Master Yoda
The rcf is not the best but it handles good, is stable at the downhill section, has a decent top speed, dirty air doesn’t affect too much, and it’s not too aggressive with tires
I like the feel of the new feed back on my Logitech 923 but it is a bit hard to relearn all the tracks. I have noticed in some of my replays my tires bouncing like crazy not sure if it affects anything or just a replay thing
I saw you holding back a swear with the Dipper penalty. Not surprised. Always found that penalty really stupid. If you cut it enough to matter you are usually in a wall afterwards.
3:27 "Try to avoid the barrier at all cost," as you would in real life. In that sense the harsh penalties and light damage setting seem like a balanced compromise to me.
I tried the Porsche for the first time for some trial mountain TT and my dear God that thing is out of control through sector 1. The back end is all over the place 🙈
as a B/S driver myself it's not even fun to play because of the amount of rammers. i genuinely stopped playing online after i got rammed out of either podium or top 5 10 games in a row and finishing 10th or worse taking first corner and getting shunted into the wall when i qualify 1st isn't fun either
@@ZippZimmerman tbh A is also very dirty. only at A+ you’ll find the cleanest and most respectful people. i used to drive vs A to C rated drivers all the time but it might be different in different regions
I've said this before the DR rewards system is broken and rewards dirty driving. I feel like your DR should be frozen until you are back to S SR. Punts for 1 place to grab a few DR points is all to common. Love seeing those B SR drivers punt their way to a win. This past week was a bloodbath up the mountain Everytime.
That has to be the stupidest Track Penalty ever. All that time lost for cutting THAT amount of grass. Not even the FIA in how clueless they are overall throws penalties for THAT amount of Track cutting in THAT corner. What the hell are they thinking? Likewise, who's gaining by hitting the walls? Do these people even play their own game? Anyhow, great job on the win. Certainly picked a hell of a track to do it with Big shout to ALYAFEI, the amount of saves in THAT portion of the track was insane.
As an Aussie who's watched many Bathurst 1000s', I can confirm there is definitely no track limit at the dipper/forest elbow. They literally punish you for taking the racing line it's so dumb. Even using the escape roads to avoid ruining someone's race when you make a mistake gets you a penalty. AND THEN the next race your SR is dropped and you're racing against idiots who don't understand how to race.
@Tidgney since the 1.49 update I am experiencing severe steering issues with some cars that are fully upgraded. For example the new Gallardo and Ferrari once fully upgraded, stock settings and disaster to drive, even in LeMans 700pp race. The especially problematic corners are first chicane "second corner", the third chicane where you need to slow down to around 100kmh and then the at the end of last loooong straight where you have first fast corner to the right and slow want to the right. These two cars are completely inconsistent: at 250 breaking is not a problem - between 130 and 190 the cars simply slingshot themselves from the track - like in the raining conditions when you break too much and you spin like an idiot out of the track. I am using DualSense Edge Controller, tilt steering and manual shifting, TCS2, other assists OFF. I wouldn't "complain" over the game if the same car - Ferrari wouldn't be completely different car with stock tires (got gold in Tokyo without a problem) and also decent with everything stock but racing tires on. On the other hand the new car RUF goes like a train in the same track. To me that doesn't make any sense at all. Perhaps this can be start of an interesting video, how to break since the new update: for example with that damn Ferrari in LeMans and pick some other car and track where you feel we will learn some more.
I can understand that, it is very frustrating the way some cars drive. I'm currently testing in detail temperature on tyres as I think that's playing a massive part of it.
@@tidgney to be honest, I find gran turismo as a very nice game to play, but since the 1.49 I lost trust into Polyphony as a serious company. I am in the IT too and if we would release soooo buggy update, QA and dev team would be fired. The want to be the best simulator - well hire proper QA and od course be transparent with changes to the game. The most important aspect of every game is audience. And if it is too hard to drive, they lose players and by losing players, polyphony loses income and at the end even experts like you lose. However if they want to show how precize league is, they can always change physics for elite league where you have to be at least A driver to join. It consider this as a game and game must be fun :). No need for NFS physics - far away… lets keep it simulation, but nobody will sell me that Porchee ruf can handle breaking at 140 without slingshot effect, whereas Ferrari from this update flies from the track… something does t work here (I would believe this for Ferrari vs us american car…)
Just a playful question. Two questions. 1 should a penalty be served by ghosting and slowing down at some area on the track, or should it be handled like in F1? I feel the F1 system is fair. Fairer than this, anyway. 2 should you be ghosted if you crash? You won't ruin someone else's race, but it's hardly realistic, is it? Which was supposed to be the goal, once. Ok, 3. Shouldn't damage always be heavy? If realism and careful driving are key features, I think it should. It's ultimately just a game, but responsability is still a thing.
1) I feel that the penalty should be given at the end. 2) Full realism would make the racing very boring. But in terms of ghosting it's a system to create better racing. We shouldn't be trying to replicate every part of real racing as real racing also has many weaknesses. 3) We've tried this many times, the same situation happens each time with lag / net code causing damage and innocent people just having their time wasted. Appreciate the questions! 👍
I don't like this daily race. The wall penalties and I keep getting pit line penalties leaving the pits because the auto drive turns off and sets you up for a penalty
PD penalties are such a pathetic example of "we know better than you" refusal to pay attention to what is actually happening. Every league I've done has to turn wall and track cut penalties off for Bathurst rounds because of how terrible they are here.
You should have zero complaints about track limits penalties. You have time trail/qualy to learn them, they don't change(or shouldn't). So we know where and when and how we get them, Yes barrier penalties are annoying but wall riders are far more annoying for those who race cleanly. Seems clear that it's an all or nothing with wall/barrier penalties. Let the riders cheat or punish every slight mistake,
I can complain about a penalty that wouldn't be applied in real life, especially on a corner where I'd argue nailing it that good should be rewarded not penalised that's all.
Yes! And the physics update did wonders for our favorite car. You can now go through banked turns and chicanes without the rear wheels overtaking the front. 🤣
LoL, funny but I liked the new update. No problem for me thou but amazed when I saw a lot of ppl going off the track in front of me..... Having a blast 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 seems that ppl with lots of driving aid is having a lot of problem huh even with those help 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I'm in favour of penalties but not of the reasons for getting them. Cutting corners is obvious. Collisions? You might get one for getting hit by someone else. Or you didn't leave enough room, who knows? Not the server. Hitting a wall is not a reason, it's its own punishment. Pit entry and exit are often plain stupid in their design. Not just on fantasy tracks, real ones are sometimes pretty bad too. Tilke should look to that. But pit exit on Sardegna is downright dangerous, right into the racing line. Irl ppl would die.
This penalty system is so scuffed, wall penalties are ridiculous if it slows your progress, tapping the wall isn't helping anyone, if you are BLATANTLY wall riding, yes, but a glancing blow???? Nah.
I fully disagree with 0:50, I’m sorry, waiting for them to get going again, BOTH your races are toast at that moment! If you tapped someone and they spun out KEEP GOING! You can try to apologize to them as long as they don’t rage quit before you can get them. Plus what happens if they DO rage quit BEFORE you can even do anything? You’ll be sitting there for no reason! I don’t think that’s good sportsmanship at all. It’s more like to me “oh I accidentally hit one guy so now I disqualify myself to give up every single spot to give it back and then run at the back for the rest of the race”. YOU RACE TO PLACE AND WIN!
Easy, brake sooner and avoid mistakes. If the mistake is yours, ofc you should wait. Otherwise you still have mariokart or even rocket league to keep playing like that
@@telmo2430 you have NEVER seen a nascar, INDYCAR, IMSA, F1x MotoGP, LeMans, Asian LeMans, Brazil Trucks or even a Baja race where someone who spun someone else out waited for them to pass!
@@telmo2430 and in the game if you accidentally spin someone out you keep going and try to apologize in the chat! Simple as that! No other racing series does this!
The stupidest thing in Gran Turismo. You get a penalty for hitting a wall, then another one if you hit the wall backing up trying to get back on the track. Great win Tidge! It's Peugeot VGT time!
That why I’m not racing parmount srry for getting wrong but I been calling it long time
Also the Yellow flag penalty, yes yes, lets make it realistic, but let me know how many pixels have had to die for this to be a thing in a game, real life, yes, game..... Nah.
@@JeffWeselyanbro did you even try to attempt spelling Mount Panorama? Commonly referred to as Bathurst . You’ll never get anywhere or accomplish anything by sitting back never giving anything that challenges you a shot. Challenge leads us to success or failure; this is how we learn and grow as men. “The greatest teacher, Failure is.” -Master Yoda
@@SoberHighDrunk oh please 🙄 I try it.
Lol
The rcf is not the best but it handles good, is stable at the downhill section, has a decent top speed, dirty air doesn’t affect too much, and it’s not too aggressive with tires
Congrats on getting that one done!! You're a far better driver than I to be able to manhandle that thing around Bathurst for 10 laps, cheers!! 🍻
Great racing Tidge! And congrats with 58k subs. The channel growth is insane👍
I definitely notice that overlapping throttle brake and smooth brake application goes a real long way on MR cars in Gr3 now.
Ye definitely will do as the weight transfer is still there but with the wonky setups it's made sliding even more extreme.
I like the feel of the new feed back on my Logitech 923 but it is a bit hard to relearn all the tracks. I have noticed in some of my replays my tires bouncing like crazy not sure if it affects anything or just a replay thing
I saw you holding back a swear with the Dipper penalty. Not surprised. Always found that penalty really stupid. If you cut it enough to matter you are usually in a wall afterwards.
I love the commentary, reminds me of Murray Walker (are you related?) Keep up the good work Tidge 👍🏻
I'm not but I appreciate the VERY big compliment!
HOLY SHIT YOU DID IT
I will now shut up with my requests 👍
3:27 "Try to avoid the barrier at all cost," as you would in real life. In that sense the harsh penalties and light damage setting seem like a balanced compromise to me.
Another great video as always. Must say I’m right chuffed to see one of my TCR liveries make it! Cheers Lemony ❤
Don't understand why they turn on wall penalties on such tracks. Keep them on when racing Blue Moon Bay/ High Speed Ring kind of tracks
They have to punish wall hits some way or another. You wouldn't do very well if you kept hitting walls in a real race too.
I tried the Porsche for the first time for some trial mountain TT and my dear God that thing is out of control through sector 1. The back end is all over the place 🙈
It’s insane the different gt7 worlds we live in. B/S driver. Most of my races I just don’t want to play anymore
as a B/S driver myself it's not even fun to play because of the amount of rammers.
i genuinely stopped playing online after i got rammed out of either podium or top 5 10 games in a row and finishing 10th or worse
taking first corner and getting shunted into the wall when i qualify 1st isn't fun either
Finding a league is the best thing you can do. Still need to find one myself but the quality of racing is usually superb
Agreed I have more fun in a C lobby than the aggressively dirty B lobbies. When I get to A it's so nice.
@@ZippZimmerman tbh A is also very dirty. only at A+ you’ll find the cleanest and most respectful people. i used to drive vs A to C rated drivers all the time but it might be different in different regions
I've said this before the DR rewards system is broken and rewards dirty driving. I feel like your DR should be frozen until you are back to S SR. Punts for 1 place to grab a few DR points is all to common. Love seeing those B SR drivers punt their way to a win. This past week was a bloodbath up the mountain Everytime.
That has to be the stupidest Track Penalty ever. All that time lost for cutting THAT amount of grass. Not even the FIA in how clueless they are overall throws penalties for THAT amount of Track cutting in THAT corner. What the hell are they thinking? Likewise, who's gaining by hitting the walls? Do these people even play their own game? Anyhow, great job on the win. Certainly picked a hell of a track to do it with
Big shout to ALYAFEI, the amount of saves in THAT portion of the track was insane.
Take the BMW '11 Z4 and it is very stable over skyline, it has good accel but suffers top speed. I really have been liking it. It is a tiny car.
As an Aussie who's watched many Bathurst 1000s', I can confirm there is definitely no track limit at the dipper/forest elbow. They literally punish you for taking the racing line it's so dumb.
Even using the escape roads to avoid ruining someone's race when you make a mistake gets you a penalty. AND THEN the next race your SR is dropped and you're racing against idiots who don't understand how to race.
Thanks for confirming Dylan! I thought that was the case, it's so random!
@@tidgney still not fixed this week LOL
@Tidgney since the 1.49 update I am experiencing severe steering issues with some cars that are fully upgraded. For example the new Gallardo and Ferrari once fully upgraded, stock settings and disaster to drive, even in LeMans 700pp race. The especially problematic corners are first chicane "second corner", the third chicane where you need to slow down to around 100kmh and then the at the end of last loooong straight where you have first fast corner to the right and slow want to the right. These two cars are completely inconsistent: at 250 breaking is not a problem - between 130 and 190 the cars simply slingshot themselves from the track - like in the raining conditions when you break too much and you spin like an idiot out of the track. I am using DualSense Edge Controller, tilt steering and manual shifting, TCS2, other assists OFF.
I wouldn't "complain" over the game if the same car - Ferrari wouldn't be completely different car with stock tires (got gold in Tokyo without a problem) and also decent with everything stock but racing tires on. On the other hand the new car RUF goes like a train in the same track. To me that doesn't make any sense at all.
Perhaps this can be start of an interesting video, how to break since the new update: for example with that damn Ferrari in LeMans and pick some other car and track where you feel we will learn some more.
I can understand that, it is very frustrating the way some cars drive. I'm currently testing in detail temperature on tyres as I think that's playing a massive part of it.
@@tidgney to be honest, I find gran turismo as a very nice game to play, but since the 1.49 I lost trust into Polyphony as a serious company. I am in the IT too and if we would release soooo buggy update, QA and dev team would be fired. The want to be the best simulator - well hire proper QA and od course be transparent with changes to the game.
The most important aspect of every game is audience. And if it is too hard to drive, they lose players and by losing players, polyphony loses income and at the end even experts like you lose.
However if they want to show how precize league is, they can always change physics for elite league where you have to be at least A driver to join. It consider this as a game and game must be fun :). No need for NFS physics - far away… lets keep it simulation, but nobody will sell me that Porchee ruf can handle breaking at 140 without slingshot effect, whereas Ferrari from this update flies from the track… something does t work here (I would believe this for Ferrari vs us american car…)
Stop cutting that downhill corner gaining vast amounts of time Tidge 😂 and pack it in with Ghost exploitation 😂😂 great video cheers
PD is smoking sum crazy stuff if they think this physics is good!!! I hate it!!! They have ruined it again!! Wtf PD!!??
Timestamps:
0:12 - Race 1
6:33 - Race 2
15:21 - Race 7 (skipped Races 3 to 6)
19:46 - Outro and Conclusion
Mazda atenza gr4
Just a playful question. Two questions.
1 should a penalty be served by ghosting and slowing down at some area on the track, or should it be handled like in F1? I feel the F1 system is fair. Fairer than this, anyway.
2 should you be ghosted if you crash? You won't ruin someone else's race, but it's hardly realistic, is it? Which was supposed to be the goal, once.
Ok, 3. Shouldn't damage always be heavy? If realism and careful driving are key features, I think it should. It's ultimately just a game, but responsability is still a thing.
I, and most people don't think fun should be sacrificed for realism. Acc and iRacing exist with more realistic features if you're looking for that
1) I feel that the penalty should be given at the end.
2) Full realism would make the racing very boring. But in terms of ghosting it's a system to create better racing. We shouldn't be trying to replicate every part of real racing as real racing also has many weaknesses.
3) We've tried this many times, the same situation happens each time with lag / net code causing damage and innocent people just having their time wasted.
Appreciate the questions! 👍
Ford GT LM Spec II
Strange because my pace here is the best with the 911 thanks to its traction compared to the FR cars.
Mazda atenza gr4 or gr3
I don't like this daily race. The wall penalties and I keep getting pit line penalties leaving the pits because the auto drive turns off and sets you up for a penalty
the supra needs to be nerf
PD penalties are such a pathetic example of "we know better than you" refusal to pay attention to what is actually happening. Every league I've done has to turn wall and track cut penalties off for Bathurst rounds because of how terrible they are here.
You should have zero complaints about track limits penalties.
You have time trail/qualy to learn them, they don't change(or shouldn't). So we know where and when and how we get them,
Yes barrier penalties are annoying but wall riders are far more annoying for those who race cleanly. Seems clear that it's an all or nothing with wall/barrier penalties.
Let the riders cheat or punish every slight mistake,
I can complain about a penalty that wouldn't be applied in real life, especially on a corner where I'd argue nailing it that good should be rewarded not penalised that's all.
Renault rs01 every day...
Yes! And the physics update did wonders for our favorite car. You can now go through banked turns and chicanes without the rear wheels overtaking the front. 🤣
gg's Tidge, legend 🙌 👏.
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It's terrible, setups said physics have made me quit daily races, can not get feel back, loved old settings. Thanks Tidge 👍
It happens but I do notice very much u can’t really lock up rear brakes same weigh car base by engine lol maybe in my opinion lol
The handling is so janky.
LoL, funny but I liked the new update. No problem for me thou but amazed when I saw a lot of ppl going off the track in front of me..... Having a blast 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 seems that ppl with lots of driving aid is having a lot of problem huh even with those help 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
It's not people with driving aids. It's normal people with shitty physics
I'm in favour of penalties but not of the reasons for getting them. Cutting corners is obvious. Collisions? You might get one for getting hit by someone else. Or you didn't leave enough room, who knows? Not the server. Hitting a wall is not a reason, it's its own punishment. Pit entry and exit are often plain stupid in their design. Not just on fantasy tracks, real ones are sometimes pretty bad too. Tilke should look to that.
But pit exit on Sardegna is downright dangerous, right into the racing line. Irl ppl would die.
This penalty system is so scuffed, wall penalties are ridiculous if it slows your progress, tapping the wall isn't helping anyone, if you are BLATANTLY wall riding, yes, but a glancing blow???? Nah.
I fully disagree with 0:50, I’m sorry, waiting for them to get going again, BOTH your races are toast at that moment! If you tapped someone and they spun out KEEP GOING! You can try to apologize to them as long as they don’t rage quit before you can get them. Plus what happens if they DO rage quit BEFORE you can even do anything? You’ll be sitting there for no reason! I don’t think that’s good sportsmanship at all. It’s more like to me “oh I accidentally hit one guy so now I disqualify myself to give up every single spot to give it back and then run at the back for the rest of the race”. YOU RACE TO PLACE AND WIN!
Easy, brake sooner and avoid mistakes. If the mistake is yours, ofc you should wait. Otherwise you still have mariokart or even rocket league to keep playing like that
@@telmo2430 ahem, all real life sports don’t do this kind of thing! Plus Mario Kart and Rocket Leauge aren’t even real racing!
@@telmo2430 you have NEVER seen a nascar, INDYCAR, IMSA, F1x MotoGP, LeMans, Asian LeMans, Brazil Trucks or even a Baja race where someone who spun someone else out waited for them to pass!
@@DoctorDetroitNardo wake up mate, you are driving on a game, not IRL
@@telmo2430 and in the game if you accidentally spin someone out you keep going and try to apologize in the chat! Simple as that! No other racing series does this!