One important thing no one mentioned here so far, is that some of those techniques, specially rolling, are severely limited by the quality and type of the pad. Here in Brazil you hardly find a good, well maintained pad, most of them are old, some of those that still have big screws over the pad, and many others that have failing sensors. In those you get seriously limited, because you can't trust the edges will work with quicky and light hits. They're a big handicap even when playing normally really.
I usually play at Madureira Mall (RJ), and I often find myself missing holds even if I'm holding as I should, probably because of the aforementioned failing sensors. The cab there is a 2011 Fiesta running Prime 2015 (sadly no Danza Kuduro cause it's probably not correctly set to Latin America) with a pretty shoddy pad
when I started playing 15 years ago, we were told to never cheat, we didn't use the bar, we needed to flow between patterns and stairs, twisting your body was usually the easier most efficient way to do these things. And a lot of these techniques are actually harder without the bar because you need to perform small an precise microjumps that are just so hard to do without it, and I was dumbfounded at the level players achieved in these past years, but now I see how they do it. This was very very very entertaining, thank you
I don't have decent stamina so I tend to do these tricks a LOT (even on places where I shouldn't, according to your insight). still, there's a lot of things I learned from this video that I didn't even know, so thanks a lot for bringing those up. thanks YT for bringing this towards my home page. and thank you for making this guide. good job and keep up the good work!
Great video!!! I just think the most used cheat to do is. M runs is not treating the (red yellow red) as one, but as two. Making the stairs like : blue redyellow red blue. That prevents you from jumping, that is the worst thing for preserving energy
i suppose for super fast steps you kinda have to utilize those techniques. However, dancing without the bar and hitting the patterns with actual dance like movements is very rewarding and super fun.
I'm a newer player to Pump, currently 18y/o... and I've peaked at about S11 currently... this is gonna be so important because I'm so bad at crossovers, MRuns and twists I feel like my level would go up so much once I get some of these methods right
Good guide! Working to pass 23s now. I only try to cheat if I know the chart well enough, or if I'm just going for a pass. I just get so scared of missing one note trying to cheat and losing all of my flow haha
I played PIU from the Prex 3 to Xceed 2 days and only recently stumbled on to this vid after essentially forgetting about PIU for almost 20 years. What in the blue hell is this!? I remember being able to play half-double/double charts period being considered "good" at the game, and there being only normal/hard/crazy skill levels, with a crazy board being today's equivalent of a s12 board, and an s12 board being something players should hit in a day after play. This is a heart attack inducement machine now, good lord.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing either, it looks like fun! It's just way, way, _way_ beyond my comprehension at this point. IIRC the world championships in the mid 00s had contestants playing a Crazy double chart for CRASH - 'Dignity', something that it seems enthusiast players today would use as a warmup. I'm very impressed how the scene evolved.
I feel like the PIU machines back then had a much more strict timing for Perfects, any delay in your execution would give you Greats or Goods. What I see nowadays is you hit the arrow at any time and you consistently get Perfects. Timing is much more forgiving now. Every video you see someone playing Dignity crazy, they are using the rolling or hoping technique to hit the arrows without ever turning their bodies sideways, and they get mostly Perfects. Dignity crazy went from insanely difficulty to a meme chart.
I just discovered this video. I really appreciate all the effort you put on the explanation, thank you! The following question may sound silly but, do you have a recommended song/s to start with those tricks to help the "memory muscle"? I'm still just a S18/19 guy but I'm really interested to start learning those tricks.
Well.... i think we pumpers say : cheating to these techniques. But the fact is they arent. n.n cuz even you do that..... still holly hard to perform. So be proud ;)
May I suggest that you add the following abbreviations to your cheating graphs? LT, LH, RT, RH (Left toe, left heel, Right toe, Right heel) Even with you explanation and the bracket graphs it is still not 100% clear for me how you step certain patterns. The demonstration videos are in full speed so you need to slow it down as a watcher to 0.25 speed to see what is happening. But if you add LT,LH etc to your graphs it is easier to see what you are supposed to look for in the demo videos and even without demo video you would know that you are supposed to do. Anyways it is still a good video but a complete novice person would not understand it in 1 watch. Hope you do something with my feedback. Cheers!
I am not yet through with the Video but still got some new Input, which I am very thankful for. As I have an injured back I should avoid the jumps (sometimes I cant hold back but afterwards my back hates me for it 😭) I already succeeded in sliding my feet in the right postition fast enough to activate the pads on time, but that does not work when it changes to fast (still happy that I can work some jumps without jumping 😅) When I watch my 14 year old daughter jump around, I envy her. I dont expect to get to her level, but I would be glad to be able to have more fun while enjoying the Songs without having to constantly watch out for my damn back (still, thankful that I actually CAN move well enough to play DDR/PIU 😊 health is important 🍀💖) Does maybe anyone know where I couöd find a list or something to see which songs there are avaliable on Pump it up DX? Searching for songs my daughter and I both know gets hard 😂
3:54 as a person who is like 4,5ft, my feet are too small, so It doesn't matter how much I try, I won't really do it right, I could only do it right ONCE (still proud of that tho)
Does anybody know the source for the clip at 3:54? The tech is so clean, I would like to see the full video of that pass. I know is Poseidon Shortcut S21, but can't find this specific video.
Wow amazing guide. Being a 10 keys mania player for about an year, I was looking for downscroll PIU players and then found out your channel. Really amazing guide. I was just wondering whether all PIU machines support downscroll or is it only the latest ones? Also, while playing PIU downscroll, I've noticed that using the DR mode flips the arrows 180 degrees making it impossible to recognize the notes, so how do you overcome this?
Thanks a lot. I believe down scroll was added somewhere around fiesta ex/2. And the way I overcome the arrow problem is I use a circular noteskin, so that it looks the same when flipped upside down
Reverse Scroll or DR (Drop) has been there since either NX2/NXA, I totally forget the code unfortunately. there should be an archive of this code somewhere on the internet. Fiesta series offers you easier access to it because you don't have to input complicated codes, though.
Reverse / DR player here. Been playing with DR since fiesta. Played GH and mania a lot before playing PIU so I can't get use to play upscroll at start. You might need to learn upscroll later on since DR will applies on both players (if you're playing with someone) and iirc tournaments don't allow DR (If you're planning on getting pro) To help recognize arrows with DR, make sure you remember all arrows position on the pad, this will be muscle memory the longer you play, so don't worry about it. To learn upscroll easier, set the scroll speed lower than what you usually use when using DR (Mine's currently AV 600 on normal, 640 on DR).
@@wibs0n68 as someone who tries hard playing upscroll back in Fiesta EX era back then i use 3x nowdays its between AV 555 or AV 650 depending the songs
La maña es maña. Curiosamente, se volvió una técnica, pero antes, los mejores jugadores detestaban no cruzar. Poco a poco se volvió la regla hacerlo, y no sé por qué casi nunca salieron torneos donde solo se permitiera jugar sin repetir step con un mismo pie. El problema? cuando eres zurdo te cuesta mucho cruzar. A mí me tomó años y hasta la fecha no entiendo casi ningún patrón complejo o diagonal invertido, simplemente no los veo, por ende prefiero mañear.
@@4199rg Well the one at my bowling alley is janky as hell (pads are not sensitive at all). But I still get the job done with extremely heavy exertion. I lost 40 pounds in a year and got 1 level 18 stage pass and a level 15 double chart stage pass.
@@Megamannerd4life you are crazy! i immidiately turn off or not playing Pump at all if the pad were that crappy even now im stuck in S14, so yeah you are awesomely crazy hittiing S18 with Crap'o Pad
@@Megamannerd4life Woah, if you gotta hit those panels really hard then I guess you won't be worrying about stamina once you get on good pads, correct me if I'm wrong ^^ I also have a situation with old pads. The FIESTA EX at my arcade (the only PIU in a 200km radius) still has alright sensors but the panels are sunken and I have to stomp hard to hit brackets, while bracket holds are straight up impossible without using hands. Despite this I was able to clear Xtree / Love Is A Danger Zone 2 Full Song S20, and was also able to clear Gargoyle / Cleaner / Chopsticks Challenge Full Song D20 (LIADZ2FS and CCFS were rerated on phoenix) And yeah... I'm aware those are the easier 20s
You’re absolutely right. The techniques that require you to hit multiple notes at the same time are less and less effective/accurate at lower speeds. I leave this to your own discretion, but I think that at around 150bpm and lower, it’s best to be using double stepping and rolling for the most part.
Style is good when style is wanted. The objective here is not style but efficiency. I find many of these techniques not "stylish" but "elegant". A totally different vibe.
One important thing no one mentioned here so far, is that some of those techniques, specially rolling, are severely limited by the quality and type of the pad. Here in Brazil you hardly find a good, well maintained pad, most of them are old, some of those that still have big screws over the pad, and many others that have failing sensors.
In those you get seriously limited, because you can't trust the edges will work with quicky and light hits.
They're a big handicap even when playing normally really.
Same in here
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I usually play at Madureira Mall (RJ), and I often find myself missing holds even if I'm holding as I should, probably because of the aforementioned failing sensors. The cab there is a 2011 Fiesta running Prime 2015 (sadly no Danza Kuduro cause it's probably not correctly set to Latin America) with a pretty shoddy pad
when I started playing 15 years ago, we were told to never cheat, we didn't use the bar, we needed to flow between patterns and stairs, twisting your body was usually the easier most efficient way to do these things. And a lot of these techniques are actually harder without the bar because you need to perform small an precise microjumps that are just so hard to do without it, and I was dumbfounded at the level players achieved in these past years, but now I see how they do it. This was very very very entertaining, thank you
Can’t wait to use this guide on my GF!!
LMAOOO
What did he mean by this ⁉️⁉️⁉️
is she a player of piu too? if not she wont appreciate this new learnings of yours
well someone's gonna sleep at the stair tonight...
I don't have decent stamina so I tend to do these tricks a LOT (even on places where I shouldn't, according to your insight). still, there's a lot of things I learned from this video that I didn't even know, so thanks a lot for bringing those up.
thanks YT for bringing this towards my home page. and thank you for making this guide. good job and keep up the good work!
Great video!!!
I just think the most used cheat to do is. M runs is not treating the (red yellow red) as one, but as two.
Making the stairs like : blue redyellow red blue.
That prevents you from jumping, that is the worst thing for preserving energy
i suppose for super fast steps you kinda have to utilize those techniques. However, dancing without the bar and hitting the patterns with actual dance like movements is very rewarding and super fun.
Ohh yeah without a doubt. Gotta impress everyone with those ACTUAL dance moves!!
@@gippygames Actually people really enjoy to see someone doing those "Dance moves"
Freestyling is awesome, shame hardly anyone does it these days.
excelent content! really useful to players approaching the expert levels, great work man
Super informative! 15 minute felt like only a few. Thanks 4199! :)
It’s not “cheating”, it’s called: not going to the hospital
I always knew cheating was the answer. Feel the heat as your feet cheat to the sweet beat. Neat.
Very educational, exactly what I was looking for
Very good explanation to cheat the patterns. they tend to be rather confusing but this guide was well made.
Suelta los steps oeee 🔪
I'm a newer player to Pump, currently 18y/o... and I've peaked at about S11 currently... this is gonna be so important because I'm so bad at crossovers, MRuns and twists I feel like my level would go up so much once I get some of these methods right
Good guide! Working to pass 23s now. I only try to cheat if I know the chart well enough, or if I'm just going for a pass. I just get so scared of missing one note trying to cheat and losing all of my flow haha
so much useful info here. thanks for this
Please make the steps irl, so i can really understand what you are explaining. Sometimes I don't know how a braket or hop is done.
This was an amazing guide to better understand what the fuck I’m looking at, I’ve been stuck at 15 limited from my stamina. Thanks a lot!!!
Nice Video. Congrats (y)
I'm pretty sure "cheating" IS intended as a way to hit these modern notes in these high-difficulty songs.
I played PIU from the Prex 3 to Xceed 2 days and only recently stumbled on to this vid after essentially forgetting about PIU for almost 20 years.
What in the blue hell is this!? I remember being able to play half-double/double charts period being considered "good" at the game, and there being only normal/hard/crazy skill levels, with a crazy board being today's equivalent of a s12 board, and an s12 board being something players should hit in a day after play.
This is a heart attack inducement machine now, good lord.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing either, it looks like fun!
It's just way, way, _way_ beyond my comprehension at this point. IIRC the world championships in the mid 00s had contestants playing a Crazy double chart for CRASH - 'Dignity', something that it seems enthusiast players today would use as a warmup. I'm very impressed how the scene evolved.
I feel like the PIU machines back then had a much more strict timing for Perfects, any delay in your execution would give you Greats or Goods. What I see nowadays is you hit the arrow at any time and you consistently get Perfects. Timing is much more forgiving now. Every video you see someone playing Dignity crazy, they are using the rolling or hoping technique to hit the arrows without ever turning their bodies sideways, and they get mostly Perfects. Dignity crazy went from insanely difficulty to a meme chart.
@@MynarskiWell that sucks. What's the point of insane looking charts if the input is so forgiving?
Seen this on reddit. Awesome guide man
Thanks a ton! You mind linking me to where it was posted?
@@4199rg www.reddit.com/r/PumpItUp/comments/kkm818/4199s_totally_legit_guide_to_cheating_patterns_in/?context=3 there you go!
I just discovered this video. I really appreciate all the effort you put on the explanation, thank you! The following question may sound silly but, do you have a recommended song/s to start with those tricks to help the "memory muscle"? I'm still just a S18/19 guy but I'm really interested to start learning those tricks.
Exams are coming thanks for the cheat tutorial 😁
Awesome video, man! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Pumptris Quattro S17 has a best way to cheat to get all perfect. Which is hold all of the panels until the song ends (this were patched after that)
I can't twist at all so double step instead- I didn't realise this was considered cheating lol
Well.... i think we pumpers say : cheating to these techniques. But the fact is they arent. n.n cuz even you do that..... still holly hard to perform. So be proud ;)
May I suggest that you add the following abbreviations to your cheating graphs? LT, LH, RT, RH (Left toe, left heel, Right toe, Right heel) Even with you explanation and the bracket graphs it is still not 100% clear for me how you step certain patterns. The demonstration videos are in full speed so you need to slow it down as a watcher to 0.25 speed to see what is happening. But if you add LT,LH etc to your graphs it is easier to see what you are supposed to look for in the demo videos and even without demo video you would know that you are supposed to do. Anyways it is still a good video but a complete novice person would not understand it in 1 watch. Hope you do something with my feedback. Cheers!
I am not yet through with the Video but still got some new Input, which I am very thankful for.
As I have an injured back I should avoid the jumps (sometimes I cant hold back but afterwards my back hates me for it 😭)
I already succeeded in sliding my feet in the right postition fast enough to activate the pads on time, but that does not work when it changes to fast (still happy that I can work some jumps without jumping 😅)
When I watch my 14 year old daughter jump around, I envy her. I dont expect to get to her level, but I would be glad to be able to have more fun while enjoying the Songs without having to constantly watch out for my damn back (still, thankful that I actually CAN move well enough to play DDR/PIU 😊 health is important 🍀💖)
Does maybe anyone know where I couöd find a list or something to see which songs there are avaliable on Pump it up DX?
Searching for songs my daughter and I both know gets hard 😂
i wonder how far can you go without these techs
Ansolutely PERFECT!!! WOWits a new record o.o
Saludos y gracias por mostrar parte de lo que es repetir pies en el juego, entre otras técnicas 😃
3:54 as a person who is like 4,5ft, my feet are too small, so It doesn't matter how much I try, I won't really do it right, I could only do it right ONCE (still proud of that tho)
Me even though I haven't tried doubles yet: ✍️✍️✍️
What pattern would you say is the hardest to execute?
Does anybody know the source for the clip at 3:54? The tech is so clean, I would like to see the full video of that pass. I know is Poseidon Shortcut S21, but can't find this specific video.
Wow amazing guide. Being a 10 keys mania player for about an year, I was looking for downscroll PIU players and then found out your channel. Really amazing guide. I was just wondering whether all PIU machines support downscroll or is it only the latest ones? Also, while playing PIU downscroll, I've noticed that using the DR mode flips the arrows 180 degrees making it impossible to recognize the notes, so how do you overcome this?
Thanks a lot. I believe down scroll was added somewhere around fiesta ex/2. And the way I overcome the arrow problem is I use a circular noteskin, so that it looks the same when flipped upside down
Reverse Scroll or DR (Drop) has been there since either NX2/NXA, I totally forget the code unfortunately. there should be an archive of this code somewhere on the internet. Fiesta series offers you easier access to it because you don't have to input complicated codes, though.
Reverse / DR player here. Been playing with DR since fiesta. Played GH and mania a lot before playing PIU so I can't get use to play upscroll at start. You might need to learn upscroll later on since DR will applies on both players (if you're playing with someone) and iirc tournaments don't allow DR (If you're planning on getting pro)
To help recognize arrows with DR, make sure you remember all arrows position on the pad, this will be muscle memory the longer you play, so don't worry about it.
To learn upscroll easier, set the scroll speed lower than what you usually use when using DR (Mine's currently AV 600 on normal, 640 on DR).
@@wibs0n68 as someone who tries hard playing upscroll back in Fiesta EX era back then i use 3x nowdays its between AV 555 or AV 650 depending the songs
remidned that rolling is near impossible on stock pads D:
Need to be in this video, i pass s23 with S only cheating hehe
Greetings from chile ^^
Thank you
I still dont get it, a video showing how to hop or cheat would be better i think.... i will try to study the video more
La maña es maña. Curiosamente, se volvió una técnica, pero antes, los mejores jugadores detestaban no cruzar. Poco a poco se volvió la regla hacerlo, y no sé por qué casi nunca salieron torneos donde solo se permitiera jugar sin repetir step con un mismo pie. El problema? cuando eres zurdo te cuesta mucho cruzar. A mí me tomó años y hasta la fecha no entiendo casi ningún patrón complejo o diagonal invertido, simplemente no los veo, por ende prefiero mañear.
Cheating during a friendly vs : 😴🤢🤮
Cheating during a tournament 🎉😚
Does all of this information go out the window if you're using an old dance pad from 2000?
Nope, you can still practice the same techniques on the old style pad. You just need the right modding
@@4199rg Well the one at my bowling alley is janky as hell (pads are not sensitive at all). But I still get the job done with extremely heavy exertion. I lost 40 pounds in a year and got 1 level 18 stage pass and a level 15 double chart stage pass.
@@Megamannerd4life you are crazy! i immidiately turn off or not playing Pump at all if the pad were that crappy
even now im stuck in S14, so yeah you are awesomely crazy hittiing S18 with Crap'o Pad
@@Megamannerd4life Woah, if you gotta hit those panels really hard then I guess you won't be worrying about stamina once you get on good pads, correct me if I'm wrong ^^
I also have a situation with old pads. The FIESTA EX at my arcade (the only PIU in a 200km radius) still has alright sensors but the panels are sunken and I have to stomp hard to hit brackets, while bracket holds are straight up impossible without using hands.
Despite this I was able to clear Xtree / Love Is A Danger Zone 2 Full Song S20, and was also able to clear Gargoyle / Cleaner / Chopsticks Challenge Full Song D20 (LIADZ2FS and CCFS were rerated on phoenix)
And yeah... I'm aware those are the easier 20s
How do you play down scroll?
manip gang
I would call it optimization. idk
A more serious question, at what speeds are which techniques appropriate? I would presume that bracketing won't work if the speed is too slow?
You’re absolutely right. The techniques that require you to hit multiple notes at the same time are less and less effective/accurate at lower speeds. I leave this to your own discretion, but I think that at around 150bpm and lower, it’s best to be using double stepping and rolling for the most part.
Amazing video!!! So do you know any player on levels above 20 that plays legit?? I think it's almost impossible to do, right?
The vast majority of players do this. Look up any video of fefemz playing a D24
what's the song at 0:41
Heart Rabbit Coaster, by NATO. Introduced on PIU XX.
Surprised you didn't put 1949 as the ultimate example for mashing.
maybe the sogs sitn relased at the time of recording
Thankss
damn it, thought you wre gonna teach me to cheat in another way you know,,..,.,.
At 100 likes I’ll make that video 👀
@@4199rg ok ty
@@fabsab4434 oops it’s time to pay up
@@4199rg leggo
5:42 😧
The fact im to young and my feet cant hit 5 at the same time😢
Kids, don't try this at home
i can never cheat
cheating is CHEATING
so cringe
zero style
Style is good when style is wanted. The objective here is not style but efficiency. I find many of these techniques not "stylish" but "elegant". A totally different vibe.
Omg this video is beautiful ❤️