actually it's not fair. because with full perfect substat. the difference between 43311 and 44111 should be smaller and smaller. why? because elemental dmg bonus stack additively with basic/skill/ult damage bonus, so the more of damage bonus substat, the less it adds to the total damage (diminishing return)
@@pudinkeviar4151 Actually, it is fair, cuz crit it's also a substat that stacks additively, so it also has diminishing. Most characters want this substats priority: er until reqs are meet, crit rate, crit dmg, atk% or whatever the character scales of, and the dmg bonus for the main sources of dmg. At the end of the day test methods aside 4/3/3/1/1 with dmg+dmg (at least until a broken dmg buffer apears) is the most optimal main stat distribution, there is no reason to use 44111 cuz echo farming in this game is fairly easy.
@@chunchunmaru3093 because 4 costs can be farmed infinitely and 1 costs are significantly easier to get than 3 costs(+you can recycle spare 4 costs), the "randomness" eventually disappears. You can always ensure perfect substats in this way. Note that nobody has ever argued that 44111 does more dmg than 43311. The whole reason 44111 is preferred by some is because of significantly lower time investment and ability to pretty much guarantee perfect substats(for reason explained above)
finally a comparison video with no substats, thank you for the information, especially the 2ATK vs 2DMG bonus difference, it really solving my question, thank you so much
Great showcase! So... yes, the math checks out. 44111 vs 43311 is about 10% difference (slightly less in some chara with less crit in their kits unlike Yinlin with ton of it already). Any other variation have minor difference, so that's why using atk%/ER or 44111 in Moonlit is ideal since you can swap the set around all sub DPS freely (unless they scale of Def like Taoqi) while go for 43311 for main DPS since getting echo EXP to reroll takes more time than getting elite echo anyway, worst case scenario use one atk% or ER.
@@putra1814Yeah cuz rn building a main dps with 43311 is very resource intensive. So using a fairly easy/general echo set to build helps atlest in the current state of the game.
maybe in a few years where they need to rebalance the game or add new resource to make veteran grind again. in PGR they add system where you can add memory effect (basically echo set effect) in weapon. So you can use 6 memory on a chara (just like how we have 5 echo slot in Wuwa) and they add 2 on weapon, it takes 2-4 memory to give set effect like healing give 15% atk buff etc. I can totally see them adding similar system to Wuwa in 2-3 years but not anytime soon
@@No_ex_ If you could do that, you could also hypothetically run a full 33333 energy regen on your support characters. 32% a piece, total +160% ER for 260% before weapons and substats
@@No_ex_ Depends but 13 cost just seems so well balanced that it felt intentional they didn't go with it for future updates but a total 15 cost seems broken unless they gave us harder and chunkier enemies if we have higher union level than our current cap and our Resonators can go lvl 120 like those Red aura bosses and a harder enemies from events and holograms
If you have a 44111 build don't waste it as a fodder keep them, because depending on the tower buff 44111 greatly overshadows 43311 like the first floor of the current middle tower that gives an abundant amount of bonus damage.
This is very informatives videos of how each number of sets shows a different DMG results. So far I'm only being doing 43311(DMG bonus) from the start, even tho the stats tuning are trash as always😂
This really helps to make better decisions when building. Especially at this point of the game where resources are tight and we have to settle with what RNG gives us. Wuwa and its free-farm for echoes is so god damn amazing.
Nice, good thing no substats as it can make a huge difference to be honest. I might actually just do 44111 for some damage supports like yangyang , as to avoid investing too much and min maxing, probably gotta go with ER sets and ER sword and her outro er makes up for some leftover ER needed
I use it as placeholder on my havoc rover cause I don't have to worry about subs and they are the only element I think I have 4 on set elemental dmg bonus (2 pieces) and don't already have a better build
Nice comparison, so the 43311 atk/elemental is not far from the elemental/elemental, gonna use atk first until i get that damn 3 cost electro bird with good substats.
This comparison is meaningless. You need to at least show the progress of the boss' HP bar after doing one rotation. Why only show the final single damage? Why people are saying this video is good? Are you ok?
The question is if YOU are okay, in case you forgot crit Stat exists and it ISNT 100% when you have 0 substat echoes. Critting in each shot is 100x better than doing an inconsistent showcase where the numbers differ minimally
This is very informative, and with 0 substats the numbers are as fair as it gets
actually it's not fair. because with full perfect substat. the difference between 43311 and 44111 should be smaller and smaller.
why? because elemental dmg bonus stack additively with basic/skill/ult damage bonus, so the more of damage bonus substat, the less it adds to the total damage (diminishing return)
@@pudinkeviar4151 substat tuning is random. how did you manage to find an identical substat?
@@chunchunmaru3093 he doesn't need to find one. You can do it mathematically, on a spreadsheet.
@@pudinkeviar4151 Actually, it is fair, cuz crit it's also a substat that stacks additively, so it also has diminishing. Most characters want this substats priority: er until reqs are meet, crit rate, crit dmg, atk% or whatever the character scales of, and the dmg bonus for the main sources of dmg. At the end of the day test methods aside 4/3/3/1/1 with dmg+dmg (at least until a broken dmg buffer apears) is the most optimal main stat distribution, there is no reason to use 44111 cuz echo farming in this game is fairly easy.
@@chunchunmaru3093 because 4 costs can be farmed infinitely and 1 costs are significantly easier to get than 3 costs(+you can recycle spare 4 costs), the "randomness" eventually disappears. You can always ensure perfect substats in this way.
Note that nobody has ever argued that 44111 does more dmg than 43311. The whole reason 44111 is preferred by some is because of significantly lower time investment and ability to pretty much guarantee perfect substats(for reason explained above)
where's 11111??? XD, great video very informative, atm I'm using atk set with dmg bonus
finally a comparison video with no substats, thank you for the information, especially the 2ATK vs 2DMG bonus difference, it really solving my question, thank you so much
Where is 3333 all dmg bonus, 2 void & 2 lingering tune
It's just subpar. Crit is way more important, also diminishing returns will make it so that each 3 cost adds less and less to ur dps
3 cost is like the hardest one to farm, who the hell is out of their mind wanna try 3333 😅
@@galuhDn lol true, that's why people use 44111 because of that exact same reason. 4 cost are just way easier to farm then elemental damage bunos
Great showcase! So... yes, the math checks out.
44111 vs 43311 is about 10% difference (slightly less in some chara with less crit in their kits unlike Yinlin with ton of it already). Any other variation have minor difference, so that's why using atk%/ER or 44111 in Moonlit is ideal since you can swap the set around all sub DPS freely (unless they scale of Def like Taoqi) while go for 43311 for main DPS since getting echo EXP to reroll takes more time than getting elite echo anyway, worst case scenario use one atk% or ER.
For sub dps its good using 44111 ?
@@putra1814Yeah cuz rn building a main dps with 43311 is very resource intensive. So using a fairly easy/general echo set to build helps atlest in the current state of the game.
wish i saw this before making moonlit sets with 43311 x-x
what is ER?
@@berrygeprek Energy Regen
This is by far the best explanation without the need for explanation.
the difference is just insignificant ... all this drama and math and fights.. for nothing
im confused.. when u say dmg bonus, its the element such as havoc, electro, etc. right?
44311 is my dream cost build, they just need to add 1 more cost
My dream ideal build is 44331 though I wonder if they'll increase cost of future data bank level 😂
maybe in a few years where they need to rebalance the game or add new resource to make veteran grind again. in PGR they add system where you can add memory effect (basically echo set effect) in weapon. So you can use 6 memory on a chara (just like how we have 5 echo slot in Wuwa) and they add 2 on weapon, it takes 2-4 memory to give set effect like healing give 15% atk buff etc. I can totally see them adding similar system to Wuwa in 2-3 years but not anytime soon
@@No_ex_ If you could do that, you could also hypothetically run a full 33333 energy regen on your support characters. 32% a piece, total +160% ER for 260% before weapons and substats
They will obviously add more cost but by that time we have new red echo like class above calamity
@@No_ex_ Depends but 13 cost just seems so well balanced that it felt intentional they didn't go with it for future updates but a total 15 cost seems broken unless they gave us harder and chunkier enemies if we have higher union level than our current cap and our Resonators can go lvl 120 like those Red aura bosses and a harder enemies from events and holograms
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Keep it coming, bro.
this is awesome thank you!
Dmg bonus count after all calc, greater value than critdmg, apply for non critical dmg. That's why u need dmg bonus.
You’re missing 3333
If you have a 44111 build don't waste it as a fodder keep them, because depending on the tower buff 44111 greatly overshadows 43311 like the first floor of the current middle tower that gives an abundant amount of bonus damage.
This is very informatives videos of how each number of sets shows a different DMG results. So far I'm only being doing 43311(DMG bonus) from the start, even tho the stats tuning are trash as always😂
Where is 33311?
how about 3333 with full atk and full dmg bonus :v🤔
What about 3333
5 ATK% goooo brrr😅
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This really helps to make better decisions when building. Especially at this point of the game where resources are tight and we have to settle with what RNG gives us. Wuwa and its free-farm for echoes is so god damn amazing.
Nice, good thing no substats as it can make a huge difference to be honest. I might actually just do 44111 for some damage supports like yangyang , as to avoid investing too much and min maxing, probably gotta go with ER sets and ER sword and her outro er makes up for some leftover ER needed
Do you have jiyan? Can you do him if u have? My jiyan echo luck so bad, but resources are limited for me to try up 3 cost atk eco
I still use 444 to all 😂.
thanks for sharing this! very informative! the 0 substats are fair!
Where my 3333 representation?!
I need 3333 too xD
where my 3333
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444? that's interesting ngl
no 3333???
Where is 4431? for 2 piece
no 3333 pure element?
was 4431 is possible since its 2 piece 2 piece set
same here, was wondering this set could works well enuf...
you lose 1 echo
3333 🗿
Instant sub from me
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😂 where's the comment saying 44111 is better stop being lazy and farm
44111 is better 😏
44111 better because easier to get
33311? Havoc
losing 1 capacity
@@Voltwall It's almost 75% elemental damage on echoes alone or more.
3333 gang wya
I use it as placeholder on my havoc rover cause I don't have to worry about subs and they are the only element I think I have 4 on set elemental dmg bonus (2 pieces) and don't already have a better build
Where is 4431?
echos costs .. cost 4+ cost 4+ cost 3+ cost 1 = 12 points
Nice comparison, so the 43311 atk/elemental is not far from the elemental/elemental, gonna use atk first until i get that damn 3 cost electro bird with good substats.
This comparison is meaningless. You need to at least show the progress of the boss' HP bar after doing one rotation. Why only show the final single damage? Why people are saying this video is good? Are you ok?
43311 still the best. what are you asking for?
The progress bar doesnt rly matter though? Its the final dmg that matters on a crit since thats the most reliable indicator
The question is if YOU are okay, in case you forgot crit Stat exists and it ISNT 100% when you have 0 substat echoes. Critting in each shot is 100x better than doing an inconsistent showcase where the numbers differ minimally