Is Christianity in crisis? With Andrew Doyle and Dan Hitchens | SpectatorTV
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- Опубликовано: 7 апр 2023
- Dan Hitchens and Andrew Doyle discuss the contentious divisions inside the Church of England. Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby and Pope Francis were once praised as promising figures that could 'round the sharp edges to the circle' over issues such same-sex marriage. What has gone wrong?
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Welby does not lead the Church of Englsnd . He leads the Church of Anywhere but England .
I thought it was a property management business.
What does one expect when its priests do not have to be actual Christian’s! If people want different rules they should form another club
Anglicans outside England detest him, and he is not that popular at home. He is a mere Apparatchik. At least Rowan Williams had the good grace to retire when he realised the job was beyond him - no such hope with Welby.
@@saltburner2 he is a wealthy individual but espouses all the nonsense and lies of left wing rubbish .
He's a unholy lunatic . He needs to before he destroys it
Othodox Christianity gives Christianity hope.
Saint Petersburg Botnik
Christ gives Christianity hope.
Great to see the next generation of the Hitchens family
But cannot hold a candle to the late Christopher hitchens.
@@HaggardPillockHDgive him a chance to hold the flame first
Disappointed to hear that Welby hasn't gone!
I was walking down the High street the other day and happened to run into the Archbishop of Canterbury. We got to talking about religion (as one does)
I mentioned Jesus, and he couldn't place the name!😂
Wow. Same as US Evangelicals. They have replaced wimpy pacifist Jesus with his leather sandals and long hair and free health-care policy and lack of an AR-15. Now they worship a real kick-ass narcissist as a messiah of their own liking. Soon they will have constructed an entirely new religion out of it. They sure are working hard on it. Right now they barely mention Jesus. Soon they won't mention him at all.
No, This didn't happen.
@@billybobobenner No shit, Sherlock. It was a joke. (Like you, apparently.)
@bartley butsford I'm not surprised to read this. Thanks.
Well I think doing a full 180 on a load of beliefs that have been core to Christianity for over 2000 years was going to be a tough sell
Christianity in the cold light of day comes up wanting. Who could have guessed?
@@dakrontu - love thy neighbour as ye love thyself. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
There’s nothing wanting about these words.
@@dakrontu There's never been a better time to liquidate all holdings/real estate & disburse it all to the poor & needy!
Well? Snap to it! Jesus compels you!
King Charles is no longer "Defender Of the Faith" he isn't willing to defend anything!
He has converted to defender of all faiths.
He is a comical figure…like Welby. Neither are any closer to my God than I am to flying around Uranus.
He is defender of the WEF
Grant except the New World Order ?
Andrew Doyle…the hero our crazy times requires!
I wonder why Andrew cares? He's clearly not a Christian man.
He presented the idea that progressivism - the movement that gave us eugenics and has as its root Plato's "Republic," with its philosopher kings and children being reared by the state instead of their parents - and totalitarianism are antithetical to one another. I usually agree with what he has to say, but he completely missed the mark in this video.
Andrew Doyle, the 'free speech nation' host that has blocked half of Twitter.
Easier/quicker to ask 'what went right', surely.
To me, the most obvious error was the INSTANT closure of Parish Churches when the Pandemic began.
Even when the Plague of 1665 hit, they remained open to succour and comfort the distressed.
Welby, however ''knew better' and [as so often] failed to trust the judgement of 'his flock', as to how best they kept a balance between physical safety, and spiritual health.
l personally know MANY previously regular attendees [including my parents] who failed to see the point of going back on a Sunday, once the lack of pastoral commitment was made CRYSTAL clear
That he was 'mostly on sabbatical' - 'doing HIS own stuff', yet postponed retirement so he can co-star in the Coronation speaks volumes as to why he sought the role...
Can't be rid of this detestable/woke 'barely Christian' placeman SOON ENOUGH
I agree with all of that 🤝
Yes, in full agreement.
Jesus was woke
@@John-kb7pv Doubt it. He had a track record of calling out liars and tyrants.
@@John-kb7pv No he wasn't ! 'render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's' is very far from 'woke'..
Welby in my opinion isn't a Christian.
He was a CEO of a big oiled Company before he took the cloth tells you everything we need to know ?
Christianity is faith in Christ alone, through grace alone, for the glory of God alone. Don’t try and introduce anything or anyone else. Read the Bible and don’t pervert it or try and adapt it to our sinful thoughts.
your still as sin full but don't see it in your way's. but many who use the very brain creater gave.
Church of the WEF..
Yep! He cannot be a man of god if he follows and worships at the altar of these evil globalists.
23 =W
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6 = F
Welby has destroyed the COE for me. Calvin Robinson in the Free Church of England represents the Christianity I recognise & practice.
Welby is the latest in a line of disasters. Calvin Robinson brings some clarity of thought to "faith", and as such is deserving of respect.
No, Calvin is a Conservative Evangelical - the true face of the CofE is (or was) the so-called 'Prayer-Book Catholic'.
@@saltburner2 Now, that is going deep.
H Carling ! This fraudster was CEO of a massive oil Company previous to his taking the cloth ? What's that tell ya ?
Forgot to Say . Regrettably I’ve Got No Time for Justin Welby AT ALL.
Don't harbour regret about him. Welby is a twit.
I’m 35, I have a young daughter. With all the madness going on in the past few years I’ve been looking for a refuge in which I can raise my daughter without all of the smut and ignorance of the current work culture. I was Christened but never went to church regularly, I hoped I could turn to the C of E but all I see is the same infection I see in the mainstream. I don’t want to look to Catholicism for moral grounding given their mass cover up of child abuse but where can I turn for traditional values. In my view the church needs to return to its roots, if they do they’ll have us in a pew.
Stand on your own feet. Don't get suckered into the make-believe of religions. Surely Catholicism as an example of religion is all you need as proof to not go there. The others are just as full of BS. Some have covered it up better than others. Teach your daughter to assess them for what they are, and spare her a world of grief.
Forget religion get yourselves a hobby or two and connect with people that way. I’ve started art classes and I sing in a band. More than enough connection.
Humans when evolved have their service with in themselves.
I would remind you that the Catholic Church is the only institution with an independent safeguarding authority. There are 400,000 priests globally of which 1.2% have had allegations made against them. This compares to a figure of 3.2% across the broader adult population. The vast majority of the allegations, against priests, were pederasty not paedophilia. Therein the issue for the Catholic Church was homosexual priests. In hoc signo vinces ✝️.
@Liam McCann it’s the same thing it’s just playing with little boys instead of girls, they are peadophiles. Look at the Boston case alone boys and girls involved. Sex with a child is always Peadophilia.
I love Andrew Doyle. If you've not read The New Puritans, it is WELL worth picking up. Not just informative, but readable and, in places, fall down funny!
Just put it on my kindle.
Only $0.99 too!
Great read.
Isn’t he literally gay
I must get Doyle's book.
It’s great.
When the Roman Catholic Church was nationalised in England by Henry VIII in 1534, part of its remit was not to preach any messages that would undermine the authority of the King. That tradition has continued.
what Roman Catolic Church says about whats appened in ''free'' western countries , exept Papa 's support lgbtqwxzpyg !? and their ''human rights''
I was baptised and confirmed into the C of E but now feel closer to the RC doctrine. It's so sad but I feel the C of E is slowly moving away from the teachings in the Bible.
I feel the same. Sad isn’t it
Ah, the magic sprinkling of water. Grow up and set childish things aside.
@@dakrontu - Jesus was a grown man and taught on adult issues. He was also masculine in nature, having served many years as a mason - the correct term for his trade.
Don't conflate the grass roots of Anglicanism with the King and the Archbishop. They are worlds apart from ordinary folk.
Worshipers from all Christian faiths ought to be able to worship together in any case.
@@dakrontu you sounds like someone in need of attention with you remarks. Look at me being obstinate and ridicule others.
I reiterate. Christians must stand against Evil, not embrace it.
God has not problems only plans. There is NEVER a panic in heaven!
Great Easter day offering: hope for the Church and for society! Thank you.
Does Welby believe in...you know, Jesus?
That’s optional these days.
Definitely not.
Jackson, Charles , Welby and The Pope are all in the NWO Club ! The billionaires Boys Club ? To these three Jesus is Alien !
Once again it comes down the the fact that there is NO ONE who has ANY COURAGE! England, Wtf!
The Church has always been an integral part of geopolitical strategy
One world religion of Reverlations.
The root problem: the CofE is embedded in secular university institutions, making it more an academic discipline than a religion. The main mistake: dumbing down to popularise, instead of retaining noble tradition.
Interesting topic & guests - Thanks
"We champion the authority of God. His authority and Commandments should be recognized, deferred to, and respected....I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition and I hold the belief of the Fathers in the charism of Truth...not that dogma may be tailored according to what seems...suited to the culture of each age...." But that: "The absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed to be different and may never be understood in any other way."
My love to all as I await, in vigil, the rising of our Lord Jesus Christ. Happy Easter!
Amen
Poor old Thomas Cranmer he is spinning in Hell because of what Welby is doing.
Welty has been absolute disaster for Christianity in the U.K.
this interview was extremely short yet great to hear all of you
I am saving this one. It gives ME hope. Maybe I can share it.
Unsurprising in terms of the decline of the church. I was bored out of it, many simply die or are sexually assaulted out of it. Locally successful churches are normally based around charismatic clerics. There is a model for success, largely ignored generally.
Extraordinary that society is yet again going through an orthodox/conservative vs progressive confrontation in Christianity. All is cogently explained and conjectured upon by the trio of speakers in the video who each has a measured approach based on an understanding of history and church doctrine. Listening to the discussion has decided me that I shall now renew my subscription to the Spectator ... if any of the speakers read this I hope it will give encouragement.
The Anglican Church in Uganda is not happy
Well covered.
Great discussion
The Church of England needs to return to its conservative roots. No one wants a church that follows the whims of the day. The entire point is that you can rely on God - an unchanging constant. God can support you throughout your entire life. Everything around you might change dramatically over the course of your life, but God remains the same. People cannot do without this. The more the CofE tries to entertain modern sensibilities, the more damage it will do to itself.
When a church does not stick to the Bible, it loses it's authority.
What seems to sum up the CofE is a clip from Yes Prime Minister that tears it apart; ruclips.net/video/qUSTKisEgTo/видео.html
Welby has a problem in England as that there is now a Free Church of England which is gaining congregations year on year.
Many years ago become I became an Episcopalian, I asked some (Episcopal) friends what exactly I would need to believe. One friend said that for the bare minimum, I should study the creed. Of course, this was back in the late 70s, when the church was becoming very liberal.
Interesting having Andrew Doyle on.
I have lost all respect for Welby. Ditto for the Church in Uganda. Both tolerate hate. Uganda, including the Church, Hate gays. Welby tolerates the SJW who hate all who disagree with them. But Pope Francis I love and admire. I don't understand why he wants to ban the wonderful Latin mass, but I feel his reasoning won't come from a place of hate. He seems to me to be a humble loving man.
I was expecting a discussion about Christians bring a minority for the first time, according to the latest census rather than a commentary about how various factions perceive a fairy tale.
My sentiments exactly!
What I, as a continental European, don't understand is why the church of England has done in such that islamic sharia courts were allowed to be installed in Britain!?
Because the creed of the Church of England is not Christianity but Progressivism.
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Interesting, but unfortunately there's nothing progressive about islam when you count the number of dead bodies it leaves behind..
The trouble with leftists, ecologists and liberals is that they think muslims have the same logic and goals.. That is so not true, it's time people start to open their eyes and see islam for what it really is: a conquest religion based on hate, violence and inequality..
Nothing wrong with religion, I'm catholic myself, but religion must be kept indoors, seperate from politics, law and general social life. Europe has had it's share of sectarian violence between Catholics and Protestants a few 100 years ago but no one seems to realize that sectarian violence amongst muslims is natural for them (syria, iraq, iran, turkey, etc..).
Why would anyone with common sense want a repeating of history!?
The sharia courts only applied to voluntary islamic citizens. Why would the CoE interfere in law which is determined by parliament? Why would the CoE interfere in muslim affairs?
@@leonais1
I don't know who exactly it was but a bishop of the church of England was in favor of sharia courts..
His influence played a leading role in the affair.
As a Christian myself, I am 100 % for the seperation between religion and state.
Europe has experienced enough religious wars in the past, all because of mixing religion and state affairs!
And islam as it is now has no place in the Western world. We are beyond the stage of cutting people's heads off and murdering childeren like jihadis do in sub-saharan Africa..
@@leonais1 Because this particular Muslim affair is the colonisation of England. But Muslims need not worry about the CofE - it is wholly compliant.
The scriptures are absolutely crystal clear that marriage is between a man and a woman, and the Pope, the C of E and any other church leaders are completely aware of this. I'm not sure how Christian the Catholic Church, or the C of E are anyway. I'm sure that I'm not alone in thinking this, or am I being a bit pedantic?
I really enjoyed this interesting conversation! Thank you gentlemen.
A circle with jagged points on it is the essence of a powersaw.
Super discussion. Nice Men respectful and intelligent. Unfortunately, everything I have seen recently (50) years for Anglican church and now the Catholic Church points at division and more division and more division. Uri Besminov warned us.
Sometimes division is more important than fudge.
No mention of Christ the Redeemer? Pointless
Those speaking in this video seem to believe that Christianity in the UK is a binary choice between Anglican and Catholic Churches
They also see the only choices as Liberal/progressive or Conservative/traditional
They also seem oblivious to the growth in radical Bible believing Evangelical/Charismatic churches often among the African, West Indian, Middle Eastern or Far Eastern communities of Britain
That is where the growth is
Everything else pretty much is just counting the decline in numbers of nominal church attendance
Here in Victoria B. C. CHINADASTAN the local Library was closed Friday 7 - open Sat. Sun. 8 9 - closed Mon. 10. Being Non Religious, I still feel an OBVIOUS DISREGARD- DISRESPECT Towards the Country that EVERY ETHNICITY FLOCKS TO that was built with a strong Christian Value as a Spiritual Moral Compass ! 🧐
This is a superb discussion
And this is why I'm Orthodox!
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I was uplifted when your title implied Welby’s reign had ended? He should have gone a long time ago he has neglected religion in this country. How dare he close churches during Covid when people were at their lowest ebb. Big mistake 👎🏻
Welby simply doesn’t believe in the bible.
I appreciate most people don’t take a literal belief in it either, but you can’t just pick and choose which bits you agree with and claim it’s the actual and never changing last word of god.
Either we accept the bible simply expressed the values and laws of an earlier time and needs to constantly adapt - ie it’s a man made thing or we accept it’s the word of god and immutable. Which means homosexuality is wrong.
The problem is pretending it’s the last and only word of god and going against its rules.
Christianity is splitting yet again. Old Christians with their old bible and a new woke version in which the individual is all important and freedom to live as we want.
A big problem for the Catholic Church, is that a lot of its members, and those outside it too, tend to think of the Pope as *the* church, so whatever he says - or implies, or fails to say - is "policy". This is even more the case in the modern world, because of the ease with which mass media can focus on one man. Local bishops in fact are *not* branch managers for the Holy See. The Pope is not even an archbishop, and he cannot reverse any infallible church teachings, such as on marriage. Nor can he make any arbitrary new 'ex cathedra' pronouncements. Local bishops, grow a spine and actually teach the Catholic faith, come down to us from the Apostles!
This discussion just reminds us why so many people and especially young people are leaving religion and belief altogether. You can say young people are conservative Christians, but the numbers point in the opposite conclusion.
So who will cast a stone first now?
This discussion should be about the people and what they think and believe. It's as if the pope or other religious leaders can change this.
What Faith is our king ? In the coronation is he going to acknowledge he is head of the faith ( Christian ) or of a faiths (Muslim ) or all faiths ?
Because it has been about WELBY,not the religion
Don’t you Anglicans know about 50% of your ministers are gay? Maybe the question to ask yourselves is, while we figure out whether God is anti-gay or not, how do we treat each other? There was a time when the early church had to figure out that it was ok for gentiles NOT to be circumcised.
Good point. The letters of the New Testament are regularly distinguishing true belief from false. The apostles had to do the same.
confusion here with 'Papal infallibility', almost NOTHING Popes say is infallible. only when they preach ex cathedra on dogmatic or moral issues. the last time was in the 1950s when Pope Pius XII defined the dogma of the Assumption of the Most Blessed Virgin
A religion of social justice? This has always been an important part of Christian religion. When Christianity stays loyal to its roots then the social justice issues will always be important for Christianity. Anything else is not Christianity. However, what is social justice must be understood correctly and debated without fear to avoid ideological one way streets. Plus, Marxist manifesto predicted these fancy ideologies like gender, etc., as the eventual outcome of Capitalist society. So, this is not leftist take over although it looks like it, it is the extreme levels of decadence brought about by the neoliberal consumerist mentality.
The problem with ALL of the churches is that so many of their members tend to worship our 'scriptures'; rather than the God they help to reveal. Their stance is that of the devout Muslim toward his scriptures (on the basis of such as Koran: The House of Imran: vv 5 ff), rather than that of the twenty-first century believer in the God of Israel, who was embodied in the tyoung male Jew, Jesus of Nazareth, who taught, was crucified, and rose from the dead. If our scriptures are viewed as "just ancient texts", like any other (except that their topic is God's Covenant with Israel), then we are free to use contemporary texts, which seek to inform us about, and on, the scriptures: but - more importantly - about how our scriptures help to teach about GOD. The activity of God did not stop at around 250 AD (roughly when the New Testament content was determined); so that he is able to reveal "nothing new" (a charge often levelled by 'scriptural literalists'). God is active today. Thank God! Andrew's explanation at 16:00 encapsulates the problem perfectly. Unfortunately the Church Universal is destined to retreat into a 'scriptural literalist' belief-system which is so much on a par with Islam: that history is bound to repeat itself, when the two meet.
I noticed some time ago that Welby was embracing the new negation of reality and immediately lost all respect for him and, unfortunately, also for the CofE. One of my best friends is in a gay partnership. He refuses to get married at all as he acknowledges that he is an aberration. He is not ashamed of himself but he believes he is not the norm. Unfortunately , he also believes that God does not love him so is an atheist. I am gradually persuading him that God loves everyone as God is synonymous with Love. But we live in Africa, so there is always a worry about being gay. That should not be the case, and the Ugandan Church is a disturbing one as it Hates gays as does the law. The church should not hate anyone in my opinion. Gayness is something you are born with. It is not a choice anyone wants! But Welby has gone too far. When he used a rainbow as an altar cloth, I was finished with him. Next, I wouldn't be surprised if he supported abortion!
What a contradictory post. God loves gays, he creates but doesn’t want to associate with them or bless their love.
'...he acknowledges that he is an aberration. He is not ashamed of himself...'
WTF?
God loves equally ALL who believe in him. Any church leader that asserts otherwise isn't preaching God's message. 🕊from☘🇮🇪.
Love the sinner but hate the sin.
@@maryainscough6353 there’s research showing how autism is linked to gender questioning and I’m guessing homosexuality too, especially in females I think. Framing this as sin is the whole issue with religion, as is calling it a moral disorder. If people have a body that’s gender ambiguous, the whole norms and rules about conforming to gender norms and complementary in heterosexual relationships just go it of the window. Framing this as evil, or a moral choice when the sexual orientation or gender questioning purely “often”arises from a body that’s just atypical and ambiguous as well as having different brains (autism) is like calling people who are anti social because of their autistic brains “cold, unfeeling and inhospitable” because it doesn’t conform to Christian ideals around fellowship and shared blessed humanity.
I am surprised to hear that the idea of women bishops and same sex marriage are put in the same bag as social justice (men can be women, kids can change their gender, everything's racist all the time). Those topics predates social justice by decades.
It all has the same Marxist roots and tactics
Having been raised a devout Catholic (at least one of my parents still goes to church without fail, going on almost 80 years old), I see no reason to return. I've never been against Christianity or indeed Catholicism. On the contrary, I would much rather this country be a Christian one than a secular or Muslim one. But they've lost their nerve, albeit not as much as the shameful and embarrassment that is Church of England. I get the sense that my very socially conservative views are not only not particularly welcome amongst the congregation (a number of whom I know locally to be socialist politically) but hostile, ironic in an institution that is supposed to defend traditional values.
The Apostle Paul pronounced a curse on most churches today because the main Christian denominations of today preach a different gospel than what Paul preached. To quote exactly what Paul said, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8). Both apostle Paul and Peter preached the same gospel and quote from the prophet Joel (2:32) saying, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be saved." (Romans 10:13 and Acts 2:21). The English translations say “Lord” instead of “Yahweh.” But “Lord” does not translate “Yahweh” it is a substitution of a totally different word altogether. This substitution activates two additional curses because if you substitute a word you are both adding and subtracting at the same time. “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:18, 19)
We are commanded by Messiah that, “...repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:47). In other words, we are supposed to preach the gospel that came out of Jerusalem and not preach the gospel that came out of Antioch, or Rome, or England, or New York, or Chicago, etc. By the time the gospel got to Antioch it had already been perverted as we read, “...And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” (Acts 11:26). The problem with this is that YHWH spoke of a people called by His name (Deuteronomy 28:10; 2 Chronicles 7:14; Isaiah 43:6, 7; Daniel 9:19; Amos 9:12; Acts 15:17). YHWH did not choose the name “Christian” for Himself. The people of Antioch chose that name and all the so called main denominations of today embrace that name “Christian” for themselves. When Peter and Paul preached the gospel they quote the prophet Joel, “Whosoever shall call on the name of YHWH shall be saved.” (Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21; Rom. 10:13). The English word "Lord" is not a translation for the name YHWH but is a substitution. I ask you, how many of the church fathers and so called main denominations of today preach that gospel? None of them. Absolutely none!
“Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when He comes shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.”
Some people say that they are watching all the time but they overlook verse 38. “And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.” (Luke 12:37-38).
Under normal circumstances people are sound asleep during the second and third watch. Therefore Luke 12 is not talking about watching in a figurative way. The LORD is talking of a literal watch.
There are appointed times in the scriptures for us to fulfill a literal watch. In fact, all of the appointed times of holy convocations (moedim) listed in Leviticus 23 are watches and vigils of Yahweh. Each one of them are fulfilled by both an Old Testament and corresponding New Testament historical event.
In other words they will be assembled together in a holy convocation and not out and about driving cars and flying airplanes. Like the 120 were assembled in the upper room Acts chapter 2 for the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost).
Unfortunately, because of a man-made ecclesiastical calendar many will not be watching at the appointed time when He comes.
do archbishops of Canterbury have reigns ? perhaps incumbency?
7:10 It's a tragedy that over 1/3 of the way in, we still haven't heard a peep from Andrew.
Christianity the religion is dying but there will still be many people who live life with love, kindness, compassion, repentance and forgiveness as Christ taught and commanded. Much love.
Its quite simple really, you either believe in your god and assossiated holy book of laws and guidlines, or you dont, if you believe you are a christian, if you dont you are not, if you want gay marriage and female priests, despite your god and holy book specifically saying no, you are not a christian, it means you either think you know better than your god, dont believe your god exists but quite like aspects of christian lifestyle but want to change bits you dont like.
Not every Christian church believes in the infallibility of the Bible.
@@bernie4268 - I understand that. The question then needs to be asked: which bits do we believe, and which shall we ignore?
We’re a Protestant country though, why is it so important to have a Catholic Church system? Also, aren’t most people in Great Britain non religious now anyways?
I find it amazing that in this day and age,anyone believes in any religious mumbo jumbo
What did Jesus say about those that do works in his name.
Excellent Conversation !!!!!
The first CofE Same Sex blessing took place in Thaxted church in the 1970's conducted by Rev Peter Ellers, I went to school with his son and lived opposite the Church.
Out of interest Thaxted is the second title of "To thee my country" written by Gustav Holst just down Stony Lane from the Church.
That blessing will not be recognised in any church. And not in law either. There were a rash of illegal blessings in the 90s. Emerald featured one. Again, not recognised and any vicar found to be carrying them out was chucked out.
@@catherinehume9193Peter Ellers was promoted to Cannon of Chelmsford Cathedral.
I don't think I've ever met a vicar that i would say actually believes in Christian teachings, which is why i don't go to church but i do consider myself a Christian and have a strong faith. I think the numbers going to church are falling because the CoE is promoting everything except Christianity.
How many people in the UK go to church regularly? A few percent?
That’s not the point.
@collier8931 it's the overriding point. The church has nothing to say about the big issues like climate change but gets bogged down in arcane arguments that 99% of the population doesn't care about.
@@nickdoughty518 Climate change has nothing to do with Christianity
Well I read one statistic - compiled some years ago - that more people attend a church service during a week than attend football matches.
Christianity has been in crisis since Jesus took on the establishment. He taught compassion and love, but the establishment didn't want that, they preferred conflict and control over the people. Strange how that's never changed. Christianity will survive it's the unbelievers that die. Rome died. This is Easter, a special time for us all. He gave his all, we sure can give him our all
Doyle on top form here
Papal infallibility just means the papacy wont fail and wont fall it doesn't mean the pope is always right.
The Jesus story is about the frailty of human nature and selfish conformism. Welby is an example (but not to us). Get some real priests. I was in a church in Surrey a few days ago the vicar reminded people that the church for centuries was the village hall. Why are they now separate?
If you travel around the American continent, Africa, Asia, a lot of Eurasia, Christianity is a mighty, and ever rising, power. Only here do we see what liberalism can really do to a country.
Neither God nor the Devil care about intellectual spasticity on the level Welby displays.
Papal infallibility formally only refers to dogmas. Popes can contradict their predecessors otherwise.
Welby is trying to do a deal with the Churches in Africa. He offers support for 'racial justice' if they will bend on homosexuality and women bishops.
Why is there not a split in the Anglican Church between the liberals and conservatives ? Money and power as always. Not just the wealth of the Church of England which would have to be divided but the seats in the House of Lords for 21 Bishops which would probably be threatened. Then there are other questions such as who will anoint Charles III.
Dan Hitchens definitely has his dad's eyebrows. 🤨😅
Once the revelation 3-9ers became worshipped and began to write all books for education only a matter of time until "christians" wake up to the fact they are them.
Nowhere near as much as the rest of the world will be in crisis when the Messiah returns to judge the nations?!
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Alhamdu Lillah for Islam 🤲
This is why after a lifetime of being exposed to Christianity I cannot be a believer. God is love? Such a hippy sentiment.
Oooh the Gendered Soul, I am still trying to find out when that starts, Birth or Conception.
“That’s Rowan Williams with his wretched horde,
The day when England died was on his watch
He led the people so far from the Lord.
Can you believe the words: ‘I renounce Satan’
Were excised from the service of baptism?
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“But Satan did not think to renounce them.
So much so that the cleric in the flesh
Was not himself: the devil lived through him.
Like Tudor kings they claimed that they were Welsh
But could not help abuse, and wrecked their home
So the appearances they gave were false.
They preached that to be a true Christian
Was just to ask: ‘So, what would Christ have done?’
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“That creed throws darkness over everything.
The truth is, of Christ’s actions one alone
Has any application: look within,
With stillness and the desert be at one.
But there’s no time, the undead are coming.”
Ian Banks , We're you aware that Welby was a CEO at a big oil Company before he took to the frock and pulpit ? So they say ?
Progressive movements have always been authoritarian. And extremely conservative denominations have never been immune from liberals taking them over. The Salem Puritans belonged to the Congregationist denomination which on little over 100 years had gone full Unitarian. The Southern Baptists are the result of split after split.
I think it’s gone way beyond a crisis, corporate church of any breed is now irrelevant. With all the talk fests I haven’t heard much about Jesus. Jesus urged us to ‘Stay in the vine, without me you can do nothing’.
Only those close to Jesus, those who are led by Him day by day will be in place to usher the seekers into His kingdom.
I should hope so...this is the 21st century, not the first.
I had it with the CofE last year and recently became a Catholic
The Pope blessed the LGBTQIA+Pedos too