I relate EV purchases to real estate where Location, location, location are the three most important factors. With an EV it’s range, range, range. My Kia E Niro does about 200-240, not enough I want 300-340 for my next vehicle. I think this range would help greatly with reducing range anxiety on future EV buyers. I appreciate your hard work, most likely a Kia like yours is in my future.
But wouldn't location factor in on range needed? Sorry I couldn't resist. The Niro EV had enough range for me , then the EV6 came out , really not much more range but more tech and the fast charging is nice to have, but not significant for my use (faster AC charging more useful)., Very nice 🚗
Wondering about the linear depletion assumption here. I have heard that the batteries do not deplete linearly. Would be interesting to see these tests starting at 30% instead of 100% to see if you get the same values.
No EV has a linear depletion rate due to the voltage drop in each cell that occurs from 100 percent to 0 percent SOC. I think the voltage range for each cell in EV6 is about 4.6 to 3.0 volts. The top end of the battery pack will supply more current when compared to the bottom of the pack because when voltage goes down amperage goes up to deliver the same amount of energy to propel the EV at the same speed. So each kWh that is used at 100% SOC will go farther when compared to a kWh used at a SOC at 10%. For this reason most EV manufacturers are restricting the use of the bottom end of the SOC since more heat energy should be released and less work energy could be performed. The range test should have been performed around the 50% SOC condition.
This is a very valid point. In my experience with 22k miles on an EV6 Light is that Kia just reports percentage directly linear to battery voltage. The problem with this is that the energy under the voltage curve is proportional to voltage so the energy from 0-25% is lowest, more at 25-50%, even more at 50-75% and most at 75-100%. In my experience when the battery is showing 57% or so is actually your halfway range in mileage. Plus you’re rarely going to be brave or foolhardy enough to show up at the charger with just a couple percent left on the display. Plus the car will be throwing up warnings at 10% SOC and below that get increasingly dire.
That was a very good and comprehensive test, you did a great job like in all of your videos. I just got my GT Line same color as yours, after loving my partner's EV6 Wind. Will see the variety of ranges I get. He is getting around 305miles in a very mixed drive here in Portland Oregon. Will see how it changes with summer coming up
I have the same car as you (in the matte gray colorway ) and I always use air conditioning on (using the driver only feature and level one auto fan speed) I only get about 220 miles per full charge. I also have regen in max level which is I pedal. I love it. I also drive almost 90% highway miles at 70 mph.
Very nice work. Something that should be pointed out that they don't account for elevation changes, wind, and weather impacts to range. Not taking these factors into account will leave you shocked at how bad range is in the various conditions. Just be very mindful of these variables when planning trips and routes. Always have a plan B if you have to punch out and find a charge. Of course this really isn't that much of a factor locally near our homes and regular commutes. Charging at home daily with a full charge rarely needs the additional charge. It is the longer trips and unplanned trips that this gets tricky. The EPA estimate for highway test method is flawed. Most people today are driving much faster than the 60mph they are testing at so people are disappointed when they come up short of what they were told was the range for the vehicle. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for this interesting assessment. And thanks for fully specifying your Auto regen setting by including the Level 3 component. Once I became aware of Auto being linked to specific numbered regen levels I took on a new pet peeve for those who say they were in Auto and not mentioning the level. Nit picky, perhaps, but it’s a material distinction.
Is the range lower in the usage before the first charge cycle? I’ve had my gt line awd for 25 days and got about 255 kms with about 75 kms left on 15% battery remaining. I am doing 100% city driving in eco mode and regen level. 3 . I have the climate control on always but in eco climate control mode. I’m told by Kia that the range will improve after the first charge. Is this a fact? Really enjoy all your videos and the level of information and effort
I usually get better mileage then the EPA estimates in my gas cars as well. My current car a Niro PHEV is rated for 26 miles in EV mode but getting 30+ is no problem and some people get upto 34. I guess it is better to guess low and have people get more than they were told.
The highway tests should be at 55, 65, 75 AND 85 mph. The interstate speeds in most of the Western states are 80 mph and even 85 mph in parts of Texas. Furthermore, few drivers in the western states--which has cities spread out hundreds of miles apart such as LV to LA, or LV to SG or SG to SLC or Seattle to Portland, or Austin to Dallas, etc, etc. So real world highway tests MUST include all of the known Interstate speeds--not just those typical in the Eastern half of the US. Besides that, most drivers in the left lane go 5 to 10 mph over the limit and many go 20 to 30 mph over the limit. So if you want to travel in a two lane Interstate and don't want to get stuck going 70 mph in a 75 mph limit area because of Truckers, you have to move over to the left lane and if you don't want to get five fingered to death you need to 'go with the flow'--in other words--if the limit is 75 the majority of the traffic will be going 80 to 85 mph. So in most Western states with an 80 mph limit (8 of them or almost 20% of the nation) you need to be going at least 85 mph to avoid the five fingered salute continuously. So that 85 mph test is essential. lets be realistic not optimistic. Heck even those states with 75 mph limits which includes the majority of states in the US the traffic in the left lane is usually going 80 to 84 mph (0 to 9 mph ticket range). So that once again that 85 mph range test is important.
Great video for prospective buyers like myself, thank you
I relate EV purchases to real estate where Location, location, location are the three most important factors. With an EV it’s range, range, range. My Kia E Niro does about 200-240, not enough I want 300-340 for my next vehicle. I think this range would help greatly with reducing range anxiety on future EV buyers.
I appreciate your hard work, most likely a Kia like yours is in my future.
But wouldn't location factor in on range needed? Sorry I couldn't resist. The Niro EV had enough range for me , then the EV6 came out , really not much more range but more tech and the fast charging is nice to have, but not significant for my use (faster AC charging more useful)., Very nice 🚗
Why did you get the Niro ? It’s almost the same price
@@viniciusreboucas6099 got it before the EV6 was even announced
Wondering about the linear depletion assumption here. I have heard that the batteries do not deplete linearly. Would be interesting to see these tests starting at 30% instead of 100% to see if you get the same values.
No EV has a linear depletion rate due to the voltage drop in each cell that occurs from 100 percent to 0 percent SOC. I think the voltage range for each cell in EV6 is about 4.6 to 3.0 volts. The top end of the battery pack will supply more current when compared to the bottom of the pack because when voltage goes down amperage goes up to deliver the same amount of energy to propel the EV at the same speed. So each kWh that is used at 100% SOC will go farther when compared to a kWh used at a SOC at 10%. For this reason most EV manufacturers are restricting the use of the bottom end of the SOC since more heat energy should be released and less work energy could be performed. The range test should have been performed around the 50% SOC condition.
This is a very valid point. In my experience with 22k miles on an EV6 Light is that Kia just reports percentage directly linear to battery voltage. The problem with this is that the energy under the voltage curve is proportional to voltage so the energy from 0-25% is lowest, more at 25-50%, even more at 50-75% and most at 75-100%. In my experience when the battery is showing 57% or so is actually your halfway range in mileage. Plus you’re rarely going to be brave or foolhardy enough to show up at the charger with just a couple percent left on the display. Plus the car will be throwing up warnings at 10% SOC and below that get increasingly dire.
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That was a very good and comprehensive test, you did a great job like in all of your videos. I just got my GT Line same color as yours, after loving my partner's EV6 Wind. Will see the variety of ranges I get. He is getting around 305miles in a very mixed drive here in Portland Oregon. Will see how it changes with summer coming up
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Great video! Love my EV6!!!
I have the same car as you (in the matte gray colorway ) and I always use air conditioning on (using the driver only feature and level one auto fan speed) I only get about 220 miles per full charge. I also have regen in max level which is I pedal. I love it. I also drive almost 90% highway miles at 70 mph.
I have the dual motor GT line S and regularly get 260 mile range with ECO driving.
Wow! Great analysis. You said you aren't an engineer (I am) and I would have sworn you were with you great and in depth analysis. Thanks.
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Always good and concise explanations.
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FYI, in 2008 the EPA added three additional test cycles (High Speed, Air Conditioning, and Cold Weather) to their MPG testing.
Excellent review
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Much appreciate your time and efforts in creating these informative videos. From your car's "East Coast Twin"!
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I charged my Kia EV6 GT line AWD to 100% and the range showed 296 on normal mode and 303 on eco
The guessometer really isn’t accurate in any electric car
Very nice work. Something that should be pointed out that they don't account for elevation changes, wind, and weather impacts to range. Not taking these factors into account will leave you shocked at how bad range is in the various conditions. Just be very mindful of these variables when planning trips and routes. Always have a plan B if you have to punch out and find a charge. Of course this really isn't that much of a factor locally near our homes and regular commutes. Charging at home daily with a full charge rarely needs the additional charge. It is the longer trips and unplanned trips that this gets tricky. The EPA estimate for highway test method is flawed. Most people today are driving much faster than the 60mph they are testing at so people are disappointed when they come up short of what they were told was the range for the vehicle. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for this interesting assessment. And thanks for fully specifying your Auto regen setting by including the Level 3 component. Once I became aware of Auto being linked to specific numbered regen levels I took on a new pet peeve for those who say they were in Auto and not mentioning the level. Nit picky, perhaps, but it’s a material distinction.
A very significant distinction, indeed!
I think the top of the battery is fuller than the bottom... Work that theory. Love your videos!
Is the range lower in the usage before the first charge cycle? I’ve had my gt line awd for 25 days and got about 255 kms with about 75 kms left on 15% battery remaining. I am doing 100% city driving in eco mode and regen level. 3 . I have the climate control on always but in eco climate control mode. I’m told by Kia that the range will improve after the first charge. Is this a fact? Really enjoy all your videos and the level of information and effort
Well done - very well explained
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I usually get better mileage then the EPA estimates in my gas cars as well. My current car a Niro PHEV is rated for 26 miles in EV mode but getting 30+ is no problem and some people get upto 34. I guess it is better to guess low and have people get more than they were told.
The highway tests should be at 55, 65, 75 AND 85 mph. The interstate speeds in most of the Western states are 80 mph and even 85 mph in parts of Texas. Furthermore, few drivers in the western states--which has cities spread out hundreds of miles apart such as LV to LA, or LV to SG or SG to SLC or Seattle to Portland, or Austin to Dallas, etc, etc. So real world highway tests MUST include all of the known Interstate speeds--not just those typical in the Eastern half of the US. Besides that, most drivers in the left lane go 5 to 10 mph over the limit and many go 20 to 30 mph over the limit. So if you want to travel in a two lane Interstate and don't want to get stuck going 70 mph in a 75 mph limit area because of Truckers, you have to move over to the left lane and if you don't want to get five fingered to death you need to 'go with the flow'--in other words--if the limit is 75 the majority of the traffic will be going 80 to 85 mph. So in most Western states with an 80 mph limit (8 of them or almost 20% of the nation) you need to be going at least 85 mph to avoid the five fingered salute continuously. So that 85 mph test is essential. lets be realistic not optimistic.
Heck even those states with 75 mph limits which includes the majority of states in the US the traffic in the left lane is usually going 80 to 84 mph (0 to 9 mph ticket range). So that once again that 85 mph range test is important.
I’ve got +500 km in my E-niro, 2020 - 64 kWh
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Can the ev6 use Tesla supercharger?
Not yet! Tesla has started opening up Superchargers in other countries to makes other than Tesla. We don't know when that will happen in the States...
What do you mean by extended rage? Doesn't it only come in RWD or AWD? And the RWD has 310 miles and the AWD has 275? ""
There's a smaller battery 'standard range'. Discontinued in the US for 2023...
What level of regenerative braking did you use in your city driving range test? Maybe I missed it.
Auto regen 3
E-gmp and previous generations korean cars don't have a linear SOC. The last 25% have less energy than the first 25%
Thanks for your comment! Could you please share your source for the observation about the last 25% having less energy than the first 25%?
I like your style of presentation but this test is bogus, just deciding to use 25% of the battery to expidite the tests is not a valid method.
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