Driver’s opinions are the only thing we have to accurately gauge this issue. The only opinion that holds any value other then the fans. The metrics stated in this video aren’t being evaluated properly and are entirely erroneous due to numerous compounding factors and variables which are not and cannot be factored correctly. One can not, by any logical means contribute those insignificant variations to the wicker bill change. The increase In hard chargers and leader changes is entirely irrelevant. Anyone with eyes can tell the rule made no significant positive impact. Anyone with common sense and minimal understanding of fluid dynamics and aero mechanics predicted this outcome. They also knew that other proposed changes would be implemented before they simply accepted defeat. A domino effect.
@@ChrisS-oo6fl - Absolutely agree! Something as simple as 2 lbs of air pressure in the right rear tire can change the handling and characteristics of a race car, never mind the ever changing track conditions…
Whenever you change the rules, some people will complain. But,guess what? Everyone has to deal with it,so stop your bitchin! There is no perfect solution to this dirty air problem, unless you completely do away with wings.
Was working on a wing sprint car when they came up with the flat top wing rule, within a month every car had longer wing stands to increase the wing angle dramatically. Unless you had one of the best race engine you were going to be lapped. Flat wing is a extremely inefficient way to create downforce, although it creates a lot of downforce the only way to move the car with all that drag is lots of horse power/money. Flat wing is not really a wing more of an airfoil it creates an incredible amount of dirty air I doubt a wicker bill makes much difference.
Do you remember what year the flat top rule was instated? I remember years ago Brad Doty pointing out the flat top wing rule made the "Dirty Air" more of an issue because of what you are saying.
I'm not an aerodynamicist but as I understand the wicker and how we use it on our car, it acts like a spoiler on a stockcar more than adds to the overall wing effect. So basically, if you start 3rd row or further back or know you are going to run up on lappers quick then you put the bigger wicker on to grab as much turbulent air as possible behind the other cars to try and minimize the loss of the air on the wing. So it's true, a lower wicker actually makes it harder for cars in the back to do anything because the wings are already massive and you can just put the wing past stall angle to compensate. With a 410, you have enough power to pull the extra drag even on the big tracks so there isn't much of a penalty there. Only way to reduce dirty air is reduce wing size or redesign them to allow more air passthrough or better convergence/less wake behind them. But that would require way to much money in engineering and wind tunnel time for anyone involved in sprintcar racing to care about it. I mean look, we still race cars that have base chassis and suspension designs from the 30s-50s. To the wing angle rule, it would be nearly impossible to police as even stagger changes adjust the angle of the wing due to ride height changes on the car. You'd need for every track you go to to have a leveled pad and then have every car pass a pre-race check and that simply would never be available and would slow things down for the show. At this point just let teams run whatever really, maybe go back to the 2" rule so you don't have billboards out there or let the cars starting behind the dash transfers able to run an extra inch to give them a little help in racing in dirty air compared to cars starting on the front row. Maybe this helps a little or maybe not.
Just a thought here so take it easy on me. But maybe USAC has it right inverting the top 6. I know, I'm one of the few who is ok with it. But it puts on better racing. It's just too bad the money isn't there to show it.
Congrats on 30K subscribers. A simple solution (not really, but it sounds good), combine the May 13th High Limit Show and Flo Racing Late Model show at one track. Justin, with your pull in the dirt racing world, you should be able to make this happen. 😅 Great show. Keep up the efforts, it is appreciated by 30K plus fans
The drivers are completely biased and tend to want the opposite of great racing. If their car isn't as hooked up as before they are always going to be against it. All the different winners to this point proves that the typical front runners who time trial really well maybe aren't getting as much traction. Jacob Allen won a High Limit race with Brad Sweet and Larson on the track. I think Larson may have even eluded to the wickerbill giving him less traction. The racing at Cottonbowl was great as well. You cited Logan Wagner? I understand the guy is a pilot but has he even been in a car yet this season since the rule was enacted? No.
So what if he hasn't run yet? So you mean he doesn't know how the one inch wicker feels? I get that but, most pilots have a better understanding of aero dynamics than the average person. Just sayin ok? I always wondered if they are stalling the wings with all the angle of attack they run? Old student pilot and retired hobby amateur sprint car driver here. I used to try run a little less angle on my top wing, and I have some dust collectors too, but I wasn't running a 410 either.
@@oneninerniner3427 My point is that the dude hasn't made a single lap yet this season and he has already made up his mind on it. What changes would you suggest they do to improve the racing?
The racing at cotton bowl wasn't great it was just ok. What would have made it great was scaling the number of laps to the size of the track. In quick traffic this was a good race. But the lack of lap scaling to track size it was over before it could get great.
@@zeabobql3923 I completely disagree. I'm not a fan of less laps under any circumstance. The rule of thumb is like 25 laps on a half mile track right? Assuming no cautions it takes them like 18 laps to get to lap traffic. Half the action is the leader negotiating lap traffic.
But seriously. If you think about it the winged sprint car wing is massive. I’m no aerodynamicist but an inch off the wicker bill doesn’t seem like much. I know they don’t want to reduce the size of the wing for safety reasons but maybe reducing the thickness of the wing would help. Yeah less downforce but with that less turbulent air behind.
Lets have some real fun. I know its been a long time and heck, even a different era. But some of the best racing I can recall seeing is when URC ran with no nose wing and their 3 X 5 top wing. The group was very successful and self supporting. They always put on a good show.
I love my Kubota BX 25D. It's been a fine machine, except for one major flaw. The rear locker pins are not strong enough and break very easily if the locker is engaged with a rear wheel spinning. I broke mine when I hadn't realized I had high-sided the tractor and engaged the locker. The pins snapped immediately. To replace the pins, you have to tear the entire rear of the tractor apart and disassemble the rear end, among other things. A major flaw that deserves a class action lawsuit in my opinion.
You’re getting warmer with the angle of attack. Now tie that into the relative wind and how that relates to a stall… Increase in AOA and slower speed (dry track, small track, etc) = stall (stall bad)… They’ll get it eventually.
When you take into account the changing conditions of a dirt track, I would think it would be impossible to judge any car changes by race results. Seems like you would need a wind tunnel test to see what the effects would be and go from there.
Has anyone put a whole car in a wind tunnel? Would think TSR would have done it, but they may not want to share the info. Maybe putting 2 in would be quite beneficial to the trailing car for wing placement & angle.
This is just my opinion, but if you haven't learned anything from Nascar, don't screw with something that works. leave it alone. The product was fine before. Just saying
The wickerbill has very little affect on the turbulent air behind the cars. A 25sqft wing at a steep angle of attack will always create air turbulence, with or without a wicker bill. If they are shooting for unhooking the race cars, have the cars run harder rear tires. All of the wickerbill talk is nonsense.
With wicker rules and wing angles there will always be drivers/teams looking for ways to get around rules or trying to find speed how ever they can. So, do you just keep making more rules or do you relax things some and say run what you bring and hope you bring enough? Anyway, great show!
Unfortunately, cleaning up turbulent air is far more complicated than wicker bill height and wing angle limitations. If you take my Wickers away I'll just run thicker cord at the leading edge and if you limit my maximum wing angle I'll start changing where and how much upward curl the main plain has depending on what speeds I'll be seeing at that track and depending on where and how you measure the wing angle I'll change side board angles to mask what I've changed. I'll end up with the exact same Drag co efficient and downforce I had before the rules, The only difference is Now I need twenty different wings and a Fluid dynamics degree.
3 different F1 Aero engineers have told me the "wicker bills" are complete and utter trash. All they do is cause DRAG, however....... the drag DOES create a percentage of pressure on that section of the wing, which in turn pushes down on the rear of the car. BUT the amount of drag they create for the high pressure side of the wing, will do more bad then good. The ONLY time it might be worth the drag %, is on bone dry slick. But there are a number of things to do to the setup to create much much greater forward traction then using "wicker bills".
This is what happens. You make a rule that’s not based on science or fact which worsens the problem. Then we start looking to make other rules or changes to fix the problem essentially chasing our tails. It’s dominos. It started immediately now stage 2 erroneously looking at the angle and limiting the such based on theory. A theory that’s agin not taking into account history or typical usage / standards of wing adjustment. Like clowns. This is extremely easy to simulate and the utilities to do so are FREE. The metrics on passes and hard chargers are irrelevant and can’t by themselves provide us with a conclusive picture of the rules impact. There’s multiple factors and variables that result in both lead changes and hard Charger awards. This is a very common problem with the sport in general where people fail to understand or evaluate the metrics in their totality while considering or calculating said variables. Anyone who’s spent their life on the industry is aware of these factors. Hard charges can be influenced on talent variables and starting position alone. Not to mention set up, track conditions, tire choice’s, luck and circumstances with the competition. The air is only a small factor and we cannot conclusively say if it didn’t actually hinder that performance. Same with leader swaps! Just grabbing data and saying see look at the difference doesn’t work and it’s not appropriate use of the data with factual inference. You can match data like this over multiple factors. If we recorded car color I could say black cars made more passes thus black cars are faster. It’s like saying 40 years ago people didn’t have cellphones. There was also less cases of addiction. Thus one can reasonably conclude that cell phones must contribute to modern addiction!
Funny because I keep hearing that he and Brad put this together to give back to the sport. Still not seeing it really. He won his own series last year, how is that giving back either? I'm clearly confused and don't know all the ins and outs, but it just seems unsettling to me.
@@mikesobiech5438double the amount of teams running a national schedule, almost double the amount of 410 national races, on streaming Platform the average American can afford, seems like it's been a success. Obviously all these teams running full time with high limit like the business model. Yes they have to beat him to win, it's a race not a charity
@@No.1BSheppFantracks hosting major 410 races that typically don't is a major win for the sport. Larson racing also brings casual nascar fans in. I see nothing but positives execept for the small circle of outlaws people who do nothing to grow anything.
Are you able yourself to change the background to orange on the highlimit logo? Kubota is ORANGE. Highlimit gave me a lame reason not to change.EVERYONE IS USED TO THE YELLOW.pathetic reason. Kubota IS ORANGE
A series was started here in Texas several years ago that has now turned in to the ASCS Elite Outlaw Series. Every car on the track runs the same wing angle and the same right rear all night long. This is such a great rule that back when it was a 305/360 series, sometimes the 305's would win the race (not on a big 1/2 mile though). Nowadays it is a 360/ 410 series. But, it is the best rule in the country by far! No one can move their wing because the top 4 pull down to the infield and get the angle measured before anything else happens. If it's not perfect... DQ time and I ain't talking about a blizzard.
Imposing further restraints and restrictions have continuously proven to degrade the quality of racing while pushing it further from its organic competitive state and spirit. There’s multiple reasons for this that doesn’t always align with primitive thinking. What we have here is failed rule that wasn’t initiated on facts or data which has once agin has opened us up to even more rules and regulations in attempt to cure a problem they only elevated. A snake eating it’s tail. We continue to take driver control away as well as stifle competitive diversification. Clones do not make for good racing. That’s a fact once understood by racers that’s slowly dissolved that last two decades. Just has the quality of racing and the number of tickets sold to the events. The south west and mid west had tainted every series with over bearing and antiquated rules that spread across the nation. The last place we should ever look for a solution involving more rules. The horrible rule didn’t work. Just throw another rule at it. Sounds legit. When that fails to prove any different, we will just throw another one on the books!
@@ChrisS-oo6fl The car owners, drivers and fans LOVE the Elite series rules. The only reason we have a bad show is track prep, not the rules. Every series should follow the Elite rules... which there is basically only 2 rules.... Wing angle and run the same rr all night long. Other than that... bring what ever motor you want up to a 410.
Driver's opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. They are going to want the cars as hooked up as possible racing quality be damned
Driver’s opinions are the only thing we have to accurately gauge this issue. The only opinion that holds any value other then the fans. The metrics stated in this video aren’t being evaluated properly and are entirely erroneous due to numerous compounding factors and variables which are not and cannot be factored correctly. One can not, by any logical means contribute those insignificant variations to the wicker bill change. The increase In hard chargers and leader changes is entirely irrelevant. Anyone with eyes can tell the rule made no significant positive impact. Anyone with common sense and minimal understanding of fluid dynamics and aero mechanics predicted this outcome. They also knew that other proposed changes would be implemented before they simply accepted defeat. A domino effect.
@@ChrisS-oo6fl - Absolutely agree! Something as simple as 2 lbs of air pressure in the right rear tire can change the handling and characteristics of a race car, never mind the ever changing track conditions…
Congratulations on 30K Justin and the Kubota support. My go-to for dirt track racing. 👍👍🏁
No wings !!! 🏁🏁🏁
Remember when the outlaws were outlaws,
when almost anything went
Congrats on 30k subscribers!
Hopefully flo has a side by side option for the may 13th date.
Do a comparison with the times at Attica and Freeport this year with last year’s times. See what that shows after a few races.
Whenever you change the rules, some people will complain. But,guess what? Everyone has to deal with it,so stop your bitchin! There is no perfect solution to this dirty air problem, unless you completely do away with wings.
Rico needs a Indy 500 ride , he'd be a rocket ship
😜
Go back to running dished wings cancels out the need for wicker bills.
Was working on a wing sprint car when they came up with the flat top wing rule, within a month every car had longer wing stands to increase the wing angle dramatically. Unless you had one of the best race engine you were going to be lapped. Flat wing is a extremely inefficient way to create downforce, although it creates a lot of downforce the only way to move the car with all that drag is lots of horse power/money. Flat wing is not really a wing more of an airfoil it creates an incredible amount of dirty air I doubt a wicker bill makes much difference.
Do you remember what year the flat top rule was instated? I remember years ago Brad Doty pointing out the flat top wing rule made the "Dirty Air" more of an issue because of what you are saying.
just go non wing
How about leave them alone and race,,, stop trying to Nascar it up.
Great show. Do you know when the first auto race was? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,When the second car was made!
it slow news day unfortunately...jus lil treat
make the cars less aero dependent. a smaller wing would help but then they would cry that they gotta drive the cars now...
I'm not an aerodynamicist but as I understand the wicker and how we use it on our car, it acts like a spoiler on a stockcar more than adds to the overall wing effect. So basically, if you start 3rd row or further back or know you are going to run up on lappers quick then you put the bigger wicker on to grab as much turbulent air as possible behind the other cars to try and minimize the loss of the air on the wing. So it's true, a lower wicker actually makes it harder for cars in the back to do anything because the wings are already massive and you can just put the wing past stall angle to compensate. With a 410, you have enough power to pull the extra drag even on the big tracks so there isn't much of a penalty there. Only way to reduce dirty air is reduce wing size or redesign them to allow more air passthrough or better convergence/less wake behind them. But that would require way to much money in engineering and wind tunnel time for anyone involved in sprintcar racing to care about it. I mean look, we still race cars that have base chassis and suspension designs from the 30s-50s. To the wing angle rule, it would be nearly impossible to police as even stagger changes adjust the angle of the wing due to ride height changes on the car. You'd need for every track you go to to have a leveled pad and then have every car pass a pre-race check and that simply would never be available and would slow things down for the show. At this point just let teams run whatever really, maybe go back to the 2" rule so you don't have billboards out there or let the cars starting behind the dash transfers able to run an extra inch to give them a little help in racing in dirty air compared to cars starting on the front row. Maybe this helps a little or maybe not.
Could no one pay a couple bucks to run a days worth of wind tunnel testing and figure it out. 🤦♂️
Just a thought here so take it easy on me. But maybe USAC has it right inverting the top 6. I know, I'm one of the few who is ok with it. But it puts on better racing. It's just too bad the money isn't there to show it.
Congrats on 30K subscribers. A simple solution (not really, but it sounds good), combine the May 13th High Limit Show and Flo Racing Late Model show at one track. Justin, with your pull in the dirt racing world, you should be able to make this happen. 😅 Great show. Keep up the efforts, it is appreciated by 30K plus fans
Larson is the top guy in winged sprints and people want to see him compete, this anti larson movement in the sport is so backwards
Whoops I replied to the wrong comment
How about no wickerbill and a fixed top wing with no adjustment.
I like where your head is at
The drivers are completely biased and tend to want the opposite of great racing. If their car isn't as hooked up as before they are always going to be against it. All the different winners to this point proves that the typical front runners who time trial really well maybe aren't getting as much traction. Jacob Allen won a High Limit race with Brad Sweet and Larson on the track. I think Larson may have even eluded to the wickerbill giving him less traction. The racing at Cottonbowl was great as well. You cited Logan Wagner? I understand the guy is a pilot but has he even been in a car yet this season since the rule was enacted? No.
This.
So what if he hasn't run yet? So you mean he doesn't know how the one inch wicker feels? I get that but, most pilots have a better understanding of aero dynamics than the average person. Just sayin ok? I always wondered if they are stalling the wings with all the angle of attack they run? Old student pilot and retired hobby amateur sprint car driver here. I used to try run a little less angle on my top wing, and I have some dust collectors too, but I wasn't running a 410 either.
@@oneninerniner3427 My point is that the dude hasn't made a single lap yet this season and he has already made up his mind on it. What changes would you suggest they do to improve the racing?
The racing at cotton bowl wasn't great it was just ok. What would have made it great was scaling the number of laps to the size of the track.
In quick traffic this was a good race. But the lack of lap scaling to track size it was over before it could get great.
@@zeabobql3923 I completely disagree. I'm not a fan of less laps under any circumstance. The rule of thumb is like 25 laps on a half mile track right? Assuming no cautions it takes them like 18 laps to get to lap traffic. Half the action is the leader negotiating lap traffic.
Why can't we just perform wind tunnel tests?
Racers always want what cost the most. Been there.
Why don’t they go to a DRS system like F1?
But seriously. If you think about it the winged sprint car wing is massive. I’m no aerodynamicist but an inch off the wicker bill doesn’t seem like much. I know they don’t want to reduce the size of the wing for safety reasons but maybe reducing the thickness of the wing would help. Yeah less downforce but with that less turbulent air behind.
"Dirty Air" was not spoke about in the 90's and the biggest difference is the size of the front wings.
Why is there no discussion with front wings?
See @jump429's comment.
Lets have some real fun. I know its been a long time and heck, even a different era. But some of the best racing I can recall seeing is when URC ran with no nose wing and their 3 X 5 top wing. The group was very successful and self supporting. They always put on a good show.
I love my Kubota BX 25D. It's been a fine machine, except for one major flaw. The rear locker pins are not strong enough and break very easily if the locker is engaged with a rear wheel spinning. I broke mine when I hadn't realized I had high-sided the tractor and engaged the locker. The pins snapped immediately. To replace the pins, you have to tear the entire rear of the tractor apart and disassemble the rear end, among other things. A major flaw that deserves a class action lawsuit in my opinion.
I remember when wings moved side to side, not only front and back...
get rid of front wings that will take away a lot of down force from the top wing and no wicker bill, maybe a smaller square ft top wing.
They have been tilting the wings when they took the dish wing away
High limit and Outlaws as a series need to team up and hire a wind tunnel if they want to get real answers.
I will be watching the Late Models
You’re getting warmer with the angle of attack. Now tie that into the relative wind and how that relates to a stall… Increase in AOA and slower speed (dry track, small track, etc) = stall (stall bad)… They’ll get it eventually.
Take the wicket off
Kinda curious as to what Kubota annouces next in dirt racing.
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MX5400 owner
When you take into account the changing conditions of a dirt track, I would think it would be impossible to judge any car changes by race results. Seems like you would need a wind tunnel test to see what the effects would be and go from there.
Has anyone put a whole car in a wind tunnel? Would think TSR would have done it, but they may not want to share the info. Maybe putting 2 in would be quite beneficial to the trailing car for wing placement & angle.
I can’t wait for Fonda
This is just my opinion, but if you haven't learned anything from Nascar, don't screw with something that works. leave it alone. The product was fine before. Just saying
The wickerbill has very little affect on the turbulent air behind the cars. A 25sqft wing at a steep angle of attack will always create air turbulence, with or without a wicker bill. If they are shooting for unhooking the race cars, have the cars run harder rear tires. All of the wickerbill talk is nonsense.
With wicker rules and wing angles there will always be drivers/teams looking for ways to get around rules or trying to find speed how ever they can. So, do you just keep making more rules or do you relax things some and say run what you bring and hope you bring enough? Anyway, great show!
Unfortunately, cleaning up turbulent air is far more complicated than wicker bill height and wing angle limitations. If you take my Wickers away I'll just run thicker cord at the leading edge and if you limit my maximum wing angle I'll start changing where and how much upward curl the main plain has depending on what speeds I'll be seeing at that track and depending on where and how you measure the wing angle I'll change side board angles to mask what I've changed.
I'll end up with the exact same Drag co efficient and downforce I had before the rules, The only difference is Now I need twenty different wings and a Fluid dynamics degree.
Approved Spec wing so everyone has to meet same specs, just like tires.
All the same, spec cars you have to buy from the race series like NASCAR does 😕
3 different F1 Aero engineers have told me the "wicker bills" are complete and utter trash. All they do is cause DRAG, however....... the drag DOES create a percentage of pressure on that section of the wing, which in turn pushes down on the rear of the car. BUT the amount of drag they create for the high pressure side of the wing, will do more bad then good.
The ONLY time it might be worth the drag %, is on bone dry slick. But there are a number of things to do to the setup to create much much greater forward traction then using "wicker bills".
Sounds like a lot of crap..leave the wings alone..
I don't know how one could watch these recent WoO features and think it's "not working". At the very least, it's as good as it was.
Facebook O you mean Creepbook lol
This is what happens. You make a rule that’s not based on science or fact which worsens the problem. Then we start looking to make other rules or changes to fix the problem essentially chasing our tails. It’s dominos. It started immediately now stage 2 erroneously looking at the angle and limiting the such based on theory. A theory that’s agin not taking into account history or typical usage / standards of wing adjustment. Like clowns. This is extremely easy to simulate and the utilities to do so are FREE.
The metrics on passes and hard chargers are irrelevant and can’t by themselves provide us with a conclusive picture of the rules impact. There’s multiple factors and variables that result in both lead changes and hard Charger awards. This is a very common problem with the sport in general where people fail to understand or evaluate the metrics in their totality while considering or calculating said variables. Anyone who’s spent their life on the industry is aware of these factors. Hard charges can be influenced on talent variables and starting position alone. Not to mention set up, track conditions, tire choice’s, luck and circumstances with the competition. The air is only a small factor and we cannot conclusively say if it didn’t actually hinder that performance. Same with leader swaps! Just grabbing data and saying see look at the difference doesn’t work and it’s not appropriate use of the data with factual inference. You can match data like this over multiple factors. If we recorded car color I could say black cars made more passes thus black cars are faster.
It’s like saying 40 years ago people didn’t have cellphones. There was also less cases of addiction. Thus one can reasonably conclude that cell phones must contribute to modern addiction!
Imagine if every series adjusted schedules to cater to every driver's personal schedule.... 100% for Larson's schedule not the fans, come on.!
Larson racing with the top 410 teams is 100% a good thing for the sport you are clueless.
Fully aware what his presents does at a 410 show...
Funny because I keep hearing that he and Brad put this together to give back to the sport. Still not seeing it really. He won his own series last year, how is that giving back either? I'm clearly confused and don't know all the ins and outs, but it just seems unsettling to me.
@@mikesobiech5438double the amount of teams running a national schedule, almost double the amount of 410 national races, on streaming Platform the average American can afford, seems like it's been a success. Obviously all these teams running full time with high limit like the business model. Yes they have to beat him to win, it's a race not a charity
@@No.1BSheppFantracks hosting major 410 races that typically don't is a major win for the sport. Larson racing also brings casual nascar fans in. I see nothing but positives execept for the small circle of outlaws people who do nothing to grow anything.
Are you able yourself to change the background to orange on the highlimit logo? Kubota is ORANGE. Highlimit gave me a lame reason not to change.EVERYONE IS USED TO THE YELLOW.pathetic reason. Kubota IS ORANGE
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A series was started here in Texas several years ago that has now turned in to the ASCS Elite Outlaw Series. Every car on the track runs the same wing angle and the same right rear all night long. This is such a great rule that back when it was a 305/360 series, sometimes the 305's would win the race (not on a big 1/2 mile though). Nowadays it is a 360/ 410 series. But, it is the best rule in the country by far! No one can move their wing because the top 4 pull down to the infield and get the angle measured before anything else happens. If it's not perfect... DQ time and I ain't talking about a blizzard.
Imposing further restraints and restrictions have continuously proven to degrade the quality of racing while pushing it further from its organic competitive state and spirit. There’s multiple reasons for this that doesn’t always align with primitive thinking. What we have here is failed rule that wasn’t initiated on facts or data which has once agin has opened us up to even more rules and regulations in attempt to cure a problem they only elevated. A snake eating it’s tail. We continue to take driver control away as well as stifle competitive diversification. Clones do not make for good racing. That’s a fact once understood by racers that’s slowly dissolved that last two decades. Just has the quality of racing and the number of tickets sold to the events. The south west and mid west had tainted every series with over bearing and antiquated rules that spread across the nation. The last place we should ever look for a solution involving more rules.
The horrible rule didn’t work. Just throw another rule at it. Sounds legit. When that fails to prove any different, we will just throw another one on the books!
@@ChrisS-oo6fl The car owners, drivers and fans LOVE the Elite series rules. The only reason we have a bad show is track prep, not the rules. Every series should follow the Elite rules... which there is basically only 2 rules.... Wing angle and run the same rr all night long. Other than that... bring what ever motor you want up to a 410.