I completed a trip last week with temps less than 4c, Visiting Yorkshire, back to Lincoln and then to Nottingham and then back home. Got back with 8 miles left on my Tesla Model3 RWD. I had left with the LFP battery at 100% charging at 7p per kWh. Around 225 miles with sentry mode used overnight and at Nottingham. Cost me £4.25 to fill it up. Range is usually around 268 miles shown on the screen. I have found the Tesla will not meet the WLTP shown as 318 miles. However I am often 4 to 5 miles per kWh, that I feel is a far better way of stating it. Likewise my Kia E Niro had a claimed 278 miles and I was able to meet this in the summer. In the winter mine was reaching 220 miles with 3-4 miles per kWh. Great update Dave!
Today I left home after de-icing my windows of the car. (zero celsius). Arriving at my destination, 122 miles away I had 58% battery left. This was with headwind. Temp at destination 4 degrees celsius. In the afternoon back, 7 degrees celsius getting to 5 degrees . Wind had shifted and was from the side. Drove a little faster (average) because less traffic around. Also following a 3 miles longer route. I came home with 12% battery left. about 244 miles (375 km). 45 km range left (which brings the range of today on 420 km). WLTP range is 430 km...but due to traffic today I was on average some slower as normal. No recharge needed for more than 400 km today during the route. (Oh, if necessary I could have charged at a level 2 public ac charger at my destination. A few free charging spots....but charging at home saves a lot of money) In other words...Which range issues in winter? I do not know them (after 13 years driving electric...much longer even than any real government pushing towards electric.
In winter a lot of my range goes on pre-heating the car twice a day for my daily commute, the range is always going to be much better when just doing one continuous journey but that is not how the majority of EV drivers use their cars. I have never understood the obsession with the ‘how far will they go’ type of videos we see all the time on RUclips. How about a typical usage test that most of us actually do, a daily commute to work, school run, popping to the shops etc over the course of a week & see how many miles the cars achieve.
I have a vw id7 tourer. Real world range is around 300 miles when the temperature is above 13 deg. (4.3 m per kwh) But it drops to around 260 when temp is 6 degrees and even less if freezing. But i would never go back to ice now.
I think the Model 3 in question was the long range yes? So around 75kWh usable battery size - still much better efficiency than the Polestar as you say :) And RoboCab in Texas in June :)
Interesting life then! I waste about 5 seconds in total, looking at my fuel gauge 3 times before needing to fill up on day 10 or 11. Waste another 2/3 minutes at the pump and forget about it all for another 11+ days.
Interestingly, when I precondition my Renauld Mégane the level of charge on my battery, at the most, decreases by 1%, sometimes it doesn't fall at all. Now, because I live on quite a long hill, and use regenerative breaking, i nearly always gain back more than the small amount that I have lost in the first place. Which is nice😁
I live in Switzerland (cold climate is normal)... Over the last 6250 km my 2021 Porsche Taycan 4S had an avg consumption of 20.1 kWh/100 km. The range with the 93.4 kWh performance plus battery in winter is ca 360 km in 4 deg C, in summer I'll get about 440 km. Excellent efficiency in my opinion.
Hello Dave, I have a couple of points, first my ORA can only charge at 60KW so what is the point of using a 350 KW plus charger, my WLTP is 193 miles, but in this cold weather will only charge to 121 miles or 62%, does this mean my battery is faulty, I only use it around town so rarely goes above 30 MPH, it's 17 months old with less than 5000 miles done, when my lease ends in sept I will probably buy a second hand EV to miss the depreciation also why do some manufactures omit the rear wiper, this is my main gripe about the car as the rear window gets very mucky, but on the positive side like the feature to turn on the A/C before getting in the car
maybe it should be down to amount of kWh used.. it is unfair to give points to massive batteries. since that increase weight of the car. but should also include cost to do a 500 km or miles
I have an ID.Buzz. only had it three weeks but it's been cold or very cold ever since it was delivered. When it was 0ºC I was getting 1.9 miles per kWh, yesterday it was 8ºC and was seeing 2.5 miles per kWh.
You must be made up. Imagine getting into an ICE car and being told in summer it will do 40 mpg, but in winter it's 20 mpg and still celebrating the win. Obviously an ICE car will also deliver less mpg in the winter, but it's not a 50% reduction, and no one would champion those sort of numbers.
@@tkhodgson2 depends on your motivation, even at 1.9 miles per kWh that’s less than 4p per mile. And that 4p doesn’t pump any emissions into the city I’m driving through. In summer it will be less than 3p a mile. You must be made up that 80% of the energy you put into your car is pissed away in heat and noise.
@@tkhodgson2 ICE cars are less than 40% efficient to begin with so... Sure the wasted heat is not quite as wasted in winter when it is used to heat the cabin, but most of the time it is useless. And if you buy a modern efficient diesel you actually need extra heating if its cold enough. My 2012 Golf diesel had an auxiliary heater that would kick in to help keep the coolant temp up. The car was so "efficient" my coolant was down to 50C when driving down the mountain in -20C. Without the aux heater kicking in at 50C it would probably cool down even more as I used all the heat to keep my cabin warm. It would still consume 6-7L/100km in the cold. In summer I could get it down to around 4.5L/100km if I was driving careful and not on motorways.
My Born 60kw is about 30 miles down. 230 instead of 260 quoted. And thats having the heating on 20 degrees, which probably eats up half of that. So in reality its probaly closer to 15 to 20 miles it loses in 0-8 degrees. Far better than i thought it would do. And that is with me not taking it easy. I could probaly eek out a few more miles if i cared enough too.
Re: Public Charging Out of curiosity I tried the chargers at the new J33 M1 services yesterday, 20 Tesla super Chargers which I cant use, only 4x2 Applegreen 400kW (Claimed) for the rest of us. Charged for 20mins, 23kWh @ approx 75kW rate, cost £10.99 using my Volvo Charge card (£0.47/kWh). Only 3 of the 20 Tesla Chargers in use. 3 of the 8 Applegreen ones in use. Tesla seem to be given priority on these installations.
WLTP isn't really the same as MPG as it is influenced by the size of the battery/tank. Mi/kWh is more aligned with MPG and is just as important as range as it directly impacts the cost of running the vehicle.
I can see a huge spike in car sales pre-April 2025 then it will flat-line for anything over £40,000 as no-one will want to pay change out of £3000 over 5 years 'luxury car' tax. I firmly believe here in the UK we will see a rise in the under £40,000 cars being sold which will be the death nell for high end brands like Porche, BMW & Mercedes, almost like our Government was targeting these Companies !.
(MG4) I get 2.7 miles/kWh when temperatures are negative but my car doesn't have a heat pump and I always have AC, heated seats and steering wheel on. In summer I get 3.7miles/kWh.
Dave it's not possible to compare the UK to Norway. 80% of Norwegians have access to their own driveways. That's not a fair comparison to us in the UK.
Wow I did not realise we had 73.000 public chargers already in the UK we obviously need to get a lot more but that's good. You will still have people winging I wont get an EV because there's no where to charge even if there was 300.000.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I want the Model 2 to exist to put pressure on Legacy Automakers to meet the moment. I won't be buying Tesla, but I'd love to have a cheap EV available.
@@ronaldgarrison8478 I don't need an explanation, like I said, it's just a number. Do feel welcome to explain why it would be beneficial though. They're are no engineering projects relying on miles, there are no potential issues with accidentally mixing up units, such as only filling up with fuel in lbs instead of kg. We don't actively do anything interesting with miles except drive that distance and at a speed indicated by a number. We don't really care. Who is it a problem for and changing to km would solve what problem? An actual problem that HAS caused issues is road signs with heights where the height must be displayed in both imperial and metric and conversions have been done and rounded the wrong way. I remember a notable one where a guy knew the exact height of his Land Rover, saw the sign, went under the bridge and scraped the roof. He successfully sued the council because they measured in metric and rounded down after covering to imperial and the driver only knew the imperial height of his vehicle. With a national does limit of 60mph, that's actually rather useful since that's 1 mile per minute. Doesn't take any effort to know that 30 miles will take half an hour. Now let's use metric, that's 96.56064kmh... Not quite so snappy is it? 😁 Miles though? Convince me... 😉
Standard tests are designed to produce comparable, consistent and reproducible results. They are carried out in test conditions so they can be used for comparison. Real world conditions have many more variables and will doubtless produce different results. I have never owned a Tesla but wouldn't point the figure when one shouldn't expect the real world results to match the test conditions. Having said that consumers want tests to be as indicative as possible. I don't know this standard well enough to comment on scope for improving it to make it closer to real world performance. It is worth noting that it is normal for Norwegian models to have heat pumps whereas not all UK EVs have heat pumps.
Hi Dave. To me, this clip comes over very a bit to biased towards Tesla. I know they are great, and you own one but still struggled with some of the comments. Sorry you do a great job helping people understand the news, etc.
@@keithbrown339it’s poor know;edge, Elon only has a 20% shareholding in Tesla. The minute people realise that their pension companies have invested and therefore most people have a bit of “Tesla” benefitting them indirectly the better. If people want Tesla to fail one of the biggest companies in the world then they are hurting themselves.
On public charging, as always, while everywhere else is cheaper, it's the uk paying more. It proves they CAN do it when they want to. They CHOOSE not to cos us UK mugs will always pay up!!
Again, you create your own straw man argument, ridiculing an otherwise valid point by twisting it to the extreme (150 to 40 miles in the winter), which is by then such an extreme point that no one actually made it. Meanwhile, you claimed it yourself that you keep the range between 20 and 80%, which used to be the advice of the dealers and is common practice with many lithium ion or similar batteries. Norway keeps coming up as an example, but there is no mention of the extreme penalties and duties imposed on petrol or diesel passenger cars there. That country in a way does show the future, when traditional private motoring is a luxury.
You argue against yourself. Yes I keep my battery normally between 20% and 80% but at any time I can take it to 100% and let it drop to 5% at my choice. And Norway is not there to discuss ICE but to show that Lithium Ion batteries cope very well in sub zero temperatures. Please stop twisting what I actually said to fit an argument you are trying to make
@@davetakesiton @davetakesiton No, I'm not arguing against myself, I'm arguing with you as you may see. I made my brief point about Norway, I don't need to defend it. But how many of your videos feature these strawman techniques when you twist an otherwise valid argument, then use terms, like 'idiots', and casually replacing 'fuel' with 'fool' in various words and generally go on about "I told you so!"? What do you claim I twisted? Do you accept that you recently claimed in a video that you keep your charge between 20 and 80%? How would I be twisting this? Have you not started this video with a comment about some imaginary people and the figures of 150 miles range going down to 40, according to these imaginary people? Am I twisting this? What am I twisting and how, please?
@@davetakesiton By the way, who is "running around shouting" that "oh, the sky is falling in!" before making the point about incentives as you claimed? Or was this also the same imaginary person as the one decimating the winter range?
Thanks, Oh dear Tesla comes bottom in a league table, how sad, move on. Yes I did listen to your detailed explanation and the M3 would probably come very high up the league for miles/Kwh in Winter, and indeed Summer as well. I get nearly a 20% range loss in Winter, not bothered, at 7p/Kwh it is still very cheap motoring. ICE cars also lose range in Winter, drag is directly proportional to the air density which is higher in Winter.
There are 632 500 chargers across the EU and it is rumored that a recent hub application near to Toulouse airport was turned down because there are too many chargers in the vicinity! The worm has really turned.
A friend of mine in an upmarket dealership told me only yesterday that he was fed up with customers complaining about the reduction in the range of their expensive EV's during the cold. Don't shoot the messenger!
Did the salesperson at the dealer warn buyers at the point of sale? When I bought mine the salesperson did tell me what he was seeing as actual range vs stated range and also that it would lose some of that range in cold weather In telling me this he prevented a future complaint, had he lied or omitted to tell me then he was leaving himself open to a moan.
@@paulweston1106 He is the head of the sales team so I would imagine that he would have had a word with his troops by now! Perhaps the customers were overwhelmed by their new purchase ignoring any short comings. It is a rural area where people would naturally travel more mileage and local public chargers are at a bit of a premium. 👍
Maybe start telling people to get heatpump if possible. I know a lot of EVs are sold around Europe without one. It will start saving you energy at +10C easily and in milder climate with temps rarely below -5C its perfect. Here in Norway these are standard on most sold cars and helps a lot. They do obviously loose some efficiency at -15C or so, but then the PTC heater kicks in to help if needed.
@@johnr1066 we did. Clearly. What's your excuse for remaining in the Tesla cult after the mountain of evidence that Elon is a terrible human being and shouldn't be supported?
My word it's all coming out today! Calling truths myths, a slight redesign of some Ford SUV and calling it the Capri lmao! I mean, Polestar must have been laughing at Ford, as they now have a excellent looking car that looks like what the new Capri could have been! And picking a number of quoted bad bits from different comments that were somewhat extreme, then adding them all together for 1 result of 45 miles range is beyond stupid! Stick to the real world with you're comparisons. Of course, he is using a stupidly low number to make those test number look good....but they are not!! A nice underhanded try there! Funnily enough, the next video I'm watching is Ripping Yarns Ep.1 Season 2!
Elephant in the rooms ( again) EV charging costs are going to go strataspheric, in spring. Due to the lack of wind we have had over the winter or several dunkelflautes as the Germans call it . We have had to import gas like mad just to keep your milk floats running. Reckon at least another 10% increase in prices April. Our gas fire stations are at breaking point due to Edd Sillybands mad refusals to invest in any thing but renewables. Get ready for the lights to go out next winter, without a doubt. 😊😊
Well if your into a bit future guessing. Let's see when they regionalise the pricing framework, as is being discussed with government at the moment, then we'll see if those areas with high renewable generation turn out cheaper than those still dependent on natural gas based generation.
I completed a trip last week with temps less than 4c, Visiting Yorkshire, back to Lincoln and then to Nottingham and then back home. Got back with 8 miles left on my Tesla Model3 RWD. I had left with the LFP battery at 100% charging at 7p per kWh. Around 225 miles with sentry mode used overnight and at Nottingham. Cost me £4.25 to fill it up. Range is usually around 268 miles shown on the screen.
I have found the Tesla will not meet the WLTP shown as 318 miles. However I am often 4 to 5 miles per kWh, that I feel is a far better way of stating it.
Likewise my Kia E Niro had a claimed 278 miles and I was able to meet this in the summer. In the winter mine was reaching 220 miles with 3-4 miles per kWh.
Great update Dave!
Today I left home after de-icing my windows of the car. (zero celsius). Arriving at my destination, 122 miles away I had 58% battery left. This was with headwind. Temp at destination 4 degrees celsius.
In the afternoon back, 7 degrees celsius getting to 5 degrees . Wind had shifted and was from the side. Drove a little faster (average) because less traffic around. Also following a 3 miles longer route. I came home with 12% battery left. about 244 miles (375 km). 45 km range left (which brings the range of today on 420 km). WLTP range is 430 km...but due to traffic today I was on average some slower as normal.
No recharge needed for more than 400 km today during the route. (Oh, if necessary I could have charged at a level 2 public ac charger at my destination. A few free charging spots....but charging at home saves a lot of money)
In other words...Which range issues in winter? I do not know them (after 13 years driving electric...much longer even than any real government pushing towards electric.
Do you have an electric car with 600 or 800 volt battery technology?
@@alanhowemusic2457 Korean 800V tech.
In winter a lot of my range goes on pre-heating the car twice a day for my daily commute, the range is always going to be much better when just doing one continuous journey but that is not how the majority of EV drivers use their cars. I have never understood the obsession with the ‘how far will they go’ type of videos we see all the time on RUclips. How about a typical usage test that most of us actually do, a daily commute to work, school run, popping to the shops etc over the course of a week & see how many miles the cars achieve.
I have a vw id7 tourer. Real world range is around 300 miles when the temperature is above 13 deg. (4.3 m per kwh) But it drops to around 260 when temp is 6 degrees and even less if freezing. But i would never go back to ice now.
Heatpump or not? I've seen some test around Europe showing the "cold" weather efficiency quite reduced because it is optional outside the Nordics.
I think the Model 3 in question was the long range yes? So around 75kWh usable battery size - still much better efficiency than the Polestar as you say :) And RoboCab in Texas in June :)
My week is complete with a cup of tea 🫖and a biscuits🍪 and watching dave takes it on talk about public charging dispensers 😊
Interesting life then!
I waste about 5 seconds in total, looking at my fuel gauge 3 times before needing to fill up on day 10 or 11.
Waste another 2/3 minutes at the pump and forget about it all for another 11+ days.
@@stevecoinitin7521. I plug in at night and unplug in the morning. Takes about 60s
Interestingly, when I precondition my Renauld Mégane the level of charge on my battery, at the most, decreases by 1%, sometimes it doesn't fall at all. Now, because I live on quite a long hill, and use regenerative breaking, i nearly always gain back more than the small amount that I have lost in the first place. Which is nice😁
I live in Switzerland (cold climate is normal)... Over the last 6250 km my 2021 Porsche Taycan 4S had an avg consumption of 20.1 kWh/100 km. The range with the 93.4 kWh performance plus battery in winter is ca 360 km in 4 deg C, in summer I'll get about 440 km. Excellent efficiency in my opinion.
It would be interesting to compare kerb weights of these vehicle as weight always has a major impact on energy usage.
Hello Dave, I have a couple of points, first my ORA can only charge at 60KW so what is the point of using a 350 KW plus charger, my WLTP is 193 miles, but in this cold weather will only charge to 121 miles or 62%, does this mean my battery is faulty, I only use it around town so rarely goes above 30 MPH, it's 17 months old with less than 5000 miles done, when my lease ends in sept I will probably buy a second hand EV to miss the depreciation also why do some manufactures omit the rear wiper, this is my main gripe about the car as the rear window gets very mucky, but on the positive side like the feature to turn on the A/C before getting in the car
Just fyi. The Tesla is a LR and has 75-79 kWh
The range in winter is still impressive.
maybe it should be down to amount of kWh used.. it is unfair to give points to massive batteries. since that increase weight of the car.
but should also include cost to do a 500 km or miles
I had a semi once. Lots of promise but ultimately inadequate.
I have a Lexus RZ 450e, it won't do 200 miles on a full charge in the summer. Now we're in winter range is more like 130 miles !!
My 9 yr old Model S 90D, gets 242 miles in summer and 211 in winter, it has 110,000 miles on the odometer.
I have an ID.Buzz. only had it three weeks but it's been cold or very cold ever since it was delivered. When it was 0ºC I was getting 1.9 miles per kWh, yesterday it was 8ºC and was seeing 2.5 miles per kWh.
You must be made up. Imagine getting into an ICE car and being told in summer it will do 40 mpg, but in winter it's 20 mpg and still celebrating the win. Obviously an ICE car will also deliver less mpg in the winter, but it's not a 50% reduction, and no one would champion those sort of numbers.
I apologise, just realised it's only a 40% drop in efficiency
@@tkhodgson2 depends on your motivation, even at 1.9 miles per kWh that’s less than 4p per mile. And that 4p doesn’t pump any emissions into the city I’m driving through. In summer it will be less than 3p a mile.
You must be made up that 80% of the energy you put into your car is pissed away in heat and noise.
@@tkhodgson2Here, Here🤗
@@tkhodgson2 ICE cars are less than 40% efficient to begin with so... Sure the wasted heat is not quite as wasted in winter when it is used to heat the cabin, but most of the time it is useless. And if you buy a modern efficient diesel you actually need extra heating if its cold enough. My 2012 Golf diesel had an auxiliary heater that would kick in to help keep the coolant temp up. The car was so "efficient" my coolant was down to 50C when driving down the mountain in -20C. Without the aux heater kicking in at 50C it would probably cool down even more as I used all the heat to keep my cabin warm. It would still consume 6-7L/100km in the cold. In summer I could get it down to around 4.5L/100km if I was driving careful and not on motorways.
Every other advert at the cinema is for an EV
The cost to change HW3 to HW4 Tesla should just give that as discount towards new Tesla and transfer FSD to new vehicle
My Born 60kw is about 30 miles down. 230 instead of 260 quoted. And thats having the heating on 20 degrees, which probably eats up half of that.
So in reality its probaly closer to 15 to 20 miles it loses in 0-8 degrees. Far better than i thought it would do. And that is with me not taking it easy. I could probaly eek out a few more miles if i cared enough too.
Re: Public Charging
Out of curiosity I tried the chargers at the new J33 M1 services yesterday, 20 Tesla super Chargers which I cant use, only 4x2 Applegreen 400kW (Claimed) for the rest of us. Charged for 20mins, 23kWh @ approx 75kW rate, cost £10.99 using my Volvo Charge card (£0.47/kWh).
Only 3 of the 20 Tesla Chargers in use.
3 of the 8 Applegreen ones in use.
Tesla seem to be given priority on these installations.
WLTP isn't really the same as MPG as it is influenced by the size of the battery/tank. Mi/kWh is more aligned with MPG and is just as important as range as it directly impacts the cost of running the vehicle.
I can see a huge spike in car sales pre-April 2025 then it will flat-line for anything over £40,000 as no-one will want to pay change out of £3000 over 5 years 'luxury car' tax. I firmly believe here in the UK we will see a rise in the under £40,000 cars being sold which will be the death nell for high end brands like Porche, BMW & Mercedes, almost like our Government was targeting these Companies !.
Spike yes, end no. Is it the end of rolls Royce and Ferrari? Of course not but will be boom time for £20-25k EVs
(MG4) I get 2.7 miles/kWh when temperatures are negative but my car doesn't have a heat pump and I always have AC, heated seats and steering wheel on. In summer I get 3.7miles/kWh.
excelent work m8
Hi Dave, it may be me but I have some 50Hz hum on the audio of this video.
definite hum, not sure I could confirm 50 Hz :)
@@JohnDoe-k7p2j Could be 49.93, but definitely no lower than that 😂
Dave it's not possible to compare the UK to Norway. 80% of Norwegians have access to their own driveways. That's not a fair comparison to us in the UK.
Norway has many chargers on the streets of towns and cities link to your 80% figure please.
Wow I did not realise we had 73.000 public chargers already in the UK we obviously need to get a lot more but that's good. You will still have people winging I wont get an EV because there's no where to charge even if there was 300.000.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I want the Model 2 to exist to put pressure on Legacy Automakers to meet the moment. I won't be buying Tesla, but I'd love to have a cheap EV available.
Isn't it about time the UK finished going metric? Miles??? One foot in the Future, one in the Past.
It's just a number, what's the difference?
When I drive in the UK, car is set to miles, when I drive it in Europe, I set it to kilometres.
Simple!
@@djtaylorutube If you need an explanation, you would not be satisfied with any I could provide.
@@ronaldgarrison8478 I don't need an explanation, like I said, it's just a number. Do feel welcome to explain why it would be beneficial though.
They're are no engineering projects relying on miles, there are no potential issues with accidentally mixing up units, such as only filling up with fuel in lbs instead of kg.
We don't actively do anything interesting with miles except drive that distance and at a speed indicated by a number.
We don't really care.
Who is it a problem for and changing to km would solve what problem?
An actual problem that HAS caused issues is road signs with heights where the height must be displayed in both imperial and metric and conversions have been done and rounded the wrong way. I remember a notable one where a guy knew the exact height of his Land Rover, saw the sign, went under the bridge and scraped the roof.
He successfully sued the council because they measured in metric and rounded down after covering to imperial and the driver only knew the imperial height of his vehicle.
With a national does limit of 60mph, that's actually rather useful since that's 1 mile per minute. Doesn't take any effort to know that 30 miles will take half an hour.
Now let's use metric, that's 96.56064kmh... Not quite so snappy is it? 😁
Miles though? Convince me... 😉
I doubt if tesla will produce more than one new car this year
Now that I totally disagree. I will plump for 2 besides the refresh Model Y
My bog standard Tesla 3,will not do above 150 in winter.
Standard tests are designed to produce comparable, consistent and reproducible results. They are carried out in test conditions so they can be used for comparison. Real world conditions have many more variables and will doubtless produce different results. I have never owned a Tesla but wouldn't point the figure when one shouldn't expect the real world results to match the test conditions. Having said that consumers want tests to be as indicative as possible. I don't know this standard well enough to comment on scope for improving it to make it closer to real world performance.
It is worth noting that it is normal for Norwegian models to have heat pumps whereas not all UK EVs have heat pumps.
Hi Dave. To me, this clip comes over very a bit to biased towards Tesla. I know they are great, and you own one but still struggled with some of the comments. Sorry you do a great job helping people understand the news, etc.
Not always easy finding the balance. Some people are life long Tesla fans some aren’t and some absolutely hate Elon. Can’t please them all
@davetakesiton yes I do understand. I love tesla but more and more can not stand Elon. I now believe Elon is Tesla's biggest liability.
@@keithbrown339it’s poor know;edge, Elon only has a 20% shareholding in Tesla. The minute people realise that their pension companies have invested and therefore most people have a bit of “Tesla” benefitting them indirectly the better. If people want Tesla to fail one of the biggest companies in the world then they are hurting themselves.
On public charging, as always, while everywhere else is cheaper, it's the uk paying more. It proves they CAN do it when they want to. They CHOOSE not to cos us UK mugs will always pay up!!
Again, you create your own straw man argument, ridiculing an otherwise valid point by twisting it to the extreme (150 to 40 miles in the winter), which is by then such an extreme point that no one actually made it. Meanwhile, you claimed it yourself that you keep the range between 20 and 80%, which used to be the advice of the dealers and is common practice with many lithium ion or similar batteries.
Norway keeps coming up as an example, but there is no mention of the extreme penalties and duties imposed on petrol or diesel passenger cars there. That country in a way does show the future, when traditional private motoring is a luxury.
You argue against yourself. Yes I keep my battery normally between 20% and 80% but at any time I can take it to 100% and let it drop to 5% at my choice. And Norway is not there to discuss ICE but to show that Lithium Ion batteries cope very well in sub zero temperatures. Please stop twisting what I actually said to fit an argument you are trying to make
@@davetakesiton @davetakesiton No, I'm not arguing against myself, I'm arguing with you as you may see. I made my brief point about Norway, I don't need to defend it. But how many of your videos feature these strawman techniques when you twist an otherwise valid argument, then use terms, like 'idiots', and casually replacing 'fuel' with 'fool' in various words and generally go on about "I told you so!"?
What do you claim I twisted? Do you accept that you recently claimed in a video that you keep your charge between 20 and 80%? How would I be twisting this?
Have you not started this video with a comment about some imaginary people and the figures of 150 miles range going down to 40, according to these imaginary people? Am I twisting this?
What am I twisting and how, please?
@@davetakesiton By the way, who is "running around shouting" that "oh, the sky is falling in!" before making the point about incentives as you claimed? Or was this also the same imaginary person as the one decimating the winter range?
Thanks, Oh dear Tesla comes bottom in a league table, how sad, move on. Yes I did listen to your detailed explanation and the M3 would probably come very high up the league for miles/Kwh in Winter, and indeed Summer as well.
I get nearly a 20% range loss in Winter, not bothered, at 7p/Kwh it is still very cheap motoring. ICE cars also lose range in Winter, drag is directly proportional to the air density which is higher in Winter.
There are 632 500 chargers across the EU and it is rumored that a recent hub application near to Toulouse airport was turned down because there are too many chargers in the vicinity! The worm has really turned.
Perhaps you could ask the Chinese to come over and install the EV chargers if you are struggling?
Thank you.
A friend of mine in an upmarket dealership told me only yesterday that he was fed up with customers complaining about the reduction in the range of their expensive EV's during the cold. Don't shoot the messenger!
Did the salesperson at the dealer warn buyers at the point of sale?
When I bought mine the salesperson did tell me what he was seeing as actual range vs stated range and also that it would lose some of that range in cold weather In telling me this he prevented a future complaint, had he lied or omitted to tell me then he was leaving himself open to a moan.
@@paulweston1106 He is the head of the sales team so I would imagine that he would have had a word with his troops by now! Perhaps the customers were overwhelmed by their new purchase ignoring any short comings. It is a rural area where people would naturally travel more mileage and local public chargers are at a bit of a premium. 👍
Maybe start telling people to get heatpump if possible. I know a lot of EVs are sold around Europe without one. It will start saving you energy at +10C easily and in milder climate with temps rarely below -5C its perfect.
Here in Norway these are standard on most sold cars and helps a lot. They do obviously loose some efficiency at -15C or so, but then the PTC heater kicks in to help if needed.
Tesla, still supporting a fascist ? hm just asking.
Lol
Well clearly some of the profits go into Fuhrer's pocket.
Yup, bury the head in the sand and pretend everything is fine. The fanboys are a lost bunch
I think you mean " just trolling"😂
But yes, like most successful capitalists, Musk is a psychopath, as of course is Trump.
Oh, grow up.
@@johnr1066 we did. Clearly. What's your excuse for remaining in the Tesla cult after the mountain of evidence that Elon is a terrible human being and shouldn't be supported?
My word it's all coming out today!
Calling truths myths, a slight redesign of some Ford SUV and calling it the Capri lmao!
I mean, Polestar must have been laughing at Ford, as they now have a excellent looking car that looks like what the new Capri could have been!
And picking a number of quoted bad bits from different comments that were somewhat extreme, then adding them all together for 1 result of 45 miles range is beyond stupid! Stick to the real world with you're comparisons.
Of course, he is using a stupidly low number to make those test number look good....but they are not!!
A nice underhanded try there!
Funnily enough, the next video I'm watching is Ripping Yarns Ep.1 Season 2!
Elephant in the rooms ( again) EV charging costs are going to go strataspheric, in spring. Due to the lack of wind we have had over the winter or several dunkelflautes as the Germans call it . We have had to import gas like mad just to keep your milk floats running. Reckon at least another 10% increase in prices April. Our gas fire stations are at breaking point due to Edd Sillybands mad refusals to invest in any thing but renewables. Get ready for the lights to go out next winter, without a doubt. 😊😊
Cristal ball working over time 😂
Well if your into a bit future guessing. Let's see when they regionalise the pricing framework, as is being discussed with government at the moment, then we'll see if those areas with high renewable generation turn out cheaper than those still dependent on natural gas based generation.
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