Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games ruclips.net/user/postUgkxECnmSvBSv_NGWx4_ChD73pF3NYZwI2F3 and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!
I lost my 10 year old female Dutch Sheperd this year to a stomach tumor. I got her at 8 months old. She was my service dog and best friend through some of the toughest times of my life. I miss her terribly. In many ways she was the exception to the rule when it comes to Dutchies and I was very fortunate. Although, she still had some very strong personality traits that were challenging. I learned a lot as a handler having her. Fast forward to today and the decision to get another dog. All things considered and some advice from you in a previous video about getting a Belgian Malinois/Dutch Sheperd …. I now have a Golden Retriever puppy … lol
@@dogmom4710 Thank you. Yes, but at the moment it’s mostly from having my first puppy from 8 weeks old …lol She is now almost 3 1/2 months old and a handful. I honestly won’t have much to compare until she gets to the 8 month mark.
Mine is a solid black shepherd. His first five years was spent around livestock. It was perfect for his intense drive. after my right foot was amputated in 2016 I retrained him for my service dog . No regrets except I know I slow him down. He's almost twelve years old and still gets excited when he sees livestock. I trained him for mobility assistance and support. With his help I don't have to avoid the outdoors or using stairs. No regrets training him for second job. He friendly with people and obsessed with my well-being. We never have a dull moment. I do love the golden retriever. Mine passed away in 2004. Gunther was an amputee as well. He was with me for twelve years. It was his rear left leg that had been amputated. He lived a full normal life. Mine is the right foot BKA.
I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved dog.. I have a dutchie girl... she is 2,5..yrs. She is a very calm and has the best off button ever so there is some great ones out there , but BOY there are some challenges as well just as you experienced yourself. .. I am so happy to read about how you changed that dogs life
This was super helpful, I have a female Malinois who has a bite record, at 14 months she had no training and likely no socialization at the proper time, I was her last chance. During training she's very drivey, smart and loves to work but also has a great off-switch. You reinforced what I've been doing and added some new things to my training repertoire. Thank you.
Love this -this is so informative. Dutch shepherds are A force to be reckoned with. I’ve never seen a more manipulative breed or a more intelligent breed. If you’re not careful they will quickly get you to do their bidding.
Những gì bạn nói hoàn toàn đúng con cún của mình giờ đây nó Là người điều khiển mình chứ không phải mình Là chủ của nó Lý do Là từ bé mình đã chiều nó và giờ đây nó đã Làm chủ Lại mình
Some animals the handler needs to be able to not "trust the trust" with. Ever. It takes a specific/peculiar mindset in a person to be able to hold that line at all time, every time the person is with the dog, for every day of that dog's life. Just hanging out is the time when some dogs will try to get their handler, bc that is the time when the actual relationship between dog and handler is playing out. Imo, what happened between Mace and his handler does not change the fact that Mace is a great dog and his owner is a capable handler. Hats off to the handler for recognizing that him and Mace both need different things.
If I recall correctly it was Chris Fraize who said "dogs are social opportunists". Mace is definitely one of those types of dogs. "Micro behaviors" - I see this amongst my two intact male GSDs. The play they do is also a test of strength. To be clear neither of my GSDs are even close to the intensity of Mace, but I see those little moments and as such they are not allowed to interact freely or for long. I don't want them to think they can fight for rank, so better to prevent it. I think your assessment is spot on and respect the humility in that you may have misread what is an appropriate situation and handler for Mace. I think there are only a very small minority of handler/trainers that can safely and consistently handle this dog and I say that humbly myself, Mace would be way too much dog for me as well. Good luck with him, I hope he stays with you as he deserves to have a good life and none of the "blue juice" if at all possible.
The Fraize's are con artists and have scammed 10s of thousands of dollars from people. They neglect their dogs and the dogs left in their care for "training". And they got a dog (Fugg) from a shelter and dropped him back off like 6mos later at a different kill shelter. They don't own a legitimate business and take payments under the table. This guy has been around many states and worn out his welcome. There are a TON of personal accounts of this type of shitty behavior and preying on people and their dogs. Do not believe anything they say, they don't know what "truth" even means.
I think Haz nailed it - Mace will suck you into letting your guard down + not a fan of going back to his kennel (with minor physical tells). I wonder if he can be desensitized to going back to his kennel or maybe even conditioned to look forward to going into his kennel. Then again with the extremes he's capable of, could you be trading one problem for another?
Really good to hear you talking the situation through and how you’re going about working more with him to make him as safe as a dog like Mace can be - he’s a beautiful dog. Thanks for sharing this with us.
I just bumped into this video by accident. You are very well educated with experience. Anyone who worked with dogs, can see from your timing between commands, corrections reward. That’s all spot on. But the best part is that you are a good communicator. All demos with simple and to the point explanation. Just wow. All best to you and your family + crew from England 🏴🇵🇱🫡
Mace looks just like my Czech GSD, just with different colours. Your advice, using Mace as an example, has been incredibly helpful in my training my dominant Blockhead. He’s also a “big playful goof” until he put teeth in me! 🤣 He will always be a spicy goofball blockhead, but watching your videos and listening to your advice has meant he will be with us until he’s old, grey, and reaches his natural end. He won’t be given up on, he won’t be discarded, our dog is with us for life, not just until they become a handful! 😁👍
Awesome video and assessment, I have put dogs down for less but I regretted it. Wish I had had your knowledge at the time or even my limited knowledge now.
Absolutely beautiful dog- He's honestly probably too much dog for any police department as well... Not quite sure where he fits, but cool to see such a force regardless.
I have a dutchie. She’s the best dog I’ve ever had. I love her so much. ❤. She’s so smart and follows commands so well and protective but calls off the easily.
I had a Siberian Husky who had a high drive and had this same personality. I was putting him and my Rottweiler in their kennels in the winter, I slipped and fell, my Siberian immediately came at my neck, if my Rottweiler wasn't there, I would have been severely injured. My Rottie protected me against the attack. I believe Siberians to be "safer" than Dutch Shepherds but i can definitely understand the dog trying to take advantage of a situation when they are trying to be dominant. My Siberian was very difficult to train and tested me constantly. I never let my guard down with him after that and made sure my Rottie was by my side when dealing with him. Great video and explanation.
I had a similar dog, a husky mix with a serious attitude and drive. Could never ever let him 'win' a standoff. Lucky for me he was all bluff and never took it to a real bite
Really appreciate the honesty & transparency Haz. A lot of trainers would shy away from explaining what exactly went down, and probably not even put it out there that anything occurred in the first place. You broke down your diagnosis of what you thought happened in an excellent manner, teaching the likes of me who likes to think they know a lot but no where near as much as yourself! Every day is a day in school, & listening to the likes of you, Larry & Robert Cabral I'm learning so much about working dogs, stuff you would never learn from a book or positive only online course. So a huge thank you 🐶👌 I do believe in a working breed that is a "balanced breed" ex - GS, Collies, even rotties to an extent, would you put Dutch's in the category of breed that is slightly unbalanced because of there unpredictable nature?
Sounds like most of what I predicted on the last video was more or less on point lol Mace is just the type of dog who'll take a mile if you give him an inch. Sounds like his attack was more a test for dominance and getting whatever he had in his mind that he wanted (or didn't want). But it does say a lot that he popped right off the bite, the whole incident sounds like it went a lot better than I first assumed it had gone. I've no doubts Mace could've gone a lot further and done more damage if that was actually his intention, considering we've seen what he did to your bicep through a bite suit.
Awesome video! One of the best training videos I've seen demonstrating the psychology of these magnificent creatures and what it takes to be a good handler for a dominant high drive working dog. I'm in love with shepherds but had ruled out Mals. Was open to considering a Dutchie - but not now! After watching your channel it looks like a GSD is going to be the best fit. Thank you for your honesty and sharing the realities of these breeds.
I've always liked Mace and what he and you have accomplished in your training program. I would not criticize the injured handler or the dog for what happened since I was not there. Good luck with him. I hope that you can keep him if you are able to.
Great video. I'm traveling by RV with my Heeler that has a tendency to be a bit reactive about dog's yapping nearby. I started running place drills with the ball kinda like the earlier part of this video when neighbor dogs bark in the RV park. Totally takes the edge off for my dog. About 5 to 10 minutes and he's ignoring the nonsense around us. Also, very interesting to hear your detailed interpretation on what happened with Mace.
Just like my Bolo. Might wanna address on another video about “Loving your dog to death, literally.” Can’t give too much affection to these type of dogs, or they take it as a sign of weakness
You just verified my exact thoughts about the Mallenois as a breed. They really need hard work and discipline to be happy. I even read someone calling them Malligators. 😄
This makes me more grateful for my GSD. He is so good natured with people and so willing to be a part of my family but he will do everything protective related that I need. He may not be as hard hitting or bad to the bone, but he's enough for my family and very capable with the right training. I'm glad we don't have to wrestle with that level of dog on a daily basis, too much for us. Thank you for posting this video as well as being honest with people. These types of dogs are not general family pets for the average family and should not be handled as such. Hopefully other people watching will think twice before going for a Dutchie.
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@@tyy6161he would play bite as a puppy. I never tolerated it with the boys but it was extremely challenging to get him to stop. At 6 months old we purchased an ecollar and it was a game changer. With the right execution it will do wonders. They playbite a ton until they teeth, just how they express excitement and play being Shepherds. He has growled at the boys twice and those times he was instantly corrected and it honestly was something my children did to invade his space. Hand fed as a puppy off commands established an understood relationship that I'm in charge and control the food, not him. By and large, GSD is an amazing family pet and will protect you with its life if genetically correct with temperament. Very smart, very loyal, very easy to train. That being said, training and socialization is a requirement for these dogs to properly flourish and not be a liability. Done properly, your best friend and second to none. Outstanding dogs.
I have a pretty gnarly gsd and have been around a very gnarly ddr gsd and they are nice but my next dog I want a dog like mace. I know they aren’t for everyone or even hardly anyone but that level of intensity and challenge of working with it excites me. I am good friends with a guy that has a 3yr old dutchie very much like this and he is incredible and dangerous as six shooter in Alex Baldwin’s hand lol.
Its a powerful nice dog but like a loaded weapon, much too dangerous to be around relaxing, you always have to be the leader, that is very demanding and tiring. Is is worth it? Depends on who you are and what you need this dog for.
No no no Never worth it. People think an unhinged dog is cool to have. A stable well balanced NON handler aggressive dog is the way to go. A top tier protection, police K 9 etc dog is NEVER handler aggressive. If you need to feed your arm to have permanent nerve damage just so it doesn’t kill you is total BS! The most decorated beast of a Dutch yet non handler aggressive police K9 in Ct history (mine) broke the stereotype that you need a psychotic beast to be a real working dog. Literally ripped and ate flesh off suspects but did not dare challenge my authority. Just saying
I had a serious GSD that was dominant. He was ALWAYS testing me and challenging me. It is VERY exhausting and even more exhausting. Dogs like Mace are not for most people.
This is all really interesting. More games I can play with my girl. 51/2 year old Malinois, had her since a pup. She loves playing, and loves the ball. I'm looking for new games because we used to play tug alot,, which she loves, but as I've got holder i'm not as strong, and I get ragged around too much, i'm not as up for it as I was a couple of years ago. I usually get accidental injuries, sore arm, scrapes of teeth or nails, not fun for me. None of it is intentional just her boistrous play. She does respect me and listens to me. She has too. But i'm learning so much of the detail with dogs on your channel.
Anyone thinking of getting one of these needs to watch this. Real talk no BS. I can tell he’s Dutch and Dutch KNPV is what he seems to be which is what mine is and they’re exactly like this. They need a fair firm hand.
I adopted what I thought was a German Shepherd from the shelter at 6 weeks. I think she is a Dutch Shepherd or a Belgian Malinios. She is super sweet but she pushes her boundaries especially with me and my son. She bites and she has body slammed me playing in the yard. She really listens to my husband. She will hide behind me when he tries to discipline her.
Watching this video again after all this months just thinking that the system buying a 6 month old youngster is what makes it difficult for the dog to understand body language while not in working modus Keeping Dutchies as a family member and pet i never realized how much time it took me to "train" impulse control playing rough - just because that's what I mostly enjoy to do with them And each of my 3 Dutchies had more than one different triggers which needed to be desensitized No, after all this years I realize it finally And yes, of course I also "work /ed" with all of them daily multiple times, but of course as a non professional and not even for sports Thank you again, hope Mace is still fine, missing updates 😂
Haz, I’ve never dealt with a dog like this and don’t want to lol but I’m curious…what would you do to correct Mace if he did not comply with your commands? I’m asking about pressure as I assume physical pressure may be counter productive? You mentioned vocal pressure - can you speak to proper and safe pressure tactics with dogs like him sometime pls?
I had to chuckle at 9:57 when he was talking abt friend/playmate stance vs daddy stance, and at that very moment Mace jumped up and tapped the treat hand with his nose, rather than waiting for it to be given to him. Actually, I wondered if it could be similar to something like ocd, or maybe even autism spectrum-like, such as, when I do THIS I get THIS, AND my brain has recorded it never taking longer than .85555 of a second. So, if that time is approaching and I’ve not gotten it yet, I start feeling out of sorts bc something has gone awry in my world.
Zak can get a squeaky toy and he'll climb in to the crate first and they can cuddle in there! sounds great! Mace would love it, Zak could retire from the views and pay for his new robot body after mace is finished digesting the old one.
Love your content! I have a reactive 7 month old working line GSD. A lot of which is impulse control issue. Any pointers. I wish you were closer to come to a class!
I've recently had a very similar thing with my butch shepard. He's 2 years old, I've own him for 18 months and work him every day. Turned around 1 day to see him running and me and clamped onto my chest. Had to force him onto my arm and kennal him for a day. Now he's back to his normal self and working hard. I always make a joke about Dutchies and say the hace bipolar
Best idea I've read all week. Give Zac the dog for free, just make it happen! I think you're in the wrong ball park with hours. I give Zac seconds, as soon as Mace figures out Zac couldn't lead a fat kid to a cake shop Mace will take his arm off as a trophy.
I tried watching Zack. For me he's ridiculous. I find him to be a waste of time. His methods probably endanger the dog and it's owner. Could be his final episode one day !
Zak can get a squeaky toy and he'll climb in to the crate first and they can cuddle in there! sounds great! Mace would love it, Zak could retire from the views and pay for his new robot body.
I had an issue like this with a Czech German Shepherd. I was the main handler but he spent a lot of time with my mother and became extremely protective. I was a very green handler at that time so I relied to much on an E-collar
I have been thinking about him so many times..The video from the Netherlands broke mye heart.. It is so nice to see how he has blossomed.. I actually tought that he was dead by now.. How is his teeth doing? I bet they added to the problem.
Honest question brother. Wouldn’t mace being this unpredictable make it a genetic flaw? How do we know his behavior isn’t because he’s just mentally unstable.and blacked out. I’ve heard of a few owners of duruchies describing how their Dutch shepherd did the same exact thing this dog to them. They just snapped and it turns out it’s a form of seizure. Why breed this dog if he’s that dangerous to handle. Because frankly he’s liable to turn on the handler for any reason and it seems like his list of what triggers him is yet to be discovered fully. I get the whip intense breed and working, but
I’m laughing out loud because all those micro aggressions are what they do. The shepherd in them is the goody and I’m just playin and oh nah. You can’t let any of that go with them. And leash work even in the house is important. They are ones that will continue to try their boundaries and where they stand and they’re lookin at you like okay as long as you’ve got that ish imma follow you. Lose it and he’s gonna be running roughshod. The inmate will definitely be running the show. And if your not into continually working on this and continue to build and just understanding that they’re gonna push you to be accountable. You bought em they’re gonna push you to work with then not just work them.
Wow just saw your video of Mace from a year ago when you had him in his Kennel for a few days because you just had got him. Now clicked on this video what a difference. What environment is best suited for Mace? If you were getting him in with a new handler?
The only dog i had bad dreams over, when i was younger is the dutchie. One in particular in late 90's was like a great white and sucked you into the bite and wanted to all out murder you. Not bite, protect his handler, but murder into pieces 😂. I still have some scars. Much love for the sharp ones. No one wants a cat in a sack!
Having worked with him for awhile now after biting incident do you think you can safely rehome him? Is the risk too high to do so? From a legal standpoint is it even worth it?
Good afternoon shield k9, A question....do you take your working dogs for a walk? Or is it just work when they are out of the cage? It all seems very intense, & confusing for the dogs. It seems a sad and unnatural life for them.
Our male Dutch Shepherd growled and bit my wife for no reason. He loved spending time with me but hassled my wife everyday. We rehomed him. I love this breed but my wife is afraid of this type of dog.
I am in no way anyone to listen to, however - I wonder if the error the handler made was being comfortable having mace “meander” around the workshop after only a few months of being together. That seems like the over arching error from the story you tell. As you said, mace did loose, and it sounds like the handler is an actual gangster. That must have hurt so bad - I hope I never know. As mentioned, that is my only thought and would enjoy someone else’s opinion.
Lastly, I think you should keep mace. I think your system is one of the few that mace would actually thrive in. Absolute business, 100% of the time. Very few people want a dog like that, and the system you have is really the only place that can offer that.
That is the largest bodied, least brindle, largest headed, shortest nosed Dutch Shepherd I've ever seen. By like 30%. . Mines like 47 lbs but a full blooded ds girl. I'd bet everything I have that isn't a DS.
Growing up we only had pitbulls. I never even imagined a dog could have the mindset that Malinois have, and to be honest sometimes it's a bit unnerving to have this beast at home. I got off him off a family member's hands who couldn't handle his dogs and gave them away. I love him but he's actually bit me four times, and I think I've handled it well, and it only has happened within the first two months, but... why do people want these dogs?
IMPORTANT ..... Before you fall in LOVE with the face ( UNAVOIDABLE ) fall in love with the REAR END, weed out bad breeders and save your self & dog pain and hurt !!!
Dutchies are more tied to the handler than say a Mal. I can see why they’ve nicknamed Mals the pits of the shepherds. The Shepherd in the Dutchies is very noticeable. They’re more needy so you’ve gotta have better boundaries and crate work from day one on is imperative. And get the plastic crates. Plastic.
Wow! I have no experience with dogs like Mace. I am glad you advise people against trying to adopt similar dogs as family pets. The only two dogs I have owned have been incredibly gentle and eager to please. I presume dogs like Mace are better suited to police work.
The big question is, given he had reservations about biting the handler AND he lost the encounter, COULD the handler take him back? EDIT: only at 17:00 so maybe you cover it in the last 8 minutes
Do you have already excluded neurological disorders ? I am asking because some neurological conditions can lead to aggression like the rage syndrom.The behavior associated with Rage Syndrome includes outbursts of aggression that are intense and at times unpredictable. These episodes also tend to be large dramatic responses relative to a seemingly benign situation. Affected dogs often freeze, stare, and may rapidly escalate to biting.
Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games ruclips.net/user/postUgkxECnmSvBSv_NGWx4_ChD73pF3NYZwI2F3 and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!
I lost my 10 year old female Dutch Sheperd this year to a stomach tumor.
I got her at 8 months old.
She was my service dog and best friend through some of the toughest times of my life.
I miss her terribly.
In many ways she was the exception to the rule when it comes to Dutchies and I was very fortunate.
Although, she still had some very strong personality traits that were challenging.
I learned a lot as a handler having her.
Fast forward to today and the decision to get another dog.
All things considered and some advice from you in a previous video about getting a Belgian Malinois/Dutch Sheperd …. I now have a Golden Retriever puppy … lol
Sorry about your Dutchie. Such a hard loss. Is the golden a shock in comparison to the Dutchie?
@@dogmom4710 Thank you.
Yes, but at the moment it’s mostly from having my first puppy from 8 weeks old …lol
She is now almost 3 1/2 months old and a handful.
I honestly won’t have much to compare until she gets to the 8 month mark.
So Sorry for your loss, I hope you enjoy your new Pup just as much 🐾🐶🐾
Mine is a solid black shepherd. His first five years was spent around livestock. It was perfect for his intense drive. after my right foot was amputated in 2016 I retrained him for my service dog . No regrets except I know I slow him down. He's almost twelve years old and still gets excited when he sees livestock. I trained him for mobility assistance and support. With his help I don't have to avoid the outdoors or using stairs. No regrets training him for second job. He friendly with people and obsessed with my well-being. We never have a dull moment. I do love the golden retriever. Mine passed away in 2004. Gunther was an amputee as well. He was with me for twelve years. It was his rear left leg that had been amputated. He lived a full normal life. Mine is the right foot BKA.
I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved dog.. I have a dutchie girl... she is 2,5..yrs. She is a very calm and has the best off button ever so there is some great ones out there , but BOY there are some challenges as well just as you experienced yourself. .. I am so happy to read about how you changed that dogs life
This was super helpful, I have a female Malinois who has a bite record, at 14 months she had no training and likely no socialization at the proper time, I was her last chance. During training she's very drivey, smart and loves to work but also has a great off-switch. You reinforced what I've been doing and added some new things to my training repertoire. Thank you.
Great explanation about the whole ordeal, much appreciated.
Love Mace! He’s such a gorgeous dog! Found my self saying GOOOOD BOOOOY when he controlled himself with the sleeve. 😂
Ah microbehaviors!! Learned about those years ago. It is amazing how many happen that people don’t even realize are occurring.
Love this -this is so informative. Dutch shepherds are A force to be reckoned with. I’ve never seen a more manipulative breed or a more intelligent breed. If you’re not careful they will quickly get you to do their bidding.
Những gì bạn nói hoàn toàn đúng con cún của mình giờ đây nó Là người điều khiển mình chứ không phải mình Là chủ của nó Lý do Là từ bé mình đã chiều nó và giờ đây nó đã Làm chủ Lại mình
Looks fantastic dude. GREAT work. I'm glad you updated us on this boy's situation. Much appreciated. That's some incredible training discipline. WOW.
I’m being honest man you are the best most clear trainer I have ever watched or listen to ever your the man period
Some animals the handler needs to be able to not "trust the trust" with. Ever.
It takes a specific/peculiar mindset in a person to be able to hold that line at all time, every time the person is with the dog, for every day of that dog's life.
Just hanging out is the time when some dogs will try to get their handler, bc that is the time when the actual relationship between dog and handler is playing out.
Imo, what happened between Mace and his handler does not change the fact that Mace is a great dog and his owner is a capable handler.
Hats off to the handler for recognizing that him and Mace both need different things.
It'll be hard to find a handler that can handle him as well as Haz - Haz is the kind of handler he needs
If I recall correctly it was Chris Fraize who said "dogs are social opportunists". Mace is definitely one of those types of dogs. "Micro behaviors" - I see this amongst my two intact male GSDs. The play they do is also a test of strength. To be clear neither of my GSDs are even close to the intensity of Mace, but I see those little moments and as such they are not allowed to interact freely or for long. I don't want them to think they can fight for rank, so better to prevent it. I think your assessment is spot on and respect the humility in that you may have misread what is an appropriate situation and handler for Mace. I think there are only a very small minority of handler/trainers that can safely and consistently handle this dog and I say that humbly myself, Mace would be way too much dog for me as well. Good luck with him, I hope he stays with you as he deserves to have a good life and none of the "blue juice" if at all possible.
The Fraize's are con artists and have scammed 10s of thousands of dollars from people. They neglect their dogs and the dogs left in their care for "training". And they got a dog (Fugg) from a shelter and dropped him back off like 6mos later at a different kill shelter. They don't own a legitimate business and take payments under the table.
This guy has been around many states and worn out his welcome. There are a TON of personal accounts of this type of shitty behavior and preying on people and their dogs.
Do not believe anything they say, they don't know what "truth" even means.
Great video. I appreciate you putting out such in depth and real behind the scenes on youtube.
I think Haz nailed it - Mace will suck you into letting your guard down + not a fan of going back to his kennel (with minor physical tells). I wonder if he can be desensitized to going back to his kennel or maybe even conditioned to look forward to going into his kennel. Then again with the extremes he's capable of, could you be trading one problem for another?
Really good to hear you talking the situation through and how you’re going about working more with him to make him as safe as a dog like Mace can be - he’s a beautiful dog. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Awesome work with Mace! I followed his journey and my hat goes off to your training theory and methodology! Great Job
I just bumped into this video by accident. You are very well educated with experience. Anyone who worked with dogs, can see from your timing between commands, corrections reward. That’s all spot on. But the best part is that you are a good communicator. All demos with simple and to the point explanation. Just wow. All best to you and your family + crew from England 🏴🇵🇱🫡
Thank you for the update. I really like Mace and was concerned about his future. Now to find the right handler.
Mace looks just like my Czech GSD, just with different colours. Your advice, using Mace as an example, has been incredibly helpful in my training my dominant Blockhead. He’s also a “big playful goof” until he put teeth in me! 🤣
He will always be a spicy goofball blockhead, but watching your videos and listening to your advice has meant he will be with us until he’s old, grey, and reaches his natural end. He won’t be given up on, he won’t be discarded, our dog is with us for life, not just until they become a handful! 😁👍
Love all your videos but this one I was sooo interested l!! The transparency is why your my favorite dog trainer
Awesome video and assessment, I have put dogs down for less but I regretted it. Wish I had had your knowledge at the time or even my limited knowledge now.
Mace is primal. Haz has amazingly, relentless persistency in training. Great match up, awesome, informative video,
Mace is home.
Great feedback on structure and routine to keep the dog in check! Good work on the Dutch commands💕
Absolutely beautiful dog- He's honestly probably too much dog for any police department as well... Not quite sure where he fits, but cool to see such a force regardless.
AMAZING DOG AND EXCELLENT TRAINING.....
thank you for expanding our knowledge. Much Respect
I have a dutchie. She’s the best dog I’ve ever had. I love her so much. ❤. She’s so smart and follows commands so well and protective but calls off the easily.
I love this dog Mace! You sure you don't want to keep him and offer your buddy a different dog? Yall might be made for each other :-).
I had a Siberian Husky who had a high drive and had this same personality. I was putting him and my Rottweiler in their kennels in the winter, I slipped and fell, my Siberian immediately came at my neck, if my Rottweiler wasn't there, I would have been severely injured. My Rottie protected me against the attack. I believe Siberians to be "safer" than Dutch Shepherds but i can definitely understand the dog trying to take advantage of a situation when they are trying to be dominant. My Siberian was very difficult to train and tested me constantly. I never let my guard down with him after that and made sure my Rottie was by my side when dealing with him. Great video and explanation.
I had a similar dog, a husky mix with a serious attitude and drive. Could never ever let him 'win' a standoff. Lucky for me he was all bluff and never took it to a real bite
@@fouroctavesofjoy I learned that lesson real quick! I was always careful with him after that. Beautiful dogs, but extremely independent.
I can't believe how he drools when he wants to bite.
So true! Sane leaders, sane dogs!
Really appreciate the honesty & transparency Haz. A lot of trainers would shy away from explaining what exactly went down, and probably not even put it out there that anything occurred in the first place.
You broke down your diagnosis of what you thought happened in an excellent manner, teaching the likes of me who likes to think they know a lot but no where near as much as yourself! Every day is a day in school, & listening to the likes of you, Larry & Robert Cabral I'm learning so much about working dogs, stuff you would never learn from a book or positive only online course. So a huge thank you 🐶👌
I do believe in a working breed that is a "balanced breed" ex - GS, Collies, even rotties to an extent, would you put Dutch's in the category of breed that is slightly unbalanced because of there unpredictable nature?
Sounds like most of what I predicted on the last video was more or less on point lol Mace is just the type of dog who'll take a mile if you give him an inch. Sounds like his attack was more a test for dominance and getting whatever he had in his mind that he wanted (or didn't want). But it does say a lot that he popped right off the bite, the whole incident sounds like it went a lot better than I first assumed it had gone.
I've no doubts Mace could've gone a lot further and done more damage if that was actually his intention, considering we've seen what he did to your bicep through a bite suit.
I appreciate this insightful video 👍🏻
Awesome video! One of the best training videos I've seen demonstrating the psychology of these magnificent creatures and what it takes to be a good handler for a dominant high drive working dog. I'm in love with shepherds but had ruled out Mals. Was open to considering a Dutchie - but not now! After watching your channel it looks like a GSD is going to be the best fit. Thank you for your honesty and sharing the realities of these breeds.
Good work and greets from Holland .👍
Very informative. Love the impulse control method. I will adopt that techq. I have a dutchie similar to Mase. Thanks for sharing.
I've always liked Mace and what he and you have accomplished in your training program. I would not criticize the injured handler or the dog for what happened since I was not there. Good luck with him. I hope that you can keep him if you are able to.
Great video. I'm traveling by RV with my Heeler that has a tendency to be a bit reactive about dog's yapping nearby. I started running place drills with the ball kinda like the earlier part of this video when neighbor dogs bark in the RV park. Totally takes the edge off for my dog. About 5 to 10 minutes and he's ignoring the nonsense around us.
Also, very interesting to hear your detailed interpretation on what happened with Mace.
Thanks for the update, info and your thoughts. I'd been wondering about the details. Your reasoning and training seem sound!
Just like my Bolo. Might wanna address on another video about “Loving your dog to death, literally.” Can’t give too much affection to these type of dogs, or they take it as a sign of weakness
You just verified my exact thoughts about the Mallenois as a breed. They really need hard work and discipline to be happy. I even read someone calling them Malligators. 😄
This makes me more grateful for my GSD. He is so good natured with people and so willing to be a part of my family but he will do everything protective related that I need. He may not be as hard hitting or bad to the bone, but he's enough for my family and very capable with the right training. I'm glad we don't have to wrestle with that level of dog on a daily basis, too much for us. Thank you for posting this video as well as being honest with people. These types of dogs are not general family pets for the average family and should not be handled as such. Hopefully other people watching will think twice before going for a Dutchie.
GSD is a Toyota Camry. Malinois and Dutchies are Ferrari or corvettes. Many are happy with a Camry
@@stevenglock true, or to me GSDs are like an F150 or some other work truck that can get the job done with no frills.
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@@tyy6161he would play bite as a puppy. I never tolerated it with the boys but it was extremely challenging to get him to stop. At 6 months old we purchased an ecollar and it was a game changer. With the right execution it will do wonders. They playbite a ton until they teeth, just how they express excitement and play being Shepherds. He has growled at the boys twice and those times he was instantly corrected and it honestly was something my children did to invade his space. Hand fed as a puppy off commands established an understood relationship that I'm in charge and control the food, not him. By and large, GSD is an amazing family pet and will protect you with its life if genetically correct with temperament. Very smart, very loyal, very easy to train. That being said, training and socialization is a requirement for these dogs to properly flourish and not be a liability. Done properly, your best friend and second to none. Outstanding dogs.
Love your stuff bro. 🙌🏽💯
I have a pretty gnarly gsd and have been around a very gnarly ddr gsd and they are nice but my next dog I want a dog like mace. I know they aren’t for everyone or even hardly anyone but that level of intensity and challenge of working with it excites me. I am good friends with a guy that has a 3yr old dutchie very much like this and he is incredible and dangerous as six shooter in Alex Baldwin’s hand lol.
Its a powerful nice dog but like a loaded weapon, much too dangerous to be around relaxing, you always have to be the leader, that is very demanding and tiring. Is is worth it? Depends on who you are and what you need this dog for.
No a loaded weapon can't think or act on its on
No no no
Never worth it. People think an unhinged dog is cool to have. A stable well balanced NON handler aggressive dog is the way to go. A top tier protection, police K 9 etc dog is NEVER handler aggressive. If you need to feed your arm to have permanent nerve damage just so it doesn’t kill you is total BS! The most decorated beast of a Dutch yet non handler aggressive police K9 in Ct history (mine) broke the stereotype that you need a psychotic beast to be a real working dog. Literally ripped and ate flesh off suspects but did not dare challenge my authority. Just saying
I had a serious GSD that was dominant. He was ALWAYS testing me and challenging me. It is VERY exhausting and even more exhausting. Dogs like Mace are not for most people.
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@@Серега-ь6лgreat advice 👍🏾
This is all really interesting. More games I can play with my girl. 51/2 year old Malinois, had her since a pup. She loves playing, and loves the ball. I'm looking for new games because we used to play tug alot,, which she loves, but as I've got holder i'm not as strong, and I get ragged around too much, i'm not as up for it as I was a couple of years ago. I usually get accidental injuries, sore arm, scrapes of teeth or nails, not fun for me. None of it is intentional just her boistrous play. She does respect me and listens to me. She has too. But i'm learning so much of the detail with dogs on your channel.
Anyone thinking of getting one of these needs to watch this. Real talk no BS. I can tell he’s Dutch and Dutch KNPV is what he seems to be which is what mine is and they’re exactly like this. They need a fair firm hand.
Mace🥰 primal is exactly what he is- and it's a beautiful thing! Mace is an amazing creature living his best life with the right humans!
that's cool training there!
I adopted what I thought was a German Shepherd from the shelter at 6 weeks. I think she is a Dutch Shepherd or a Belgian Malinios. She is super sweet but she pushes her boundaries especially with me and my son. She bites and she has body slammed me playing in the yard. She really listens to my husband. She will hide behind me when he tries to discipline her.
Even our little mix dog has acted crazy getting in or out of the house kennel
So what is going to be the best fit for Mace
is it just me or does Haz go into a more "Euro" accent or affect sometimes in his speaking? anyone else hear it?
Watching this video again after all this months just thinking that the system buying a 6 month old youngster is what makes it difficult for the dog to understand body language while not in working modus
Keeping Dutchies as a family member and pet i never realized how much time it took me to "train" impulse control playing rough - just because that's what I mostly enjoy to do with them
And each of my 3 Dutchies had more than one different triggers which needed to be desensitized
No, after all this years I realize it finally
And yes, of course I also "work /ed" with all of them daily multiple times, but of course as a non professional and not even for sports
Thank you again, hope Mace is still fine, missing updates 😂
While working him in impulse control with the decoy , is the tie out , so he doesn’t redirect to the handler ?
Haz, I’ve never dealt with a dog like this and don’t want to lol but I’m curious…what would you do to correct Mace if he did not comply with your commands? I’m asking about pressure as I assume physical pressure may be counter productive? You mentioned vocal pressure - can you speak to proper and safe pressure tactics with dogs like him sometime pls?
Haz please do of video of this!
The dominance games, my Rotti is so notorious for this. Give an inch, he’ll take a mile. He’s a great dog, but he’s also very challenging.
I had to chuckle at 9:57 when he was talking abt friend/playmate stance vs daddy stance, and at that very moment Mace jumped up and tapped the treat hand with his nose, rather than waiting for it to be given to him. Actually, I wondered if it could be similar to something like ocd, or maybe even autism spectrum-like, such as, when I do THIS I get THIS, AND my brain has recorded it never taking longer than .85555 of a second. So, if that time is approaching and I’ve not gotten it yet, I start feeling out of sorts bc something has gone awry in my world.
Love your videos man! Thank you! Keep up the good work!
Zak can get a squeaky toy and he'll climb in to the crate first and they can cuddle in there! sounds great! Mace would love it, Zak could retire from the views and pay for his new robot body after mace is finished digesting the old one.
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Love your content! I have a reactive 7 month old working line GSD. A lot of which is impulse control issue. Any pointers. I wish you were closer to come to a class!
The only working dogs I've been scared of are dutchies. I own 3 mals. Dutch shepherds are a whole different animal
Informative and fascinating to me.
Does anyone have any insight into why dutchies in particular seem to cone at the handler often
I've recently had a very similar thing with my butch shepard. He's 2 years old, I've own him for 18 months and work him every day. Turned around 1 day to see him running and me and clamped onto my chest. Had to force him onto my arm and kennal him for a day. Now he's back to his normal self and working hard. I always make a joke about Dutchies and say the hace bipolar
Could you sell Mace to Zack George? I want to see how many hours Zack would last :D
Best idea I've read all week. Give Zac the dog for free, just make it happen!
I think you're in the wrong ball park with hours. I give Zac seconds, as soon as Mace figures out Zac couldn't lead a fat kid to a cake shop Mace will take his arm off as a trophy.
I tried watching Zack. For me he's ridiculous. I find him to be a waste of time. His methods probably endanger the dog and it's owner. Could be his final episode one day !
Hours? I'm thinking seconds. Definitely under a minute.
Hahaha
Zak can get a squeaky toy and he'll climb in to the crate first and they can cuddle in there! sounds great! Mace would love it, Zak could retire from the views and pay for his new robot body.
I had an issue like this with a Czech German Shepherd. I was the main handler but he spent a lot of time with my mother and became extremely protective. I was a very green handler at that time so I relied to much on an E-collar
Amazing! Thanks for sharing
You are spot on Only business
Our Mals name is Mace too!!!
…..question how long do you let the barking go before you start to add pressure for that?
I have been thinking about him so many times..The video from the Netherlands broke mye heart.. It is so nice to see how he has blossomed.. I actually tought that he was dead by now.. How is his teeth doing? I bet they added to the problem.
Honest question brother. Wouldn’t mace being this unpredictable make it a genetic flaw? How do we know his behavior isn’t because he’s just mentally unstable.and blacked out. I’ve heard of a few owners of duruchies describing how their Dutch shepherd did the same exact thing this dog to them. They just snapped and it turns out it’s a form of seizure. Why breed this dog if he’s that dangerous to handle. Because frankly he’s liable to turn on the handler for any reason and it seems like his list of what triggers him is yet to be discovered fully. I get the whip intense breed and working, but
I’m laughing out loud because all those micro aggressions are what they do. The shepherd in them is the goody and I’m just playin and oh nah. You can’t let any of that go with them. And leash work even in the house is important. They are ones that will continue to try their boundaries and where they stand and they’re lookin at you like okay as long as you’ve got that ish imma follow you. Lose it and he’s gonna be running roughshod. The inmate will definitely be running the show. And if your not into continually working on this and continue to build and just understanding that they’re gonna push you to be accountable. You bought em they’re gonna push you to work with then not just work them.
good stuff! and your right about impulse control, thank you!!
THANKS!!
Wow just saw your video of Mace from a year ago when you had him in his Kennel for a few days because you just had got him. Now clicked on this video what a difference. What environment is best suited for Mace? If you were getting him in with a new handler?
The only dog i had bad dreams over, when i was younger is the dutchie. One in particular in late 90's was like a great white and sucked you into the bite and wanted to all out murder you. Not bite, protect his handler, but murder into pieces 😂. I still have some scars. Much love for the sharp ones. No one wants a cat in a sack!
Having worked with him for awhile now after biting incident do you think you can safely rehome him? Is the risk too high to do so? From a legal standpoint is it even worth it?
What has happened with Mace? Love your videos.
Good afternoon shield k9, A question....do you take your working dogs for a walk? Or is it just work when they are out of the cage? It all seems very intense, & confusing for the dogs. It seems a sad and unnatural life for them.
Our male Dutch Shepherd growled and bit my wife for no reason. He loved spending time with me but hassled my wife everyday. We rehomed him. I love this breed but my wife is afraid of this type of dog.
I am in no way anyone to listen to, however - I wonder if the error the handler made was being comfortable having mace “meander” around the workshop after only a few months of being together. That seems like the over arching error from the story you tell. As you said, mace did loose, and it sounds like the handler is an actual gangster. That must have hurt so bad - I hope I never know. As mentioned, that is my only thought and would enjoy someone else’s opinion.
And as a listen to the whole video, you discuss this in great detail, so I concur with you ha.
Lastly, I think you should keep mace. I think your system is one of the few that mace would actually thrive in. Absolute business, 100% of the time. Very few people want a dog like that, and the system you have is really the only place that can offer that.
That is the largest bodied, least brindle, largest headed, shortest nosed Dutch Shepherd I've ever seen. By like 30%. . Mines like 47 lbs but a full blooded ds girl. I'd bet everything I have that isn't a DS.
Beast boy and Beast job
Growing up we only had pitbulls. I never even imagined a dog could have the mindset that Malinois have, and to be honest sometimes it's a bit unnerving to have this beast at home.
I got off him off a family member's hands who couldn't handle his dogs and gave them away.
I love him but he's actually bit me four times, and I think I've handled it well, and it only has happened within the first two months, but... why do people want these dogs?
IMPORTANT ..... Before you fall in LOVE with the face ( UNAVOIDABLE ) fall in love with the REAR END, weed out bad breeders and save your self & dog pain and hurt !!!
Respect!
Great video.
Question i have a dutchie puppy 11 weeks old i use cheerios just curious what you use?
Probably his food lol lots of trainers use their dinner and lunch and breakfast they usually never eat out of a bowl
whining, is this behavior in anticipation of an action ?
Is this the second handler of Mace that has bitten ?
Mace is an Apex boss 😮
Where can I buy this dominant dog collar?
Dutchies are more tied to the handler than say a Mal. I can see why they’ve nicknamed Mals the pits of the shepherds. The Shepherd in the Dutchies is very noticeable. They’re more needy so you’ve gotta have better boundaries and crate work from day one on is imperative. And get the plastic crates. Plastic.
I’m confused….he keeps saying “a dog like Mace” is he talking about a Dutch in general or is he talking about a personality?
Wow! I have no experience with dogs like Mace. I am glad you advise people against trying to adopt similar dogs as family pets. The only two dogs I have owned have been incredibly gentle and eager to please. I presume dogs like Mace are better suited to police work.
Sounds like Mace was displaying some form of dominance aggression. Any idea what the handler was doing in his work shop at the time of the bite ?
The big question is, given he had reservations about biting the handler AND he lost the encounter, COULD the handler take him back?
EDIT: only at 17:00 so maybe you cover it in the last 8 minutes
Do you have already excluded neurological disorders ? I am asking because some neurological conditions can lead to aggression like the rage syndrom.The behavior associated with Rage Syndrome includes outbursts of aggression that are intense and at times unpredictable. These episodes also tend to be large dramatic responses relative to a seemingly benign situation. Affected dogs often freeze, stare, and may rapidly escalate to biting.
Wow amazing!!!
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