THE FIRST FINAL SMASH MAJOR TOURNAMENT
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- IT'S FINALLY HAPPENED! I hosted an edition of my $2,000 Coinbox Smash Ultimate tournament, but WITH Final Smash Meter turned on! This ended up being one of my favorite tournaments I've ever hosted, and showed an all new meta that we should consider for the future.
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Being seeded round 1 against Skibity Toilet the Steve main I feel like is a fate worse than death
Mew2king is a HBox stream enhancer
Constant talking and screaming enhances my mute button
@@Shyningfade too bad, we got the best ending where everyone is friends, i know people like you didnt want that
Jason is fine, but you can tell he has ADHD. Homeboy just needs to simmer down a tad
I agree, more M2K being accepted for who is he 👏🏽👏🏽.
Somehow hes not anoying and is really entertaning.
Cody, going up against someone named skividy toiletter something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy
A Steve player no less
@@alexblickhan5175 no matter what the outcome is, we all know that Cody is better in our hearts.
@@Austindogftwthis is why people don't like melee players
@@Austindogftwdamn nobody even mentioned melee and he still manages to talk about how it’s the harder game
@@kachowabunga17 i dont see this type of stuff anywhere but twiteer and mainstream smash streamer channles lol. its not melee anything, what they dont like like is social media users
Peach final smash dealing damage in addition to sleep + healing, feels so funny. it's unfairly OP. but it's so funny. idk how they put this in the same game as Jigglypuff's final smash. like night and day.
Yeah any time hbox hosts wacky tours like these I don’t think he should worry about restriction as these are just fun tournaments rather than anything seriously competitive.
Also, if hbox is reading this host a DK only invitational next simply because it would be funny
It's funny you compare the two, because both of those final smashes specialize in edgeguarding.
Generally when I’m baffled by a balance decision I try and think how it would work in 8 man smash with items as lord sakurai intended. Putting that many people to sleep isn’t as good as in 1v1
@@evanmcdonald9134 But all of the FGCs have 1 on 1 designs.
@@justice8718 I mean they’re based on characters from a 1v1 game and are intentionally trying to mimic that. Most other characters, especially those in the base game are made for a casual audience
For a second I thought the "final" in the title meant this would be the last smash tournament for Smash Ultimate ever lol
if smash ultimate players had always played with final smashes, the smash ultimate dev team would have made more balance changes to them. but because the smash ultimate scene is full of tryhards, barely any changes have been made to final smashes.
Apple Reviewer is my goat.
🍎🍎🍎
Listen, Skibidi Toiler toiled hard for that victory with Steve
came for the final smashes, stayed for the apple convo
Makes it way more fun! I think this should be a mainstay side event
For me it could be main event, if the playerbase wasn't full of brickheads
@@SupreMamaco Blame Peach for ruining the whole format made the whole tourney Unwatchable
@@LamalBetta like fr, giving an S tier a final smash that busted is insane, Zelda's is too but their barely any good ones or her final smash isn't that busted when compared to peach
@@Supersonic37838 Fr Zelda is trash + her FS on works at like 100. Peach can Charge up smash at 60 kill you then heal 90% after
@@LamalBetta I feel like Peach needs a nerf, like a 1x per game final smash restriction
Fun fact; you can cancel Terry's buster wolf into his final smash.
WHAAATTTT?!?! *TO THE LABORATORY*
@theFinalvictor07 Yeah, you can probably do a touch of death with it.
in true kof13 fashion lmao
Seeing Sonic players being forced to play the game and being punished for their camping is extremely satisfying to me. Props to Ling for showing us what a good Peach player with FS is like (extremely broken).
I can’t stress enough how amazing this format is, I’m actually excited when you post new videos with it and it has renewed my love for the game- not exaggerating.
Ling was so carried that he made Sonix the underdog this tourney
He played good even without the final smash tho
Also Ling lost to Wrath on winners
@@sharkronical he did but activating the “press b to win!” made him look so braindead lol
Ling isn't carried. he plays online events every week. he is the best online Peach.
@@slayed9335so, you prefer Steve holding b to win instead?
This is fucking awesome I love it. way more exciting moments, and there's an extra incentive for people to play aggressively because you want to save your final smash for the 2nd stock.
This tournament was the best tournament to watch right until Losers Finals and Grands cool format but PLEASE BAN PEACH or make rules nerfing that final Smash…. almost disliked the video during the Spargo match ngl
@@LamalBettano way you’re gonna dislike hbox’s vid cause of a character that someone picked, thats actual loser behavior LMAO
@@snewp_e2139 2 months late + I didn’t even dislike the video I liked it be quiet 💀
Apple reviewer was so fun to watch and honestly way more fun to interview 🤣 have him back on
I love fs meter so so so so so much and I'm so happy to have been able to watch sets like MKLeo and Spargo play with it enabled
Only reason I didn't skip the Sonix vs Wrath set was because of AppleReviewer interview
The new age has begun… and Steve is still busted
If Final Smashes were Legal I can see Peach getting banned.
I mean shes already S tier and final smash makes her like SS
Jejajeja vs. MKLeo proves that Kirby is dangerous.
anyway what i'm trying to say is genuinely ban peach
Wow peach in this format is more broken than steve is normally. Sonix proved there's some counterplay to that OP final smash with his springing out, but I bet if FS meter was the standard people's "counterplay" to peach would be like people trying to "adapt" to steve camping, aka barely anything
(Not saying I didn't enjoy watching the peach players here I loved this tournament)
We have to talk about Apple Reviewer.
If you do more of these you maaaaaaay need to ban peach
SKYWARDHERO THE FUCKING GOAT
LITERALLY THAT SET AGAINST RIDDLES WAS INSANE
Only way I can imagine to consistently play around peach final smash would be snake constantly holding grenade and even then I imagine there are still a bunch of ways peach can combo into it
this actually makes ultimate 10000x better to watch sonic actually playing the game
Is nobody gonna mention that Ling double eliminated both spargo and sonix
Solely because of Peach's broken final smash? Yeah.
@@deadeyed2454 not solely at all. I believe muteace was in this tournament as well and didn't go so far, not to mention that Wrath was able to beat Ling
@@deadeyed2454 fr, peach fs too busted
@@NoName-he3tn OK not solely. But you can't say he wasnt carried by that final smash throughout nearly the entire tourney.
@@deadeyed2454You try doing better in one of these tournaments with Peach.
Normally I hate watching top tier sonic play. They pretty much all do the same thing and every match is at least 4 minutes long, but to see ling with that serendipitous 9-0, I sat back with a big ol smile on my face and enjoyed myself.
Yeah just needed to basically have double the stocks every match.
idk bro, peach with meter seems infinitely more lame than sonic or even steve in the base game. i get sonic hate but please don't let it turn u to a metered peach supoorter
This is legit worse than Sonic camping.
@@justice8718What do you mean? Do you prefer a campy do-nothing meta? Why is it worse?
@@Gamma0_0 When the Peach pushes B, they automatically get a stock and free health.
Smash Bros and apple trivia. What's not to like?
That first match had me in shambles
Other fighting games have supers, Smash should too!
This event was such a joy to spectate, please run this format back in the future!
1:27:23 Rush, no! Bad dog!
These dudes so unfamiliar with playing simple casual games they have no idea what they're talking about with final smashes half the time lol
Final smash highlights
28:33 Roy v pikachu
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this is such a cool tourney format just ban peach, ling is good but is definitely carried
I love this tournament format, I hope that it continues
Skibidi Toilet the Steve main 💀
that muteace set was i think the first time i've ever rooted for sonix
idk if anyone else has said this but zelda fs meter can kill at very low percent, if you get them offstage and zleda goes to the blastzone, faces the blastzone, and starts her fs then it sucks them in and throws them into the blastzone for free. m2k is wrong about how good zelda fs is and hbox is wrong about how bad it is.
Ling is so Smart with the Final Smash from Sonix Even he escapes it as well, We Need More Content like this :> 🔥🔥
It’s a good play but honestly he just upb’ed it’s not allat
Not allat every character can escape sonic's final smash.
I think there should be a rule banning killing in Peach’s Final Smash that final smash is too crazy atm. Good Tourney Overall though
5:23:04 “what where they thinking?!”
It’s almost like this mechanic was not balanced for competitive matches and was designed with casual play in mind
How bro felt saying this 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🐺🐺
I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite.
Final Smashes in Sm4sh were *far* more casual. The introduction of a weaker version that uses a meter, and the conversion from all transformation final smashes to cutscene final smashes were most definitely attempts to make them more suitable for competitive.
If that were true, then why did every transformation Final Smash get replaced in Ultimate?
@@SALTYTOAD00 Because they stated they wanted Final Smashes to be simpler and flashier
i don't think it's "designed with casual in mind" either
because any other final smash are atleast balanced in some way, and from a game design standpoint they're all fair, despite having different hitbox size, it still needs certain percent to kill
fun fact, Peach final smash does not have infinite range
i think sakurai's soul is healing a little
Wait i just thought about something, links can counter peach final smash with bomb 🤔
Nah, I'm sorry, but Kazuya carries sooooo hard
Zain does a single move
M2K: AVFVWHAVDVOEOVlwf iso
Now I understand why final smash meter is always turned off lol.
An FS meter tourney sounds decent.
If some Final Smashes didn’t need meter for their full effect
34:57 If only zain knew that Roy's final smash kills kirby as zero near the ledge u.u
This format is so hype to watch. Feels fitting considering most fighting games have supers. Does it make sense, with Final Smashes mostly being an instakill, to switch to a 4 stock format instead of 3?
I considered it, feels nicer than 3 stocks, but idk due to possibility of camping, so idk
Talking as someone who plays 4 stocks/7min, FSM On for smt like 2y or so
Yes.
People play Sonic and Steve, because their desire to win outweighs their desire to have fun.
I almost never watch ultimate and always watch melee instead. This, however, drew me in. It's so much more exciting than standard ultimate.
I’ve been wanting this since smash came out with supers 🙌
Apple discussion: best part of the whole video. 10/10, would listen again.
This is really better than normal rules
this needs to become a thing in offline tournaments
No thanks, I like living past 50%
WE LOVE TO SEE SONIX LOSE RAHHHHHHH
Love this ruleset
@20:42 The micro-spacing here was insane
It was good until the end. The end was just slow and dull
Let's go m2k ..hbox
Was hoping someone would try Ike and do a nair -> great aether to the top of battlefield platform.
Going off memory, if final smashes were legal the biggest concerns are
1. peach and zelda(one heals and sets the opponet up for a kill, and we all know why zelda fs is bs)
2.Characters with a vacuum effect(luigi, palutena, megaman. Similar reason to zelda if the person can get creative with the final smash off ledge)
3.Marth/Lucina(they are literally designed like a homerun bat and can guarantee kills even close to 0%)
4. Maybe Sephiroth, purely because of the random status effect causing multiple issues. And I could genuinely see it causing rng upsets similar to hero shenangians in normal play
every other fs falls into similar categories and is more so dependant on specific setups imo
Finally, the competitive world is introduced to the wild place known as final smashes. People have figured out how broken peach/daisy's final smashes are, and if anyone actually played Zelda, they would realize how broken theirs is too. The two worst final smashes are probably sonic's (if you know how to avoid it and aren't caught off-guard, just go up top and they can do nothing) and Jigglypuff's (criminally easy to evade. If you get hit, that is entirely your fault).
I really hope to see more tournaments with non-competitive rulesets in the future. If Item Breakers has taught us anything, turning select items on can be loads of fun and not ruin the competitive experience at all if you do it right. There is loads of content in here.
Peach Final smash isn’t broken
1. You don’t have enough time to heal and get the free smash unless the opponent is in kill range
2. It only makes sense to do it if your loosing and if you wait too long it goes away
typically when she gets meter they're already in that range tho. plus if you do it to edgeguard its practically a free kill and free healing
idk why hbox laughs at players fighting against steve as if they have any chance of winning the matchup lol
the most irritating matchup in fighting game history made even worse by hbox's squeaky laugh
This format is pretty sick. I wish the final smashes were more balanced because it's not that crazy of a concept for fighting games to have ults that you charge up.
just an fyi: grapples arent genetically modified, theyre just soaked in grape flavour (bird repellent)
If tournaments used this ruleset Ling would easily be the best in the world, he's the best peach with FS and peach is easily the best with FS
Sonic - Peach is a really bad matchup for Sonic. I thing, even online Ganon would be much better
Why can’t I ever be there for the full thing 😭
I’m vacationing in Italy so your stream starts at like 11:00 PM
2:37:21 Best MKLeo moment
I was like "fuck it ima watch this before going to bed"
*5 hour 45 minute vid*
I love skibbi toilet the steve player (I hate saying skibbi toilet it makes me lose braincells please help me also they play steve I wanna quit the game)
Speaking of fruits I LOVE Plums, a good fresh plum from a tree
1:58:31 was insane
Zelda top tier first time in history?
prob
No one seems to have considered that Link could also avoid Peach's Final Smash with his bomb
When I’m in a glazing competition and my opponent is maximoose while jejajeja is playing
was so entertaining until the peach vs sonic matches, still hope this format comes back
Guys i think M2K said Peach's final was broken
We need more matches like these! The entier coinbox was unreal 😮
Why is the 100% in the thumbnail not red
It’s a screenshot from stamina mode for some reason
@silverpotato4272 wouldn't it say HP then instead of %
honestly I down to keep final smashes just to nerf sonic
The first time Zelda isn't straight-up garbage.
Chase didn't use the Final Smash correctly, with Zelda...you can go off stage and use the final smash and drag people down and recover for a free gimp, or you can go under the stage and force them into a tech situation....these Zelda players haven't fought hardcore online item Zelda's...Zelda is crazy online with her final smash 😂😂😂😂😂
@funjukebox1324 you think he knows? No one plays Zelda
@@illford So no one practiced their character with the smash ball prior to start of the tournament, stop it lol.
@@funjukebox1324*Final Smash Meter
@@GlitchanBlack In order to practice using the final smash in training mode, you'd just practice using the final smash via the smash ball lmao, stop it cuh
Mr G&W up special counters Super Sonic
Sonix got absolutely humiliated.
Just goes to show that he's completely carried by running away with sonic.
Terrible bait bud
Did Sonix kill your parents or something? Why do you hate the guy so much?
yeah bro has beef with sonic
The extra commentator came out of nowhere lol
hbox i'll cast for free next coinbox
5:38:59
new thumbnails are so disorienting
Lol Zain playing Rihanna
Zain vs Kirbcake sleeper set fr
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Steve is such a horrid character to watch and play against yikes.
All you gotta do is not let him mine. You also gotta destroy 5 mini mansions to get to him.
@@mikehasfallen The only person my friend group let's play steve is my cousin who isn't very good at the game so it actually evens out. But the character is still horrendous.
We love Denis
Letsgoooooo