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Game Brain Yo, there is one game you neglect. Star Wars E3 : The Videogame. Best multiplayer dual system on ps2. But thats just my opinion would you please make a video on it.
Catacombs level I remember being fun as hell. but Korriban final as Dark side path was better IMO. Not only do you take on every Sith already in the level, but also all the Jedi there who would have helped you if you chose to spare that little shit Rosh(?). You get these crazy 3 way fights thru the level as you try to screw everyone over by taking the power-staff for yourself. Also fighting Kyle Katarn at the end was cooler than fighting a spooky ghost.
Jedi Outcast understood that damage done on enemy character models is what makes a lightsaber feel like a real lightsaber. In the recent Battlefront series it feels like a glow stick because zero damage is visible after slashing away. Mild burn marks on clothing would've been enough to showcase how dangerously hot sabers are to the touch, but no, there's n o t h i n g .
The biggest problem for all battlefront games is that its just auto locking button mashing. There is no thought behind it besides "okay now I don't attack and block, now I attack" There needs to be more freedom in how you attack with the lightsaber to make it feel right
@@dopendous "looks and feels" again showing you haven't played it. Also it's a mod, it's only a little bit older than the newer battlefront games, I'm not talking about Jedi acedemy I'm talking about Movie Battles. It has the most in depth lightsaber combat that is highly strategic. Highest skill ceiling of any star wars game, so of course Noobs like you won't enjoy it
me too. It was more of a fighting game but worked really will with what a lightsaber dual feels like. The action parts worked well too making you feel the power of the lightsaber one kill idea.
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I really feel like the Episode III Revenge of the Sith game is overlooked when it comes to lightsaber combat. One of the greatest games of my childhood along with the original Star Wars Battlefront II. Really feel like Revenge of the Sith game deserves a spot on this list. Hours of fun and replay value is through the roof.
Yeah no, it was your basic hack and slash variety in both games, episode 3 was however the best 1vs1'beatem up' type game available what with the combos and different movesets, but for saber combat pick the Jedi knight games up they are the only ones that come anywhere close to semi realistic duels even if the learning curve is steep.
@@TheNateness123 I definitely agree with the hack and slash. I guess I never really got the hang of the Jedi outcast and Jedi academy games. Played them both a few times and it has a really strange learning curve that I just never got the hang of even on lower difficulties
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its not a dumb question. jedi outcast was much more balanced, jedi academy was a glitchfest. with that said, i had loads of fun in jka, its just, objectively speaking jka was messed up.
@@Myth_or_Mystery76 I always wondered why you couldn’t choose any character for the coop survival mode would’ve made it much cooler and give more use to the characters
The only thing about the game I wish were better is that the force powers weren’t so restrictive. It’ll give you these spots that you HAVE to force jump in that spot ONLY instead of traversing the levels and figuring out how to use the force powers your own way. The combat is still solid and the lightsaber battles are the highlight of the game.
I think one of the major reasons people enjoy Jedi Outcast/Academy's saber combat can be boiled down to one thing: You can move while attacking. I know that sounds like such a minor thing, but in every other Star Wars game I'm aware of and have played, you stop moving when you swing your saber. Even in Force Unleashed, where plenty of your attacks come with a degree of movement, you still lose control when you're doing them. Outcast and Academy let you keep running in whatever direction you were going, back up, jump etc in tandem with attacking, which made you feel super mobile, and even let you feel like you could mow through mooks with no problem better than TFU's hallway-clearing force pushes can. I mean, the ability to do all those moves and jump off walls and such was fun too, but the simple thing of never taking control away from the player made it feel like a part of you - which is how a saber should feel, like part of it's user, the player.
This^. I love how mobile you can be in Jedi Outcast/Academy. One of my favorite features is how your saber swings are different depending on which direction you are moving. Academy went a step further to introduce combos which made saber combat even more varied.
Only real problem was the special moves which I remember the community called "butterflying". Even tho they were predictable and locked you into a long animation of flurry acrobatic moves and swings, you could still one shot other players with it. It was frowned upon and seen as noobish to even use them. Especially with dual sabers.
Star Wars: Obiwan also allowed you to stay on the move while attacking. The game gets a lot of flak for many reasons, but if you're able to truly master the controls I think it does a great job of making you feel like you have full agency over your lightsaber.
This is all inconsequential. Nothing is more entertaining than buying some silly plastic lightsabers from the store, gathering your friends and flicking your wrist to extend those brightly colored accordioned tubes. The welts are worth it.
If you guys enjoy Jedi Knight's combat system, try the community mod, Movie Battles 2, which adds a substantial amount of additional depth to the lightsaber mechanics and feel.
-(BREAD)-Thebiggerboat3 i tried that mod, but the learn curve is too big, i got frustrated because i was not able to kill a single lightsaber user using mine
It's not a casual game by any means. It takes a great amount of practice, as the game does it's best to supply an accurate and realistic feel to make authentic dueling scenarios that people love to play out. I do not recommend the mod for casual play.
My favorite combat was from Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. It played like Outcast and even though you could not switch it later at one point it gives you the option to choose between single , dual, or dualblade lightsabers, which have different movies associated with them and also allowed you to change between stances. Like Outcast you were able to run along walls and being able to back flip and with the dual blade your dodges were quite acrobatic. To me Outcast and Academy are the games that made you feel like real Jedi.
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Krispy Stuff lol I prefer the old LEGO Star Wars cuz they don’t talk. I love how they sometimes mumble to say something. They look over to obi wan about the ship in episode 1. Obi wan: *shrugs shoulders* *idk mumble* It’s kinda weird to see the LEGO characters talking now.
Definitely not the worst. Star Wars Kinect exists. However, lightsaber combat, melee combat,and ranged combat in KotOR are all essentially identical, so it isn't much higher than the worst. KotOR and especially KotOR II definitely have better plots and far more intricate and beloved characters, but they suffer when it comes to gameplay, although I will say that I'm a big fan of the melee animations that go on. Makes the game that bit more immersive.
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Not so very popular mod to Jedi Academy named Movie Battles II has by far the most complex and engaging lightsaber combat system I've ever stumbled upon. Definitely worth checking out ;)
Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy were two of the best Star Wars games I've ever played. The lightsaber combat in those two games was immense and I thoroughly enjoyed them. 👍🏻
jedi knight 2 and jedi academy. ı mean cmoon its lightsaber. 1 hit you die, 1 hit even main boss in the game can die. thats it. its not a wood stick you didnt have to hit 1000 times to bosses like other shitty star wars games!
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I know, I did a sommersault over dessans head with my lightsaber held straight upside down and killed him instantly. I was like whuut? thats it the boss fight? took me over another 20 tries to do it again though. still the best and only valid LIGHTSABER games: outcast and academy,
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I bought jedi night 2 jedi outcast when I was 10 at a charity store for 99p. Brilliant game. I loved the fact that you had 10 different weapons always on you
Thing is that Jedi academy is still being modded to this day, constantly improving its combat system. Movie Battles 2 for example has experienced a long series of updates that's improved on the base combat as well as introduce new mechanics to further recreate lightsaber combat we see on screen.
To be fair, his primary complaint was that lightsaber combat was underutilized, not that the motion controls made it bad. This is understandable since the game's primary focus is on force combat as opposed to lightsaber combat.
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The Dark Forces / Jedi Knight series has always had consistent, and great controls. JO and JA especially. One of the craziest techniques I've seen and still see online is the ability to move your mouse quick enough and accurately enough to essentially hold your blade still inside an enemy's body while performing attack combinations. It usually ends of being a 1 hit kill and breaks all blocks.
Why nobody know about Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Lightsaber duel on Wii??????? This game was the best for lightsaber combat, because the game was just about this!!!!
Thanks for watching the video! Interesting point, because The Force Unleashed and The Clone Wars were both developed by the same developer, Krome, which was actually based in Australia oddly enough.
Saying that jedi knight outcast has a not a very technical combatsystem tells me how poor your understanding is. Playing in various esports 1vs1 non force lightsaber duel tournaments and leagues I can say it is very very technical. Every stroke with the lightsaber has to be planned out very carefully and you will not be able to win against anyone who has more understanding about the different types of the attacks and stances.
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Something i enjoy in Star Wars KOTOR is lightsaber customization. It really matters in your campaign and gives you a sensation of unique, that the lightsaber is not oblivious to you, a weapon the game pushes in your character, there's a meaning on it, etc. Although the duel is not real time based, strikes and force powers are very well integrated, and you can feel the game punishing you if you don't use it wisely, for exemple, being beated without a chance of victory by bosses. Character class, distribution of points in force powers, habilities, lightsaber customization, all that matters! Not to mention game's history... omg!
The system born in Outcast is the only one I know of that treats lightsabers like laser swords, not glowing baseball bats. In every other Star Wars game I can think of, you just whack enemies (sometimes physically knocking them around, somehow) until they fall down, and if there's any use of acrobatics, it's usually a just jumping straight up and coming straight down again, stabbing the ground with a lightsaber somehow producing a shockwave. In Outcast and Academy, if you run up to someone with your saber drawn, standing close enough that your stance has it clipping through their body, it'll slowly kill them even if you don't press any kind of attack button.
i cant even remember how to play jedi outcast/academy without dismemberment On, you would almost NEVER jump unless it was to get away, it was all about precise hits and timing and on jedi master difficulty with manual block mod and with "realisticsaberccombat" cheat on.... oh man those one hit kill epic duels....fuck it im going to play it right now
the mod for chivalry did it best...you had horizontal, vertical and sweeping attacks, all of them had a second alternate direction for each attack and if you hit someone's limb their limb would come clean off in one swing, if they successfully blocked you would clash, it was awesome
Well I don't agree with your statement when you said Jk2:JO lightsaber combat was not focused on precision but rather fluid momentum. That might be somewhat true only in the single player game but it is far more important to be accurate with your strikes and parries in the multiplayer game. So often was I slain when I failed to line up a devastating slash overhead and was miffed when I couldn't connect with a fast combo. It's reticle is very useful and sometimes you can use it to perform a special acrobatic strike.
For me it's episode 3. That game was designed exclusively around saber combat. Even for it being a hack n' slash it was really fluid and closer represented the saber fighting we saw in the movie. You could block a lot frequently and the ability to pull off combos and do special moves was very rewarding. It's still one of the few games that has a duel mode. I'm glad I still have it, it's still very fun.
ahh, good ol' Jedi Acadamy, I'll never forget the moment I finally defeated Ragnos/Tavion on Jedi Master difficulty. that was quite the game. definitely getting my vote for best lightsaber combat.
I don't care how good Anakin, Luke or Rey are... If they can barely even stand against 1 sith while Katarn beats up 10 of them at once, they are nothing.
Jedi Outcast hands down. You can utilize three lightsaber disciplines: weak/fast, slow/powerful, normal. Use the control stick with your swings to swing in different directions, even add in a jump to do crazy jump saber flips. Also the best part that made Jedi Outcast really sell well: PC version online play and Jedi Arena. Join a server, lightsabers only, you'll have a blast wrecking players online in lightsaber duels. Plus you can get your friends, chat with them, and set up private rooms to either do machinimas, RPs, or 1v1s. trust me, you'll have fun. ^w^
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Battlefront 2 2005 version ‘if you were good at it’ was easily the best by far. There range of characters and moves from each and the ability to counter. I can’t explain it and if it wasn’t so laggy on game ranger or steam.... I’d be able to show you
Jedi academy wins for sure. Absolutely best SW game ever made when it comes to playing as a Jedi. Combat in new SW games feels like im just choosing animations instead of actually fighting. So stiff. Force unleashed was quite cool too, but saber combat felt REAL only in Jedi outcast and Jedi academy
Jedi Academy/Outcast actually made you feel like a Jedi from the movies..from lightsavers to force powers...Force Unleashed had very bloated/exaggerated force powers and combat was hack-n-slash which is not how lightsabers work....
yeah, i agree the gameplay does not really hold up, however growing up it still was a fond memory playing it. Heck, i still have it, but its hard to get it to run lol
bruuuuuh....i think that was like, the first video game i ever played. my grandpa had it for his Xbox and once i got my own Xbox he always let me borrow it
Would be great if Battlefront II did something brave and introduced all 8 lightsaber combat styles, attributing them to the heroes known to have mastered them. Especially if you could easily switch between combat styles, depending on your current situation (e.g. defending against blasters, dueling another lightsaber, etc.).
I believe for honor's combat system can translate lightsaber arts into videogames well. EA now needs Jasn Vandenberg who was the creative director of for honor to direct a jedi knight game.
What I did not like about episode 3s combat, was that the saber felt like a baseball bat other than a real lightsaber. Jedi Academy or Outcast, is the only realistic and lore friendly lightsaber combat out there.
thanks for checking out the video, I agree, hack n slash games rarely have the impact they need. Arkham Asylum changed a lot in terms of how brawlers are made i guess
Anyone else think that this man sounds like the dude from fudgemuppet, both in sound of voice and in the way he presents his arguments? This is a really excellent video!
Although Knights of the Old Republic doesn't offer much in the way of exciting lightsaber control mechanics, I loved the way that acquiring and customizing lightsabers was woven into the narrative.
I disagree on one thing, and that is your conclusion that the lightsaber combat in Jedi Outcast is "not precise and built more around movement and traversal." This kinda depends on how you play. If you jump around like a madman swinging wildly and hoping for the best, sure. And don't get me wrong, that's a legit and often fun way to play. But you can also be cautious and calculating, trying to anticipate what your opponent will do and react accordingly. It's possible to fight the Reborn "samurai style" where the two of you just stare at each other for a while and then the fight ends in a single exchange. (Especially if you crank up the saber damage and dismemberment to realistic levels.) The reason for this is that the lightsaber can attack from eight different directions depending on how you move Kyle around, which is a very simple and intuitive way of doing it. Add to that the fact that any time a lightsaber blade strikes another lightsaber blade for _any reason,_ it counts as a parry. (Which is something I wish more games would do - usually the weapons just pass through each other unless you hit a parry button.) So if you and your opponent both do a forwards vertical swing, or diagonal swings with intersecting vectors, it becomes a parry or blade lock assuming you time it right since you are slamming your sabers into each other. But if your opponent does a vertical swing and you see him raise his arms, you can do a quick horizontal swing across his torso where his guard is open. As a bonus, doing so will usually cause you to sidestep his attack as well. This is, basically, a simplified version of what actual swordsmen try to do: Reading the opponent's movements and attempting to strike an opening without getting hit themselves. Because of this, Jedi Outcast allows for both quick, fairly realistic lightsaber duels which make you feel very skilled, as well as the kind of epic, minute-long "flynning" duels we see in the movies, depending on your play style, patience and temperament. This is not just the best lightsaber combat I've ever seen in a Star Wars game to date (though I'm cautiously optimistic about Fallen Order, which I have yet to play) but possibly the best _sword-fighting mechanic_ I've ever seen period. (Jedi Academy was just more of the same, and I think I liked it a bit more as a Star Wars game/Jedi simulator, though I recall having some trouble gaining the same amount of fine skill with the dual and double-bladed sabers.)
I'm honestly amazed how the AI can respond to what you're doing in those old games. You're indeed correct, if you're 1v1 there are times when both you and the AI can stop fighting for a while and just exchange hits from time to time without jumping around. Sometimes the AI even "mocks" you by turning its lightsaber off. Of course if you decide to jump around, the AI opponent is going to do the same and the battle feels like pure chaos. Basically you can replicate the lightsaber duels from the prequels (flashy, more chaotic stuff) and from the original trilogy (slower pace, more calculated moves) - and the AI opponents allow whatever you choose! Outcast and Academy had more love put into them than any of the newer action SW games (I'm excluding RPGs like KoTORs, it's not fair comparing them since they're completely different). And since you can spawn enemies in those games through console, you can create random lightsaber duels whenever you want on whatever map you want.
@@_Seru_ Man, I spent _so_ much time spawning Reborn in interesting locations just to have cool fights. Sometimes I spawned in dozens of the weakest type and set the ligthsaber damage to maximum, just to see how many I could take out before one of them landed a good hit.
@@RelativelyBest One of my favorite spots to create random fights was Hoth in Academy, the map is huge compared to most others and this Imperial "fortress" there was really cool. Recently I downloaded a mod called Knights of the Force (if I'm not mistaken it's for both Outcast and Academy), it doesn't change the combat system but it adds a lot of maps from the movies/other games and a lot of spawnable characters from practically every era (Old Republic, Clone Wars, original trilogy), so you can for example fight as Obi-Wan against Vader on the Death Star (or the other way around) if you want. It's basically base game plus tons of new models and maps, you can play a random map and just spawn whatever you want. They even added a spawn menu, so you don't need to bother with the console.
Knights of the Old Republic had really satisfying combat animations. Exceptionally so for a point and click RPG. I remember feeling more immersed in the drama of combat.
Too bad Soul Calibur didn't have more Star Wars characters. I'd like too see lightsaber fighting game with Soul Calibur engine but don't expect Disney to do it since they hate Clone Wars era and most Jedi and Sith are from that era
i honestly think the episode 3 game had the best feeling lightsaber combat. it felt like actually sword fighting, where the moves you choose actually could give you an advantage or leave you vulnerable. plus, all the characters played differently, had different moves and forces powers. force powers were supplementary to lightsaber combat that worked best together.
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast/Academy, without question. This isn't even up for debate. No hack n slash bullshit like Episode III and those shitty Force Unleashed games. Those Jedi games made you feel like you were playing as legit lightsaber-wielding Force users; the gameplay implemented by the developers was not only accurate but it truly was superb. It's rather unfortunate that the team won't reunite and make another game. I have a feeling that those games were one hit wonders.
but here's the real question: What about that amazing motion-controlled plug-and-play game?!? That had you actually holding a (partial) lightsaber and the duels with both jedi and other enemies felt really fun!
Everyone raging about Jedi Academy being better than Jedi Outcast, just because it is easier... It has a way smaller storyline and a fucked up multiplayer ._.
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The Jedi academy series, Kinect, kotor, and the original SW arcade is on my list of the best lightsaber combat games :) honorable mentions: ROTS game, Obi wan solo game, and so many more. Lol! The force is strong with this vid.
both jedi academy and jedi outcast really made the lightsaber fluent and strategic...but the best motion control games was indeed Star Wars TFU...however Star Wars lightsaber duels really combined both input combinations and motion controls to fit the classic fighting genre...
still jedi academy offer dual wielded sabers & lightsaber staff combat like maul and Aayla Secura.... including more strategic acrobatics...but JKA is the best
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Love Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy for the way the saber works. Probably my favorite. Always liked the original Xbox game Obi Wan, how you swung depended on the position of the thumb stick when you pressed the attack button.
I think one nice thing about the force unleashed (I haven't played the wii port in years so i'm not sure if it applies to it as well) was how the levels where basically littered with intractable objects, all could be lifted, thrown about or used as stepping stone using the force, you can even use lighting on some of them for some extra effects. It helped lend to the importance of your force powers like nothing short of a jedi could clear these levels as you craft stairways using broken tie fighter pieces.
Great to hear your opinion! Thanks for checking out the video. Yeah The Force Unleashed on Wii has some crafty pieces of design. Actually designed by an Australian studio as well.
Jedi knight II:Jedi outcast with the multiplayer mod (fix) 1.04 PATCH!!! for saber duels (far better than game play saber). I played academy after its release and it just wasn't the same, which is why alot of players left the game. Raven created something incredible which has yet to be repeated. Too all who played FFA's on bespin where incredible! Duels in the death star where awesome. Pwning Noob Raids on Clan servers where epic. EKJO...JO...BSoV....(Wheres Berserk!)....im sad now....
Fair enough. I have a soft spot for that level in the Episode 3 game for PS2 where Anakin first turns to the dark side and your mission is to go to the Archives. So many young foolish Jedi got levitated above the ground, choked, and then stabbed with a lightsaber in that level, ah fun times.
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I still feel like we need more "direct-control" melee/superpower games like these. I'm talking in general now, but star wars themed with a nice campaign would really *really* make me happy ;D
Star Wars Obi Wan for the Original Xbox was my all time favorite game growing up. The lightsaber was controlled entirely by the right stick. It made for really entertaining gameplay.
There is one reason among others why Academy and Outcast stand out from the crowd. Lightsaber experience is what you'd expect it to be. One swing of laser blade is enough to slaughter an average oponent. For this one reason you can appreciate power of jedi weapon and immediately reject all the blasters and less elegant weapons handled by average mortals.
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Jedi knights Jedi academy for the first Xbox is officially why I have trouble playing other star wars games. The satisfaction it gave me to either be a Sith or jedi, saber or force kill, crush bones against walls with grip or remove their arms before slowly decapitating them. It didn't matter. So far the ultimate star wars game for me. But you mention some ok ones, thank you.
Has this guy not heard of the RoTS video game? It has some of the best lightsaber combat I've ever seen . It's like a 3-D fighting game. The only thing holding it back was content.
The Louster it is a fun game, but what he was looking for for a video was to stray away from a Hack-and-slash game but more on a unique take using a light saber.
griz312 ^This. It may be a hack and slash game, but it was still a good one, and a very good one at that, which makes me think it deserves recognition for it.
I remember spending hundreds of hours in Jedi Outcast's multiplayer. Just sinking entire afternoons in different servers dueling people 1 on 1. Other players would stand around and watch duels, and then fight the winner. Etc. There was actual etiquette. No game has really been able to do lightsaber combat better than Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy. And even those games could've done it a lot better. No game has gotten it "right" yet. I did have a lot of fun with the Revenge of the Sith game on Xbox though. It was surprisingly fun for a cookie cutter single player hack & slash type game.
I love Jedi Academy/Outcast, but I don't understand how anyone feels like it is the pinnacle of lightsaber combat...I often feel like Im swinging the lightsaber around like a baseball bat with all the characters. The Episode 3 game on Xbox had the best lightsaber combat in my opinion, but was limited with its short character roster, but every character felt unique in how they played. For example, Anakin was very aggressive in his signature Djem So stance. Dooku's was portrayed as more elegant, akin to his makashi stance. Windu was all over the place, emulating vaapaad. I only wish there were more characters. *sigh* we'll never see another game like that though. Not with Disney/EA at the helm of all future Star Wars content. They also tend to take the stance that a lightsaber is a baseball bat and should be used as such...
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Game Brain Yo, there is one game you neglect. Star Wars E3 : The Videogame. Best multiplayer dual system on ps2. But thats just my opinion would you please make a video on it.
It's jedi fallen order
Why would you chose the wii version over PC version of the force unleashed?
The wii version is the dumbed down version of the main consoles
@@LayerZlayer2000 nope lol
Jedi Academy was the best. Now to watch the video.
Was about to say this. Why do Outcast when Academy does not only the same 3 single forms but twin and dual sabers too.
Also it fixes the overpoweredness of force speed with mid to high level enemies also using it. Also that catacombs mission was the shit!!
Which one, the jedi burial place or korriban final?
Catacombs level I remember being fun as hell.
but Korriban final as Dark side path was better IMO.
Not only do you take on every Sith already in the level, but also all the Jedi there who would have helped you if you chose to spare that little shit Rosh(?). You get these crazy 3 way fights thru the level as you try to screw everyone over by taking the power-staff for yourself.
Also fighting Kyle Katarn at the end was cooler than fighting a spooky ghost.
Amen love Academy still have my physical copy of it but went a head and bought it on GOG.com as well.
Jedi Outcast understood that damage done on enemy character models is what makes a lightsaber feel like a real lightsaber. In the recent Battlefront series it feels like a glow stick because zero damage is visible after slashing away. Mild burn marks on clothing would've been enough to showcase how dangerously hot sabers are to the touch, but no, there's n o t h i n g .
The biggest problem for all battlefront games is that its just auto locking button mashing. There is no thought behind it besides "okay now I don't attack and block, now I attack"
There needs to be more freedom in how you attack with the lightsaber to make it feel right
@@wile123456 this is very not true. BF2 dueling has soooo much better mechanics than every other SW game
@@dopendous someone has obviously never played Movie Battles 2 for Jedi Academy lol
@@wile123456 that game looks and feels WAY too clunky for it to be any good. you’re just wearing the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia buddy
@@dopendous "looks and feels" again showing you haven't played it.
Also it's a mod, it's only a little bit older than the newer battlefront games, I'm not talking about Jedi acedemy I'm talking about Movie Battles. It has the most in depth lightsaber combat that is highly strategic. Highest skill ceiling of any star wars game, so of course Noobs like you won't enjoy it
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I liked the saber combat in the Episode 3 Game
me too. It was more of a fighting game but worked really will with what a lightsaber dual feels like. The action parts worked well too making you feel the power of the lightsaber one kill idea.
Conner Shadrick way better than the other 2 shit-kicker games on this video (you know which games I'm talkin' about.)
Y love episode 3 game !!!
Add the best PVP light saber fighting
YES! I never hear anyone else mention it, but that game has some really badass pvp!!
Wanna hear a joke?
Battlefront 2015's lightsaber combat
The person who came up with that combat should be fired
:)
Lolol
Stevie Mcdonut HAHAHAHAHAHAH THAT IS SO FUNNY I CANT EVENX SPELL,CB OMG I CANT HAHXHAHAUAHHAHAHAHhahdkdhhd THAT MADE MY DAY OMG ICANT DEVN SPEELL AGAIN NOT WVEN MY GRAMMAR IS GOODied
The fighting mechanics are like a kid bumping two action figures together
I really feel like the Episode III Revenge of the Sith game is overlooked when it comes to lightsaber combat. One of the greatest games of my childhood along with the original Star Wars Battlefront II. Really feel like Revenge of the Sith game deserves a spot on this list. Hours of fun and replay value is through the roof.
Matthew Bevis Agreed. I wish there was an online battle feature.
Never played it, but I really wanted to, and that alternative ending was sooo cool...
Yeah no, it was your basic hack and slash variety in both games, episode 3 was however the best 1vs1'beatem up' type game available what with the combos and different movesets, but for saber combat pick the Jedi knight games up they are the only ones that come anywhere close to semi realistic duels even if the learning curve is steep.
Idk, if you knew how to do the saber trap shunt or whatever the move is called you could basically do it every attack possibly scoring free hits.
@@TheNateness123 I definitely agree with the hack and slash. I guess I never really got the hang of the Jedi outcast and Jedi academy games. Played them both a few times and it has a really strange learning curve that I just never got the hang of even on lower difficulties
That's a dumb question.. It's obviously Jedi Academy.. runner up being Jedi Outcast which had first person lightsaber combat..
GMMReviews yupp. 100% agree.
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its not a dumb question. jedi outcast was much more balanced, jedi academy was a glitchfest. with that said, i had loads of fun in jka, its just, objectively speaking jka was messed up.
Force Unleashed?
the best saber combat in any game is movie battles 2 mod for jka not just jka
Episode 3 the game was fun and the combat had enough depth that you could actually get good at dueling with friends.
Yeah, there were characters that you could only play in multiplayer that actually had some pretty cool movesets.
I wish there had been a cheat that let you play as all characters in single player.
@@Myth_or_Mystery76 I always wondered why you couldn’t choose any character for the coop survival mode would’ve made it much cooler and give more use to the characters
The only thing about the game I wish were better is that the force powers weren’t so restrictive. It’ll give you these spots that you HAVE to force jump in that spot ONLY instead of traversing the levels and figuring out how to use the force powers your own way. The combat is still solid and the lightsaber battles are the highlight of the game.
I think one of the major reasons people enjoy Jedi Outcast/Academy's saber combat can be boiled down to one thing:
You can move while attacking.
I know that sounds like such a minor thing, but in every other Star Wars game I'm aware of and have played, you stop moving when you swing your saber. Even in Force Unleashed, where plenty of your attacks come with a degree of movement, you still lose control when you're doing them. Outcast and Academy let you keep running in whatever direction you were going, back up, jump etc in tandem with attacking, which made you feel super mobile, and even let you feel like you could mow through mooks with no problem better than TFU's hallway-clearing force pushes can. I mean, the ability to do all those moves and jump off walls and such was fun too, but the simple thing of never taking control away from the player made it feel like a part of you - which is how a saber should feel, like part of it's user, the player.
This^. I love how mobile you can be in Jedi Outcast/Academy. One of my favorite features is how your saber swings are different depending on which direction you are moving. Academy went a step further to introduce combos which made saber combat even more varied.
Only real problem was the special moves which I remember the community called "butterflying". Even tho they were predictable and locked you into a long animation of flurry acrobatic moves and swings, you could still one shot other players with it. It was frowned upon and seen as noobish to even use them. Especially with dual sabers.
The original Battlefront 2 allowed you to move while attacking, but had very simple if well animated lightsaber combat that was just left clicking.
Star Wars: Obiwan also allowed you to stay on the move while attacking. The game gets a lot of flak for many reasons, but if you're able to truly master the controls I think it does a great job of making you feel like you have full agency over your lightsaber.
This is all inconsequential. Nothing is more entertaining than buying some silly plastic lightsabers from the store, gathering your friends and flicking your wrist to extend those brightly colored accordioned tubes.
The welts are worth it.
although, Jedi Knight was used as a staple on that short lived competitive gaming show on G4 tv - Arena.
umm yes.
If you guys enjoy Jedi Knight's combat system, try the community mod, Movie Battles 2, which adds a substantial amount of additional depth to the lightsaber mechanics and feel.
Not to mention, it's free, multi-player, with a very active community.
-(BREAD)-Thebiggerboat3 yes I love that mod
-(BREAD)-Thebiggerboat3 i tried that mod, but the learn curve is too big, i got frustrated because i was not able to kill a single lightsaber user using mine
Darthpepo I know what you mean but it's good when people are actually nice
It's not a casual game by any means. It takes a great amount of practice, as the game does it's best to supply an accurate and realistic feel to make authentic dueling scenarios that people love to play out. I do not recommend the mod for casual play.
I think Jedi academy had the over all best light saber combat by adding to outcast
For sure, I think Academy was the first Star Wars game I ever played. I need to replay it soon. Thanks for checking out the video!
Game Brain thanks for making it keep up the great content
Agreed, Jedi Academy is an improvement to Jedi Outcast.
No, thank you! Glad to enjoyed it :)
Agreed.
My favorite combat was from Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. It played like Outcast and even though you could not switch it later at one point it gives you the option to choose between single , dual, or dualblade lightsabers, which have different movies associated with them and also allowed you to change between stances.
Like Outcast you were able to run along walls and being able to back flip and with the dual blade your dodges were quite acrobatic. To me Outcast and Academy are the games that made you feel like real Jedi.
thepayne78 100% agreed. Best games for playing as a lightsaber-wielding Force user
do you know Movie Battles II mod? it is still popular
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I got the game on ps4 and it’s fun I wish I could play the movie duel mod tho
It's obviously Lego Star Wars
ya
I don't know if this is a joke or serious answer
its seriose very very seriose
Krispy Stuff lol I prefer the old LEGO Star Wars cuz they don’t talk. I love how they sometimes mumble to say something. They look over to obi wan about the ship in episode 1.
Obi wan: *shrugs shoulders* *idk mumble*
It’s kinda weird to see the LEGO characters talking now.
actually yes, it was some very simple combat but still good.
I think we all agree that Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy had the best lightsaber combat.
KOTOR is an easy second place.
Definitely not the worst. Star Wars Kinect exists. However, lightsaber combat, melee combat,and ranged combat in KotOR are all essentially identical, so it isn't much higher than the worst. KotOR and especially KotOR II definitely have better plots and far more intricate and beloved characters, but they suffer when it comes to gameplay, although I will say that I'm a big fan of the melee animations that go on. Makes the game that bit more immersive.
You're probably only hating because you suck at at.
No offense.
Also, you're probably right when you say it's not even close to second place.
It's just one of my favorite Star Wars games. Hope you understand.
All the jedi knight games
I have *execute order 66* likes =^P
Jedi Academy. Did you see how many different strikes and combos you can do???
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Daniel Kiran jddjdnsndjd
Daniel Kiran yeah right your lIke an actual Jedi jumping and dodging hits
Idk why people love it seems trash to me tbh revenge of the south and force unleashed is better or maybe I didn’t experience the game enough yet
@@marlbartony1621 ???
Not so very popular mod to Jedi Academy named Movie Battles II has by far the most complex and engaging lightsaber combat system I've ever stumbled upon. Definitely worth checking out ;)
Илья Рогачев thanks for watching! Good to know, used to play a ton of Jedi Academy, i need to make another video on it!
Game Brain man I wish that development group had gotten to make more games, Jedi academy is the most replayed game in my library
movie battle 2 truly has the best lightsaber mechanics. I wish ea would take that kind of approach in a game.
Alex Bren nooo if ea did it they would make the seven styles only let you have 3 and charge you an extra 45 on the others
Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy were two of the best Star Wars games I've ever played. The lightsaber combat in those two games was immense and I thoroughly enjoyed them. 👍🏻
jedi knight 2 and jedi academy. ı mean cmoon its lightsaber. 1 hit you die, 1 hit even main boss in the game can die. thats it. its not a wood stick you didnt have to hit 1000 times to bosses like other shitty star wars games!
check out Movie Battles II mod gameplay
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I know, I did a sommersault over dessans head with my lightsaber held straight upside down and killed him instantly.
I was like whuut? thats it the boss fight? took me over another 20 tries to do it again though. still the best and only valid LIGHTSABER games: outcast and academy,
Kuroudo Akabane the only reason you didn't die there was because he didn't have the high ground
No revenge of the sith was a good game and movie but that would be O.P so u can't that's just dumb and easy
Revenge of Sith on XBOX,PC,PS2 was best lightsaber combat
sniper5880 True
YES!
TRUUU
That game wasn't released on pc dude
not on pc, but i do agree, I had a lot of fun even when just dueling the computer.
Jedi Academy is the best and i play it everyday its the best specially if you have the mod Moviebattles 2
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watched :)
Yeah movie battles 2 is awesome!
I bought jedi night 2 jedi outcast when I was 10 at a charity store for 99p. Brilliant game. I loved the fact that you had 10 different weapons always on you
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy had the best, still have the best Lightsaber combat of any Star Wars game.
Thing is that Jedi academy is still being modded to this day, constantly improving its combat system. Movie Battles 2 for example has experienced a long series of updates that's improved on the base combat as well as introduce new mechanics to further recreate lightsaber combat we see on screen.
I think you shouldn't buy a Wii specific version of a game, only to complain about the Wii specific controls
PlayStation Fury the controls I. Wii imo were great I n3ver had an issue with accuracy or wrong motion
To be fair, his primary complaint was that lightsaber combat was underutilized, not that the motion controls made it bad. This is understandable since the game's primary focus is on force combat as opposed to lightsaber combat.
Thank you for making a game that kept me playing it for 15 years. Especially for you and your team Mike, as this is the magic of sabering system that did that!
Is there any other game that makes you remind yourself the people you have met years ago by a simple nickname in a random RUclips video comment? Wonderful feeling!
Thank you guys for making that interview! :-)
I remember playing Outcast for the first time, I was enthralled. Its such a great and fun game to play still to this day.
The Dark Forces / Jedi Knight series has always had consistent, and great controls. JO and JA especially. One of the craziest techniques I've seen and still see online is the ability to move your mouse quick enough and accurately enough to essentially hold your blade still inside an enemy's body while performing attack combinations. It usually ends of being a 1 hit kill and breaks all blocks.
Dark Forces is a gem
Why nobody know about Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Lightsaber duel on Wii???????
This game was the best for lightsaber combat, because the game was just about this!!!!
Thanks for watching the video! Interesting point, because The Force Unleashed and The Clone Wars were both developed by the same developer, Krome, which was actually based in Australia oddly enough.
I remember that game! It was great fun. I remember my arm getting tired after doing all the different combos as Grievous xD
RetnoGaming Yeah!
GraveAnteater 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 thank you and what about freaking SWTOR
Tré Thigpen SWTOR is a good game but the lightsaber combat weren't the best
I couldn't really see this from the game play but you do realize using the directional Keys you can move the lightsaber
Saying that jedi knight outcast has a not a very technical combatsystem tells me how poor your understanding is. Playing in various esports 1vs1 non force lightsaber duel tournaments and leagues I can say it is very very technical. Every stroke with the lightsaber has to be planned out very carefully and you will not be able to win against anyone who has more understanding about the different types of the attacks and stances.
Revenge of the Sith had the best lightsaber combat.
Jedi Knight 2 and Jedi Academy by far.
Nothing beats Jedi Academy and Jedi Outcast. Though ROTS' combat was definetly really good for a fighting game.
VYNLT the only problem was the saber locks in duels the button mash never worked nor did the saberlock moves.
spearfisherman308 You must rapidly press square and triangle in order to push.
Sambe. tried it and it still didn't work I tried it on both the Xbox and ps2 versions
Jedi knight without a doubt, felt like you were actually using a saber.
jedi academy of course!!!!
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Jedi Knight 2 Jedi Outcast will forever be my most played and most entertaining Star Wars game so far. followed by battlefront
Something i enjoy in Star Wars KOTOR is lightsaber customization.
It really matters in your campaign and gives you a sensation of unique, that the lightsaber is not oblivious to you, a weapon the game pushes in your character, there's a meaning on it, etc.
Although the duel is not real time based, strikes and force powers are very well integrated, and you can feel the game punishing you if you don't use it wisely, for exemple, being beated without a chance of victory by bosses.
Character class, distribution of points in force powers, habilities, lightsaber customization, all that matters! Not to mention game's history... omg!
“Appearing in essentially every Star Wars video game”
What? No! So many games with no light sabers
There are some without them like those Starfighter games and that one clone war fps cant remember its name and the boba Fett one for ps2
The system born in Outcast is the only one I know of that treats lightsabers like laser swords, not glowing baseball bats. In every other Star Wars game I can think of, you just whack enemies (sometimes physically knocking them around, somehow) until they fall down, and if there's any use of acrobatics, it's usually a just jumping straight up and coming straight down again, stabbing the ground with a lightsaber somehow producing a shockwave.
In Outcast and Academy, if you run up to someone with your saber drawn, standing close enough that your stance has it clipping through their body, it'll slowly kill them even if you don't press any kind of attack button.
i cant even remember how to play jedi outcast/academy without dismemberment On, you would almost NEVER jump unless it was to get away, it was all about precise hits and timing and on jedi master difficulty with manual block mod and with "realisticsaberccombat" cheat on.... oh man those one hit kill epic duels....fuck it im going to play it right now
the mod for chivalry did it best...you had horizontal, vertical and sweeping attacks, all of them had a second alternate direction for each attack and if you hit someone's limb their limb would come clean off in one swing, if they successfully blocked you would clash, it was awesome
Well I don't agree with your statement when you said Jk2:JO lightsaber combat was not focused on precision but rather fluid momentum. That might be somewhat true only in the single player game but it is far more important to be accurate with your strikes and parries in the multiplayer game. So often was I slain when I failed to line up a devastating slash overhead and was miffed when I couldn't connect with a fast combo. It's reticle is very useful and sometimes you can use it to perform a special acrobatic strike.
outcast saber is glitchy and broken compared to jka which is much more fluid and less artificial
multiplayer-wise
For me it's episode 3. That game was designed exclusively around saber combat. Even for it being a hack n' slash it was really fluid and closer represented the saber fighting we saw in the movie. You could block a lot frequently and the ability to pull off combos and do special moves was very rewarding. It's still one of the few games that has a duel mode. I'm glad I still have it, it's still very fun.
Jedi Outcast and the other games in the Jedi Knight series will always be my favorite Star Wars games
ahh, good ol' Jedi Acadamy, I'll never forget the moment I finally defeated Ragnos/Tavion on Jedi Master difficulty. that was quite the game. definitely getting my vote for best lightsaber combat.
Great to hear your opinion. Look for my next video, you might get another glance at the Jedi Knight series.
I don't care how good Anakin, Luke or Rey are... If they can barely even stand against 1 sith while Katarn beats up 10 of them at once, they are nothing.
grafimir Gmr
Anakin killed an entire temple full of them though lol.
Ummm anakin killed hundreds of Jedi and killed the best Jedi lightsaber duelist in the order
Jedi Outcast hands down. You can utilize three lightsaber disciplines: weak/fast, slow/powerful, normal. Use the control stick with your swings to swing in different directions, even add in a jump to do crazy jump saber flips. Also the best part that made Jedi Outcast really sell well: PC version online play and Jedi Arena. Join a server, lightsabers only, you'll have a blast wrecking players online in lightsaber duels. Plus you can get your friends, chat with them, and set up private rooms to either do machinimas, RPs, or 1v1s. trust me, you'll have fun. ^w^
Academy by far
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Battlefront 2 2005 version ‘if you were good at it’ was easily the best by far. There range of characters and moves from each and the ability to counter. I can’t explain it and if it wasn’t so laggy on game ranger or steam.... I’d be able to show you
Jedi academy wins for sure. Absolutely best SW game ever made when it comes to playing as a Jedi. Combat in new SW games feels like im just choosing animations instead of actually fighting. So stiff. Force unleashed was quite cool too, but saber combat felt REAL only in Jedi outcast and Jedi academy
I always thought the "cutting system" of Metal Gear Rising would match a star wars game well 🤔
Jedi Academy/Outcast actually made you feel like a Jedi from the movies..from lightsavers to force powers...Force Unleashed had very bloated/exaggerated force powers and combat was hack-n-slash which is not how lightsabers work....
I REALLY want a game that's basically For Honor's combat but with lightsabers.
Star Wars: Obi Wan Kenobi on xbox is one of my favorites, Jedi academy also.
Lord Drellus lifesaber in kenobi yes game itself hell no
yeah, i agree the gameplay does not really hold up, however growing up it still was a fond memory playing it. Heck, i still have it, but its hard to get it to run lol
Lord Drellus that battle royal mode ia a blast though a special type of combat
bruuuuuh....i think that was like, the first video game i ever played. my grandpa had it for his Xbox and once i got my own Xbox he always let me borrow it
Many fond memories of this game
Would be great if Battlefront II did something brave and introduced all 8 lightsaber combat styles, attributing them to the heroes known to have mastered them. Especially if you could easily switch between combat styles, depending on your current situation (e.g. defending against blasters, dueling another lightsaber, etc.).
Jedi Academy, hands down... it surprises me that 15 years later and no one has made anything as good. SHAME!
I believe for honor's combat system can translate lightsaber arts into videogames well.
EA now needs Jasn Vandenberg who was the creative director of for honor to direct a jedi knight game.
What I did not like about episode 3s combat, was that the saber felt like a baseball bat other than a real lightsaber. Jedi Academy or Outcast, is the only realistic and lore friendly lightsaber combat out there.
thanks for checking out the video, I agree, hack n slash games rarely have the impact they need. Arkham Asylum changed a lot in terms of how brawlers are made i guess
Anyone else think that this man sounds like the dude from fudgemuppet, both in sound of voice and in the way he presents his arguments? This is a really excellent video!
Jedi knight 2 was by far the best
Although Knights of the Old Republic doesn't offer much in the way of exciting lightsaber control mechanics, I loved the way that acquiring and customizing lightsabers was woven into the narrative.
I disagree on one thing, and that is your conclusion that the lightsaber combat in Jedi Outcast is "not precise and built more around movement and traversal." This kinda depends on how you play. If you jump around like a madman swinging wildly and hoping for the best, sure. And don't get me wrong, that's a legit and often fun way to play. But you can also be cautious and calculating, trying to anticipate what your opponent will do and react accordingly. It's possible to fight the Reborn "samurai style" where the two of you just stare at each other for a while and then the fight ends in a single exchange. (Especially if you crank up the saber damage and dismemberment to realistic levels.)
The reason for this is that the lightsaber can attack from eight different directions depending on how you move Kyle around, which is a very simple and intuitive way of doing it. Add to that the fact that any time a lightsaber blade strikes another lightsaber blade for _any reason,_ it counts as a parry. (Which is something I wish more games would do - usually the weapons just pass through each other unless you hit a parry button.)
So if you and your opponent both do a forwards vertical swing, or diagonal swings with intersecting vectors, it becomes a parry or blade lock assuming you time it right since you are slamming your sabers into each other. But if your opponent does a vertical swing and you see him raise his arms, you can do a quick horizontal swing across his torso where his guard is open. As a bonus, doing so will usually cause you to sidestep his attack as well. This is, basically, a simplified version of what actual swordsmen try to do: Reading the opponent's movements and attempting to strike an opening without getting hit themselves.
Because of this, Jedi Outcast allows for both quick, fairly realistic lightsaber duels which make you feel very skilled, as well as the kind of epic, minute-long "flynning" duels we see in the movies, depending on your play style, patience and temperament. This is not just the best lightsaber combat I've ever seen in a Star Wars game to date (though I'm cautiously optimistic about Fallen Order, which I have yet to play) but possibly the best _sword-fighting mechanic_ I've ever seen period.
(Jedi Academy was just more of the same, and I think I liked it a bit more as a Star Wars game/Jedi simulator, though I recall having some trouble gaining the same amount of fine skill with the dual and double-bladed sabers.)
I'm honestly amazed how the AI can respond to what you're doing in those old games. You're indeed correct, if you're 1v1 there are times when both you and the AI can stop fighting for a while and just exchange hits from time to time without jumping around. Sometimes the AI even "mocks" you by turning its lightsaber off. Of course if you decide to jump around, the AI opponent is going to do the same and the battle feels like pure chaos. Basically you can replicate the lightsaber duels from the prequels (flashy, more chaotic stuff) and from the original trilogy (slower pace, more calculated moves) - and the AI opponents allow whatever you choose! Outcast and Academy had more love put into them than any of the newer action SW games (I'm excluding RPGs like KoTORs, it's not fair comparing them since they're completely different). And since you can spawn enemies in those games through console, you can create random lightsaber duels whenever you want on whatever map you want.
@@_Seru_ Man, I spent _so_ much time spawning Reborn in interesting locations just to have cool fights. Sometimes I spawned in dozens of the weakest type and set the ligthsaber damage to maximum, just to see how many I could take out before one of them landed a good hit.
@@RelativelyBest One of my favorite spots to create random fights was Hoth in Academy, the map is huge compared to most others and this Imperial "fortress" there was really cool. Recently I downloaded a mod called Knights of the Force (if I'm not mistaken it's for both Outcast and Academy), it doesn't change the combat system but it adds a lot of maps from the movies/other games and a lot of spawnable characters from practically every era (Old Republic, Clone Wars, original trilogy), so you can for example fight as Obi-Wan against Vader on the Death Star (or the other way around) if you want. It's basically base game plus tons of new models and maps, you can play a random map and just spawn whatever you want. They even added a spawn menu, so you don't need to bother with the console.
Knights of the Old Republic had really satisfying combat animations. Exceptionally so for a point and click RPG. I remember feeling more immersed in the drama of combat.
What about Soul Calibur 4 featuring Darth Vader, Starkiller, and Yoda?
Norman Jefferson oh I love that game to bad It don't have trophies :(
Too bad Soul Calibur didn't have more Star Wars characters. I'd like too see lightsaber fighting game with Soul Calibur engine but don't expect Disney to do it since they hate Clone Wars era and most Jedi and Sith are from that era
Somebody should start a petition for that game to be made, I would pre-order it the second it becomes available.
Not the best light saber mechanics, but revenge of the sith was an amazing game! Seeing it on this video brought back some serious nostalgia.
Star Wars Kinect, said no one ever!
i honestly think the episode 3 game had the best feeling lightsaber combat. it felt like actually sword fighting, where the moves you choose actually could give you an advantage or leave you vulnerable. plus, all the characters played differently, had different moves and forces powers. force powers were supplementary to lightsaber combat that worked best together.
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast/Academy, without question. This isn't even up for debate. No hack n slash bullshit like Episode III and those shitty Force Unleashed games. Those Jedi games made you feel like you were playing as legit lightsaber-wielding Force users; the gameplay implemented by the developers was not only accurate but it truly was superb. It's rather unfortunate that the team won't reunite and make another game. I have a feeling that those games were one hit wonders.
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but here's the real question: What about that amazing motion-controlled plug-and-play game?!? That had you actually holding a (partial) lightsaber and the duels with both jedi and other enemies felt really fun!
Thank god I'm not the one who [still] had that game.
Episode 3/Obi-Wan or bust.
Everyone raging about Jedi Academy being better than Jedi Outcast, just because it is easier...
It has a way smaller storyline and a fucked up multiplayer ._.
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Jedi Outcast/Academy only, has acceptable and satisfying combat/movement system. Mechanics in other SW games makes me sick, really
The Jedi academy series, Kinect, kotor, and the original SW arcade is on my list of the best lightsaber combat games :) honorable mentions: ROTS game, Obi wan solo game, and so many more. Lol! The force is strong with this vid.
both jedi academy and jedi outcast really made the lightsaber fluent and strategic...but the best motion control games was indeed Star Wars TFU...however Star Wars lightsaber duels really combined both input combinations and motion controls to fit the classic fighting genre...
still jedi academy offer dual wielded sabers & lightsaber staff combat like maul and Aayla Secura.... including more strategic acrobatics...but JKA is the best
Justin Simon dat sick lightsaber spin with the force to twirl your two sabers around you in a whirlwind of death
yea that was pretty cool to do in JkA
La Nausée realistic combat 1 or something I know the one your on about
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Love Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy for the way the saber works. Probably my favorite. Always liked the original Xbox game Obi Wan, how you swung depended on the position of the thumb stick when you pressed the attack button.
\definitely jedi academy. Anyone whos played it should agree
I think one nice thing about the force unleashed (I haven't played the wii port in years so i'm not sure if it applies to it as well) was how the levels where basically littered with intractable objects, all could be lifted, thrown about or used as stepping stone using the force, you can even use lighting on some of them for some extra effects. It helped lend to the importance of your force powers like nothing short of a jedi could clear these levels as you craft stairways using broken tie fighter pieces.
Great to hear your opinion! Thanks for checking out the video. Yeah The Force Unleashed on Wii has some crafty pieces of design. Actually designed by an Australian studio as well.
Jedi knight II:Jedi outcast with the multiplayer mod (fix) 1.04 PATCH!!! for saber duels (far better than game play saber). I played academy after its release and it just wasn't the same, which is why alot of players left the game. Raven created something incredible which has yet to be repeated. Too all who played FFA's on bespin where incredible! Duels in the death star where awesome. Pwning Noob Raids on Clan servers where epic. EKJO...JO...BSoV....(Wheres Berserk!)....im sad now....
Fair enough. I have a soft spot for that level in the Episode 3 game for PS2 where Anakin first turns to the dark side and your mission is to go to the Archives. So many young foolish Jedi got levitated above the ground, choked, and then stabbed with a lightsaber in that level, ah fun times.
100% jedi knight: jedi academy had the best lightsaber battle
I actually used to play the Wii version a whole bunch before I traded in my Wii. It never got old.
force unleashed 1 for me
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Definitely Lego Star Wars 😂
I may have looked like a fool, swinging the Wii remote around in The Force Unleashed, but dang was it fun.
Jedi Academy was the best!
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I still feel like we need more "direct-control" melee/superpower games like these. I'm talking in general now, but star wars themed with a nice campaign would really *really* make me happy ;D
Check out Star Wars Obi-Wan, it has an epic ligtsaber gameplay, and it's levels are insanely hard.
Star Wars Obi Wan for the Original Xbox was my all time favorite game growing up. The lightsaber was controlled entirely by the right stick. It made for really entertaining gameplay.
Knights of the old Republic was the best hands down.
There is one reason among others why Academy and Outcast stand out from the crowd. Lightsaber experience is what you'd expect it to be. One swing of laser blade is enough to slaughter an average oponent. For this one reason you can appreciate power of jedi weapon and immediately reject all the blasters and less elegant weapons handled by average mortals.
Jedi Academy anyone!??!
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Jedi knights Jedi academy for the first Xbox is officially why I have trouble playing other star wars games. The satisfaction it gave me to either be a Sith or jedi, saber or force kill, crush bones against walls with grip or remove their arms before slowly decapitating them. It didn't matter. So far the ultimate star wars game for me. But you mention some ok ones, thank you.
Star wars obi wan gave us the best use of the saber period!
I'm not surprised that the Force Unleashed had "Force overkill" xD
Has this guy not heard of the RoTS video game? It has some of the best lightsaber combat I've ever seen . It's like a 3-D fighting game. The only thing holding it back was content.
The Louster it is a fun game, but what he was looking for for a video was to stray away from a Hack-and-slash game but more on a unique take using a light saber.
yeah but the thing is it also had the most advanced light-saber combat out of every star wars game I've ever seen.
griz312 ^This. It may be a hack and slash game, but it was still a good one, and a very good one at that, which makes me think it deserves recognition for it.
The Louster no it didn't even match up with the lines from the movie
Hellraiser988 How does that make it a bad game?
I remember spending hundreds of hours in Jedi Outcast's multiplayer. Just sinking entire afternoons in different servers dueling people 1 on 1. Other players would stand around and watch duels, and then fight the winner. Etc. There was actual etiquette.
No game has really been able to do lightsaber combat better than Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy. And even those games could've done it a lot better. No game has gotten it "right" yet.
I did have a lot of fun with the Revenge of the Sith game on Xbox though. It was surprisingly fun for a cookie cutter single player hack & slash type game.
I love Jedi Academy/Outcast, but I don't understand how anyone feels like it is the pinnacle of lightsaber combat...I often feel like Im swinging the lightsaber around like a baseball bat with all the characters. The Episode 3 game on Xbox had the best lightsaber combat in my opinion, but was limited with its short character roster, but every character felt unique in how they played. For example, Anakin was very aggressive in his signature Djem So stance. Dooku's was portrayed as more elegant, akin to his makashi stance. Windu was all over the place, emulating vaapaad. I only wish there were more characters. *sigh* we'll never see another game like that though. Not with Disney/EA at the helm of all future Star Wars content. They also tend to take the stance that a lightsaber is a baseball bat and should be used as such...
Lego Star Wars is the best 😡😡
Me: Sees SWTOR while he's talking about an interesting story and engaging world
Me: *happiness noises*