THE CAR PARK GRAND PRIX! The Story of the Caesar's Palace Circuit (1981-1984)
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2023
- It was flat, it was dull, it was in a car park. That's all you need to know, really.
But it wasn't the first time racing had been held in the Las Vegas area, it was just the first time Formula One had been there, and with F1 returning to the streets of Vegas in a vanity race for money, why not visit the time F1 went to a track nobody liked, as opposed to now where it's a track nobody wants?
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Uncovered grandstands in the desert... What could possibly go wrong?
I'm getting strong Casino and Goodfellas vibes thinking about that.
Since it's at night they'll need parkas. It's going to be damn cold. Don't know how their going to be able to keep any heat in their tires.
What about the time champcar had a race on the streets of Vegas. 2007 it was on Easter sunday, April 8th.
@@brianferus9292 at least it isn't snowing like it did at Spa a couple years ago
They're running around 8-12 at night local time. Dry air in the desert means it loses heat FAST. Current forecast is 40% rain and an overnight low of 11C/52F. Imagine if it's cold and most visitors didn't think to bundle up in a desert, and it rained in the day so the track is green, and sand dusts the track before the race. It could be incredibly miserable for all parties. Worth noting sand isn't a huge problem on the strip, but even a dusting matters at 300kph.
I was a corner marshal at the first Vegas F1 race. The organizers chartered a red-eye bus to bring a bunch of San Francisco Region SCCA workers down to work the race. I was stationed at T13, and none of the drivers could hold their heads up straight by about 3/4 of the way through the race. Also, Patrick Tamaby had a HUGE crash in my corner, and by huge I mean ripped the car in half at about his thighs. He was so lucky to get out of that one... watched him undo his belts stand up, and limp straight forward out of his 'car' because the steering wheel, dash and the rest of the front of the car was gone (it sat a few hundred feet down the road).
What an insane story. Thanks for sharing!
I remember that crash. Saw it in the MSTF1 review (Remember him?)
@@stinkyroadhog1347 NO ONE CAN BREAK THE WINKELROCK!
What was the reason for the drivers not being able to hold their heads up? Too many flat long corners?
Tambay and Andrea de Cesaris came together at turn 3. Patrick's ground effects were most likely damaged. He made it through turn 12 but the back of the car slid out heading for turn 13. He hit the wall right rear first causing the front to snap into the wall and break off. In storage I have photos of the turn 3 incident with de Cesaris, Tambay sliding sideways towards the wall, and and Patrick sitting in what's left of the car. The next year I took 8X10 prints to the Long Beach Grand Prix. Patrick was nice enough to sign them for me. On the after the crash photo he wrote "Close Call!", On the photo of him and de Cesaris he wrote "F**k You Andrea!"
If 2020 showed us anything when it comes to F1, it's that people love permanent circuits and they're much better in every way than street circuits. People were so excited to see Mugello, Istanbul, Portimao and Imola.
Mugello was the perfect track for the all conquering W11
Perfection in the Tuscany hills
And Portimão!
Unfortunately we’ll never get Road America as it’s too big for grade 1
@@noahkoz6873 One of the best tracks in the world but would need a lot of work for it to be grade 1
It also being in an “unattractive” area of the USA doesn’t help as well
@@ohyeahbaby768 Another fantastic track
How to remember the three US Grand Prix using the Sergio Leone Dollars trilogy:
Texas: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
Miami: A Fistful of Dollars
Vegas: For a Few Dollars More
Criminally underrated comment.
Just did a long layover in Vegas over the weekend. Traffic was CRAZY, and the van drivers and the bartenders I talked to at Lawry’s weren’t huge fans of the situation. Their main take: “we’ll all be glad when it’s over.”
so they dont like the loud travelling circus and the people it attracts?
@@p0t4toePotatoVegas is literally a circus 24/7/365. Locals bitch and moan about any kind of street race coming to where they are. We get it, it’s loud.
@@p0t4toePotato If you're a regular bartender (not casino owner) just trying to get to work, and all the roads were being closed all weekend because the rich want to protect their 2K-10K seats (with zero opportunity for poors like you to see anything yourself as you can't afford those insane prices despite living in the city they're racing in), yeah I'd be slightly annoyed too.
This is kind of Las Vegas in a nutshell. Visit, bring all your money, but we'll be annoyed with you the whole time.
I don't think that's an F1 issue though. Las Vegas has hardly any proper transit and no rapid transit so the traffic there is always bad
Verstappen: "First of all, I think we are there more for the show than the racing itself if you look at the layout of the track. But you know, I'm actually not that into it. I'm more like, I'll go there and do my thing and be gone again."
The teams and drivers wanted less races, not more. Liberty Media want to expand into the american market, so they're pushing for races the teams don't want and the fans aren't interested in. Pure greed on Liberty's part, they're still trying to ride the wave from the 2021 season.
I can't speak for other fans in the US, but considering half of the US population is in the eastern time zone like me and will have the race starting at 1am, I don't get the feeling this is meant to appeal to me, either. So I'm really left to wonder who it's for. I guess it will yield good DTS footage and that's all that matters.
@@de-fault_de-fault It's a strange one; a 10pm start is not really for local viewers either and it's 6am or 7am start in Europe. It's hard to think of a worse time to start the race
@@de-fault_de-fault It's been done so European fans still get the same Sat/Sun format. If they raced on a Sunday at the same time slot, it would be a 6am race start on a Monday for those viewing in Europe.
The Buddh International circuit in India doesn't have much tarmac run off now btw. They've converted most of the run off areas to gravel traps for the MotoGP Indian Grand Prix. Just so you know.
That was a great race, at least.
Last time I checked (or the rumours anyway) is that ticket prices are plummeting due to a lack of interest in being ripped off and the scalpers panicking
Hotel prices are down like 80% in some places.
To be fair. This is normal. Modern ticketing systems have dynamic pricing. Some people have been scientifically proven to think things are better when they are priced higher, so Vegas set some outrageous prices. And think of oil executives getting hotel suites for customers. They don't even read the bill. Then the ticket price will bounce around closer to race day. It may go up again if the algorithm deems it possible.
I do think this event is a terrible idea. But don't point to dynamic pricing like it's unexpected.
i'm not surprised. FIA learned NOTHING from this train wreck
@@KevinJDildonik it’s normal, but everybody knew the prices were bollocks when they were first published. Especially since it’s a street race and should in theory be ultra accessible.
Good! There is nothing more satisfying than watching scalpers lose money.
Gee! I sent the link of this video to a relative of mine that lives in Vegas: She was impressed!
She wrote back to me, saying that Aidan really did his homework and did well with the succinct overview and pertinent details about Las Vegas; especially about the details of the defunct Stardust Raceway and the fate of the temporary race track in the 1980s.
Ground effects were banned after 1982, so Mansell's dramatic finish in Dallas in 1984 was because of the high heat and humidity. Also, the 1982 race was Mario Andretti's last in F1.
It was more a “drivers weren’t fit” statement rather than a “ground effect” one.
@@AidanMillwardThat ‘84 Dallas race was a total fucking gongshow. It could be a video in of itself frankly. The Dallas issue was also exacerbated by running a race in Dallas in the middle of the summer, the air temp was 38 fucking degrees!
Ghinzani (his only points!) and Laffite were sublime.
The New Vegas / swing references at the end are brilliant. Excellent videos as always.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
“Looks like you’ve driven your last race kid. Truth is, the track was flat from the start” Rest In Peace Matthew Perry
what in the latifi damn? lets keep this smooth, like smooth little tyres...
"because racing, ... racing never changes" :-)
Am I the only one waiting for an episode on Alex Zanardi?
That guy's an absolute legend!
That pass on the corkscrew at Leguna Seca , the kind of stuff you pull in Gran Turismo 3 😂 Absolutely epic.
I'm still waiting on the one about Roberto Moreno.
@@StuntpilootStef
3:34 THE BOG!!!!! I grew up going to the IMSA and Vintage Cup weekends at The Glen. All of the grown ups talked about The Bog. The burning bus is LEGEND! I'm so glad it made it into this video!
Nice intro music.
Gotta have the swing for Vegas
@@AidanMillward Absolutely.
Fresh! ❤
The music at the start, I love it.
Vegas, baby!
When I saw the 2024 schedule my immediate thought was that F1 needs to switch the Miami and Vegas races. Miami is much nicer in November than Vegas.
Football season is the reason why Miami isn’t in November.
Wind-burn, Aidan? Also, thanks for the Rat-Pack puns at the end. Takes me back to the glamorous and seedy days. I'm old...
Thank you!
Couldn’t be worse than the ‘89-91 Phoenix Grand Prix street circuit, before big screens and internet🤪……a City even less interesting than Vegas.
Greetings from the coast of SoCal😎
Actually i know a few people who kind of like that one (me included), its Detroit that usually gets all the stick
@@TonySpike I remember buying the hype (it's F1!) and tuning into the GP at Detroit a couple off times. The younger me thought they were the ugliest race cars I'd ever seen and the races dreadfully boring. The old me now realizes I was watching the Great Senna, but back then I was more impressed by Tom Sneva than Ayrton Senna. Hell, I'd still rather watch Sneva than Senna.
Phoenix GP was sponsored by a sweater company (I believe European Co) Iceberg was the name -so funny
I watched a recent Video with some footage of the Promoter/Casino owner discussing how he drew the track round his hand on a Napkin with Bernie Eccelstone and Bernie said it was too long so they took two fingers off and that is what you have.
You can see it in the outline, pretty funny story. Can't find the Vid in my history sorry. Thank you for your always entertaining and informative content.
Ticket prices are absurd, hotels are extorting the situation, and the track layout leaves lots to be desired. I’ll be grinning when this event fails.
Fun Fact:
Twelve years after this happened that same caesars palace parking lot hosted Wrestlemania IX, which is widely considered to be one of if not the worst wrestlemania's ever.
it's like hosting sporting events in vegas is cursed
@KenzieRetro
In Mania 9's case, it was more down to the card being shit because it was the first mania after the mass exodus of '92 when WWF lost almost their entire main event talent pool and they had to use mid carders too fill out the event so there wasn't really anything that could draw an audience.
Undertaker vs Giant Gonzales being a particular lowlight on that card.
@@Hammerhead547 Not helped by Hulk Hogan, signed back in to attract more customers, only proceeding to bury what few main event guys they had at the time and once again take the title for himself.
@@99dndd
Along with hogan's title win.
Move over, Nevada ladies of the night: F1 is selling itself this weekend, and everyone's in for a ride.
Thank you for feeding my upcoming-weekend disaster hype.
As it happens, ticket sales have not been what they hoped and have plummeted. Sky high hotel rates have also plummeted with many of those who made reservations 6 months ago cancelling that reservation and getting a new one at the new substantially lower rate. As is per usual for Vegas, lots of money is going to be lost.
Just pure greed. When they announced it the prices they put forth were so insane that fans are livid. The citizens seem upset this event is happening as well.
To make it even more interesting....as far as I know, Las Vegas announced a 10 year contract but FIA calls it 3 years with an option for 7 more.
Whoa new intro music, love it
So between this and Wrestlemania IX, CAESAR'S PARKING LOT sure seems to be host to some of the best of the worst in sporting events.
Next Superbowl, don't forget.
Also, a preseason hockey game between the LA Kings and NY Rangers.
I think the big thing no-one is talking about is that these new ones are night races, and it kinda gets chilly in November, at night. So these new races will be more like F1 on Ice.
Correct !
I'm astonished that they didn't factor that in.
Drivers almost passing out in Qatar & now drivers taking part in possibly the coldest F1 race ever.
Found out today that a DeTomaso Pantera I saw a few months back here in Sydney used to belong to Sinatra!
Carlos Reutemann at the '81 Caesars Palace GP is a story all in itself. He was a highly rated driver leading the championship for the defending double championship team from '80, with maybe the best car of that era. They had also sealed a 2nd constructors title that year by a huge margin and he had beaten his team mate, the defending champion, out of the drivers title race. He qualifies on pole, he had one hand on the tile, it was his to lose... and he did.
That weekend was covered in a Clive James TV travel programme. Reutemann qualified on pole and (iirc) got to choose which side of the grid to start on. Choosing the inside was considered a no-brainer, but Carlos surprised everyone by opting for the outside. They thought he was mad to do that and predicted he would be overtaken by Jones at the start, which is exactly what happened. Reutemann then just plummeted down the order and out of the points.
After the race the official interview was done for US TV by Mark Thatcher (son of the PM, who later infamously got lost on the Paris-Dakar rally), with nobody else allowed to ask any questions. As Clive James predicted, the interview was typical US TV and began with 'how do you feel'.
At the end Clive sneaked in a brief question of his own: 'What did you have in the tank?'. Jones instantly replied: Fosters. xD
The story going around for many years after was that Reutemann was told by a fortune teller he was going to win the title the next year in 1982. And he convinced himself mentally that 1981 was not to be his year, even though he was leading the championship. Whatever happened he undoubtedly fell apart mentally even before the race. (Maybe before the penultimate race in Canada, where he qualified 2nd but also tumbled down the field and finished 10th.) He returned with Williams for 1982, but he retired after two races (despite finishing 2nd in the opener). According to Patrick Head his heart wasn't in it any more.
[I wish I could find a copy of that Clive James programme, despite much searching I can't find it anywhere on the internet. It was repeated on a minor UK digital TV channel c.2006. As always Clive James was both very funny and a great observer of people and their behaviour.]
First time I read/hear about a fortune teller. But I must say I don't buy it. Reutemann was not the kind of guy to let something like that dictate his chances. Quite the contrary, he was the technical guy, who found every tenth of a second in the car setup. And I know him quite well, since he was governor of my province. Also, because he arrived at the racetrack one week before anyone else and borrowed a car to make as many laps as possible to get to know every inch of the track.
What really happened on that GP, he took it to the grave. But, you can imagine by the sum of all the comments from other drivers and himself. He made a mistake on the practice, hitting Piquet and damaging the suspension of his car. So he switched to the spare car. He took pole with that car. The next day in the warmup, in his own words "it was a totally different car". The gearbox was only one of the problems, the handling was impossible. According to Mansell, who was behind Lole for quite a few laps, the camber of the rear wheels was totally reversed. When the car took a corner, he could actually see a large gap between the inside of the tyre and the track. Being probably one of the best testers of all time, and being Williams the best of the best at that time, it seems quite unlikely that either driver or mechanics made such a big mistake.
Ultimately, he could have won just by taking out Piquet. But he was a gentleman. He always said that he would have not been happy winning the championship like that. And Piquet always thanked him for that.
it's on RUclips
@@FMAlchemist2006 It was a sad end to a very successful career. 12 wins was a lot for the time, F1 was so competitive in the '80s. If we exclude 1982, he did 10 seasons of F1 and finished top-3 in the championship 4 times. And was in the top 10 every year except for his first season, and 1976 when Brabham switched from the DFV to the heavy & horribly unreliable Alfa Romeo flat 12.
A contender for the best driver not to win a championship, in maybe F1's most competitive decade.
@@geoffhugenberger5360 Thanks. I couldn't find it when I last searched a couple of years ago. Now of course it instantly pops up. Weird...
@@ibex485 Yes, deffinitely. But unfortunately, in Argentina we have the disgusting habit of critizicing every athlete that has not won the top competition of his/her sport. Even Messi was questioned until only one year ago when he won the world cup. Reutemann was called "segundón" (person who always finishes second). Far from the truth and quite unfair considering his achievements and the compliments he always received from most of his competitors (many of them world champions).
But he always said this: "When I was a kid, I had to ride a horse several kilometers just to get to school. I ended up being F1 championship runner-up. I guess I didn't do that bad in life".
Am I the only one who thinks the race will be good? When the temperatures and unpredictability it could be a wild card winner.
Should call it the "picture purchasing Piggybank." :) Sounds like everyone thought it was a great idea, until they saw the reality. Many in the US, even those familiar with US racing don't realize the order of magnitude difference between hosting a NASCAR or INDYCAR race vs an F1 race.
God i wish F1 would return to Watkins Glen. I know it’s not an FIA grade 1 circuit but the changes needed would be minimal. People come, people camp, people enjoy the region. Works every year with IMSA and NASCAR.
As much as I like COTA, I wish they’d spent the money renovating Watkins Glen instead. Would have been a perfect double header with Montreal.
@@99dndd big agree
NASCAR doesn't want to spend the money for the renovations nor do they want to pay to host the race. Doesn't benefit them in the least, and they own the Glen.
@@zorndeslammes Yep. Sucks to suck.
I don't watch F1 (or any motorsports) nor do I Sim race but I sure love your stories. Thanks for making them Aidan. I appreciate you!
Turns out the new Las Vegas track is actually... pretty darn good. Good mix of slow and fast corners with enough straights to really get the ball rolling.
Very informative and enjoyable, and a good lead-in for this weekend.
If Brock Beard is in your comment section, you have to be doing something right.
Track videos are some of my favourites of yours. Super informative as always.
The original vision for Miller Motorsports Park just outside Salt Lake City demonstrated how to build a proper desert track. Covered grandstands, AC for much of the staff (ticketing, etc.) and all the indoor amenities ... not to mention a cool Ford racing museum. Sadly, the untimely passing of Larry Miller, the wealthy visionary behind the effort, saw its quick decline as his family had no interest in keeping a sizable share of the family assets in a racing facility. Pity. And now Vegas will give it a go again. As a Seattle based F1 fan I was intrigued by the thought of going back to Vegas for a race. Then I saw the prices. As we like to say on this side of the pond, what a s#!t show. The juice behind Netflix F1 "reality" show will fade. Fair weather fans will tire of F1 penchant for extended periods of single team/driver domination and eventually races like Miami and Vegas will crash and burn. I could be wrong but ... well, I guess we will see.
"The juice behind Netflix F1 "reality" show will fade. "
... it's Bug-Juice Sir
It's worth noting that single driver/team dominance is the normal state of affairs. Not the exception. Has been for the 30 years I've watched the sport and what I know of it's history it was normal long before that.
We remember the hard won and competitive seasons because they are great stories. But thats partly because they aren't common.
If the drive to survive boom busts and that means we loose Miami, Vegas and ideally some middle east races. I'd be over the moon. Go back to 16 races tops. I doubt anyone other than f1 share holders would shed a tear
I love the music in the intro sir pure class and another good upload!! I truly wish you keep growing as I love your content!! Edit. P. S fallout new Vegas is fallout perfected I.m.o.
"won't that be a kick in the head" . Great rat pack Dino Martin reference there 😀
At least back then there were more than 9 teams in the paddock
And yes, I insist on counting both Red Bulls as one
Now we have a new Car Park Grand Prix in Miami, and I think that's shit too. F1 is shooting itself in the foot by holding improvised races in locations that are basically trumped up tourist destinations, that severely disrupt the day to day of those areas and offer basically nothing for your average race fan.
They are totally mistreating the core fan who is getting price gouged and making enemies of the communities those car park tracks are in.
As a jazz musician who also is an f1 fan, very cool to hear you differentiate jazz and swing music. They might be the same but you understand what youre talking about. Refreshing lol
I played mostly rock music in bands but love a bit of swing.
The Bog wants a Bus....glad you referenced that Aidan. Watkins Glen is an awesome circuit...but it is a ways away from large centers. Two hours to Buffalo, 5 to Toronto, 6 to Boston , 3 to Albany, 7 to NYC.
That moving to Vegas would have with the right circuit. Not that parking lot mess
Video idea;
Lesser know early circuits.
I used to live off of what is called the Old Vale Circuit, and old course used by motorcycles in the early 20 century (circa 1920s-1930s) before Mount Panorama was built.
Watkins Glen was widely beloved by fans (including me.) and and I think Vegas was judged harshly against it. Rightfully so.
Driving a turbo car with a manual gearbox round a car park while sitting in an oven. What could possibly go wrong
Oh, man. Wish they brought back the whole European calendar and some abroad. Also GRIDGIRLS. Golden days of F1 glamour was from mid 80' to let's say 2013..
I hadn’t even noticed the grid girls were gone.
I just got back from Vegas it was a great event and probably the best race this year.
I was there with Garvin Brown Racing in Can Am, Danny Sullivan, our driver, won(1981).
Stayed for the outro music.
Ironically the start area where the new curcuit is, used to be a parking lot.
Stardust Raceway was a proper old school West Coast American Circuit - very fast and wide open. Like Old Laguna Seca, Riverside, and current Willow Springs. Only Willow Springs remains.
Timely video! Love it
The oval layout produced exciting racing. Can't act otherwise when we have the footage.
This time of the year in the desert is not very pleasant. During the day it's beautiful. Not too hot, not too cold. Unless there is a sudden cold front. The second the sun drops, it's terrible. It also likes to rain sometimes at night. Granted I've experienced that in New Mexico. Which is far from Vegas. But high desert is like that in general.
You learn this in year 4 geography. And now they’re going “oh yeah we didn’t consider it getting cold at night in the desert”
@@AidanMillward I just checked a couple of the weather forecast models, even though it's days out, they're predicting rain here and there. Higher chance on Friday. Saturday during the race, little amounts around Vegas. But it could change at the blink of an eye. I remember being out in the desert at night mid November and suddenly there was 60 mph winds. Then it rained.. Had to check stuff outside and it felt like getting sand blasted. A year ago I was there but it was very cold. Below freezing every night but during the day it was beautiful. Temperature went from 55F and then once the sun went behind the mountain, 40's. an hour later, some spots I saw 31F and then a mile later, 38, then 27. Again, in New Mexico.
@@AidanMillward It's like that in Daytona. People think "It's Florida", but it's also February, it's near the ocean,. and when it the sun goes down you get that cold, wet breeze coming in from the beach. I've seen people show up at the race in shorts, sandals, T-shirt, leave before 100 laps because it was too cold.
@@RRaquello the other year it got to 0° and Michelin was going “shit! We don’t have tyre data for this!”
6:39 funnily enough i was doing a deep dive into this myself a few weeks back
Not only was i surprised by how much has changed but i also worked out that the white building on the bottom left of the Cesars Palace site was where Wrestlemania 9 was held,
back then it was an open air tennis court i think, dunno what it is now
It's the Forum Shops now, if memory serves.
I remember watching these races way back when. I was a racing fan by then (IndyCar & NASCAR) and knew a little about F1 because it was sometimes on TV in the US in the early 70s, but the F1 races at Vegas & Detroit left me unimpressed. I thought what we had in the US was better and the rest of the world could keep F1. I remember actually switching the races off about halfway through, not caring how they came out and not knowing any of the drivers.
CART also used to race in a car park in New Jersey at Giants Stadium. I think it was called the Meadowlands GP. I never went though it was close to where I lived. I knew people who did and they said I was smart to stay home and watch on TV.
Fancy Broadway jazz/swing music for Vegas race week, I see...
Loving the Bruins hat Aiden! Keep up the great content
It’s a shame we’ll never get the classic American purpose built tracks in F1. Laguna Seca and Road America are both great tracks on the American opened wheeled calendar but won’t get on the schedule as is. Road America being too long and not having another space to build run off near the Kink and the best part of the track at Laguna Seca in the corkscrew being the issue there
Plus Road America would need the entire infield redone to house F1 usual garages and other facilities
I love Fallout New Vegas, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, and F1. It's no wonder that I love your channel.
thank you for referring to the track as Moomin-shaped - I was worried I was the only one to see it
This is the first I've heard about putting up film to stop people from getting a "free" view of the race.
If such a thing was done at a track like Monaco, there would be riots!!
It's been going on for weeks. Tourists were peeling it off so they could photograph the landmarks, they've replaced all the film and now put caged fences over to stop people from doing it.
@@themarauder6108
They want the sport to be popular in America, yet they are actively sabotaging the ability for people just to get a glimpse of the cars. Not only are you preventing potential new fans, but they're also making current fans angry and even leaving the sport entirely.
Don't even get me started on them cutting down a bunch of trees because it "spoiled the view"...
Another thing that is pissing people off.
I appreciate you putting sources for the pictures you use :)
I know about Las Vegas via living there for a few years (I would highly suggest against doing this). Slight correction: While you are correct that Boulder City was a dry (no alcohol, prostitution, nor gambling) company/govt town, Las Vegas (the Strip is Paradise City for tax reasons) was mostly still a water stop on a Mormon trading road from Utah to California. It developed into what it is known for today because Boulder City was dry. Much like Pahrump became the de facto prostitution town because Clark County (home of Las Vegas and Boulder City) declared it illegal.
I loved that Dean Martin reference 😂 12:22
Aidan you didn't mention that in 81 the Williams team intentionally sabotaged Reutemann's car. Ecclestone admitted to it in his bio documentary
You can't fit everything in or it wouldn't be a RUclips video. It would be a book. 😂
This is the epitome of F1, but backwards 🙃
The Vegas style intro music is a great idea!! I started watching F1 in 1984 as a young kid and I remember most of the races in that season. The one in Las Vegas is one I can't remember at all. Mind you, the title battle between Lauda and Prost, with Lauda winning the World Championship by half a point, overshadowed most of the actual races for me. Apart from Senna announcing himself as a future F1 legend and a definite World Champion at Monaco. F1 in America has never really taken off, certainly not when I was watching every race, which I did from 1984 to the end of 1996. Most of them live on television, occasionally just the highlights.
there wasn't a Las Vegas F1 GP in 1984
@@NonFlyiingDutchman probably why I don't remember it!! Lol 😂
It was my first season watching F1 and my memory is good most of the time but I have occasional lapses!!
If they're doing tracks from. PGR, can't wait for the NYGP, going over the Brooklyn Bridge and all.
Loved the New Vegas references in the end
The Greyhound bus fire at the Glen is not a rumor, there are pictures of its burnt out shell from the morning after.
excelent video. Kind of feels like F1 has failed to learn the lessons of it's own history with the Veagas race
I tend to think of Miami as the second coming of another planned F1 race that became a CART race (Meadowlands), except F1 was smart enough to abandon that one before it ever got off the ground. But think about it: an uninspiring street circuit around a football stadium on the outskirts of a major destination, trying to cash in on the cachet of a famous city without the hassles of actually trying to get a street circuit approved within the city. That's Miami, but it was also Meadowlands. So given that, repeating the Caesar's debacle is kind of on-brand.
Or more like they want to redeem themselves by proving that second time's the charm
very true @@de-fault_de-fault
maybe @@mahiru20ten
@@de-fault_de-fault I had a friend who went to one of the CART/IndyCar races at the Meadowlands. He was Columbian and wanted to support Roberto Guerrero. He described it as seeing five seconds of racing every two minutes.
My foreman is at Vegas this weekend and didn't know any thing about the race, Except that everything is shut down or very expensive. I laugh for free!
Good one!
i always thought the new vegas gp looks like an upside-down pig or cow but this is the first time i heard it being moomin-shaped
New intro music! I like it!
Keke. My countryman and last cosworth "DFV" champion.
This whole video was pretty ring-a-ding-ding, Aidan.
Went to the 1984 Indy race there. Good - you could see the whole track from the grandstands. Bad - Definitely a hot and stale. Was excited to watch the Trans Am race because Paul Newman was driving but he went out early due to an accident.
I’m amazed that F1’s leadership didn’t understand that it gets COLD in the desert at night. Like…. HOW?!
You'd think Bahrain and all those mid eastern night races they'd have figured it out
I think the main reason for street tracks is that F1 wants new tracks but the cost is so much less to convert/build a street track as compared to the few billion for a purpose built job. But the street tracks do mostly fix the track limits issue. The ticket prices are fuckin shockin. F1 need to look at WEC for ticket pricing /packages.
Having two races in places that are close together, but at opposite ends of the season, like Long Beach and Vegas, isn't that weird. Singapore and Malayasia are super close but the races were on either end of hte calendar...then there's the Middle Eastern races....Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia....they are fairly close to each other, but all over the place on the caledar.
That weirdness also happened for the Australian GP. The Australian F1 GP originally was held in Adelaide and it was the last race of the season. Then Adelaide lost the rights to the race and the race moved to Melbourne and at the same time the first race of the season switched to the Melbourne GP.
Love the new intro music
Another Aidan Banger as usual, keep them coming mate! 🖤🇦🇺
I went to the Nascar race a week or two ago in Vegas... it was brutally hot sitting in the sun. The traffic was insane and no one had a good word to say about the upcoming F1 race. They put it on the strip to bring that ambiance, then cover that ambiance with bleachers, scaffolding and stupid... just another F1 fckup...
It was the same in Miami. If you wanted trackside spectation, you had to shell out the big bucks for one of their stupid themed grandstands. The stadium should be a prime spectator vantage point, but you can't see the track because of all the expensive grandstands.
You should do an episode on the 1982 season and the gong show that it was
The Las Vegas GP happened
The FISA FOCA war
2 drivers lost their lives Riccardo Paletti and the legendary Gilles Villeneuve, while his Ferrari teammate Didier Pironi had a career ending accident
Keke Rosberg won championship with the odd stat of only having won a single race in the entire season
Pironi was in 2nd place by 5 pts despite not being able to race for the last 5 races
While the legendary Niki Lauda had returned to drive for McLaren ending in 5th place despite having no finished 9/16 races...
and a little known french driver named Prost finished 4th 10 pts down from the champion in a woefully unreliable Turbo Renault despite not having finished 8/16 races that year...
All the while getting boo'd by the French because he had beaten René Arnoux to which he replied "I guess the french don't like a winner"
Truth is VModern egas Race was Epic.
Miles of empty desert....they decided to build it on the strip...
Business owners during the race weekend be like: "What in the goddamn?"
During the race?
They’ve been facing disruption for several months there already
Stardust was actually a pretty good circuit. It was technical and fast, and also very safe by the standards of the time. Even though it being in a desert it was covered in sand and dust often.
Hey Aidan, do ya have a playlist of that jazz intro music? If so could you link 🙏
Interesting uou mentioned the car park race as last weekend was the SuperKarts Vegas Supernats meeting. The track is always held in the same car park & the track layout changes every year. Super cool event. Seriously recommend you go and watch some of the racing from it
Rio Hotel car park
Shame we won't have 'Benny' in his chequered suit on the finish line.
With the cost of tickets plus Airlines as they always do for Sporting Events putting up prices and the Hotel Prices the average don can't go you can go to Silverstone and even watch in places for free I think
Liked the new vegas reference.
@8:48 Had to do a double take, seeing Jacques Villeneuve on the scoreboard... Googling it, turns out it's not Gilles' son and 1997 champion, but instead Gilles' brother who did enter 3 F1 races in the early 80s but failed to qualify for any of them. The more you know...
I really miss the Toronto Grand-Prix. That was a cool street circuit, but I'm sure residents maybe weren't as keen as the young me was all those years ago.
Toronto for IndyCar?
Is this the same car park where Wrestlemania 9 took place?
Yes.