I just noticed that there was a lot of radio chatter from the original Memphis Belle movie from the 1940s. It was the cast saying it, but it was their words.
@@shepherdlavellen3301 but that’s like putting a v10 Hemi engine from a Mustang into a Mini Cooper from the Italian job lol it’s just ridiculous and unrealistic ? But yes it’s a very cool sound the ‘siren of death’ that the Ju-87 Stuka emits.
0:38 Spanish-built 109s... Srsly, the thing I'd like to see in the next "B-17 movie" is capturing how bright it is up there. When they show the actors inside the aircraft, and scenes from outside the aircraft, it's either a soundstage or 8000 feet respectively. But up at 20k feet the sun should be very bright and no movie has ever captured that.
One B-17 crashed and was written off regrettably. Unfortunately the Steven Spielberg Amazing Tales "The Mission" had B-17 episode, had FOUR crewmen standing behind the pilot during the flight in dialog. Talk about a misrepresentation of the cockpit area.
@@robertbolding4182 They add it for easy to detect sfx, not because "a crashing airplane has gaping holes in it that become horns" lol. Those sounds are literally only made by the Stuka.
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Jack: Come on... Come on... Come to papa, you son of a... *WHAT THE...?! ALMOST HIT HIM!!! DAMMIT!!! HEY, WIENNER!!!*
I remember seeing an alternate cut of this movie decades ago. During this very scene, when Windy City blows up, there's a full shot of a crew member that is blasted out of the plane and hits the plexi nose of the Memphis Belle, which is what DB Sweeney is seeing afterwards (this is a completely different scene from C Cup getting its nose shot off). I've never seen that cut again. Over the years, I've scoured the internet and ran across another person on a message board that had seen it also. From my understanding, the scene was too gruesome for audiences and was removed, but somehow he and I both saw it. Kind of like if you ever saw Goonies with the Octopus, or Billy Madison with the kickball scene. Except 1000x times more rare.
No that was no alternate scene, that’s in the DVD. Immediately after that crewmen is seen getting blown out of the plane the Captain of the Belle asks all his crew to make sure they have their belts on. It’s what saves the Sean Aston character later in the movie.
@@jogman262 That's when C Cup goes down. Starting at the :45 second mark here: ruclips.net/video/59Ntwoot4_s/видео.html The deleted scene is when Windy City blows up.
The true brutality of war is rarely seen on the big screen or even in the sanitized combat footage we see. One has to do real research to see the bodies blown to pieces, the horrors that soldiers saw every day when they had to pick up what was left of their buddy and put it into a shoebox. It is worth the research to feel a slight sense of what hell real war is and a miracle that anyone who lived through it had the strength to continue on despite the nightmares he could never shake. I've talked with some combat veterans who were open enough. They never leave those moments are can be right there again without blinking.
I ain't trying to be contrary for the sake of it, but what combat veterans have you spoken with who opened up at all? I used to try in my younger days, having grown up with veterans of WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. When I would foolishly ask them to tell me "What was it like?" to a man their faces would darken and either shut up and stare at me or walk away...period.
Did you know? after the 25 missions Pilot Morgan then transferred to the Pacific in B-29s, 13Th AAF out of saipan and participated in the 1st B-29 raid on Tokyo, the Nakajima aircraft plant
From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State, And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze. Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life, I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters. When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose. ____Randall Jarrell
Это 1943 год. Налёты на заводы шарикоподшипников в г. Швайфурт. Тогда мустанг был еще на стадии испытаний. Впрочем американское командование считало, что большие соединения В-17 в состоянии защитить себя сами и не сильно заморачивались временем суток и вопросами прикрытия. Англичане в свою очередь были умнее и бомбили только ночью. Налёты 1943 года приводили к огромным потерям. Иногда до 40 самолётов за вылет, при условии что объединенные группы из разных соединений имели численность до 1500 самолётов в одном рейде. Именно большие потери в первыз рейдах в глубь Германии, заставили американцев прибегать к тактике челночных рейдов. (До аэродрома в г. Полтава и обратно.) Впрочем и здесь американская небрежность в скором времени привела к тому, что немцы вычислили этот аэродром и сожгли его. Быстро обвинив советскую сторону в некомпетентности, челночные рейды были свернуты, а в начале 1944 года к сопровождению были привлечены самолёты Р-38 Лайтнинг и Р-47 Тандерболт. Мустанги появились в начале 1945 года. Суть фильма в том, что по закону сделав 25 боевых вылетов, экипаж американского бомбардировщика мог отправляться с почестями домой. Это реальная история самолёта "Мемфисская Красотка".
The daylight raids were far more accurate. It's only the hits that count. The Brits used to miss by five miles. The heavy price paid by Americans wasn't stupid. It was a brutal front in a world war. Luckily, the Soviets concerned themselves with only one.
Grandfather worked at the Nash Kelvinator factory in Lansing Michigan during the war, it was the propeller and hub assembly. 158,134 three and four blade propellers and 85,656 spare blades The blades that kept guys like this in the sky.
What gets me about this film is the obviously edited in footage of the fighters. That didn't age too well but it was the shit back in the day when this movie was new.
There's a few scenes where you can see the tracers, it does a good job showing how difficult it'd be to hit anything. I'm thinking particularly of the earlier scene where the fighters are spotted and the pilot orders them to hold fire until they're in range. Right waist gunner doesn't and you can see the arc of the shots really well.
They are painted up Hispano Buchons. As for Me109's they served in various marks as front line fighters, in every theatre European theatre and throughout entire war. The ME 109 was credited with more ariel kills than any other aircraft.
At the time this was made there were no airworthy 109Gs in the world. I think there may be two now. As Colin noted those are Buchons, Spanish 109 copies with Merlin engines.
@@Smokeless1167 No, the D was a late war model with an in-line engine, 190A was the fighter introduced in 1942. 190A-8 was the up-armored and up-gunned one usually used for attacking bomber formations. The dedicated ground attack model was the F but other versions were used for that as well.
Это 1943 год. Налёты на заводы шарикоподшипников в г. Швайфурт. Тогда мустанг был еще на стадии испытаний. Впрочем американское командование считало, что большие соединения В-17 в состоянии защитить себя сами и не сильно заморачивались временем суток и вопросами прикрытия. Англичане в свою очередь были умнее и бомбили только ночью. Налёты 1943 года приводили к огромным потерям. Иногда до 40 самолётов за вылет, при условии что объединенные группы из разных соединений имели численность до 1500 самолётов в одном рейде. Именно большие потери в первыз рейдах в глубь Германии, заставили американцев прибегать к тактике челночных рейдов. (До аэродрома в г. Полтава и обратно.) Впрочем и здесь американская небрежность в скором времени привела к тому, что немцы вычислили этот аэродром и сожгли его. Быстро обвинив советскую сторону в некомпетентности, челночные рейды были свернуты, а в начале 1944 года к сопровождению были привлечены самолёты Р-38 Лайтнинг и Р-47 Тандерболт. Мустанги появились в начале 1945 года. Суть фильма в том, что по закону сделав 25 боевых вылетов, экипаж американского бомбардировщика мог отправляться с почестями домой. Это реальная история самолёта "Мемфисская Красотка".
@@topivaltanen4432 I’m no expert but I imagine that in a close packed formation of b17s, ok the outer planes would fire from the sides. I imagine that flying between any two bombers or into a close grouping would be very dangerous for the attackers because it would make them easy targets. I think the Messerschmitts would target the ones on the edges and expose themselves to less fire.
Bit of necromancy here but to answer your question real bomber gunners didn’t quite follow planes with their sights like they do in the movies. Gunners would have designated coverage zones of fire. When more planes were added to the formation the individual bombers would have their coverage zones. Kind of like how infantry or armour would designate arcs of fire or coverage during their operations. Think of it as similar to the volley fire tactics during the age of muzzle loaders. Putting as much lead down range to compensate for lack of accuracy and rate of fire. Except in the case of the gunners its putting as much lead in the air to compensate for very short target exposures. The idea was to basically give the enemy planes as little opportunity as possible to get a solid bead on a bomber via area denial. Any fighter that wandered into that zone of coverage would get plastered by a hail of .50 cal. As someone pointed out earlier as a fighter you wanted to come charging through areas of weakness. Come out of the sun, get in amongst their formation to make it harder for them to shoot you lest they hit their own. You needed the element of surprise though, or a powerful gun that outranged the bombers.
I will summarize what NATO and its members are doing with UKRAINE. When a man attacks a woman, we men must apply sanctions such as denouncing him, or taking the money from his account or rather prohibiting him from going out on the street. Of course not! we have to use the same or a superior force to repel aggression... But the countries that make up NATO are shit hostages to the military power of RUSSIA. Pressure your governments to use force as much as they did in afghanistan, iraq...etc. It's no use sending weapons...They won't be able to defend themselves!!!! Pressure your governments to respond militarily to RUSSIA.
Some plane: has turboprops from 1940s to 1960s
Hollywood: I diagnose you with stuka siren sound effect
I just noticed that there was a lot of radio chatter from the original Memphis Belle movie from the 1940s. It was the cast saying it, but it was their words.
That blood on the window is absolutely nightmare material
Why does every movie feel the need to make every plane a Stuka Dive bomber lol
it's just like every modern plane in movies uses 50. cal MG instead of 20mm cannon with 6000 rpm
@@shepherdlavellen3301 that does not explain the actual sound effects of the Stuka dive bomber being used lol
@@eliotruben3442 because it sounds cool I guess?
@@shepherdlavellen3301 but that’s like putting a v10 Hemi engine from a Mustang into a Mini Cooper from the Italian job lol it’s just ridiculous and unrealistic ? But yes it’s a very cool sound the ‘siren of death’ that the Ju-87 Stuka emits.
It shocks me you find comedy in this film based on historical facts 🤨🧐😬👎🏻death is never funny doesn’t matter whose side they were on
Lel it’s the day every plane became a stuka
And not all Stuka Sound like the typical Stuka.
Yeah, I can hear them everywhere but none to be seen… :D
0:38 Spanish-built 109s...
Srsly, the thing I'd like to see in the next "B-17 movie" is capturing how bright it is up there. When they show the actors inside the aircraft, and scenes from outside the aircraft, it's either a soundstage or 8000 feet respectively. But up at 20k feet the sun should be very bright and no movie has ever captured that.
One B-17 crashed and was written off regrettably. Unfortunately the Steven Spielberg Amazing Tales "The Mission" had B-17 episode, had FOUR crewmen standing behind the pilot during the flight in dialog. Talk about a misrepresentation of the cockpit area.
“C cups breaking formation”
“Bye bye c cup “
“Boogie mans gonna get em”
yes that is indeed what they said..?
Pilot: Danny, give me C channel to talk to group
Co-pilot: those poor bastards...
0:41 that mother and country :/
"You know we done this a couple times before, Cap."
Somebody's guts are all over the nose!
"Any damage? Crew, check your stations!"
Pretty sure he said "So many guts are all over the nose"
Why in all movie aicraft crashes you can here Stukas horns of Jericho?
hear ?
because is easy, a crashing airplane has gaping holes in it that become horns. sadly you have never been in a crashing airplane, have you.
@@robertbolding4182 have you?
@@robertbolding4182 They add it for easy to detect sfx, not because "a crashing airplane has gaping holes in it that become horns" lol. Those sounds are literally only made by the Stuka.
Jack: Come on... Come on... Come to papa, you son of a... *WHAT THE...?! ALMOST HIT HIM!!! DAMMIT!!! HEY, WIENNER!!!*
I remember seeing an alternate cut of this movie decades ago. During this very scene, when Windy City blows up, there's a full shot of a crew member that is blasted out of the plane and hits the plexi nose of the Memphis Belle, which is what DB Sweeney is seeing afterwards (this is a completely different scene from C Cup getting its nose shot off). I've never seen that cut again. Over the years, I've scoured the internet and ran across another person on a message board that had seen it also. From my understanding, the scene was too gruesome for audiences and was removed, but somehow he and I both saw it. Kind of like if you ever saw Goonies with the Octopus, or Billy Madison with the kickball scene. Except 1000x times more rare.
No that was no alternate scene, that’s in the DVD. Immediately after that crewmen is seen getting blown out of the plane the Captain of the Belle asks all his crew to make sure they have their belts on. It’s what saves the Sean Aston character later in the movie.
@@jogman262 That's when C Cup goes down. Starting at the :45 second mark here: ruclips.net/video/59Ntwoot4_s/видео.html
The deleted scene is when Windy City blows up.
Luke: Windy City is on fire!
its funny to hear on tv today young men of 18 being called "children".
Mein Vater war auch noch fast ein Kind … 18 Jahre, allerdings in der deutschen Luftwaffe
Val: Guts! Somebody's guts all over the nose!
The true brutality of war is rarely seen on the big screen or even in the sanitized combat footage we see. One has to do real research to see the bodies blown to pieces, the horrors that soldiers saw every day when they had to pick up what was left of their buddy and put it into a shoebox. It is worth the research to feel a slight sense of what hell real war is and a miracle that anyone who lived through it had the strength to continue on despite the nightmares he could never shake.
I've talked with some combat veterans who were open enough. They never leave those moments are can be right there again without blinking.
Yeah yeah i get that but who asked?
I ain't trying to be contrary for the sake of it, but what combat veterans have you spoken with who opened up at all? I used to try in my younger days, having grown up with veterans of WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. When I would foolishly ask them to tell me "What was it like?" to a man their faces would darken and either shut up and stare at me or walk away...period.
Did you know? after the 25 missions Pilot Morgan then transferred to the Pacific in B-29s, 13Th AAF out of saipan and participated in the 1st B-29 raid on Tokyo, the Nakajima aircraft plant
"Their going after the First Flight, Windy City's on fire, why don't they do something, come on, bail out you guys, come on, wake up, get out"
My favorite movie the memphis belle
Rascal: Ball turret! Get us out of here!
Почему,когда они подбиты и падают,у них включаются сирены Юнкерсов? Кто эту дурацкую озвучку в моду ввёл?
From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
____Randall Jarrell
Это 1943 год. Налёты на заводы шарикоподшипников в г. Швайфурт. Тогда мустанг был еще на стадии испытаний. Впрочем американское командование считало, что большие соединения В-17 в состоянии защитить себя сами и не сильно заморачивались временем суток и вопросами прикрытия. Англичане в свою очередь были умнее и бомбили только ночью.
Налёты 1943 года приводили к огромным потерям. Иногда до 40 самолётов за вылет, при условии что объединенные группы из разных соединений имели численность до 1500 самолётов в одном рейде. Именно большие потери в первыз рейдах в глубь Германии, заставили американцев прибегать к тактике челночных рейдов. (До аэродрома в г. Полтава и обратно.) Впрочем и здесь американская небрежность в скором времени привела к тому, что немцы вычислили этот аэродром и сожгли его. Быстро обвинив советскую сторону в некомпетентности, челночные рейды были свернуты, а в начале 1944 года к сопровождению были привлечены самолёты Р-38 Лайтнинг и Р-47 Тандерболт. Мустанги появились в начале 1945 года.
Суть фильма в том, что по закону сделав 25 боевых вылетов, экипаж американского бомбардировщика мог отправляться с почестями домой. Это реальная история самолёта "Мемфисская Красотка".
The daylight raids were far more accurate. It's only the hits that count. The Brits used to miss by five miles. The heavy price paid by Americans wasn't stupid. It was a brutal front in a world war. Luckily, the Soviets concerned themselves with only one.
Grandfather worked at the Nash Kelvinator factory in Lansing Michigan during the war, it was the propeller and hub assembly.
158,134 three and four blade propellers and 85,656 spare blades
The blades that kept guys like this in the sky.
I have ben on the plane used in the movie
What gets me about this film is the obviously edited in footage of the fighters. That didn't age too well but it was the shit back in the day when this movie was new.
I.
Why do people copycat other peoples comments putting a slight twist in them as if it makes it their own comment? Aren't you embarrassed?
No tracer bullets? How can the gunners know where they're shooting? Is this a Hollywood inaccuracy?
There's a few scenes where you can see the tracers, it does a good job showing how difficult it'd be to hit anything. I'm thinking particularly of the earlier scene where the fighters are spotted and the pilot orders them to hold fire until they're in range. Right waist gunner doesn't and you can see the arc of the shots really well.
peliculas historicas sobre las guerras I yII vietnam etc. . me agrada
Could 20 year old kids do this today? I hope not.
Movie name pls
The Memphis Belle
Title says it
How did they not shoot each other??
Me-109E in 1943? No Fw-190A? I assume it is a time for a remake.
They are painted up Hispano Buchons. As for Me109's they served in various marks as front line fighters, in every theatre European theatre and throughout entire war. The ME 109 was credited with more ariel kills than any other aircraft.
The Germans produced 35k ME 109s compared to 18k FW190s and for the most part more squadrons were equipped with the 109.
You mean FW-190D. The A was more for ground attacks.
At the time this was made there were no airworthy 109Gs in the world. I think there may be two now. As Colin noted those are Buchons, Spanish 109 copies with Merlin engines.
@@Smokeless1167 No, the D was a late war model with an in-line engine, 190A was the fighter introduced in 1942. 190A-8 was the up-armored and up-gunned one usually used for attacking bomber formations. The dedicated ground attack model was the F but other versions were used for that as well.
Crash? That's called an "explosion", dude.
No: A planed does NOT howl when it goes down -except it's got special sirens for dive-attacks as the Stuka used to have.
---> really BAD movie!
Los B17 flying Fortress atacaron a los messerschmitt Bf 109 en una batalla administrada
Omg it exploded
Где истребители сопровождения, где " Мустанги "?
Дело в том что истребителям нехватает топлива на сопроваждения до чели и обратно.
@@ВВСОБАТОАЯГУЗ Насколько я знаю у " Мустангов " были подвесные топливные баки. И дальность они имели приличную.
Это 1943 год. Налёты на заводы шарикоподшипников в г. Швайфурт. Тогда мустанг был еще на стадии испытаний. Впрочем американское командование считало, что большие соединения В-17 в состоянии защитить себя сами и не сильно заморачивались временем суток и вопросами прикрытия. Англичане в свою очередь были умнее и бомбили только ночью.
Налёты 1943 года приводили к огромным потерям. Иногда до 40 самолётов за вылет, при условии что объединенные группы из разных соединений имели численность до 1500 самолётов в одном рейде. Именно большие потери в первыз рейдах в глубь Германии, заставили американцев прибегать к тактике челночных рейдов. (До аэродрома в г. Полтава и обратно.) Впрочем и здесь американская небрежность в скором времени привела к тому, что немцы вычислили этот аэродром и сожгли его. Быстро обвинив советскую сторону в некомпетентности, челночные рейды были свернуты, а в начале 1944 года к сопровождению были привлечены самолёты Р-38 Лайтнинг и Р-47 Тандерболт. Мустанги появились в начале 1945 года.
Суть фильма в том, что по закону сделав 25 боевых вылетов, экипаж американского бомбардировщика мог отправляться с почестями домой. Это реальная история самолёта "Мемфисская Красотка".
Im just wodering how much B-17 gunners in formation hit their own planes when following fighters...
friendly fire. You won't find any statistics on that one my friend. I´m sure it was an absolute mess up there.
@@pagedown4195 I know.feels just impossible thought when they follow enemy fighters firing their guns that they wouldnt hit own planes sometimes.
@@topivaltanen4432 I’m no expert but I imagine that in a close packed formation of b17s, ok the outer planes would fire from the sides. I imagine that flying between any two bombers or into a close grouping would be very dangerous for the attackers because it would make them easy targets. I think the Messerschmitts would target the ones on the edges and expose themselves to less fire.
@@iansmith8944 In other hand attacking through middle of them would eliminate most of gunners fire as risk shooting own planes increase.
Bit of necromancy here but to answer your question real bomber gunners didn’t quite follow planes with their sights like they do in the movies.
Gunners would have designated coverage zones of fire. When more planes were added to the formation the individual bombers would have their coverage zones. Kind of like how infantry or armour would designate arcs of fire or coverage during their operations.
Think of it as similar to the volley fire tactics during the age of muzzle loaders. Putting as much lead down range to compensate for lack of accuracy and rate of fire. Except in the case of the gunners its putting as much lead in the air to compensate for very short target exposures.
The idea was to basically give the enemy planes as little opportunity as possible to get a solid bead on a bomber via area denial. Any fighter that wandered into that zone of coverage would get plastered by a hail of .50 cal.
As someone pointed out earlier as a fighter you wanted to come charging through areas of weakness. Come out of the sun, get in amongst their formation to make it harder for them to shoot you lest they hit their own. You needed the element of surprise though, or a powerful gun that outranged the bombers.
What Crash
What a schmaltzy shit movie. Hasn't aged well.
戦闘中に戦闘中止して味方の墜ちているところをボーッと見ている奴はアホでしかねえだろう…三流映画によくあるシーンじゃねえの…
実際には苦戦の連続だからな米爆撃隊。対日戦でも相当な被害出してる
1分48秒、機銃手[揺らさないで！]って聞こえたw
Wow
Hold on, did they really use P40s and Spitfires disguised as Bf 109s?
I think probably CASA Buchons with the merlin cowl and nose; they're very common stand-ins. most famously in The Battle of Britain feature.
Probably so because the 109's had been shot down.
@@sullybiker6520 I thought the Spanish planes used Griffin engines?
@@Caseytify not from what I can find, I think they were a generation behind that engine. Maybe some restored ones do.
🙂
Мазилы
The bumpy seed morally switch because need arespectively number mid a glossy mole. sore, synonymous mascara
I will summarize what NATO and its members are doing with UKRAINE. When a man attacks a woman, we men must apply sanctions such as denouncing him, or taking the money from his account or rather prohibiting him from going out on the street. Of course not! we have to use the same or a superior force to repel aggression... But the countries that make up NATO are shit hostages to the military power of RUSSIA. Pressure your governments to use force as much as they did in afghanistan, iraq...etc. It's no use sending weapons...They won't be able to defend themselves!!!! Pressure your governments to respond militarily to RUSSIA.
These sound effects.. 🙄