The problem with trying to treat everyone equal is that things are not equal. Schedules are not equal. You can’t reward soft schedules. Indiana has played 1 team that has a winning record. Also the out of conference matchups will end. Why would Texas ever schedule Michigan? Michigan may be down this year but they weren’t when they agreed to play. Why would A&M ever schedule ND? Georgia/Clemson?
Josh, the king of the regular season, is willing to throw out months of domination by Indiana in favor of SEC teams that can’t dominate Kentucky, Florida, Miss St, Ark, Auburn, etc. All because they have one “signature win”. What about a signature season?
@@RadicallyOptimisticlook I agree but Indiana literally has one of the WEAKEST schedules in football this year. It’s not crazy to say plenty of SEC teams with Indiana’s schedule would be undefeated rn too
I disagree with Texas being a big win. I think all of the top five or six SEC teams would beat Texas. TX should not be ranked in the top 10, period. They have zero great wins against top SEC opponents. The one great team they played, smoked them at Austin. TX being #3 is a sick joke. The Aggies will destroy Texas.
@@jessesewell7922it’s a ranked opponent which is what Texas needs. Even if they make the sec title game just to lose, they will still be in the cfp. You can only play what’s on the schedule. No one knew how everyone was going to be to start the season anyways
The solution is simple, get rid of the Conference Championship Games. They're just money-grabs like all the unnecessary bowl games. They should name conference champions based on win-loss record and tie-breakers, give the top 4 ranked champions a bye, give the 2nd place teams auto-bids if they're ranked in the top 10, and fill the rest of the spots with at-large bids.
This is actually hilarious 😂 Danny Kanell has been a hater of the SEC for as long as I have been watching college football, and it's so funny to see him try to debate his point of view to someone like Josh Pate. I'm not saying that Danny is an awful person, or that Josh is the all-knowing sports guru. When it comes to college football Josh, and Danny are on two completely different levels. Josh actually shoots you straight with tangible evidence to defend his point of view, and Danny just wants to fire from the hip and express his opinion with little to no ground to stand on. I guess that's just my opinion, and I'm really not trying to hate on Danny. Everyone deserves a chance to voice their own opinions. I just hope we can enjoy the playoffs, and have good competitive games!
Josh, it happened to Penn State 2016 with beating OSU in the regular season, beating a ranked Wisconsin, only to be left out of the 4 team national playoff with OSU given the invite. There’s always been a double standard with this playoff committee.
2024 South Carolina will unfortunately join the list with 16 PSU and USC, 21 Utah, 07 Georgia, etc. September results matter a little too much for me. If there’s one SEC team I really want in, it’s South Carolina
The point is that at least the best 5-6 teams are in. The rest should be lucky to be in. One or more will inevitably feel snubbed. This moving of the goal post is unnecessary.
Are you telling me a Florida State alum is saying the SEC is not the strongest conference (by far!) in college football? He said they weren't on Twitter . But changes his tune now when he's being challenged by logic! Kanell's unbelievably dopey and biased argument is that if Indiana doesn't perform well in the ONLY difficult game on their schedule that makes them equal to Georgia, Bama, and South Carolina who didn't play well in ONE game out of the seven or eight brutal games on their schedules.
If Indiana loses to OSU they should be out, if Texas loses to A&M they should be out as well. Can't lose against your one and only tough opponent and get in.
Rewarding a second-place team in an artificial grouping because of their TV contract is absurd. Conferences have been meaningless media money grabs since the demise of the Southwest Conference.
Kannel gets on tv and pontificates but it’s clear he doesn’t watch all the games. You gotta do the work Danny. Some of the things you say make it look like you are a casual. I’m sure you know a lot about football but you gotta do the work.
They won't have half. Right now though who is better? You think Army would take TN? Clempson, Tulane? Even USCe is looking less like a joke and more like an actual team. There aren't many teams going down the rankings that I see as true competitors
@@JustN0pe3 IU 11-1 > TN 10-2 (Given IU plays OSU close and the score tells the story of the game vs other times where sometimes it doesn't). Then given sec teams win out. If they don't and Clemson wins out they could get in over TN, and TX/TAMU especailly given that'd mean they beat SC. SMU and Miami are also right there. Same with BYU and Colorado's conference title winner. ND will be out with a loss. Army will be in if they win out. Same thing likely with Boise St.
How does Danny Kanell have a job as a college football analyst but doesn't have a lick of brains when it comes to college football. Just call him Skip Jr. We all know he thinks FSU should be in the CFP.
Indiana controls their own destiny. To be able to say that 10 games in, what more can you possibly ask for. You are win and get in, SO GO AND WIN instead of worry about hypotheticals if you lose.
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This was always going to be the danger of expanding the playoff - as you expand the field, you increase the number of bubble teams that get left out. At 4 teams, most years, the top 3 or 4 were clear. Sometimes, a 5th team had a good argument. But now, at 12 teams, drawing a line between worthy and unworthy 2 or even 3 loss teams, is going to be very hard. And, of course, the prospect of a "worthy" SEC team being left out is too much for the taking heads to handle.
@bobdibenedetto5891 Sure, it makes for good conversation, but I'm afraid it cheapens the title. Historically, the national champs could be largely perceived to be the best team in the country. Now, it's going to be which good/great team got hot at the right time and avoided critical injuries. No longer a national champ, in the historical sense, but more of a tournament champ, like college basketball.
Danny K is a joke. He is pushing a narrative that BSU doesn’t belong. And he’s attempting to prop up Colorado. Also he’s putting Jeanty down (best player in college and propping up Hunter who doesn’t have good performances like the very last game where he as a corner got beat and the guy he was covering caught 3 of 4 balls thrown to him and one for a TD. How is that good defense? Also on offense had just 55 yards, 3rd on his own team. But he, and so many others in media say he’s pulling away with the race…..such bs. They twist the facts and leave out most of the facts. (Jeanty is leading the nation in about 5 categories at least, none for Hunter, he’s borderline top 10 receiver barely currently and not a top corner. He plays a lot of snaps….so?) They say in the last game that he had a TD and interception…but anyone could have ran in untouched on that TD like he did and ANYONE could have caught that lollipop of of a tipped ball directly to him
Kannell said himself, "there is almost no incentive to win your conference". However, since the system is completely broken and you have conference championships that mean absolutely nothing over CFP championship why play the game at all? If you think the game matters then it should affect their rankings after the loss otherwise, again, why play the game at all? If there is no incentive to win a conference ND should be in a better situation because they are not subjected to a conference title game that means absolutely nothing. Michigan....a no name football school for the last 20 years got a gift that will never happen again in the history of CFP. Do I think Michigan was the best team last year? No. Do I think they would have won it in a 12-team playoff format like this year? No. UGA was eliminated from CFP last year by a fluke loss to Bama leaving the least competitive teams to face Michigan in the CFP. In 2024 format, a 1 or 2 loss UGA team in a conference title or regular season game would have bounced back in the playoffs and came on top. and/or Who knows what FSU would have done with a healthy Jordan Travis regardless if they made CFP. they could have potentially did the same being a 5 or 6 ranked team.
Yes and if not I’m done with this sport. You can’t keep that roster out, especially with all the blowouts this season. And Will Howard was down vs Oregon. Lazy officials didn’t wanna review it
Losing a conference championship game should absolutely drop a team. If you win you get a first round bye, that's a massive advantage over the rest of the field and a great opportunity. Don't want to worry about dropping by losing the conference champ game? Then go win the game, how about that?
Beat who’s on your schedule regardless of the conference. Yeah Ga could bet Army but a 3 loss Ga doesn’t deserve to get in if they lose the Sec championship game. Beat your opponent and get in. Period.
Every other team in the top 12 or going in should be worried about to go up against Oregon , Ohio State , Alabama and Georgia all four of those team I can see winning the National championship
The system is not perfect. We now have a 12-team playoff, and we still have people arguing over whether teams like Indiana deserve to be in. For every argument against, there's going to be one for. Get over what the committee decides. There's no right or fair answer here. I'm an Indiana fan. If the committee decides they don't get in at 11-1, so be it. Fair? No. Disappointing? Of course. It all depends on what they choose to use as criteria.
The eye test against ohio state is going to be absolute huge if indiana wants to be in the discussion. The strength of schedule is going to hurt them. But if they can look as good or even better than penn state did than i dont think you can leave them out over a 2 loss sec team. I am a penn state fan and i am cheering for you guys. Win or lose you can not get embarrassed
I think with them having Indiana at #5, they are in no matter what. If they had plans on Indiana not making it if they lose, they'd be ranked in the 8-11 range. They could lose 35-7 and still be in. Look at Miami at 8. ZERO quality games played, struggle almost every week and a lost to unranked GT. This committee is a joke. They go against everything they say for why teams are ranked. We look at how teams play. Miami looks bad every week. TX doesn't look as impressive anymore, except against FL who sat everyone slightly injured. Indiana struggled against a bad Michigan. I have no idea outside just don't play anyone good next year, to take this ranking system.
It's lunacy to still talk about Notre Dame joining a conference. Florida State won the ACC, went 13-0, and got left out last year. Can this whole stupid "join a conference" thing finally go away?? Christ.
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We absolutely give most if not all SEC teams a huge benefit of the doubt. Listen to most pundits and they will always talk about SEC teams wins and everyone else they will talk about their losses. They will say Alabama won this game or this game but then never mention the vandy or at minimal glaze over it in two secs like it means nothing...
Penn St, Miami, and Indiana are all getting HUGE benefit of doubt. Miami has no quality wins and lost to GT, while almost losing to a bunch of other bad schools. Penn St has beat no one to earn that 4 spot. Indiana at 5 has a weak schedule for a G5 team. Yes TX should be lower as well. Stop being brainwashed. There is a lot of garbage going on in the rankings, not just the SEC
I think if Indiana loses to Ohio State they still belong because of the way they are winning. Yes they haven't beaten any ranked teams but its the way they are winning and not losing to weaker teams like Alabama, Tennessee, Ole Miss and A&M. I agree if Texas loses to A&M they probably dont belong but I think the reason they are ranked so high is because they have been beating and dominating the unranked teams and their defense is holding teams to their season low. I think the Georgia game was an anomaly compared to the rest of their season and I'm confident they beat A&M and if they lose yeah they should probably be out.
Please read @danny @josh. College football is so boring right now. Some weeks there’s only one or two interesting games. All the other games are boring and meaningless. Why don’t we have a “premier” league. Like the top 30 teams play each other. Every week is packed with fantastic matchups. Then the bottom six schools get sent down, and the lower championship winners get to play in the big leagues. Beyond the top 30 teams the talent drops off too far. Take the cream of each division and let them play it out for real. College football would be the most popular and profitable sport on the planet. The NIL money would explode for these kids, and they deserve every dollar of it. Make college football great again!!
Strength of what schedule??? Every sec team got two Ls which includes getting BLOWN OUT! if their blue chips are getting blown out, then it’s NOT a strong conference
I realistically think if Indiana looks good and keeps it close, they deserve some benefit of the doubt. But man their schedule really ended up sucking horribly this year, and those OOC weaklings were likely scheduled when Indiana sucked
Let's say theoretically that we created a new conference that included only NFL teams. Now let's say that during the regular season they only play in their conference. Most likely all of those teams would have at least one or two losses. Now the best of that conference would theoretically be like 10-2 but we know that they're obviously the best team in the country because it's NFL vs college. I'm this CFP system that team would probably not make the top 10. What I explained is basically the situation the SEC has.
The NFL system is superior because there is no eye test. No bias. Win in your region and you go to playoff. No taking 5 sec teams and 1 and 2 teams from the rest of the conferences. That's dumb.
@bjf5027 dumb it down for yourself. Look at the top 10.... nobody is beating anyone up and all of them are the top teams in their conferences 🙄 your point is invalid at this point
@@bryanpbrowning8620 The NFL system is also insanely boring. Their games have next to no weight. You could be 6-6 and still progress. I miss when the games mattered, when who you played mattered. This 12 team, autobid garbage can go away
The Texas hate is real and i like it . The fact of the matter is a 2loss Texas team is making the playoffs . You got me if they lose 3. But two losses, how do you exclude Texas . If Texas beats A&M and then loses the sec championship, they’ll be like the 8th seed or something. If they lose to A&M they’ll probably be a 9th-11 seed or something . But a 2loss Texas team is going to the playoffs , stop the cap 🧢 😂😂😂
This is nonsense, how does Texas have a 97% chance to make it and A&M a 14% chance? If A&M wins their next 2 games there is no argument to leave them behind Texas.
ATM will have to win 3 in a row Auburn, TX and Bama to get in if not they have 3 losses and are out. If TX beats Kentucky (TX is 21 point favorite) then worst case is 2 loses and they are still in.
I talking bout indiana & rankings ... it's not bout the name of team n sec ! It's the yrs of winning .. ga, bama, tenn have recent ( say 4 yrs because of athletes playing now) yrs of winning titles !! Indiana is good .. what have they done n recent yrs !! A team can win on any given day !! Anything can & will happen on field !
Jerry Palm again uninformed Just said Indiana was playing it's first bowl eligible team Ooopps University of Washington punched it's ticket last Friday Year must be a Purdue guy
Nick Saban did not get a bye in 2017 , there was no bye. He played in the 4 team playoffs and played the number of games necessary to win. Stop making up 💩 Danny boy !
Danny, is right. A lot of those second teams are flat out dead boring places: BAMA, Auburn, Arkansas, Mizzu, Hell Ku, even Georgia. There are no pro sports, so they hang their heads on college sports.
How the heck is texas still on top 😂😂😂 theyve played 1 ranked team and lost to that 1 ranked team 😂😂😂😂 theyll also lose to A&M and that will be only 2 ranked teams theyve played with 2 losses and theyll be out...
Georgia beat Kentucky by 1 point! Georgia let Miss St put up 31 on them. Fl put up 20 on GA. Arkansas beat Tennessee and so many people had them favorite to beat GA last week. Bunch of TX haters. Oregon is still number 1 and basically lost to WI yea ok….. Georgia Tech is gnna beat GA.
@@blackout07blue When Georgia loses to GT like Miami did the dust might settle and everyone can take the Georgia d out their mouth js. Carson Beck is Trash 12 interceptions in last 7 games.
idk. In 2022 Georgia played Kentucky close at Kentucky and still won everything. People focus so hard on some teams, while ignoring other teams that play badly as well. Oregon played like crap the first several games, Ohio has struggled at time, Miami struggles every week. TX looks like they've regressed some. Indiana struggled against Michigan. Penn St struggle against BG. I mean the list goes on and on. That's just off the top of my head. Every team this year has looked bad at times
@ absolutely!!! I think there needs to be a shift of conversation and imo these so called sports analysts need to stop saying “this team hasn’t played anyone” This is the new era of NIL college football!!! Cam Ward just came from Houston and was favored for heisman half the year! D1 ballerz are going to get paid regardless of the school! Which means alot of “nobody schools” are going to continue to flourish! Im over the Georgia suck off fest tho! Beck has been garbage all season! Georgia Tech might beat em IMO.
The system is far from perfect. However, if you think that the top 4-5 teams in the SEC aren’t all national championship contenders, you’re flat out wrong. It’s pretty much universal, however, that Indiana, Boise State, and BYU have no shot of winning it all.
Ole miss, Georgia , Alabama and Texas could all 100% without doubt beat Ohio state or Oregon. Who else is gonna stand in their way? Penn state? Absolutely not, Indiana? No, byu? No Colorado? No. They’d get crushed. Ohio state and Oregon are the only 2 teams that could give the SEC top dogs a run for their money
@@JoshCathey-rk4kl I agree 100%. Moreover, if the G5 team gets a first round bye then that is when we should just cancel the CFP, because that's just flat out wrong! The G5 team getting in, is just a participation trophy gift. That is the only thing that bothers me, to be honest. I can't accept them getting a bye after them not playing a P4 schedule!
I actually like Pate, he's just a ND hater.. Keep talking about a week 2 loss but on the SEC 🥜🥜 maybe the SEC isn't the best league🤷.. When ND crushes USC say it's a QUALITY WIN since the shoe fits for Penn State
Talk about double standards more Mr "Boise doesn't belong" Kanel 😂 all of the points he's making here for including Indiana are the exact opposite of the logic he applies to Boise
TCU literally finished with 6 ranked wins and dominated majority of game against undefeated Michigan who won natty last year give it a break. There were tons of blowouts in semi finals before that and worse playoff teams
Danny’s a little nuts… Indiana’s schedule is horrendous, and if they lose by 3 TDs to OSU, they’re not really good enough for the tourney. But the playoff does not mesh with the conf championship games. Couldn’t you see where, if the loser of that game was expected to still be invited to the dance, where they might rest some starters, or players who might be 50%, for the championship game? So what’s the point?
Lastly, bring back the BCS era rule that did not count FCS opponents as part of a team's record. So, the SEC would have to weigh the benefit of keeping their week-11 cupcakes vs the cost of only playing 11 FBS opponents.
There's just as many B1G, ACC, Big12 teams on the "played an FCS team" as there are SEC schools. Or are you mad Alabama played a trash school in Nov while Ohio St/Penn St were playing 1-9 Perdue in Nov?
Thank you Josh for devaluing the regular season. So if Indiana loses to OSU, they have nothing to stand on? What about a 10-0 start with an average margin of 20+ points? Do the games not matter? This is why I unsubbed to Josh. Pure contradiction just to get his puppies (Dawgs) in
Yeah he’s right they have nothing to stand on. If I’m Usain Bolt but I’m only beating high schoolers doesn’t show much but when I finally race another pro I get blown out. That’s Indiana, you have to prove you can at least beat a ranked opponent not the bottom of the Big 10
@@jaxongriffith5321i mean why do they have to prove they have to beat ohio state at home (the number 2) team in the country. Penn state couldnt do it at happy valley and they dont get looked at. Its brand bias and i am a penn state fan but if indiana loses by 10 points or less to ohio state at home they should 100% make it. If they get blown out then yea i would agree with you
If Usain Bolt breaks the world record time but he does it against my 7 year old cousin, I couldn’t care less. He broke the world record. Learn to analyze regardless of competition. 2019 Clemson played arguably a worse schedule than Indiana and they made the title game.
Josh is trying to keep Indiana out with a 1 point loss this week. Not a blowout. By the way I think OSU would win and cover, but disregarding months of football is so unhealthy for the sport
Miami is way overrated and hasn’t beat a single top 25 team yet! Boise? When they gonna beat a top 25 team? But yall think they can hang in a playoff?? Didn’t learn anything from Cincy did ya?
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The problem with trying to treat everyone equal is that things are not equal. Schedules are not equal. You can’t reward soft schedules. Indiana has played 1 team that has a winning record. Also the out of conference matchups will end. Why would Texas ever schedule Michigan? Michigan may be down this year but they weren’t when they agreed to play. Why would A&M ever schedule ND? Georgia/Clemson?
I don't care what Danny Kanell thinks.
Join a conference.
@@jimjason5146conferences don’t have the balls to force ND into one.
@@carlossiu888 perfect response! Go Irish!
Are you suggesting he "thinks" before he opens his mouth and spews these idiotic opinions?
@@GodLovesComics Nice! Good one!
Strength of Schedule has to be important and carry respectable weight when determining who are the best teams.
But so should the eye test and how you handle the rest of your schedule
Josh is the authority on all things football because he applies sound logic.
No he isn't
That is so true.
Josh, the king of the regular season, is willing to throw out months of domination by Indiana in favor of SEC teams that can’t dominate Kentucky, Florida, Miss St, Ark, Auburn, etc. All because they have one “signature win”. What about a signature season?
@@RadicallyOptimisticlook I agree but Indiana literally has one of the WEAKEST schedules in football this year. It’s not crazy to say plenty of SEC teams with Indiana’s schedule would be undefeated rn too
Bmaclaps, get off his lap
A&M vs Texas is an elimination game. Winner makes the playoff. It will be both team’s biggest win by a huge margin.
Both teams have to take care of business first
Not true is A&M beats Texas and loses the SEC championship they are out
A&M also has to beat Auburn
I disagree with Texas being a big win. I think all of the top five or six SEC teams would beat Texas. TX should not be ranked in the top 10, period. They have zero great wins against top SEC opponents. The one great team they played, smoked them at Austin. TX being #3 is a sick joke. The Aggies will destroy Texas.
@@jessesewell7922it’s a ranked opponent which is what Texas needs. Even if they make the sec title game just to lose, they will still be in the cfp. You can only play what’s on the schedule. No one knew how everyone was going to be to start the season anyways
I saw Josh and instantly clicked on
Actually, if you analyze the whole conversation, Danny Kannell comes off very well.
Danny had sharp, direct points, Josh was a bit - circumspect.
The solution is simple, get rid of the Conference Championship Games. They're just money-grabs like all the unnecessary bowl games. They should name conference champions based on win-loss record and tie-breakers, give the top 4 ranked champions a bye, give the 2nd place teams auto-bids if they're ranked in the top 10, and fill the rest of the spots with at-large bids.
Outside of Ohio State this Saturday, Indiana hasn't played a team with a winning record....let that sink in.
Truth! Miami hasn’t played anyone either! Boise? Pffff play some ranked teams and let’s see what ya got?
This is actually hilarious 😂 Danny Kanell has been a hater of the SEC for as long as I have been watching college football, and it's so funny to see him try to debate his point of view to someone like Josh Pate. I'm not saying that Danny is an awful person, or that Josh is the all-knowing sports guru. When it comes to college football Josh, and Danny are on two completely different levels. Josh actually shoots you straight with tangible evidence to defend his point of view, and Danny just wants to fire from the hip and express his opinion with little to no ground to stand on. I guess that's just my opinion, and I'm really not trying to hate on Danny. Everyone deserves a chance to voice their own opinions. I just hope we can enjoy the playoffs, and have good competitive games!
Oregon already clinched a spot in the B1G Championship game
Dude wears a sweater with his initials embroidered on? 😭😭😭
Lmao 😅
That's a nice DK Metcalf sweater
Josh, it happened to Penn State 2016 with beating OSU in the regular season, beating a ranked Wisconsin, only to be left out of the 4 team national playoff with OSU given the invite. There’s always been a double standard with this playoff committee.
Same season, CU went to pac 12 championship over USC, lost to UW, and then USC got the Rose Bowl instead of CU
4-team playoff is different from 12 teams. 😂
There was only 4 teams. The a big variable in your equation lol
This
2024 South Carolina will unfortunately join the list with 16 PSU and USC, 21 Utah, 07 Georgia, etc. September results matter a little too much for me. If there’s one SEC team I really want in, it’s South Carolina
This needs to become a regular thing.
Agree, but replace Danny with Brady
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The point is that at least the best 5-6 teams are in. The rest should be lucky to be in. One or more will inevitably feel snubbed. This moving of the goal post is unnecessary.
😂😂 every SEC team will be tied.
Are you telling me a Florida State alum is saying the SEC is not the strongest conference (by far!) in college football? He said they weren't on Twitter . But changes his tune now when he's being challenged by logic! Kanell's unbelievably dopey and biased argument is that if Indiana doesn't perform well in the ONLY difficult game on their schedule that makes them equal to Georgia, Bama, and South Carolina who didn't play well in ONE game out of the seven or eight brutal games on their schedules.
This man brought up the big 12 😂😂😂😂 they should get one in that’s it… SEC 5, big ten3 ,group of 5 team, pac 12 champ and ACC champ
PAC12?
If Indiana loses to OSU they should be out, if Texas loses to A&M they should be out as well. Can't lose against your one and only tough opponent and get in.
Penn St, Miami, & Boise? All lost to their only "good" opponent.
Is it better to lose to Northern Illinois or whoever beat ND
Danny Kanell is such a good hate watch
6 way tie breaker SEC champ. Arizona State. Indiana. SMU. Dark Horse madness.
Smu is going to win the ACC this year. Going to the CFP in their first year back in power 5 conference since 1987.❤
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Rewarding a second-place team in an artificial grouping because of their TV contract is absurd. Conferences have been meaningless media money grabs since the demise of the Southwest Conference.
Kannel gets on tv and pontificates but it’s clear he doesn’t watch all the games. You gotta do the work Danny. Some of the things you say make it look like you are a casual. I’m sure you know a lot about football but you gotta do the work.
Lets be serious.Indiana's not beating texas, alabama, georgia, or Ole Miss ....
I agree with DK, SEC shouldn’t get half the field
I would agree with you if the other conferences played schedules were they have 4 top 25 teams to play before the end of season.
It depends on what happens across the board.
Sec's national title dominance and draft stock speaks for itself. The sec has more talent then the acc and big 12 combined
They won't have half. Right now though who is better? You think Army would take TN? Clempson, Tulane? Even USCe is looking less like a joke and more like an actual team. There aren't many teams going down the rankings that I see as true competitors
@@JustN0pe3 IU 11-1 > TN 10-2 (Given IU plays OSU close and the score tells the story of the game vs other times where sometimes it doesn't).
Then given sec teams win out. If they don't and Clemson wins out they could get in over TN, and TX/TAMU especailly given that'd mean they beat SC.
SMU and Miami are also right there. Same with BYU and Colorado's conference title winner.
ND will be out with a loss. Army will be in if they win out.
Same thing likely with Boise St.
The solution to that "punishing the second place team" is to have the second and third conference team play eachother also
cbs needs to turn the music down on some of those graphics segments
How does Danny Kanell have a job as a college football analyst but doesn't have a lick of brains when it comes to college football. Just call him Skip Jr. We all know he thinks FSU should be in the CFP.
Indiana controls their own destiny. To be able to say that 10 games in, what more can you possibly ask for. You are win and get in, SO GO AND WIN instead of worry about hypotheticals if you lose.
Ranked at #5, they are in no matter what happens. The Michigan AD will make sure the B1G gets as many teams in as he can.
While everyone is focusing on who got in, who didn't, and who deserves too, the BXII just inked a massive TV deal with TNT! Who saw this coming?! Talk about major exposure!
TNT is still a channel?
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@JustN0pe3 TNT Sports will also begin showing 13 Big 12 football and 15 men’s basketball games next season as part of a sublicense with ESPN. TNT will air two College Football Playoff games beginning this season also under a sublicense with ESPN.
This was always going to be the danger of expanding the playoff - as you expand the field, you increase the number of bubble teams that get left out. At 4 teams, most years, the top 3 or 4 were clear. Sometimes, a 5th team had a good argument. But now, at 12 teams, drawing a line between worthy and unworthy 2 or even 3 loss teams, is going to be very hard. And, of course, the prospect of a "worthy" SEC team being left out is too much for the taking heads to handle.
@bobdibenedetto5891 Sure, it makes for good conversation, but I'm afraid it cheapens the title. Historically, the national champs could be largely perceived to be the best team in the country. Now, it's going to be which good/great team got hot at the right time and avoided critical injuries. No longer a national champ, in the historical sense, but more of a tournament champ, like college basketball.
@@bobdibenedetto5891haha much obliged
Indiana and SMU are two great stories this year
If only they played a team worth a shit
@dwnsouthboy they will, I'm not saying they're going to win the national championship. Lol
smu did they lost though
Danny K is a joke. He is pushing a narrative that BSU doesn’t belong. And he’s attempting to prop up Colorado. Also he’s putting Jeanty down (best player in college and propping up Hunter who doesn’t have good performances like the very last game where he as a corner got beat and the guy he was covering caught 3 of 4 balls thrown to him and one for a TD. How is that good defense? Also on offense had just 55 yards, 3rd on his own team. But he, and so many others in media say he’s pulling away with the race…..such bs. They twist the facts and leave out most of the facts. (Jeanty is leading the nation in about 5 categories at least, none for Hunter, he’s borderline top 10 receiver barely currently and not a top corner. He plays a lot of snaps….so?) They say in the last game that he had a TD and interception…but anyone could have ran in untouched on that TD like he did and ANYONE could have caught that lollipop of of a tipped ball directly to him
Kannell said himself, "there is almost no incentive to win your conference". However, since the system is completely broken and you have conference championships that mean absolutely nothing over CFP championship why play the game at all? If you think the game matters then it should affect their rankings after the loss otherwise, again, why play the game at all? If there is no incentive to win a conference ND should be in a better situation because they are not subjected to a conference title game that means absolutely nothing. Michigan....a no name football school for the last 20 years got a gift that will never happen again in the history of CFP. Do I think Michigan was the best team last year? No. Do I think they would have won it in a 12-team playoff format like this year? No. UGA was eliminated from CFP last year by a fluke loss to Bama leaving the least competitive teams to face Michigan in the CFP. In 2024 format, a 1 or 2 loss UGA team in a conference title or regular season game would have bounced back in the playoffs and came on top. and/or Who knows what FSU would have done with a healthy Jordan Travis regardless if they made CFP. they could have potentially did the same being a 5 or 6 ranked team.
Danny Kannell missed half the IU argument...
Josh cooked him here mostly
Big respect for Josh bringing up Texas being out with a loss to TAMU
Yall should’ve said that about that 2016 PSU team that WON the big10 and GOT LEFT OUT
As a OSU fan. What if Ohio State loses to Indiana? Are they still in with 2-loss & no possible B10 conference championship attendance?
Yes and if not I’m done with this sport. You can’t keep that roster out, especially with all the blowouts this season. And Will Howard was down vs Oregon. Lazy officials didn’t wanna review it
I'd keep Ohio St in
Josh Pate in the House.. Danny Kanell is the "Hill" of WWE. Plays role well.
I'd like to think Danny is Jesse, Josh is Josh, and Jesse is the 10 year old kid.
Losing a conference championship game should absolutely drop a team. If you win you get a first round bye, that's a massive advantage over the rest of the field and a great opportunity. Don't want to worry about dropping by losing the conference champ game? Then go win the game, how about that?
The risk is greater than the reward. Just ask Georgia last year
1:51 it did make me chuckle that the top 4 In that list literally all beat each other in reverse order. 1 lost to 2 who lost to 3 who lost to 4
3 lost to 10
@@JustN0pe3what’s your point
All Colorado has to do is win out and there in and ready to make noise 🦬
You mean a whimpering noise
Danny roots for the underdog 💪
Surprised my Vols didn’t drop out.
They did
Gotta love those autobids
Danny doesn’t know anything about football 🤣 he’s just pure bias
Kentucky would beat Indiana on a neutral field.
Just a destruction of Kannell
Beat who’s on your schedule regardless of the conference. Yeah Ga could bet Army but a 3 loss Ga doesn’t deserve to get in if they lose the Sec championship game. Beat your opponent and get in. Period.
Every other team in the top 12 or going in should be worried about to go up against Oregon , Ohio State , Alabama and Georgia all four of those team I can see winning the National championship
😂😂 Alabama lost to Vandy. Georgia about lost to Florida and Kentucky.
@@blackout07blueand Oregon almost lost to Wisconsin
Ohio St and Bama are the runaway two best teams. Welcome back to 2020. People just haven’t realized it yet
You missed the second best team in my mind by the eye test.
THE OLE MISS REBELS
@@frankschaefer8890 They'll be out after this weekend. LaneTrain will pull a normal bust game this weekend
The system is not perfect. We now have a 12-team playoff, and we still have people arguing over whether teams like Indiana deserve to be in. For every argument against, there's going to be one for. Get over what the committee decides. There's no right or fair answer here. I'm an Indiana fan. If the committee decides they don't get in at 11-1, so be it. Fair? No. Disappointing? Of course. It all depends on what they choose to use as criteria.
The eye test against ohio state is going to be absolute huge if indiana wants to be in the discussion. The strength of schedule is going to hurt them. But if they can look as good or even better than penn state did than i dont think you can leave them out over a 2 loss sec team. I am a penn state fan and i am cheering for you guys. Win or lose you can not get embarrassed
I think with them having Indiana at #5, they are in no matter what. If they had plans on Indiana not making it if they lose, they'd be ranked in the 8-11 range. They could lose 35-7 and still be in. Look at Miami at 8. ZERO quality games played, struggle almost every week and a lost to unranked GT. This committee is a joke. They go against everything they say for why teams are ranked.
We look at how teams play. Miami looks bad every week. TX doesn't look as impressive anymore, except against FL who sat everyone slightly injured. Indiana struggled against a bad Michigan. I have no idea outside just don't play anyone good next year, to take this ranking system.
@@JustN0pe3 I'd like to believe that would be the case.
SOS has to rule! If not then we are going to get more major mismatch games. I don’t wanna watch a top 10 team play Furman or Chattanooga
This is great,,,the media is making this a big drama. 12 teams is awesome and quit making it a negative situation.
It's lunacy to still talk about Notre Dame joining a conference. Florida State won the ACC, went 13-0, and got left out last year. Can this whole stupid "join a conference" thing finally go away?? Christ.
Boise State gonna make you cry baby SEC and Big 10 fans weep this year
Texas had their biggest win against Vandy. That definitely should get them a bye.
Buffs don't need AS or IS to lose, those teams are both 2 losses in the conference and CU is 1. If CU wins out Big 12 they're in.
so is byu
Pate, I found your page before I knew your employer! In Georgia that means I gotta support a fellow Georgian! I'm a DSGB so 🤷🏿 I'm just here to let the people know that Josh Pate loves Black People and Mexicans! 👀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 #DAWGNATION
Josh jumps off and on about him and the sec. One day he says the sec is the best and the other, big10 is.
We absolutely give most if not all SEC teams a huge benefit of the doubt. Listen to most pundits and they will always talk about SEC teams wins and everyone else they will talk about their losses. They will say Alabama won this game or this game but then never mention the vandy or at minimal glaze over it in two secs like it means nothing...
Penn St, Miami, and Indiana are all getting HUGE benefit of doubt. Miami has no quality wins and lost to GT, while almost losing to a bunch of other bad schools. Penn St has beat no one to earn that 4 spot. Indiana at 5 has a weak schedule for a G5 team. Yes TX should be lower as well. Stop being brainwashed. There is a lot of garbage going on in the rankings, not just the SEC
I think if Indiana loses to Ohio State they still belong because of the way they are winning. Yes they haven't beaten any ranked teams but its the way they are winning and not losing to weaker teams like Alabama, Tennessee, Ole Miss and A&M. I agree if Texas loses to A&M they probably dont belong but I think the reason they are ranked so high is because they have been beating and dominating the unranked teams and their defense is holding teams to their season low. I think the Georgia game was an anomaly compared to the rest of their season and I'm confident they beat A&M and if they lose yeah they should probably be out.
Please read @danny @josh.
College football is so boring right now. Some weeks there’s only one or two interesting games. All the other games are boring and meaningless.
Why don’t we have a “premier” league. Like the top 30 teams play each other. Every week is packed with fantastic matchups.
Then the bottom six schools get sent down, and the lower championship winners get to play in the big leagues.
Beyond the top 30 teams the talent drops off too far.
Take the cream of each division and let them play it out for real.
College football would be the most popular and profitable sport on the planet. The NIL money would explode for these kids, and they deserve every dollar of it.
Make college football great again!!
Tennessee over Ole Miss is a new one - Ole Miss destroyed Georgia , who just beat Tenn by 2 TDs , both within the last 10 freakin days
Ole Miss lost to awful kentucky at home. Arkansas lost to bad Arkansas. No doubt both teams should be eliminated already.
Get em PATE!!!
TALK ABOUT THE ACC
Why
The ACC should get 2 maybe 3 in. They won't but if it was fair they would. 6 sec teams will get in which is dumb.
@@jimjason5146probably 4. But acc is ass, sec vastly superior.
@ SMU is in the ACC championship game - the ACC is laughable per usual. Your front leader just lost to Georgia tech lmao
SMU coa beat some of the CFP teams. Their only loss is to BYU by 3 points before they changed Qb
Strength of what schedule??? Every sec team got two Ls which includes getting BLOWN OUT! if their blue chips are getting blown out, then it’s NOT a strong conference
Who's a strong conference? The B1G? That conference is so strong one of their teams SOS is 106. That bad even for a G5 team. Let that sink in
Kanell is still upset about his team getting beat in South Bend.
I realistically think if Indiana looks good and keeps it close, they deserve some benefit of the doubt. But man their schedule really ended up sucking horribly this year, and those OOC weaklings were likely scheduled when Indiana sucked
lol goes to every first week game where anything happens.
Let's say theoretically that we created a new conference that included only NFL teams. Now let's say that during the regular season they only play in their conference. Most likely all of those teams would have at least one or two losses. Now the best of that conference would theoretically be like 10-2 but we know that they're obviously the best team in the country because it's NFL vs college. I'm this CFP system that team would probably not make the top 10. What I explained is basically the situation the SEC has.
No it isn't. You are trying to seem smart while simultaneously not making a single legitimate point in all of your cry baby statement
The NFL system is superior because there is no eye test. No bias. Win in your region and you go to playoff. No taking 5 sec teams and 1 and 2 teams from the rest of the conferences. That's dumb.
@@bryanpbrowning8620 okay let me dumb it down for you. If the best conference has the best teams, then they will knock each other out of the running.
@bjf5027 dumb it down for yourself. Look at the top 10.... nobody is beating anyone up and all of them are the top teams in their conferences 🙄 your point is invalid at this point
@@bryanpbrowning8620 The NFL system is also insanely boring. Their games have next to no weight. You could be 6-6 and still progress. I miss when the games mattered, when who you played mattered. This 12 team, autobid garbage can go away
1:59 Colorado controls their own destiny.
2:14 Colorado apparently doesn’t control their own destiny.
Who writes this crap 😂😂
Don't normally agree with Kanell but thought he made good points in relation to Indiana.
The Texas hate is real and i like it . The fact of the matter is a 2loss Texas team is making the playoffs . You got me if they lose 3. But two losses, how do you exclude Texas . If Texas beats A&M and then loses the sec championship, they’ll be like the 8th seed or something. If they lose to A&M they’ll probably be a 9th-11 seed or something . But a 2loss Texas team is going to the playoffs , stop the cap 🧢 😂😂😂
Danny just can't stand that there's at least 6 SEC teams that should be in the play offs.
Right ! Like it’s not the toughest conference in CFB
There's 7 teams that are in the bubble convo now.
This is nonsense, how does Texas have a 97% chance to make it and A&M a 14% chance? If A&M wins their next 2 games there is no argument to leave them behind Texas.
ATM will have to win 3 in a row Auburn, TX and Bama to get in if not they have 3 losses and are out. If TX beats Kentucky (TX is 21 point favorite) then worst case is 2 loses and they are still in.
Ok screw it lets do what basketball does!!
I talking bout indiana & rankings ... it's not bout the name of team n sec ! It's the yrs of winning .. ga, bama, tenn have recent ( say 4 yrs because of athletes playing now) yrs of winning titles !! Indiana is good .. what have they done n recent yrs !! A team can win on any given day !! Anything can & will happen on field !
So you’re saying there’s a chance? Go Gamecocks!!
It’s because they don’t play ANYONE. UGA has the number one hardest schedule in the nation. this dude is a clown. You can’t compare apples to oranges.
Jerry Palm again uninformed
Just said Indiana was playing it's first bowl eligible team
Ooopps
University of Washington punched it's ticket last Friday
Year must be a Purdue guy
Nick Saban did not get a bye in 2017 , there was no bye. He played in the 4 team playoffs and played the number of games necessary to win. Stop making up 💩 Danny boy !
The bye was not making the SECCG game. Try keeping up
Boxing gloves next time gentleman
I hope it is Ohio state and Oregon again, and I hope Ohio state again!
Best roster money can buy is so f-ing dumb. Ohio State is AlWAYS LOADED....
Danny, is right. A lot of those second teams are flat out dead boring places: BAMA, Auburn, Arkansas, Mizzu, Hell Ku, even Georgia. There are no pro sports, so they hang their heads on college sports.
You've never been to Georgia before. Not a boring place
@JustN0pe3 been there 4 times... Bored..
How the heck is texas still on top 😂😂😂 theyve played 1 ranked team and lost to that 1 ranked team 😂😂😂😂 theyll also lose to A&M and that will be only 2 ranked teams theyve played with 2 losses and theyll be out...
Georgia beat Kentucky by 1 point! Georgia let Miss St put up 31 on them. Fl put up 20 on GA. Arkansas beat Tennessee and so many people had them favorite to beat GA last week. Bunch of TX haters. Oregon is still number 1 and basically lost to WI yea ok….. Georgia Tech is gnna beat GA.
Texas beat Vandy by 3. Got humiliated by Georgia. Lucky to face injured Arkansas and Florida QBs. Texas is eliminated if they can’t beat A&M.
@@blackout07bluebama and Tennesee lost to Vandy and Arkansas. Texas didn’t.
@@blackout07blue When Georgia loses to GT like Miami did the dust might settle and everyone can take the Georgia d out their mouth js. Carson Beck is Trash 12 interceptions in last 7 games.
idk. In 2022 Georgia played Kentucky close at Kentucky and still won everything. People focus so hard on some teams, while ignoring other teams that play badly as well. Oregon played like crap the first several games, Ohio has struggled at time, Miami struggles every week. TX looks like they've regressed some. Indiana struggled against Michigan. Penn St struggle against BG. I mean the list goes on and on. That's just off the top of my head. Every team this year has looked bad at times
@ absolutely!!! I think there needs to be a shift of conversation and imo these so called sports analysts need to stop saying “this team hasn’t played anyone” This is the new era of NIL college football!!! Cam Ward just came from Houston and was favored for heisman half the year! D1 ballerz are going to get paid regardless of the school! Which means alot of “nobody schools” are going to continue to flourish! Im over the Georgia suck off fest tho! Beck has been garbage all season! Georgia Tech might beat em IMO.
The system is far from perfect. However, if you think that the top 4-5 teams in the SEC aren’t all national championship contenders, you’re flat out wrong. It’s pretty much universal, however, that Indiana, Boise State, and BYU have no shot of winning it all.
Ole miss, Georgia , Alabama and Texas could all 100% without doubt beat Ohio state or Oregon. Who else is gonna stand in their way? Penn state? Absolutely not, Indiana? No, byu? No Colorado? No. They’d get crushed. Ohio state and Oregon are the only 2 teams that could give the SEC top dogs a run for their money
Bullshit pal. Boise would beat any SEC team this season. SEC and Big 10 are fucking weak this season.
@@JoshCathey-rk4kl I agree 100%. Moreover, if the G5 team gets a first round bye then that is when we should just cancel the CFP, because that's just flat out wrong! The G5 team getting in, is just a participation trophy gift. That is the only thing that bothers me, to be honest. I can't accept them getting a bye after them not playing a P4 schedule!
@@frogger_222 Boise state is there for a reason. I don't think they will be blown out.
@@JoshCathey-rk4klI had a typo, I meant to say the top 5 SEC teams could win it all. You’re right about OH State and Oregon
I actually like Pate, he's just a ND hater.. Keep talking about a week 2 loss but on the SEC 🥜🥜 maybe the SEC isn't the best league🤷.. When ND crushes USC say it's a QUALITY WIN since the shoe fits for Penn State
Talk about double standards more Mr "Boise doesn't belong" Kanel 😂 all of the points he's making here for including Indiana are the exact opposite of the logic he applies to Boise
Hey Kannel dude I don't want to see Another TCU, Indiana is TCU in 2022😅😅😅😅
Tcu was winning miracle games. Tcu is more like byu. Indiana on the other hand has blown everyone out and will show if they can hang with ohio state
TCU literally finished with 6 ranked wins and dominated majority of game against undefeated Michigan who won natty last year give it a break. There were tons of blowouts in semi finals before that and worse playoff teams
@@jwolf2254 Didn't blow out Michigan, and Michigan is very bad
Texas should not be in the top 10, period. They have no great wins and the one great team they played kicked their ass at Austin
But they only have 1 loss and they were #1 when they lost.
So texas hasn't played anyone so they don't deserve to be in but Indiana should be in even if they lose and they also haven't played anybody 😂
Group of five autobid is dumb.
Texas already has a lost and they sre ranked 3rd
Danny’s a little nuts… Indiana’s schedule is horrendous, and if they lose by 3 TDs to OSU, they’re not really good enough for the tourney.
But the playoff does not mesh with the conf championship games.
Couldn’t you see where, if the loser of that game was expected to still be invited to the dance, where they might rest some starters, or players who might be 50%, for the championship game?
So what’s the point?
He’s right about Tejas. They play no one. They belong in the big ten with that weak sauce schedule. Just like Ohio State does every year. Sorry.
Money talks. bama makes alot money for people they will be in with 3 losses over tn or mis state.
What a video. Go gators
Lastly, bring back the BCS era rule that did not count FCS opponents as part of a team's record. So, the SEC would have to weigh the benefit of keeping their week-11 cupcakes vs the cost of only playing 11 FBS opponents.
There's just as many B1G, ACC, Big12 teams on the "played an FCS team" as there are SEC schools. Or are you mad Alabama played a trash school in Nov while Ohio St/Penn St were playing 1-9 Perdue in Nov?
Thank you Josh for devaluing the regular season. So if Indiana loses to OSU, they have nothing to stand on? What about a 10-0 start with an average margin of 20+ points? Do the games not matter? This is why I unsubbed to Josh. Pure contradiction just to get his puppies (Dawgs) in
Yeah he’s right they have nothing to stand on. If I’m Usain Bolt but I’m only beating high schoolers doesn’t show much but when I finally race another pro I get blown out. That’s Indiana, you have to prove you can at least beat a ranked opponent not the bottom of the Big 10
@@jaxongriffith5321i mean why do they have to prove they have to beat ohio state at home (the number 2) team in the country. Penn state couldnt do it at happy valley and they dont get looked at. Its brand bias and i am a penn state fan but if indiana loses by 10 points or less to ohio state at home they should 100% make it. If they get blown out then yea i would agree with you
Pretending like all wins in college football are equal is just so dishonest dude. Come to reality
If Usain Bolt breaks the world record time but he does it against my 7 year old cousin, I couldn’t care less. He broke the world record. Learn to analyze regardless of competition. 2019 Clemson played arguably a worse schedule than Indiana and they made the title game.
Josh is trying to keep Indiana out with a 1 point loss this week. Not a blowout. By the way I think OSU would win and cover, but disregarding months of football is so unhealthy for the sport
Miami is way overrated and hasn’t beat a single top 25 team yet! Boise? When they gonna beat a top 25 team? But yall think they can hang in a playoff?? Didn’t learn anything from Cincy did ya?
DK was, is, and will forever be a “Loser”.
Why does any legit sports media outlet pay this guy to continue his pointless crusade.