At the time she recorded it for use by the tram on the boardwalk. Once it was used for merchandising and promotions, she should have been compensated. Someone is making money off what she created, and she should be also.
The irony of this wound be... Joey's "competitor" in Wildwood is the Watch the Tramcar website... So I would love it if his voice was saying that famous slogan up and down the boardwalk!
The family should be embarrassed for bringing this lawsuit forward. In today’s world they could just Ai generate her voice and call it a day. What a way to ruin a legacy.
And she was at the ribbon cutting for The Run Away Tram ride on Moreys Piers. I believe she was one of the first to officially ride it. She didn’t have a problem then?
Her grandson or great grandson must’ve just graduated law school and looking for his first case . Absolutely ridiculous she recorded it if her own free will knowing it was going to be used for the Tram car. Disappointing to say the least ! Everyone is Sue happy 😡
50+ years.. that makes her in her 70's. sounds like family members need cash. she didn't wake up one day and decide to do this. this is wrong on so many levels. I've got attorney should ask the first question why now?
I don’t think that they are going to change it she should be glad that her vice is history. Hopefully they don’t change that’s one of my favorite things to hear when I walk on the boardwalk.
I am not a lawyer, but I think she has nissed the tram car!!! She should get over whatever is bugging her and concede that she donated to a public service.
The fact that she’s deciding to sue 54 YEARS LATER is absolutely ridiculous… I understand needing consent, because Wildwood is making money off of her voice without her making any money. I have been going to Wildwood every year since I was 3-years old in 2009, and “Watch the tramcar, please.” is in my heart. Like you said, we all know that it’s one of the most memorable sounds of the Wildwoods.
Why did she wait 54years? And who’s being sued makes no sense to me. I’m taken back by this whole thing. Very sad. Hope she comes to her senses. I vote for Gig & you, Joey for new voices if hers is pulled!! 😊 Why can’t we have 2 great voices?
Certainly she should be compensated. I can't believe she wasn't getting compensated all these years. Everyone else connected with the tram car and Wildwood is getting a piece of the pie , it's absurd she wasn't getting compensated from the beginning
Why now after all these years?! This is ridiculous! Her voice will be removed and they'll settle out of court and give her something to make this go away.
She performed a job and very well could have been compensated in other ways. It doesn't matter, this is RUINING FOR EVERYONE !!!! Nice legacy !!! I've said too much, I'm too angry. Joey, please keep us up to date. Thanks -
In 2005, Matthew Fisher who was the organist with Procol Harum, sued Gary Brooker who wrote the music for Whiter Shade of Pale. Fisher wanted 50% of the music copyright for the song because of his iconic, melodic organ playing which propelled the song. He won the lawsuit in 2006. The song was written in 1967. It just makes you wonder why there was a decades-long silence about the issue.
If you look at songs that go public domain - copywrited songs go public after 50-75 years after authors death - songs may go public domain sooner if there is no copyright - I think that her recording falls under this category - someone fact check me on this please
It’s possible we don’t have the full story here….. but I do feel she should be compensated for the a portion of past 50 years….especially now that her voice is used (recordings) in the sales of toys etc……. Not a frivolous lawsuit IMO…. Definitely an interesting one to watch. All these businesses “using her voice” NEVER investigated the legalities of using Floss’s voice for the past 54 yrs……?!
This makes me so sad, that phrase and voice is historic and a memory of so many that walk that iconic boardwalk. I immediately smile when I hear that phrase and wait to hear it while entering the boardwalk for the season. It’s not wildwood without it.
I think Wildwood peaked in the 70's. You still had the Fun Pier, Hunts Pier, a movie theater on the boardwalk, Zaberers, the Dracula's Castle was built. I believe the Punk Flamingo was still running. And now today we will be stripped of another memory. I am so glad I was in the Wildwoods in those days of gone I can cherish the memories of everything that once was. Even driving around was so cool because of all the neon signs from all the hotels that are also gone. Unfortunately this is probably the last year we have heard the tramcar signature. Leave it to merchandising to leave this behind in our memories.
Does anyone else remember the Shell Shop in North Wildwood? And Zaberer's Home of the Zaberized Cocktail? The old fishing shacks along 147? Jim's Clam Bar?
I am not a lawyer but I always thought if something like a recording was never copyrighted after so many years it would be considered public domain. Just like many really old records that originally had copyrights become usable by anyone after so many years of copyright protection. Since she never asked for compensation from the original operators of the Tram Car so I do not feel she has any rights now against anyone using the voice. I am also surprised that the existing owners or some previous operator never copyrighted even the phrase “ Watch the Tram Car, Watch the Tram Car please!” That would protect Wildwood from any other possible tram car operator from using the phrase. You asked what the Tram car used years be for they used the voice. I am 71 years old and I believe when I was younger they just had a simple horn they used to get people out of the way.
Due to the length of time that the voice has been used, I'm wondering if it can be claimed under "adverse possession" such as in the case of real estate. If that is the case then her claim will be dismissed and the Tram Car owners will then have legal possession of the voice and phrase.
All things considered she should get something out of it. It is her voice after all and I’ll bet my life that not one person commenting on this video works for free so despite her doing this decades ago, she’s still entitled to something. Whatever the outcome, and I agree with Joey, it’ll be wiped, I'm grateful my family and I spent summers in WW hearing her iconic catch phrase broadcast up and down the boardwalk as well as owning several toys bearing the same thing (eBay here I come :). It was cool while it lasted and I’m curious see what summer of 2025 brings us.
So I Have A Couple Of Questions 1. Why Is She Trying To Sue Now 2.So Now They Will Just Throw Out All The Toys That's Not Really Fair 3. Im Sure Some One Will Record The Voice For Them To Use 4. Is She Even Going To Have A Case Because This Is Almost 54 Years Later
if there was no contract signed in 1974, Floss has no case. This will be thrown out of court during pretrial motions. And I predict her voice stays on the Tram and all products. Once she loses everything goes back to normal.
That is weird in the boardwalk movies she did not want to get paid and was happy to. She worked for a telephone company and she did it during her lunch hour. There is writer to the phrase that she read so she doesn't own the phrase that was written by someone else, only her voice was used. I would love to have my voice to help.
Vincent Price only made a few thousand for his voice on Thriller, Phil Rizzuto got a little over $1,000 for being on Paradise By The Dashboard Light by Meatloaf. The boy singers on a Charlie Brown Christmas got less than $1,000 - this lady is not really due as much as she might think if she had signed a contract back in 1971 or so - family members must be putting her up to this. Joey what plush animal do you think your voice might be used for?
Vincent Price was given the choice of a flat voice-over fee or a percentage of the sales. Who could have known Thriller would be so popular. I think she has a case against the toy manufacturer for some compensation but she will get very little from the tram car owners. Like Vincent Price, she would probably be entitled to compensation for the original recording, but not much after that. The tram car owners are not marketing the use of the tram car based on her voice. Her statement is used as a safety warning to the general public. Joey is correct in that based on the lawsuit being filed, anyone using her version will remove it and it will never be heard again except in people's videos where a tram car was passing by. It can be replaced by AI. But I will bet that it will be a female voice. Why do you think we have Siri and Alexa?
@@Tcrow2001 The vocalist on Pink Floyd's "The Great Gig in the Sky", Clare Torry, was paid a standard session singer fee of £30 for her contribution, which is considered one of the lowest paid iconic vocal performances in music history; equivalent to around £500 in today's money.
Not licensed in NJ, but an attorney, so. . . There's a concept in the common law called "laches" (pronounced "latches"), which states that a plaintiff can't recover if they wait too long to make their claim. And you can also give up your rights by making statements or actions contrary to your exclusive ownership ("waiver"). On the other hand, if I give you permission to use my driveway to get to your house, I am not also giving you the right to use my land to hold a circus. Joey's right, this will be interesting.
A lot of people ask why she waited so long. It likely has to do with the recent increased use of her voice. First the Tram Car ride and more important all the tram car plush toys. I think that is what drove her to this. Probably would have let the Tram Car ride slide but voice in all the plush crap is going overboard. She’ll probably win this fairly easily.
Excellent reporting. Suing everyone is an unfortunate legal strategy. Each party will have to come forward and argue a reason to be removed from the suit. She should be compensated. Arriving at a dollar figure will be the tricky part. Ms. Stingel and her attorneys are most likely seeking a settlement. Her voice will be removed going forward if they cannot reach a licensing agreement. Low probability outcome: She likes the offer for past compensation and future royalties and agrees to be an "ambassador" for the tram car and other parties using her voice.
She probably watched the 1987 film, "Wall Street," and she heard Michael Douglas say, "GREED is GOOD," and she took it personally. Plus, the voice is on the adorable tramcar stuffies and the seagull eating the tramcar plushies. Oh yeah, the cheap toy tramcar, too. I know about it since I would go down there every year since my birth in 2003... (except for 2020 and 2021). The car itself is a copyrighted work, but not the voice or sound mark (jingles or logo themes, or fanfares in 20th's case). So, the girl LOST my bet. Greets from Salem.
Sorry for commenting again, but someone I was talking to about this point it out to me that she’s also getting up there in age… Maybe a family member or someone similarly close is doing this on her behalf, or possibly evencoercing her into this? It kind of sounds crazy, but also would make sense when you consider all the interviews. She’s done and stuff like that.
I think it’s sad. The tram car with any other voice won’t be the same. Why would she do this after all these years. It looks like someone influenced her. What a terrible example of the times that we live in. Nothing is sacred.
Who decided to file a lawsuit??? Was talked into it by someone else who can make a profit? Family? I can imagine that she is in her 80’s. Get a good judge to pull apart this lawsuit and then decide who or anyone is entitled to any of the money she could possibly garner from this lawsuit. Would miss the logo ‘ WATCH THE TRAMCAR PLEASE’ Please settle this dispute amicably. 😮
This is terrible someone took advantage of her how can you sue when your at the tram car store grand opening what did you thing that were selling this should be tossed out of court sorry for her legacy tho
After 54 years she does not like it? Well, she KNEW for 54 years. Someone put this in her ear. I think this is crazy. Joey you make a recording. Tram car is coming, move away please.
Seconded. Her recording of "Watch the tram car, please" is a big part of what makes Wildwood, Wildwood. It has become something much bigger than what it was originally recorded for... and the city should pay her for its continued use in tram cars, advertising, toys, rides, etc. The city should make a one-time payment for perpetual rights to her recording -- along with the right to grant its usage to various merchandisers.
Would be a SHAME if that recording was never used again....been going to Wildwood for 40 years....my son since the year he was born....sooooo sad..........
I think after 54 years she doesn’t have a case to be compensated. However, she can probably get them to no longer use her message. They can simply make a new recording with a different person.
Why did it take her FIFTY years plus to all of a sudden decide this playing of her voice was wrong and offensive to her? I think some lawyer gave her this idea so that she can be assured of a financially comfortable future. This is the most absurd situation I have ever heard!
I would guess that this is not really a decision she is making on her own. Influenced or manipulated by others seems likely to me. At least I sure hope so.
There were definitely outside forces involved in this. Is this a frivolous lawsuit? Could be construed as that. Then again, she hasn't been financially compensated for her voice usage that the city of Wildwood and it's merchants have profited from. Like someone else commented, she may be in financial distress and some well meaning acquaintances have been advising her.
I think that because she had no contract for compensation for doing the recording, she is just out of luck there. She has the right to enter into a contract going forward, but I suspect the owners to just go with an AI voice from here on out.
If it has no value.....quit using it! It clearly has value or they wouldn't have used it since the 70's. I personally think she should be compensated. Don't like the laws, change them!
Wow, I did not hear about this, a little silly if you ask me. A part of me thinks that, and the other part of me thinks that it all sort of makes sense. Thanks for this video! Hopefully they don’t change the voice out next year For something new.
@@WildwoodVideoArchive just finished the video. Now I mostly think it’s just ridiculous. Haha. Really hoping this doesn’t go anywhere like you said at the end. Especially with all the interviews she’s done saying how happy she was to do it for whatever company owned it back then. You also made a great point in that trying to get money going all the way back to the 1970s is going to be extremely difficult or in my words nearly impossible. I just hope they keep her voice on the train cars and that the whole thing is thrown out but I understand that’s probably not very likely at this point.
Just a lawyer get rich scam, she had 50 years to to file a complaint and did nothing. Now she will go down in history. Very disappointed in her. AI can replace her voice, easy as apple pie 🥧
Wow. Some slick lawyer got a hold of her to do this. If someone else records the phrase to put in the tram cars, will she then say the "phrase" is hers? Did she ever sign a contract or even work for the tram car company? The settlement will be out of court for about half of what she's asking for, and her slick lawyer will get about half of that. Only because the entities she is suing don't want to bother paying their lawyers. Thanks for ruining an icon in Wildwood for generations for your little bit of compensation. You should feel proud. Not only for stopping the voice, but maybe even bankrupting the tram car itself. One side note...I'm with you, maybe selling toys with your voice on it is shady. OK that I can see maybe going after them, but really, the historical society too? Really??
Sad, but I understand suing for the merchandise and Morey ride. I was disappointed as a kid when I got my toy tram and it wasn’t her voice but turns out there’s a big reason for it.
This lawyer got into her ear and said heyyyy you can make some money. Now that said there is a store using her voice in merchandise they are selling. It’s been a long time but sadly her voice will now be gone that’s for sure
I used to work with personal injury lawyers in Brooklyn, NY. Believe you me, some lawyer was probably eyeing this potential lawsuit for years. From their Machiavellian viewpoint, this lawsuit is a no-brainer slam dunk, guaranteed! But so sad to see another Wildwood tradition bite the dust.
@@ChrisGenovese_NewJersey Well if she unfortunately signed away her rights then that could be that... as you'd guess, entertainment industry contracts these days are all rights now known and including for all avenues of exploitation created in the future. We shall see. I don't begrudge her being paid or pursuing a suit if she is in fact owed money.
Frivolous lawsuit. A judge needs to throw this out. Waiting 54 years? Seriously? If she wanted to be compensated for the message, she should've said something years ago. She was talked into this by someone looking for financial gain. The new tram car owners wouldn't have known anything about her or her voice being used. Waiting this many years after the use began, to file a lawsuit wasn't doing her due diligence, and at this point, I'd say the intent is malicious. Her voice will be removed, if it hasnt already. Her lawyers are casting a wide net, in the hopes of scoring a major settlement. At this point, I'd say the only compensation she should be entitled to is from whatever toys atre using her voice. Period.
Yea, no. They aren’t making money there my friend. They have 60 employees working at 15 min wage. Between rent, insurance and maintenance on 90 year old gear, they aren’t making much
@@patburke1961 not at all. It costs a ton of money to keep those almost 100-year-old machines going. For example, each tramcar has about 10 of those Duralast batterys. They run about $250, For 10 trams. Those have to be replaced constantly. It takes 60 people to run those tramcars a year at $15 an hour. That is 900 an hour or about 9,000 a day. Then add in insurance, maintenance, and electric bills (which is a fortune as you know from all of the ACE bills this past summer). The one thing the lawsuit gets wrong is that they said they made 2.5 million a year. The lawyers based that on the avg that the tramcar sees 500,000 a year. But what that number didn't put into account is that everyone with a wristband rides the tramcar for free until 5pm. Which would mostly remove half of those numbers, so say 250K riders or $1.25 Mill. If you account for payroll alone, for 90 days (June, July, August) you are looking at a payroll of $810,000 a summer. Now add in insurance, maintenance, batteries...etc. So no my friend, pretty straight forward. We are lucky they are still running since back in 2003 the guy who owned them was going to sell them off and luckily someone stepped in to save them .
I think the issue is the plush with the sound being sold and a profit being made off of that, I doubt the issue is the actual tram car themselves , it’s gotta be the merch
I swear I remember hearing "Watch the car please" when we went down every summer in the mid 60's. Not tram car, just car. Oh, and it was 25 cents to ride.
Its a shame to loose that classic voice for the tram car. Maybe it just reached a tipping point with all the merch, I dunno. Either way I feel like its a loose loose for both NJ and her.
I never liked the voice anyway. It always sounded like she said TRAIN car. If I listen hard I can hear TRAIM Car. I can never hear that short A sound. I hope the next lady has better pronunciation
To me, there's two parts to this...The first part, just the use of her voice for the tram car, no one's making money off of that, so she's got no standing there. However, when they start using her voice as a way so sell toys and merchandise, and making a profit off of it, that's where I feel she has a case. It's similar to the NIL situation with college athletes. for years, their name, image and likeness were used for the schools to make millions with the athletes getting anything for it. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the athletes. It may not be the same exact thing, but kind of related, so I think she's due a piece of the profits from the merchandise that's been sold.
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Basically a lawyer got hold of an old woman & convinced her she needed to sue. NJ is a pure litigation state.
yup i agree
There's an old joke that goes "The true definition of a tragedy is a bus load of lawyers going off a cliff and there's one empty seat."
and knowing this state she would probably win
I would agree with you.
At the time she recorded it for use by the tram on the boardwalk. Once it was used for merchandising and promotions, she should have been compensated. Someone is making money off what she created, and she should be also.
I agree. The recording is being used for things beyond the original use.
There's only one viable solution. Replace her voice with Joey's voice. (No compensation!)
I agree!
Yess 💯
"Watch the tramcar please! And get yourself a bucket of our sponsor Clusters Handmade Popcor-"
The irony of this wound be... Joey's "competitor" in Wildwood is the Watch the Tramcar website... So I would love it if his voice was saying that famous slogan up and down the boardwalk!
Pretty ridiculous...agree, badge of honor...her bottom feeder attorney will get 35 % and her legacy swept under the rug...shame.
The family should be embarrassed for bringing this lawsuit forward. In today’s world they could just Ai generate her voice and call it a day. What a way to ruin a legacy.
She was literally at the ribbon cutting for the Tramcar Store! Did she forget?! 😂
Beat me to it
And she was at the ribbon cutting for The Run Away Tram ride on Moreys Piers. I believe she was one of the first to officially ride it. She didn’t have a problem then?
Sounds like someone in her family heard the ringing of a cash register.
That’s an idea, have an open audition for a new voice. The best 10 people gets a prize and used for a summer. Could be something new every summer.
If, her voice is being used ANYWHERE other than the tram car, she should be entitled to compensation.
I totally agree
Agreed
@@bcooper153 what is in the contract?
@@bcooper153 Also contracts expire and its a long time from 1974
well they made a whole tram car store so yeah they are making money off it
Her grandson or great grandson must’ve just graduated law school and looking for his first case . Absolutely ridiculous she recorded it if her own free will knowing it was going to be used for the Tram car. Disappointing to say the least ! Everyone is Sue happy 😡
50+ years.. that makes her in her 70's. sounds like family members need cash. she didn't wake up one day and decide to do this. this is wrong on so many levels. I've got attorney should ask the first question why now?
I'd glady record my voice for the new recording 😊
Get in line :-)
@@WildwoodVideoArchiveme to but from the beginning it should of been compensated why wait over 20 plus years makes no sense to me
With all due respect to her, please drop this lawsuit. Your voice is connected to the tramcar and is historic. I will genuinely miss it😢
Arnold needs to be the new voice.
WATCH DA TRAM CAHHH! PLEASE!!!
You do the voice Joey
I'm disappointed that she's suing the museum, you're right it's a non-profit and shame on her for suing the museum.
I don’t think that they are going to change it she should be glad that her vice is history. Hopefully they don’t change that’s one of my favorite things to hear when I walk on the boardwalk.
I am not a lawyer, but I think she has nissed the tram car!!! She should get over whatever is bugging her and concede that she donated to a public service.
I doubt this was her idea, most likely some shyster lawyer said we can sue these people and make lots of money!!!!
The fact that she’s deciding to sue 54 YEARS LATER is absolutely ridiculous… I understand needing consent, because Wildwood is making money off of her voice without her making any money. I have been going to Wildwood every year since I was 3-years old in 2009, and “Watch the tramcar, please.” is in my heart. Like you said, we all know that it’s one of the most memorable sounds of the Wildwoods.
She didn't copyright it, she has no legal standing. Case is gonna be thrown out or settled privately
Why did she wait 54years? And who’s being sued makes no sense to me. I’m taken back by this whole thing. Very sad. Hope she comes to her senses. I vote for Gig & you, Joey for new voices if hers is pulled!! 😊 Why can’t we have 2 great voices?
So what…. She wants a little for her voice. Her voice is wildwood. Period. She will win
Bc she's a senior citizen and with inflation? She needs cash.....sad but likely true
@@bordereau1Could be she has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal, and her family is trolling for a payday before she shuffles off.
Certainly she should be compensated. I can't believe she wasn't getting compensated all these years. Everyone else connected with the tram car and Wildwood is getting a piece of the pie , it's absurd she wasn't getting compensated from the beginning
I vote for Joey to record the new “watch the tram car please”!
Why now after all these years?! This is ridiculous! Her voice will be removed and they'll settle out of court and give her something to make this go away.
Lifetime rides on the Tran Car!
She performed a job and very well could have been compensated in other ways. It doesn't matter, this is RUINING FOR EVERYONE !!!! Nice legacy !!! I've said too much, I'm too angry. Joey, please keep us up to date. Thanks -
The Brady Bunch children currently get no royalties for repeats - life was different back then
In 2005, Matthew Fisher who was the organist with Procol Harum, sued Gary Brooker who wrote the music for Whiter Shade of Pale. Fisher wanted 50% of the music copyright for the song because of his iconic, melodic organ playing which propelled the song. He won the lawsuit in 2006. The song was written in 1967. It just makes you wonder why there was a decades-long silence about the issue.
If you look at songs that go public domain - copywrited songs go public after 50-75 years after authors death - songs may go public domain sooner if there is no copyright - I think that her recording falls under this category - someone fact check me on this please
It’s possible we don’t have the full story here….. but I do feel she should be compensated for the a portion of past 50 years….especially now that her voice is used (recordings) in the sales of toys etc……. Not a frivolous lawsuit IMO…. Definitely an interesting one to watch.
All these businesses “using her voice” NEVER investigated the legalities of using Floss’s voice for the past 54 yrs……?!
Maybe it is time for a new phrase for the tramcar. Something like "Outta the way, I'm drivin' here!"
This makes me so sad, that phrase and voice is historic and a memory of so many that walk that iconic boardwalk. I immediately smile when I hear that phrase and wait to hear it while entering the boardwalk for the season. It’s not wildwood without it.
I think Wildwood peaked in the 70's. You still had the Fun Pier, Hunts Pier, a movie theater on the boardwalk, Zaberers, the Dracula's Castle was built. I believe the Punk Flamingo was still running. And now today we will be stripped of another memory. I am so glad I was in the Wildwoods in those days of gone I can cherish the memories of everything that once was. Even driving around was so cool because of all the neon signs from all the hotels that are also gone. Unfortunately this is probably the last year we have heard the tramcar signature. Leave it to merchandising to leave this behind in our memories.
Does anyone else remember the Shell Shop in North Wildwood? And Zaberer's Home of the Zaberized Cocktail? The old fishing shacks along 147? Jim's Clam Bar?
I am not a lawyer but I always thought if something like a recording was never copyrighted after so many years it would be considered public domain. Just like many really old records that originally had copyrights become usable by anyone after so many years of copyright protection. Since she never asked for compensation from the original operators of the Tram Car so I do not feel she has any rights now against anyone using the voice. I am also surprised that the existing owners or some previous operator never copyrighted even the phrase “ Watch the Tram Car, Watch the Tram Car please!” That would protect Wildwood from any other possible tram car operator from using the phrase. You asked what the Tram car used years be for they used the voice. I am 71 years old and I believe when I was younger they just had a simple horn they used to get people out of the way.
Due to the length of time that the voice has been used, I'm wondering if it can be claimed under "adverse possession" such as in the case of real estate. If that is the case then her claim will be dismissed and the Tram Car owners will then have legal possession of the voice and phrase.
Interesting point
All things considered she should get something out of it. It is her voice after all and I’ll bet my life that not one person commenting on this video works for free so despite her doing this decades ago, she’s still entitled to something. Whatever the outcome, and I agree with Joey, it’ll be wiped, I'm grateful my family and I spent summers in WW hearing her iconic catch phrase broadcast up and down the boardwalk as well as owning several toys bearing the same thing (eBay here I come :). It was cool while it lasted and I’m curious see what summer of 2025 brings us.
Many people work for free. All this is, is just a lawyer & an old woman throwing a Hail Mary for a payoff
So I Have A Couple Of Questions 1. Why Is She Trying To Sue Now 2.So Now They Will Just Throw Out All The Toys That's Not Really Fair 3. Im Sure Some One Will Record The Voice For Them To Use 4. Is She Even Going To Have A Case Because This Is Almost 54 Years Later
if there was no contract signed in 1974, Floss has no case. This will be thrown out of court during pretrial motions. And I predict her voice stays on the Tram and all products. Once she loses everything goes back to normal.
This is just sad. Why after all these years this is happening. I doesn't make sense.
the reason starts with an "L" and ends with an "awyers"
Someone probably said to her, "you know, they're making money using your voice but you're not getting anything from it... you should sue".
Eh, times are hard and inflation is hitting people even harder. Who knows what her financial situation she's in.
My voice lol! Anyway this is crazy. I have seen many videos of her being happy about her voice being used.
That is weird in the boardwalk movies she did not want to get paid and was happy to. She worked for a telephone company and she did it during her lunch hour. There is writer to the phrase that she read so she doesn't own the phrase that was written by someone else, only her voice was used.
I would love to have my voice to help.
Vincent Price only made a few thousand for his voice on Thriller, Phil Rizzuto got a little over $1,000 for being on Paradise By The Dashboard Light by Meatloaf. The boy singers on a Charlie Brown Christmas got less than $1,000 - this lady is not really due as much as she might think if she had signed a contract back in 1971 or so - family members must be putting her up to this. Joey what plush animal do you think your voice might be used for?
Vincent Price was given the choice of a flat voice-over fee or a percentage of the sales. Who could have known Thriller would be so popular.
I think she has a case against the toy manufacturer for some compensation but she will get very little from the tram car owners. Like Vincent Price, she would probably be entitled to compensation for the original recording, but not much after that. The tram car owners are not marketing the use of the tram car based on her voice. Her statement is used as a safety warning to the general public. Joey is correct in that based on the lawsuit being filed, anyone using her version will remove it and it will never be heard again except in people's videos where a tram car was passing by. It can be replaced by AI. But I will bet that it will be a female voice. Why do you think we have Siri and Alexa?
@@Tcrow2001 The vocalist on Pink Floyd's "The Great Gig in the Sky", Clare Torry, was paid a standard session singer fee of £30 for her contribution, which is considered one of the lowest paid iconic vocal performances in music history; equivalent to around £500 in today's money.
Not licensed in NJ, but an attorney, so. . . There's a concept in the common law called "laches" (pronounced "latches"), which states that a plaintiff can't recover if they wait too long to make their claim. And you can also give up your rights by making statements or actions contrary to your exclusive ownership ("waiver").
On the other hand, if I give you permission to use my driveway to get to your house, I am not also giving you the right to use my land to hold a circus.
Joey's right, this will be interesting.
the circus analogy is perfect!
A lot of people ask why she waited so long. It likely has to do with the recent increased use of her voice. First the Tram Car ride and more important all the tram car plush toys. I think that is what drove her to this. Probably would have let the Tram Car ride slide but voice in all the plush crap is going overboard. She’ll probably win this fairly easily.
Excellent reporting. Suing everyone is an unfortunate legal strategy. Each party will have to come forward and argue a reason to be removed from the suit. She should be compensated. Arriving at a dollar figure will be the tricky part. Ms. Stingel and her attorneys are most likely seeking a settlement. Her voice will be removed going forward if they cannot reach a licensing agreement. Low probability outcome: She likes the offer for past compensation and future royalties and agrees to be an "ambassador" for the tram car and other parties using her voice.
I hope they can agree together. This voice brings so much good memories every time I ear it. That is sad.
Voice is annoying anyway... She was literally at the ribbon cutting for the tram car store. Smh
she gave her voice to the tram car company for free, they own her voice. if anyone else uses her voice they need permission from the tram car company.
I have a hard time believing that the tramcar doesn’t make money !
Me too!!!
Wow! After all these years? How mean. & greedy. She should be honored.
Replace her voice with yours!!!
She probably watched the 1987 film, "Wall Street," and she heard Michael Douglas say, "GREED is GOOD," and she took it personally. Plus, the voice is on the adorable tramcar stuffies and the seagull eating the tramcar plushies. Oh yeah, the cheap toy tramcar, too. I know about it since I would go down there every year since my birth in 2003... (except for 2020 and 2021). The car itself is a copyrighted work, but not the voice or sound mark (jingles or logo themes, or fanfares in 20th's case). So, the girl LOST my bet. Greets from Salem.
Sorry for commenting again, but someone I was talking to about this point it out to me that she’s also getting up there in age… Maybe a family member or someone similarly close is doing this on her behalf, or possibly evencoercing her into this? It kind of sounds crazy, but also would make sense when you consider all the interviews. She’s done and stuff like that.
This is probably gonna kill the tram car if this lawsuit goes in the voice persons favor.
If that’s the case that’s heartbreaking.
Did the recording A long long time ago and now she has a problem?, please....😂
I think it’s sad. The tram car with any other voice won’t be the same. Why would she do this after all these years. It looks like someone influenced her. What a terrible example of the times that we live in. Nothing is sacred.
Who decided to file a lawsuit??? Was talked into it by someone else who can make a profit? Family? I can imagine that she is in her 80’s. Get a good judge to pull apart this lawsuit and then decide who or anyone is entitled to any of the money she could possibly garner from this lawsuit. Would miss the logo ‘ WATCH THE TRAMCAR PLEASE’
Please settle this dispute amicably. 😮
With my best Italian voice ...oh watch the tramcar
This is terrible someone took advantage of her how can you sue when your at the tram car store grand opening what did you thing that were selling this should be tossed out of court sorry for her legacy tho
After 54 years she does not like it? Well, she KNEW for 54 years. Someone put this in her ear. I think this is crazy. Joey you make a recording. Tram car is coming, move away please.
Give her something ($150k) and buy her rights to the voice making the statement watch the tram car please and keep it as is.
Seconded. Her recording of "Watch the tram car, please" is a big part of what makes Wildwood, Wildwood. It has become something much bigger than what it was originally recorded for... and the city should pay her for its continued use in tram cars, advertising, toys, rides, etc. The city should make a one-time payment for perpetual rights to her recording -- along with the right to grant its usage to various merchandisers.
Everyone looking to the courts for an easy payday
Would be a SHAME if that recording was never used again....been going to Wildwood for 40 years....my son since the year he was born....sooooo sad..........
I think after 54 years she doesn’t have a case to be compensated. However, she can probably get them to no longer use her message. They can simply make a new recording with a different person.
Why did it take her FIFTY years plus to all of a sudden decide this playing of her voice was wrong and offensive to her? I think some lawyer gave her this idea so that she can be assured of a financially comfortable future. This is the most absurd situation I have ever heard!
I would guess that this is not really a decision she is making on her own. Influenced or manipulated by others seems likely to me. At least I sure hope so.
Sad, and sad for Wildwood history 😔
54 years! Why the hell would she wait so long? This is a rediculous cash grab!
There were definitely outside forces involved in this. Is this a frivolous lawsuit? Could be construed as that. Then again, she hasn't been financially compensated for her voice usage that the city of Wildwood and it's merchants have profited from. Like someone else commented, she may be in financial distress and some well meaning acquaintances have been advising her.
Law suite is crazy
I think that because she had no contract for compensation for doing the recording, she is just out of luck there. She has the right to enter into a contract going forward, but I suspect the owners to just go with an AI voice from here on out.
Whether the suit is valid or not. I am sorry, because the only outcome here is we will get a "new' voice of the tram car :(.
100% it should stay the same voice watch the tram car please I used to listen to that when I was 30 years younger
If it has no value.....quit using it!
It clearly has value or they wouldn't have used it since the 70's.
I personally think she should be compensated.
Don't like the laws, change them!
Wow, I did not hear about this, a little silly if you ask me. A part of me thinks that, and the other part of me thinks that it all sort of makes sense. Thanks for this video! Hopefully they don’t change the voice out next year For something new.
Most likely it’s going to be changed out
@@WildwoodVideoArchive just finished the video. Now I mostly think it’s just ridiculous. Haha. Really hoping this doesn’t go anywhere like you said at the end. Especially with all the interviews she’s done saying how happy she was to do it for whatever company owned it back then.
You also made a great point in that trying to get money going all the way back to the 1970s is going to be extremely difficult or in my words nearly impossible. I just hope they keep her voice on the train cars and that the whole thing is thrown out but I understand that’s probably not very likely at this point.
“Watch the tram car please” is my ringtone and has been for a few years now…… I believe I paid $1.99 for it….sincerely hope she gets her cut of the $.
The lawsuit is going to get thrown out
How old is this lady plus it's probably grandchildren or great grandchildren who are looking for money
They should find a bunch of Wildwood-loving celebrities to record the phrase and replace her voice with that.
They should pay her.
Her family wants a big inheritance !!
Just a lawyer get rich scam, she had 50 years
to to file a complaint and did nothing.
Now she will go down in history. Very disappointed in her. AI can replace her voice, easy as apple pie 🥧
I will happily make the new recording and sign a legal paper that I will never require compensation.
Wow. Some slick lawyer got a hold of her to do this.
If someone else records the phrase to put in the tram cars, will she then say the "phrase" is hers?
Did she ever sign a contract or even work for the tram car company?
The settlement will be out of court for about half of what she's asking for, and her slick lawyer will get about half of that.
Only because the entities she is suing don't want to bother paying their lawyers.
Thanks for ruining an icon in Wildwood for generations for your little bit of compensation. You should feel proud.
Not only for stopping the voice, but maybe even bankrupting the tram car itself.
One side note...I'm with you, maybe selling toys with your voice on it is shady. OK that I can see maybe going after them, but really, the historical society too? Really??
So when do the counter suits start
Take your tramcar shirts out of your store before she comes after you😂 Thanks for the great video!
get the Polish Water Ice guy to do the voice
volunteer to record your voice to use instead!
Heard about this on the radio this mornin!!
I worked on the tram car this past summer.her voice is an iconic symbol of the Tram car...maybe work out deal...but keep the voice!
Sad, but I understand suing for the merchandise and Morey ride. I was disappointed as a kid when I got my toy tram and it wasn’t her voice but turns out there’s a big reason for it.
This lawyer got into her ear and said heyyyy you can make some money. Now that said there is a store using her voice in merchandise they are selling. It’s been a long time but sadly her voice will now be gone that’s for sure
I used to work with personal injury lawyers in Brooklyn, NY. Believe you me, some lawyer was probably eyeing this potential lawsuit for years. From their Machiavellian viewpoint, this lawsuit is a no-brainer slam dunk, guaranteed! But so sad to see another Wildwood tradition bite the dust.
All depends on whether there was a contract, even short one, and what was in it. No contract would be a different matter...
Totally agree. She will get paid….as well she should
@@ChrisGenovese_NewJersey Well if she unfortunately signed away her rights then that could be that... as you'd guess, entertainment industry contracts these days are all rights now known and including for all avenues of exploitation created in the future. We shall see. I don't begrudge her being paid or pursuing a suit if she is in fact owed money.
Frivolous lawsuit. A judge needs to throw this out. Waiting 54 years? Seriously? If she wanted to be compensated for the message, she should've said something years ago. She was talked into this by someone looking for financial gain. The new tram car owners wouldn't have known anything about her or her voice being used. Waiting this many years after the use began, to file a lawsuit wasn't doing her due diligence, and at this point, I'd say the intent is malicious. Her voice will be removed, if it hasnt already. Her lawyers are casting a wide net, in the hopes of scoring a major settlement. At this point, I'd say the only compensation she should be entitled to is from whatever toys atre using her voice. Period.
The new tram car store opens up. And uses her voice….no….she should be compensated
After All This Time, Why Now??????🤔
i think that operating the tram car is a license to print money ! i'd love to see their budget, def a lot of graft and nepotism !
Yea, no. They aren’t making money there my friend. They have 60 employees working at 15 min wage. Between rent, insurance and maintenance on 90 year old gear, they aren’t making much
@@WildwoodVideoArchive poor management, open the books !
@@patburke1961 not at all. It costs a ton of money to keep those almost 100-year-old machines going. For example, each tramcar has about 10 of those Duralast batterys. They run about $250, For 10 trams. Those have to be replaced constantly. It takes 60 people to run those tramcars a year at $15 an hour. That is 900 an hour or about 9,000 a day. Then add in insurance, maintenance, and electric bills (which is a fortune as you know from all of the ACE bills this past summer).
The one thing the lawsuit gets wrong is that they said they made 2.5 million a year. The lawyers based that on the avg that the tramcar sees 500,000 a year. But what that number didn't put into account is that everyone with a wristband rides the tramcar for free until 5pm. Which would mostly remove half of those numbers, so say 250K riders or $1.25 Mill.
If you account for payroll alone, for 90 days (June, July, August) you are looking at a payroll of $810,000 a summer. Now add in insurance, maintenance, batteries...etc.
So no my friend, pretty straight forward. We are lucky they are still running since back in 2003 the guy who owned them was going to sell them off and luckily someone stepped in to save them .
I think the issue is the plush with the sound being sold and a profit being made off of that, I doubt the issue is the actual tram car themselves , it’s gotta be the merch
I swear I remember hearing "Watch the car please" when we went down every summer in the mid 60's. Not tram car, just car. Oh, and it was 25 cents to ride.
Yes, I remember that. The drivers used to yell it.
Its a shame to loose that classic voice for the tram car.
Maybe it just reached a tipping point with all the merch, I dunno.
Either way I feel like its a loose loose for both NJ and her.
I never liked the voice anyway. It always sounded like she said TRAIN car. If I listen hard I can hear TRAIM Car. I can never hear that short A sound. I hope the next lady has better pronunciation
To me, there's two parts to this...The first part, just the use of her voice for the tram car, no one's making money off of that, so she's got no standing there.
However, when they start using her voice as a way so sell toys and merchandise, and making a profit off of it, that's where I feel she has a case.
It's similar to the NIL situation with college athletes. for years, their name, image and likeness were used for the schools to make millions with the athletes getting anything for it. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the athletes. It may not be the same exact thing, but kind of related, so I think she's due a piece of the profits from the merchandise that's been sold.
Well Joey maybe it's time for your voice to be the voice of the tram car! Everyone loves you and is getting used to you!