@couldnt.really.say. he has plenty of macs from the 90's, I've been watching for a long time, never get bored, maybe you're looking for something without an Apple badge on it? Like LGR?
The issue with your gpu is that you might be using the legacy branch of the radeon driver you could try making a conf file in the X11 folder to tell the kernel load the amdgpu driver instead but that would depend on if that gpu is compatible with the amdgpu driver which it might not be since it's an older amd graphics card the archwiki has all the info about this and most of what is listed on that wiki works on other distros as well
That gpu is way to old for amdgpu, it uses the radeon driver, amdgpu only supports GCN 1.0 and newer gpus (e.g many radeon HD 7000 series) which are like 8 years newer. It is barely new enough to be still supported by up to date mesa though and it's worth installing a very up to date version of mesa if possible as there is actually passionate guy working on improving r300 driver for these very old radeon cards. (THe pre-dx9 ati cards are not and only supported by the buggy mesa-amber legacy branch so don't work nearly as well on modern linux for anything graphics acceleration)
Regarding package issues, you had 30 not upgraded packages in one screen. Maybe a apt full-upgrade could have helped. Probably the package you wanted to install just needed the new versions of libraries that weren't updated yet.. Just a wild guess
First: Casey rocks. This is a great service to the PPC community. Secondly, it would be great if Fienix offered some NVIDIA proprietary drivers (or if the development environment worked so that drivers could be installed manually). Nouveau doesn't quite do it for most Mac compatible cards.
Thanks for the video! I have a G4 iMac I need to replace the HDD in and I couldn’t decide if I wanted to go with old Mac OS or try PPC Linux. This distro looks great for making an old desktop marginally useful 20 years later.
We Powermac users need new options in keeping old hardware up and running. Glad to see at least one more great option still out there. Thanks Sean for sharing this with us. Keep the great video's coming.
I got that exact model for free from a trash pile on the side of the road. Almost none of the distros I’ve tried, other than one specific Ubuntu release have worked, so I guess now I know what I should put on it
I know you won't answer as usual, but I'm glad you gave space to this beautiful distro. I have used it for almost a year on my G5 dual 4gb ram, and I must say that as an experience it is certainly more refined than debian vanilla. That said, there are many issues that have prevented me from fully enjoying it as an office workstation. First of all, DE cinnamon is very slow, and honestly this affects the experience. Then, I was absolutely unable to get the digital signature I need to work (Arubakey) to work. It's just a shame.
Nice. FYI. Debian Linux has install media and up to date repositories for power pc available, and still maintained. It is not officially supported by debian, but is in pretty good shape. There are iso images from few months ago, and new packages are automatically built contentiously. I just checked, and there are even reports of it working from few adys ago on mac G4 and mac G3. G5 should work too without an issue. Debian is actually way more modern than Fienix 6.0.1. Debian has absolutely bleeding edge kernel and packages, and gigantic repository of software available and working. Fienix actually appears to be Debian fork (I can see by installer, and other bits and pieces I see in the video), simply not updated for long time.
I have an iMac G5 A1058 17in version. I've been using it as a doorstop in my bathroom to prevent the door from blowing shut when the windows are open. Maybe I'll find a replacement doorstop for an afternoon lol.
2:13 Another distribution that supports PowerPC and an obscene amount of other CPU architectures and hardware is T2 SDE Linux. Quite unknown even though it has been here for decades, and it is still actively maintained.
teehee poor old Mac buckling under your pressure.. But I'm afraid it's plea for help will land on deaf ears as we love seeing you torture your old devices using any means possible. BWUHAHAHAaaaa
I bought an imac a1058 for $50 last week. It powers on but stays at the mac os 10 boot screen forever. Now I get to take it apart and spruce it up like you did this one. It's the 17" version, not 20" unfortunately but still something fun to play with.
I never had any luck with Fienix linux on any G4. Could never get it to install, but also never tired on a G5. I really think that one step in supporting these old machines is to get yaboot back. I definitely installed Debian Sid on my G4, and used EXT3 so I can run yaboot vs grub. It was a bit of work, but much better experience to not have to go to the boot picker to get to MacOs for troubleshooting. yaboot was simple, grub is clunky, unpolished, and hates MacOS. There is some code out there for yaboot and ext4, but I have no idea how to integrate it, and even if I did, I do not believe 100% of the source is available. I guess maybe the future should be getting grub to better support PPC MacOs. What i really do not get is the 7 small partitions it creates.
The problem with installing Java was that it was also going to install the latest trusted root certificates, but that package says it needs the Ubuntu-tweaked Java and you were installing regular Java. Which is super weird. Based on what I saw on your screen, the problem with installing build-essential is that the GNU compiler suite doesn't have a default PPC build anymore; you may need to use a different name to install it and then convince dpkg that that really is GCC, GPP, etc.
8:52 you should be able to use yt-dlp and any media player (i think? personally i use mpv) to play youtube videos as a stream without needing to download the video first. not sure how a powerpc will handle it, but it should be the most lightweight way to watch youtube if formats aren't an issue.
Hrm, Debian based Linux on G5. Just curious - does it support VA-API libs? Not necessarily on this iMac, may be on MacPro G5. Theoretically is there are proper GPU drivers with h264 video decode acceleration? Firefox can be forced to use vaapi for video decode In some... bizarre rig one may can even try Broadcom Crystall HD video decoder (if libs available today).
This is why my PPC Macs just run various versions of Mac OS. It's what they are best at / for, and I'm just glad to have old Macs that work at all. Good way to do some classic gaming and geekery.
I would assume that the Linux distros that still support PPC will also support the newer-ish Amigas from Acube or A-EON so thats useful too as AmigaOS is ?discontinued
Fienix still doesn't support the Radeon x1900 in my G5 quad. It does, however, "work" with Adelie... just needs some open firmware persuasion to get going.
A little heart broken, I looked up the system requirements, looks like my iMac g4 might be the oldest system that could run this that I have. I was hoping for my cube to work but its got an older GPU than the Geforce 4 which is unsupported.
Can you please tell me if there is any way to run Java 11 or higher on any PowerPC based Mac. I searched all over the internet and I couldn't find any solution.
One man’s e-waste is another man’s e-treasure
You should do a series of trying to run Minecraft on as many Macs as possible - see how many can!
Yeah a Mac LAN party would be fun to watch!
More like see what can't
That's literally just this channel though, he's tested Minecraft on pretty much anything that will run it
@@4ngeldus739 wish he did a little more then mac's tho, like to see how he can modernize an old 95 rig or something
@couldnt.really.say. he has plenty of macs from the 90's, I've been watching for a long time, never get bored, maybe you're looking for something without an Apple badge on it? Like LGR?
FEIN LINUX ? THATS WHAT AM TALKING ABOUT 🔥
Fein fein fein
@@couldnt.really.say. fin fin fin fin fin fin
@Xlib_2000 feiiinn feiin feeiin yeah
travis scott linux
Real
Eventually, it is the famous last word of people everywhere. But Fienix is what I'm going to to to my G5 Imac, eventually.
The issue with your gpu is that you might be using the legacy branch of the radeon driver
you could try making a conf file in the X11 folder to tell the kernel load the amdgpu driver instead but that would depend on if that gpu is compatible with the amdgpu driver which it might not be since it's an older amd graphics card
the archwiki has all the info about this and most of what is listed on that wiki works on other distros as well
That gpu is way to old for amdgpu, it uses the radeon driver, amdgpu only supports GCN 1.0 and newer gpus (e.g many radeon HD 7000 series) which are like 8 years newer. It is barely new enough to be still supported by up to date mesa though and it's worth installing a very up to date version of mesa if possible as there is actually passionate guy working on improving r300 driver for these very old radeon cards. (THe pre-dx9 ati cards are not and only supported by the buggy mesa-amber legacy branch so don't work nearly as well on modern linux for anything graphics acceleration)
Your channel is why I'm considering getting an older Power PC Mac....
Damned you sean! I don't have the money for this!
hah!
Start a gofund me . 😂
Love this channel. I have an old iMac G4 at home somewhere. Must give this distro a shot!
Regarding package issues, you had 30 not upgraded packages in one screen. Maybe a apt full-upgrade could have helped. Probably the package you wanted to install just needed the new versions of libraries that weren't updated yet.. Just a wild guess
I was thinking the same thing. Fienix seemed to be rolling, so if that's true, that is what you should be doing anyway.
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Hmm I'm liking the new series - hopefully that 4 GB stick arrrives soon!!
I have the exact same G5 iMac (had no idea it was rare, either) and so obviously I'm going to give Fienix a try, thanks
Me either I have the same machine too.
The real rate one is the version of this with the CF card reader.
@@Sparky400 mine has that too 👍
First: Casey rocks. This is a great service to the PPC community. Secondly, it would be great if Fienix offered some NVIDIA proprietary drivers (or if the development environment worked so that drivers could be installed manually). Nouveau doesn't quite do it for most Mac compatible cards.
I used to have this computer 😢 i wish i still had it
Thanks for the video! I have a G4 iMac I need to replace the HDD in and I couldn’t decide if I wanted to go with old Mac OS or try PPC Linux. This distro looks great for making an old desktop marginally useful 20 years later.
We Powermac users need new options in keeping old hardware up and running. Glad to see at least one more great option still out there. Thanks Sean for sharing this with us. Keep the great video's coming.
Really love those extremely deep bass "thuds" in the outro. They sound awesome on my speakers. oh yea!
Fein fein fein fein fein fein 🔥🔥
P.A. Semi's PWRficient G5 might've kept the G5 going in mobile form for a little longer, but it was too little too late in 2007
I got that exact model for free from a trash pile on the side of the road. Almost none of the distros I’ve tried, other than one specific Ubuntu release have worked, so I guess now I know what I should put on it
I want more Haiku videos :)
I know you won't answer as usual, but I'm glad you gave space to this beautiful distro. I have used it for almost a year on my G5 dual 4gb ram, and I must say that as an experience it is certainly more refined than debian vanilla. That said, there are many issues that have prevented me from fully enjoying it as an office workstation. First of all, DE cinnamon is very slow, and honestly this affects the experience. Then, I was absolutely unable to get the digital signature I need to work (Arubakey) to work. It's just a shame.
Nice job, as always!
6:13 Perfect time for a segue featuring a sponsor protecting you from getting on to phishing websites by mistyping the link. 😎
Crazy it's already been decades! Crazy!
Why does it seem that software back then was both easier and more "funner" to use?
I will keep my eye on this project because I also have this same computer that I would like to use to stream music !
How now, that's a screenshot of Gentoo on x86-64!
Nice. FYI. Debian Linux has install media and up to date repositories for power pc available, and still maintained. It is not officially supported by debian, but is in pretty good shape. There are iso images from few months ago, and new packages are automatically built contentiously. I just checked, and there are even reports of it working from few adys ago on mac G4 and mac G3. G5 should work too without an issue.
Debian is actually way more modern than Fienix 6.0.1. Debian has absolutely bleeding edge kernel and packages, and gigantic repository of software available and working.
Fienix actually appears to be Debian fork (I can see by installer, and other bits and pieces I see in the video), simply not updated for long time.
13:37 I love messing around with that kind of hardware. I used to have one of those but with the Core2 Duo not the Power PC processor.
I have an iMac G5 A1058 17in version. I've been using it as a doorstop in my bathroom to prevent the door from blowing shut when the windows are open. Maybe I'll find a replacement doorstop for an afternoon lol.
I'm always down for exploring Linux distros! I am crazy enough to daily drive Ubuntu Studio, after all...
T2 SDE Linux also supports PowerPC btw ;)
ah crap, there goes another weekend. going to have to try this 😂
Impressive what the Linux community brings to the table. 20 year old hardware still having life.
T2 still supports powerpc
and pretty much everything the kernel drops
I had a similar experience with Debian 12 PPC on my G4 PowerBook. So many packages missing...
Fein, Fein, Fein
A Blogspot site? It sounds so retro
It's kind of crazy that all intel macs are capable of running Windows 10
I have a g5 imac in my garage i use to keep inventory of all my crap. It couldnt play youtube videos a decade ago either.
This linux distro makes this computer actually very usable, i'm surprised!
Would be interesting to see if you can build Yocto images for these older PCs.
2:13 Another distribution that supports PowerPC and an obscene amount of other CPU architectures and hardware is T2 SDE Linux. Quite unknown even though it has been here for decades, and it is still actively maintained.
teehee poor old Mac buckling under your pressure.. But I'm afraid it's plea for help will land on deaf ears as we love seeing you torture your old devices using any means possible. BWUHAHAHAaaaa
here is some weird distros based on debian I've tried recently:
Antix, MX linux, and q4os.
I really do like the trinity desktop.
Intel also started innovating around the time too. The P3/P4 era was terrible. So the timing was right.
I wonder if this thing could run MorphOS? Now that would be really interesting... 😉
I bought an imac a1058 for $50 last week. It powers on but stays at the mac os 10 boot screen forever. Now I get to take it apart and spruce it up like you did this one. It's the 17" version, not 20" unfortunately but still something fun to play with.
nice
Yeah, I had a music teacher who got his G5 (a Mac Pro, but whatever) literally 1 month before Apple went Intel. Oh boy...
Nice
The 3D graphics are very fast at being wrong!
What is the magic tool he is using to download RUclips easily? Neat! Love this Linux, does it perform decent on g3 / g4?
mac86: all i see you do is install linux and make computers cry
I never had any luck with Fienix linux on any G4. Could never get it to install, but also never tired on a G5. I really think that one step in supporting these old machines is to get yaboot back. I definitely installed Debian Sid on my G4, and used EXT3 so I can run yaboot vs grub. It was a bit of work, but much better experience to not have to go to the boot picker to get to MacOs for troubleshooting. yaboot was simple, grub is clunky, unpolished, and hates MacOS. There is some code out there for yaboot and ext4, but I have no idea how to integrate it, and even if I did, I do not believe 100% of the source is available. I guess maybe the future should be getting grub to better support PPC MacOs. What i really do not get is the 7 small partitions it creates.
The problem with installing Java was that it was also going to install the latest trusted root certificates, but that package says it needs the Ubuntu-tweaked Java and you were installing regular Java. Which is super weird.
Based on what I saw on your screen, the problem with installing build-essential is that the GNU compiler suite doesn't have a default PPC build anymore; you may need to use a different name to install it and then convince dpkg that that really is GCC, GPP, etc.
I would redo the thermal paste immediately on any CPU like this one which probably is not being made anymore.
8:52 you should be able to use yt-dlp and any media player (i think? personally i use mpv) to play youtube videos as a stream without needing to download the video first. not sure how a powerpc will handle it, but it should be the most lightweight way to watch youtube if formats aren't an issue.
I thought Fienix was eol, and support/updates had stopped - at least that's how it was at the start of the year, has the situation changed now? :D
Hrm, Debian based Linux on G5. Just curious - does it support VA-API libs? Not necessarily on this iMac, may be on MacPro G5.
Theoretically is there are proper GPU drivers with h264 video decode acceleration? Firefox can be forced to use vaapi for video decode
In some... bizarre rig one may can even try Broadcom Crystall HD video decoder (if libs available today).
id love to have a g5 quad machine
The texture problem MAY be due to overheating GPU. You really should re-paste that computer.
I can't believe you sold your TAM for this.
This is why my PPC Macs just run various versions of Mac OS. It's what they are best at / for, and I'm just glad to have old Macs that work at all. Good way to do some classic gaming and geekery.
I'm surprised you haven't tried Minetest yet
I'm trying to install Java for totally normal reasons.
No, no sir, that's impossible.
*digs out G3 to daily drive*
Try with Java 17, it is LTS. 18 is not. Or even 23, it launched on September this year
Thank you.
I wonder if MorphOS could be persuaded to run on this machine?
You did not install those brocken fils when booted first time (firmware?)
I installed Fienix a year ago on my iMac G5. I think there was no arcticfox around then.
I would assume that the Linux distros that still support PPC will also support the newer-ish Amigas from Acube or A-EON so thats useful too as AmigaOS is ?discontinued
Do you know which distro would work best for the 2006 model core2duo 17’? It’d be awesome to be able to use mine again
When are you going to do the emac video that you was fixing
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How big is the Mac to Linux community?
Lets install haiku os to this imac. Maybe it works. After that Reactos . And then Serenity OS.
I had similar issues with this GPU back then, but on windows xp and Pentium 4. I don't know exactly what it is, maybe vram
I`s better install any old linux. just to see how it was, and how it could be if i had such piece of hardware
Fienix still doesn't support the Radeon x1900 in my G5 quad. It does, however, "work" with Adelie... just needs some open firmware persuasion to get going.
which browser can you use on Adelie and does RUclips work ?
A little heart broken, I looked up the system requirements, looks like my iMac g4 might be the oldest system that could run this that I have. I was hoping for my cube to work but its got an older GPU than the Geforce 4 which is unsupported.
What is the name/link for the RUclips downloader????
Im leaving a comment for anylitics
Does Fienix has ScummVM port?
I say install peppermint OS and give it a review while your at it
"User friendly"
Can you try this distro on the quad core PowerMac G5 lol
Can you please tell me if there is any way to run Java 11 or higher on any PowerPC based Mac. I searched all over the internet and I couldn't find any solution.
Install Gentoo
Couldn't you have just steamed from RUclips in VLC?
ah yes, debian based since they're only one who supports PowerPC
Ethernet gang to the rescue!!
Professional install lmfao
Anyone know if you can run mac software under this OS?
Im thinking of games made for PPC Macs.
Could You try on power mac g5 quad with modern gpu (Radeon hd 6xxx/5xxx are compatible)
He did already
@@DrZoidburg well i mean i'm fienix, that have that Radeon hd series driver
Dislike crapple, but at least they are willing to change. Definitely give them that.
Does Fienix support the PS3?
as it is Debian-based, I guess it does no longer support the CELL CPU 😢
I love a man who loves linux as much as i do.
Cool video, but you can still do more on that computer using Mac OS 10.4 😀
Using firefox to type google in 💀