Tarik:confused, frustrated about his pickems FNS: understands the play but still shocked Ardiis: This has to be match fixing Scream: understands the play but doesn't like it
doing this at 9-4 is the shameless part otherwise it makes sense, but even then as scream said, valorant can be VERY random because of utilities, you ALWAYS have a chance to win eco
@@ibnusukadiharto1914 so g2 players got paid to die like that in a tournament. Sorry but their fans will be disappointed. It's never okay to go and die like that maybe in a pistol or early rounds.
@@samratneupane8429why are you blaming G2 for that? Riot made a map where dying from falling is your best option because it's quick and prevents the opponent from getting ult orbs up. What's next? Players aren't allowed to play all classics no util cause that's throwing too? It was an eco round, they had nothing to lose
Nope, the real Aspas wasn’t even playing. It's rare to see a 30-round match where Aspas doesn’t get 30 kills-that's way too uncommon for him. So, I think he was asleep during both matches.
Never do this in round 2. NEVER. Round 2 has the highest chance of a successful thrifty you can get... As any other round when they have lots of money anyways its fine. But not in round 2, this was trolling
@def4646 what he meant was that in round 2 teams usually buy sheriff/spectre, with rifles sometimes. It is definitely easier to win round 2, than a full buy (rifles, utilities and full shields).
Yea there's no reason doing this in late rounds they should've tried at least. Unlike their match on icebox, they almost won every ecos, here they just gave up.
And give 5 picks to the opponents potentially giving them a Jett or Harbor ult for a bonus when you're already down 9-4? Doesn't make much sense. Blame riot for putting a map like this in a game like Valorant
@@speedforce8970 well at least you can try to win an eco round because that round is also important, it's better when you try because G2 is a smart team, they should be able to take sites with pistols.
I think the only issue i have with doing this is that they are down 9-4, giving orbs isn't relevant when you are that down, cause you gave them a 10-4, and if you lose that round you are done for, plus with good picks worse case lev gets orbs, but you also get orbs. Opposite to deny orbs, but lessen your chances
1, not everyone plays or watches CSGO. 2, Valorant is not CSGO 3, I don't think another team has done this "strat" yet this year so yeah that's why its a fucking surprise.
@dontexpectanyreplies okay little boi. This has been a known strat for csgo. I don't watch csgo but I know this iusy by playing val and being into tactical shooter. You phoney fan.
I feel like people aren't thinking this through enough. "Why arent people doing this on other maps like haven where you can take fall damage?" It really only works on Abyss because of the map layout. Its easier to convert thrifties on haven because you have so many close corners and spots for potential upsets. Abyss has too many line of sight fights in order to sucessfully defend. "Do this on 7-6/8-5 and not 9-4" You would never do this at a much closer score of 7-6/8-5 because you can afford for the enemy team to get orbs and economy in a closer game state. At 9-4, you most likely lose this round anyways and expecting to win a thrifty is far worse than expecting to win the 10-4 round with guns. Its only in hindsight that people say its bad because they lost the game. But had they won the game you all would have said it was a goated strat. "They didnt have to jump right away and could have wasted some of LEC util" They absolutely had to do it right off the bat. Abyss is very much attacker sided Orb wise. Both orbs are planted in areas where the defending side has to use util and engage in combat to protect or even stop the taking of ult orbs. Jumping at the start stops LEV from getting those orbs. "You can win ecos" Yes that is very much true. But would you rather bet on winning an eco or the next round with gun advantage. To even attempt to win eco, yould have to use util, buy a few sheriffs. If you do that and still lose the round, youre down economy from using util and buying sheriffs. You'd start your gun round with being forced to buy Vandal/phantom with little to no util.
Bro it's abyss. Aspas is going to have knives next round because he's literally going to farm the classics from 30 meter sightlines. Most maps eco is a lot easier since util has more impact, but it's abyss. What are they going to take mid control with? A viper wall? They'll get flushed out, pushed back, and die to the vandel/ bulldog. They can't hold space with worse guns, and they can't take space without util, both of which completely fuck up their econ.
On 6-7 or if you are in the round advantage its not such a bad idea because its just free ultorbs. U canr buy sherifs.and loeshields n shit. No herorifile. Just clsssics against spexters. Many teams just die to spike. But suiciding on 9-4 is a horrible idea
People out here in these comments saying not to do this need to know these stats. The most likely scenario of this round, LEV kills all 5, lose 1 player, plant the spike, and get an ult orb from pickup. This means they would have got 7 orbs total (1 plant, 5 kills, 1 pickup), they will have got alot of additional credits (200 per kill, 300 EACH for spike plant) 2500 to be exact, and they only would have likely lost 1 of their players... 3/5 of their team didn't even have 2500 of loseable material (I.E Guns/Armour) Saying "You could win" is a gamblers fallacy, you don't play for the lowest odds. If you take risks constantly, you would swing every smoke dry hoping they're not holding it. I understand the argument "Take risks to win when you're behind" but 10-4 you can argue is not as behind as it looks on paper considering it should become 10-5 after the 3rd round. They likely had alot of strategy they were confident in for their defense side that they wanted to give the best possible odds of winning, and not putting hope on an eco going their way.
g2 had a good amount of thrifties the map before this. also 10-4 is pretty behind and you should definitely at least try to play for picks and then die to spike after to get ult orbs at the very least. or you could just hide and run the timer down and if theres any threat of dying you just jump off the map. that way you can use the round as a "timeout" to prepare for the next round.
@@jaydon7392 I don't disagree with the idea, but playing for picks and dying to spike is a best case scenario. When there is another professional team on the other end of that idea, they're not necessarily going to just let you die to spike. Also, if you don't die relatively quickly into the round, they're just going to get the spike down... Thats +1500 for the enemy team for doing literally nothing in the way of changing the outcome of the round.
To be fair, Sen has incredibly high eco round wins compared to G2 or other teams. So Tenz will definitely be against this type of strat as he's immensely confident even on an eco.
You don't give ult orbs but you haven't damaged the enemy one bit, didn't waste their util or anything. They don't get uly orbs but they get economy boost. Also they could've used that time to discuss stats instead, make lev second guess themselves.
the thing is, if the other team knows you are going to jump off the map the can just invest in rifles on the anti-eco because the know they won't lose any guns.
Since some people were bringing up cs, this used to be a strat back in 2014 to use on second round to stop the enemy team from getting the high kill reward that smgs give, but it was banned by all tournament organizers because it was considered unsportsmanlike and just created for a less enjoyable viewer experience.
Gross exaggeration you got there. IEM events banned intentionally dying but this ruling was reverted only a couple days after because it was basically unenforceable
they could just hide in spawn and talk out stats while running the clock down, try to waste enemy abilities as much as possible the max orb they get is 2 then so be it they can jump afterwards. its a free timeout they can chill and talk strats.
this way the enemy might lose abilities if they run the clock down a bit before jumping down. the gamble is they have to go in to stack or they all jump
even if they did that, they could have stalyed all 5 spawn, let lev waste some util, take those 20-30 secs to discuss strats and then die. but then i think they didnt want lev to plant . still they could have waited for 10-15 secs.
Everyone is judging like they are pros and know what's the best tactics. This play is allowed and any team then can use it whenever they want. If the team thought that this will give them even the slightest advantage they should use it. Because every team should play till the end right?
@@aerith2094 if that's one way to look at that but it's horrible to do when you down so much, G2 has won multiple ecos before why not attempt another. It's just foolish to throw away that round like that. I'd be eating my words had they won after that, but nevertheless they lost.
Seems like an extreme version of saving instead of force buying to increase the chances of winning future rounds. Not enough data to know what the average expected result for this strat is yet. Not arguing whether this tactic should be allowed or not.
G2 team always bounces back when they're down bad, but here they are not just giving themselves a free round; they’re giving other team more confidence. I think everyone understands that play, but still, bro, you can’t do this shit in a pro match. I don’t know if there’s any internal conflict that makes them lose confidence, but I have to say that if any team can bounce back from that position, it would be G2. Unfortunately, they seem to have stopped believing in themselves somehow.
I feel like they could have at least baited out some util usage A main with heavy presence(refreshable util, and 5 running foot steps), before they all hold hands to their deaths.
Atleast wait for the plant bro... They could just gamble stack one of the sites so they have chance of winning and if LEV hit the other one then jump off
they value the gold and orb I guess let us say you stack a site you get killed thats money and if they plant another money for whole team and if you are on a winstreak there is less money in the next round and in 2nd round enemy is not full on vandal they have spectre bulldog and maybe one or 2 vandal which can be converted in the next round
People are overreacting about this like crazy. They don't want lev to get anything from it, no orb, no plant/ult point, no money etc. This play is probably the best scenario given that they need every advantage possible to even attempt a comeback. Giving over ult points and attempting to play slow for picks and shit will only put lev further economy wise, and ult wise.
Do people not know you get ult orbs from dying. G2 can rush kill 1-2 and end the round 6 or 7 ult orbs on each side because of it and also do economic damage before spike plant goes down.. could even win the round if extremely lucky. It’s the same with spike plant people don’t understand if you plant spike after time and survive you still get max money not just the normal 1000 credits for surviving I see people in radiant who still don’t know these things..
@nabieladrian what? That's exactly the point of the argument... you don't want them to plant and get extra money. How do valorant players not understand this? This is a very common strat in cs, except you can't do it as easily in that game. (You have to wait for the other team to throw a molly). And abyss is the hardest map to get a thrifty on with a full eco, due to long angles and quick flooding of the site.
@@nanni5230 You don't get my point, "they don't even bother." I understand the goal is to deny plant and ultimate orb, but is it logical for G2 to rush an eco defense in the first place? Every team competing will try to read each other to counter them better. Waiting eco defense to make a move is one of them, as you said, the map favor long angles. Therefore, FNC had the option to use their time to just let G2 open some playbook that THEY DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT, THEY CAN STILL DO THE JUMP AFTERWARD. You fail to remember that every Agent in Valorant are given one free utility every round, that not only stall the plant, but force enemy to react, including using their own free AND paid utility. So once again I say, THEY DON'T EVEN BOTHER. "Deny plant this round? Let's fast forward to next round!" Fuck off.
If it wasn't round 2 i would agree with jumping down. But in his case its trolling. Round 2 has the highest chance of a thrifty you can get. At least make it expensive so they are broke even if they win round 4. This makes absolutely no sense
Down 9-4 and giving a round when ecos are always winnable in this game is just brainless and cowardly. No eco damage dealt and no ult orbs to yourselves on top of that just make this incredibly shameful.
like i think its a fine strat BUT do something first to bait out the util of the enemy. for round 3 lev didnt had to buy any util since g2 jumped right from the start.
I get the strat, is a valid play and kind of has a payoff on those ult orbs and a reason to be done, but what i can't get behind of is that this feels like throwing and a bit disrespectfulnto the other team that's getting heated and locked in for the round. On a more game aspect take, as the caster said, you dont give them ult orbs, money of kills, kills and ult points and its a "throwable" round, but it's still a round you are giving them and it gets them closer to victory so i feel like it's not worth using it anyways and beats the meaning of the game.
I don’t blame the players but there’s a lot of blame to be put on the devs for this being an option when they’re getting paid they shouldn’t b doing this
All 5 jumping start of the round cannot be good 9-4… try something, maybe do some damage, get some util wasted, jump if it’s still unwinnable, or try if it looks winnable. Understandable play, but so extremely unoptimized.
If G2 were up 9:4 then yes otherwise its dumb. LEV has 2 with pistols, theres a chance they could still win the round, ig only good thing is not giving them ult orbs but dunno if its worth it
This is a fine idea, but this is not the right context to use it, I'm sorry but if youre down 5 rounds you cant just let their eco build up like that, you need to just try and win that
Ardiis got so confused like he had a salad for dinner💀
This might be matchfixing 👆🏻🤓
Ardiis catching strays as always
Bro he was trolling
He became Cole Palmer for 20 seconds 🥶🥶
That's crazy 💀
If this was PRX, Alecks' desk would already be broken into pieces by now... 😂
LMAO
i dont think he will get mad.. its a brilliant idea lol
@@lulu-qe7ds no it wasn’t, down 4 rounds and you basically bank on doing a 10-5 comeback? Nah man
@@Breakingfasst88 nope. Jumping off for Eco Round can be a good idea
@@verlaand3539 if it was close. You think this game was close? Sorry this was not the play lmfao
Tarik:confused, frustrated about his pickems
FNS: understands the play but still shocked
Ardiis: This has to be match fixing
Scream: understands the play but doesn't like it
Ardiis: Instigating*
@@Crewmate-yn3fj ah ardiis the instigator
and he's absolutely right man
@@spinelessj124 also add Scream: rare good take while mogging
doing this at 9-4 is the shameless part otherwise it makes sense, but even then as scream said, valorant can be VERY random because of utilities, you ALWAYS have a chance to win eco
said by the player who igl-ing the team into oblivion by the sheriff half armor all the time on eco round? nah bro he way too confident
@@ibnusukadiharto1914 He wasn't exactly the best IGL but that doesn't mean that everything he says about the game is incorrect
@@Artorias_The_Abysswalker1good argument
@@ibnusukadiharto1914 so g2 players got paid to die like that in a tournament. Sorry but their fans will be disappointed. It's never okay to go and die like that maybe in a pistol or early rounds.
@@samratneupane8429why are you blaming G2 for that? Riot made a map where dying from falling is your best option because it's quick and prevents the opponent from getting ult orbs up. What's next? Players aren't allowed to play all classics no util cause that's throwing too? It was an eco round, they had nothing to lose
"Just jump every round, man!" 😂😂😂
@@nabieladrian hiro did it
Jumped off into the lower bracket 💀
Aspas aura. Made them jump off the map
Mazimo*
No this map was com mvp
@@Normalcorevanh mazino*
Nope, the real Aspas wasn’t even playing. It's rare to see a 30-round match where Aspas doesn’t get 30 kills-that's way too uncommon for him. So, I think he was asleep during both matches.
Most rounds they would just find Aspas and then hit the other site lmao
if it's 7-6 then I understand but this is 9-4 bro 💀
Never do this in round 2. NEVER. Round 2 has the highest chance of a successful thrifty you can get... As any other round when they have lots of money anyways its fine. But not in round 2, this was trolling
@@daDUSTadwhat are you even saying bro, if you don’t force round 2 has the least probability for winning if you lost pistol
funny thing is they only won one round after the jump. lev beat them at 13-5
G2 actually just want to give up, it only works when you r up
@def4646 what he meant was that in round 2 teams usually buy sheriff/spectre, with rifles sometimes. It is definitely easier to win round 2, than a full buy (rifles, utilities and full shields).
Like yeah eco rounds are basically throw away rounds, but theres always the chance to get a pick or two or even win it..
But for a team like G2 can definitely win an eco round since their teamwork skills are just really good.
Yea there's no reason doing this in late rounds they should've tried at least. Unlike their match on icebox, they almost won every ecos, here they just gave up.
And give 5 picks to the opponents potentially giving them a Jett or Harbor ult for a bonus when you're already down 9-4? Doesn't make much sense. Blame riot for putting a map like this in a game like Valorant
@@speedforce8970 why they're not picking some orb first or take their time to discuss a good strategy before jumping and died?
@@speedforce8970 well at least you can try to win an eco round because that round is also important, it's better when you try because G2 is a smart team, they should be able to take sites with pistols.
Why is Scream majestic as hell
He is the gig chad of esports. Mashallah
he has that greek god look
Man is beautiful, no homo.
If you’re down that much I think you have to take the chance of winning an eco but if not it’s a smart strategy
I think the only issue i have with doing this is that they are down 9-4, giving orbs isn't relevant when you are that down, cause you gave them a 10-4, and if you lose that round you are done for, plus with good picks worse case lev gets orbs, but you also get orbs. Opposite to deny orbs, but lessen your chances
Nah it might be a good strategy but not when ur down 9-4
Tru😂
I mean they don't need to do it at the start of the round thou?
@@Dinmc123 to deny ult orbs they do
Suicide ads r crazy these days
This is just the dying to molly strat from CSGO, I don't know why everyone is surprised
Yeah, ppl are clueless
1, not everyone plays or watches CSGO.
2, Valorant is not CSGO
3, I don't think another team has done this "strat" yet this year
so yeah that's why its a fucking surprise.
@dontexpectanyreplies okay little boi. This has been a known strat for csgo. I don't watch csgo but I know this iusy by playing val and being into tactical shooter. You phoney fan.
No one asked little boi. Stfu@@jeppong
lil bro that start doesnt apply here because in csgo, valve devs are not dumb to not punish a team for game ending themselves
I feel like people aren't thinking this through enough.
"Why arent people doing this on other maps like haven where you can take fall damage?"
It really only works on Abyss because of the map layout. Its easier to convert thrifties on haven because you have so many close corners and spots for potential upsets. Abyss has too many line of sight fights in order to sucessfully defend.
"Do this on 7-6/8-5 and not 9-4"
You would never do this at a much closer score of 7-6/8-5 because you can afford for the enemy team to get orbs and economy in a closer game state. At 9-4, you most likely lose this round anyways and expecting to win a thrifty is far worse than expecting to win the 10-4 round with guns. Its only in hindsight that people say its bad because they lost the game. But had they won the game you all would have said it was a goated strat.
"They didnt have to jump right away and could have wasted some of LEC util"
They absolutely had to do it right off the bat. Abyss is very much attacker sided Orb wise. Both orbs are planted in areas where the defending side has to use util and engage in combat to protect or even stop the taking of ult orbs. Jumping at the start stops LEV from getting those orbs.
"You can win ecos"
Yes that is very much true. But would you rather bet on winning an eco or the next round with gun advantage. To even attempt to win eco, yould have to use util, buy a few sheriffs. If you do that and still lose the round, youre down economy from using util and buying sheriffs. You'd start your gun round with being forced to buy Vandal/phantom with little to no util.
Could have used the round for a pseudo timeout or atleast damage especially down 9-4. I mean orbs doesn't matter if you give the enemy a free round.
fastest round in vct might also be the fastest round in valorant history
Bro it's abyss. Aspas is going to have knives next round because he's literally going to farm the classics from 30 meter sightlines. Most maps eco is a lot easier since util has more impact, but it's abyss. What are they going to take mid control with? A viper wall? They'll get flushed out, pushed back, and die to the vandel/ bulldog. They can't hold space with worse guns, and they can't take space without util, both of which completely fuck up their econ.
Lmfao the iBuyPower strat 😂😂😂😂😂😂
ScreaM is right u always can win rounds in valorant, i dont think this is it
G2 has been through the gauntlet to even get here. ScreaM is talking from outside the club
On 6-7 or if you are in the round advantage its not such a bad idea because its just free ultorbs. U canr buy sherifs.and loeshields n shit. No herorifile. Just clsssics against spexters. Many teams just die to spike.
But suiciding on 9-4 is a horrible idea
Scream is right you never know what leaf could do with a sheriff
„Ibuypower“ lmao
"every round is winnable"
People out here in these comments saying not to do this need to know these stats.
The most likely scenario of this round, LEV kills all 5, lose 1 player, plant the spike, and get an ult orb from pickup.
This means they would have got 7 orbs total (1 plant, 5 kills, 1 pickup), they will have got alot of additional credits (200 per kill, 300 EACH for spike plant) 2500 to be exact, and they only would have likely lost 1 of their players... 3/5 of their team didn't even have 2500 of loseable material (I.E Guns/Armour)
Saying "You could win" is a gamblers fallacy, you don't play for the lowest odds. If you take risks constantly, you would swing every smoke dry hoping they're not holding it.
I understand the argument "Take risks to win when you're behind" but 10-4 you can argue is not as behind as it looks on paper considering it should become 10-5 after the 3rd round.
They likely had alot of strategy they were confident in for their defense side that they wanted to give the best possible odds of winning, and not putting hope on an eco going their way.
g2 had a good amount of thrifties the map before this. also 10-4 is pretty behind and you should definitely at least try to play for picks and then die to spike after to get ult orbs at the very least. or you could just hide and run the timer down and if theres any threat of dying you just jump off the map. that way you can use the round as a "timeout" to prepare for the next round.
nah they are pussy
@@jaydon7392 I don't disagree with the idea, but playing for picks and dying to spike is a best case scenario. When there is another professional team on the other end of that idea, they're not necessarily going to just let you die to spike.
Also, if you don't die relatively quickly into the round, they're just going to get the spike down... Thats +1500 for the enemy team for doing literally nothing in the way of changing the outcome of the round.
Tenz and scream literally said the same thing
To be fair, Sen has incredibly high eco round wins compared to G2 or other teams. So Tenz will definitely be against this type of strat as he's immensely confident even on an eco.
You don't give ult orbs but you haven't damaged the enemy one bit, didn't waste their util or anything. They don't get uly orbs but they get economy boost. Also they could've used that time to discuss stats instead, make lev second guess themselves.
Crazy how this is the one and only team that beat EDG
This is like the exam meme, dont study is basically not trusting your potential XD
they could have just gamble stack a site tbh especially if your down that much
That nooooo was like when frodo saw gandalf fall 😂😂😅
My bad it was Yoooooooo 😂
G2 had balls to do that 😂securing my 4-0 pickems
the thing is, if the other team knows you are going to jump off the map the can just invest in rifles on the anti-eco because the know they won't lose any guns.
Easy to understand the play but every round is winnable so honestly just a free round given and no eco damage made
Since some people were bringing up cs, this used to be a strat back in 2014 to use on second round to stop the enemy team from getting the high kill reward that smgs give, but it was banned by all tournament organizers because it was considered unsportsmanlike and just created for a less enjoyable viewer experience.
Gross exaggeration you got there.
IEM events banned intentionally dying but this ruling was reverted only a couple days after because it was basically unenforceable
Hm, looks like we’re talking about different time periods here. You’re talking about 2014 stuff but I was talking about 2019 stuff.
Imaging your CEO just arrived and got interviewed before that 2nd half and you show him this strat… omg
FNS : It's fine 🤭🤭🤭
they could just hide in spawn and talk out stats while running the clock down, try to waste enemy abilities as much as possible the max orb they get is 2 then so be it they can jump afterwards. its a free timeout they can chill and talk strats.
No because then the enemy could get extra ult orbs and 300 credits each for spike plant
A better strategy is just to stack 1 site, if they don’t come to your site to plant, then jump.
this way the enemy might lose abilities if they run the clock down a bit before jumping down. the gamble is they have to go in to stack or they all jump
they don't want lev to plant and get extra credits
Thats gonna be a emote for sure
They could at least wait for them to use some utility
absolutely spineless behavior
even if they did that, they could have stalyed all 5 spawn, let lev waste some util, take those 20-30 secs to discuss strats and then die. but then i think they didnt want lev to plant . still they could have waited for 10-15 secs.
Heck, each people can be posted anywhere to see their gameplan before jumping on their own. That's just total defeat.
Everyone is judging like they are pros and know what's the best tactics. This play is allowed and any team then can use it whenever they want. If the team thought that this will give them even the slightest advantage they should use it. Because every team should play till the end right?
I am confused. You get ult charge when you get killed or when you kill someone. So what's the advantage?
Tarik reaction was best lol...
Scream da forgotten goat
Hiro fell 3 times in one game lmao
They should make it you lose a orb and 100credits if you fall off the map
i mean surely you take the 20% chance round win instead none no?
Yea it was horrible to do that
20% chance to win or 100% chance for 0 orbs
@@aerith2094 if that's one way to look at that but it's horrible to do when you down so much, G2 has won multiple ecos before why not attempt another. It's just foolish to throw away that round like that. I'd be eating my words had they won after that, but nevertheless they lost.
@@aerith2094 bro they were losing 9-4, and u just gave lev a free round?????
they probably didnt want to give lev ult points as well
I think they should have waited like 30-60s so LEV would have wasted more util trying to get info
Seems like an extreme version of saving instead of force buying to increase the chances of winning future rounds. Not enough data to know what the average expected result for this strat is yet. Not arguing whether this tactic should be allowed or not.
Fastest VCT Round
match fixing at that point doesn’t matter how smart
Scream mashallah.
part of the map feature. its okay to use it
Well giving them orbs is better than giving them free win. At least if they use their ult for a win it’s still much more worth it.
G2 team always bounces back when they're down bad, but here they are not just giving themselves a free round; they’re giving other team more confidence. I think everyone understands that play, but still, bro, you can’t do this shit in a pro match. I don’t know if there’s any internal conflict that makes them lose confidence, but I have to say that if any team can bounce back from that position, it would be G2. Unfortunately, they seem to have stopped believing in themselves somehow.
Ibuypower is crazy
I feel like they could have at least baited out some util usage A main with heavy presence(refreshable util, and 5 running foot steps), before they all hold hands to their deaths.
Atleast wait for the plant bro... They could just gamble stack one of the sites so they have chance of winning and if LEV hit the other one then jump off
G2 are min maxing the game by jumping off Lev don't even get +300 from bomb but I still get what Ur tryna say
@@user-tn4rl1oq3s they aren't though... Cuz they let them get +3000 without even using any util
It is not in the textbook
@@user-tn4rl1oq3s yea but doing this in late rounds doesn't make sense
they value the gold and orb I guess let us say you stack a site you get killed thats money and if they plant another money for whole team and if you are on a winstreak there is less money in the next round and in 2nd round enemy is not full on vandal they have spectre bulldog and maybe one or 2 vandal which can be converted in the next round
People are overreacting about this like crazy. They don't want lev to get anything from it, no orb, no plant/ult point, no money etc. This play is probably the best scenario given that they need every advantage possible to even attempt a comeback. Giving over ult points and attempting to play slow for picks and shit will only put lev further economy wise, and ult wise.
This shows that they lost the confidence.
For all choker rex fans, that's how you troll in a tournament game.
And this one is not even a troll I guess
Do people not know you get ult orbs from dying. G2 can rush kill 1-2 and end the round 6 or 7 ult orbs on each side because of it and also do economic damage before spike plant goes down.. could even win the round if extremely lucky. It’s the same with spike plant people don’t understand if you plant spike after time and survive you still get max money not just the normal 1000 credits for surviving I see people in radiant who still don’t know these things..
If you know you cant win the eco round, you can take your time to plan for next round too right?
They do it early to deny Lev plant money
@@lordpeanutpig Invalid argument since they instantly commit the moment the barrier dropped. They don't even bother.
they don't need to take their time to plan, its usually discussed before the map starts or half time. So they should know the gameplan
@nabieladrian what? That's exactly the point of the argument... you don't want them to plant and get extra money. How do valorant players not understand this? This is a very common strat in cs, except you can't do it as easily in that game. (You have to wait for the other team to throw a molly). And abyss is the hardest map to get a thrifty on with a full eco, due to long angles and quick flooding of the site.
@@nanni5230 You don't get my point, "they don't even bother." I understand the goal is to deny plant and ultimate orb, but is it logical for G2 to rush an eco defense in the first place?
Every team competing will try to read each other to counter them better. Waiting eco defense to make a move is one of them, as you said, the map favor long angles. Therefore, FNC had the option to use their time to just let G2 open some playbook that THEY DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT, THEY CAN STILL DO THE JUMP AFTERWARD.
You fail to remember that every Agent in Valorant are given one free utility every round, that not only stall the plant, but force enemy to react, including using their own free AND paid utility.
So once again I say, THEY DON'T EVEN BOTHER. "Deny plant this round? Let's fast forward to next round!" Fuck off.
If it wasn't round 2 i would agree with jumping down. But in his case its trolling. Round 2 has the highest chance of a thrifty you can get. At least make it expensive so they are broke even if they win round 4. This makes absolutely no sense
YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CHANCE TO STEAL A ROUND 😭😭
G2 knows lower bracket is easy so they just threw the match🗣🗣
Against 5 Vandals I can understand but now after pistol, some teams like buying half armor so sheriffs get a lot of value also down too many rounds
that's the point, they know lev is gonna half buy and they fuck their plan, lev has less money and stuck on weaker guns.
I’d argue it’s not a good strat even for an eco….
Down 9-4 and giving a round when ecos are always winnable in this game is just brainless and cowardly. No eco damage dealt and no ult orbs to yourselves on top of that just make this incredibly shameful.
I get why they did it, but at 9-4 is crazy...
You should do it when you're up
They could’ve just used it as a semi break or even wait around a corner, ye it’s a waste of time but like the round was 100% free
this was funny but negative aura move
like i think its a fine strat
BUT do something first to bait out the util of the enemy.
for round 3 lev didnt had to buy any util since g2 jumped right from the start.
crazy that this got hate and went viral from that ONE twitter account
I get the strat, is a valid play and kind of has a payoff on those ult orbs and a reason to be done, but what i can't get behind of is that this feels like throwing and a bit disrespectfulnto the other team that's getting heated and locked in for the round.
On a more game aspect take, as the caster said, you dont give them ult orbs, money of kills, kills and ult points and its a "throwable" round, but it's still a round you are giving them and it gets them closer to victory so i feel like it's not worth using it anyways and beats the meaning of the game.
And they still lost a full buy after that lol
doing that just proves they mentally gave up. there's absolutely 0 reason to full suicide at the start....
This the type of shi why G2 got ZERO aura.
Trust me, 100% they gonna Ban it in VCT
Tariks such a clown lmao 😂😂😂
suicide squad
I agree with Scream
How much did Lev pay for this
Didnt g2 win a couple of eco in map 1 ?
Seeing lev come back 8-4 to win against them and still throw a round is maad
People who are confused are so brain dead lmao
shii last time i checked g2 dont have japanese players???
fastest round
Should been add penalty like more low money maybe 1k
you have seen 100 ecos even in pro games! you should try! at least try!
I don’t blame the players but there’s a lot of blame to be put on the devs for this being an option when they’re getting paid they shouldn’t b doing this
did they win after doing this
this is a good idea tho
I think make the opponent waste some utility and jump off.. that wouldve been better.. like dont jump off right away.
Did they loose the round after this ????
All 5 jumping start of the round cannot be good 9-4… try something, maybe do some damage, get some util wasted, jump if it’s still unwinnable, or try if it looks winnable. Understandable play, but so extremely unoptimized.
I mean its kinda 9 head... its an eco anyway so youre gonna lose the round. And you dont give them ult points
If G2 were up 9:4 then yes otherwise its dumb. LEV has 2 with pistols, theres a chance they could still win the round, ig only good thing is not giving them ult orbs but dunno if its worth it
Mate ult points aren't the issue 😂. 9-4 already. Not to mention when Lev threw rounds. Doing this at 9-4 is worse than not playing at all
What a silver take
@@HansFlamme im in Immortal tho… at best they kill 1 person, and then give over 5-6 ult points
This is a fine idea, but this is not the right context to use it, I'm sorry but if youre down 5 rounds you cant just let their eco build up like that, you need to just try and win that