Yeah my gun I’ll do whatever I want with it and if I break something then I’ll fix it. I’d definitely agree that whenever I’m handling anyone else’s gun I’m always very careful and thoughtful while handling it. Kind of like the difference between a car you own and a very nice car that is someone’s that you respect. You will drive them differently.
Will, if I remember correctly, it was mentioned in the post that the instructor said that it was bad to do if you weren't chambering a round from a mag. In other words, if you are dropping the slide to chamber a round, you are good to go, however if the mag is empty, be easy on the slide. I do agree with you tho that it is just plain polite to take care of someone else's property and not be rough with it. So I will do like you and be gentle if I am releasing the slide on someone else's firearm. Thanks for the video! :-)
Ok this explains so much. I was thinking "Isn't the slide going back and forth when it's firing? What's the difference?" I then assume that it's ok to drop it on snap caps as well?
It’s unnecessary really like at the range. That’s how I feel about it. I try to take care of the shit I work hard to buy but If you’re in an actual firefight, you’re going to need to slam it home. There’s a time to be gentle to her and a time to get rough 😂🤷♂️
I remember seeing that Wilson & Hackethorn video you referenced a while ago. I agree...if it ain't yours, be gentle. If it is yours, then do whatever you want.
The manufacturer, and men who have trained with the 1911 and other semi-auto pistols for longer than you and I have been alive, say that repeated dropping of the slide without a cartridge being chambered can/will cause damage to internal components. That is ALL semi-auto pistols of every vintage. If its' your gun, drop the slide all you want, use it for a hammer, boil it into your green beans, or feed it to your dog BUT only if its yours.
Agree about the gun not being yours and at a gun store. Treat all those guns like you would want someone to treat your own guns. I've never been scared to blast the slide home or dryfire on any cheaper gun. 1911s and revolvers have to be babied, which is one of the reasons they've fallen out of grace with inexperienced shooters. Buy a Glock - The brick you won't break!
I never had this problem. I dumped my last 1911 28 years ago and haven't touched one since. My EDC gun is a Ruger Blackhawk 45LC. Funny thing.....Since I got rid of my 1911s, I haven't had to utilize the services of a gunsmith in all that time. Guess that's why I'm a proud wheelgun snob!
I built one out of pla plus 3d printed frame barrel and everything but I wanted it to be like the real thing so I got all the real parts I'm never going to shoot it because it's a plastic frame but dropping the slide doesn't hurt it a bit and it's plastic
That video is my new "go to" for demonstrating what I mean when I talk about elitist gun bullshit. Those two wouldn't stop saying "omg AMATEURS". I rolled my eyes so hard while watching that shit I briefly lost vision. Wilson and Hackethorn probably have forgotten more than I'll ever know about shooting, but that doesn't mean they aren't so far up their own asses they can't see daylight.
Definitely agree with not doing that if it’s not your gun. During dry fire? All the effin time. Except 1911’s now, I guess, but who dry fires with those?
I agree, if it is not your gun, show it more respect but I wonder? Doesnt the slide, automatically, drop everytime it loads a round in the chamber when you shoot?
Right? The action of the slide stripping a round from the magazine and loading it into the chamber takes up spring energy, which apparently on a high end 1911 males a big difference. 🤷♂️
@@SapperGentleman I would expect the high end 1911's to be able to handle it better than most other guns. Especially since its a all steel frame and it is shooting the .45
And then, there's a huge number of people that are just natural-born contrarions. If there was a video explaining the possible dangers of sticking a screwdriver in their own ear, or running their vehicle with no oil, there'd soon be legions of guys doing it because thats the only way they feel self-assured and independent of being told what to do with their stuff. So, i hereby declare it unfavorable to stab screwdrivers into one's own ear, and damaging to ones own Ford, GM, Mopar, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi to run it with no oil.
I can see why you might not want to drop the slide on a firearm optimized for competition BUT I also don't see how wracking the slide to chamber a round is any different from dropping the slide to chamber a round after you've put in a new magazine. Dropping the slide on an empty chamber? I would probably only do with my own gun and I don't think I have ever done that in a store or at a show. Side wise . . . I have known two master gunnery sergeants in my life, one of whom was my grandfather. Neither of them had any issues with dropping the slide on an empty chamber on a 1911.
The explanation Wilson gave was that spring energy is absorbed in the action of stripping a round from the magazine, so if there isn't a round it becomes "too much" energy.
Racking the slide pulls the slide away from the slide stop and lets the slide stop return spring drop it out of the way. If your slide release is thin sheet metal like a Glock's, dropping the slide scrapes your slide stop notch and removes a teensy bit of material each time. Do it 40,000 times or so and you can wear the notch in the slide so much that it can't engage the slide stop anymore. Basically just don't ALWAYS drop the slide if you're practicing a ton.
Asked a friend who actually manufactures handguns, and he said “Generally speaking people should be thoughtful about a firearm. It is a mechanism designed to propel a bullet forward at great speed. It is not designed to be utilized in any other manner. No functional point is served (other than boredom…) by cycling a slide in a frame on a repeated, mindless basis without ammo.” I love you, brother, but I’m still not gonna do it.
@@SapperGentleman i don’t think he is against dry fire practice, just pointing out that despite their robustness, guns are machines that can be damaged by unnecessary wear. His analogy was to starting your car, and turning it off. Starting and turning off. Over and over. Over time it will wear. I think the analogy to swinging the cylinder closed is a good one. EVERYONE says not to do it, and even though revolvers are tough, you can bend the crane. I do a lot of dry fire, though there are some guns where you will damage the firing pin by dry firing (rimfires aside).
slide drops probably are bad ideas especially on AN EMPTY CHAMBER (i.e., when a round is not stripping out of the mag). And doing that on a 1911 is a big no-no, as you related, because that is a lot of force and you can break extractors, etc., on that platform. The gunsmith I pseudo-apprenticed with instructed that those levers are to be used to lock the slide open, and that is all.
@@SapperGentleman Also in the realm of mechanical courtesy/avoiding damage: Don't dry-fire a .22LR or other rimfire on an empty chamber. Avoid breaking your buddy's firing pin.
I'd say dropping the slide on an empty chamber is never "good" practice. Put simply, it's as much stress as the gun can put on itself, and inner mechanisms (save for dry fire, which can be very bad, for the exact same reasons), for what boils down to being lazy, or trying to look cool. Obviously, how much stress it's going to cause is totally dependent on the gun, but at the end of the day, it's just unnecessary wear, and tear. Furthermore, in any older gun you're collecting, you DEFINATELY want to avoid it. Because you have no idea how brittle the metals are getting. And like I said, dependent on the gun, and it's specific mechanisms, it can be very high stress, most especially on anything firing larger/longer cartridges, as spring tensions can get quite high. Of course, on a knockaround 9mm gun... You're probably never going to really hurt it, but again, it's just unnecessary wear, unless you're actually just stress testing it. But yeah, if it ain't yours, don't do it, that's just respect for other people's property.
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"Muh Glock and/or 1911 is/are most stronkest, and tuffest hand pew/pews on earth."
* Slide goes clack *
"Don't break muh indestructible Glock and/or 1911!"
I did this when buying my new PDP and the guy behind the counter cringed noticeably enough that I looked it up.
Yeah my gun I’ll do whatever I want with it and if I break something then I’ll fix it. I’d definitely agree that whenever I’m handling anyone else’s gun I’m always very careful and thoughtful while handling it. Kind of like the difference between a car you own and a very nice car that is someone’s that you respect. You will drive them differently.
I will straight drop the clutch on my own truck. I wouldn't do that to your's. Probably.
Will, if I remember correctly, it was mentioned in the post that the instructor said that it was bad to do if you weren't chambering a round from a mag. In other words, if you are dropping the slide to chamber a round, you are good to go, however if the mag is empty, be easy on the slide. I do agree with you tho that it is just plain polite to take care of someone else's property and not be rough with it. So I will do like you and be gentle if I am releasing the slide on someone else's firearm. Thanks for the video! :-)
Yeah, I should have been more clear in the video that I'm referring to dropping the slide on an empty chamber.
Ok this explains so much. I was thinking "Isn't the slide going back and forth when it's firing? What's the difference?" I then assume that it's ok to drop it on snap caps as well?
@@maker_greg Correct. The action of dragging the snap cap from the magazine into the chamber takes energy out the spring. 👍🏼
? we're is the proofs?? show me
Also don’t do the flippy floppy thing with a double action revolver cylinder
It’s unnecessary really like at the range. That’s how I feel about it. I try to take care of the shit I work hard to buy but If you’re in an actual firefight, you’re going to need to slam it home. There’s a time to be gentle to her and a time to get rough 😂🤷♂️
I remember seeing that Wilson & Hackethorn video you referenced a while ago. I agree...if it ain't yours, be gentle. If it is yours, then do whatever you want.
The manufacturer, and men who have trained with the 1911 and other semi-auto pistols for longer than you and I have been alive, say that repeated dropping of the slide without a cartridge being chambered can/will cause damage to internal components. That is ALL semi-auto pistols of every vintage. If its' your gun, drop the slide all you want, use it for a hammer, boil it into your green beans, or feed it to your dog BUT only if its yours.
Slide release go brrrt
If slide doesn't lock back when empty and drops forward, does time stop or is it okay?
More nuance! Let me drink from the fountain!!! 😀
Agree about the gun not being yours and at a gun store. Treat all those guns like you would want someone to treat your own guns. I've never been scared to blast the slide home or dryfire on any cheaper gun. 1911s and revolvers have to be babied, which is one of the reasons they've fallen out of grace with inexperienced shooters. Buy a Glock - The brick you won't break!
@@detector2guns aww lil guy
Your poor spelling and grammar makes me think that you don't know much about interacting with other adults. @@detector2guns
truth my friend 👌🏻
I never had this problem. I dumped my last 1911 28 years ago and haven't touched one since. My EDC gun is a Ruger Blackhawk 45LC.
Funny thing.....Since I got rid of my 1911s, I haven't had to utilize the services of a gunsmith in all that time.
Guess that's why I'm a proud wheelgun snob!
That is good etiquette among the gun community.
I built one out of pla plus 3d printed frame barrel and everything but I wanted it to be like the real thing so I got all the real parts I'm never going to shoot it because it's a plastic frame but dropping the slide doesn't hurt it a bit and it's plastic
That video is my new "go to" for demonstrating what I mean when I talk about elitist gun bullshit. Those two wouldn't stop saying "omg AMATEURS". I rolled my eyes so hard while watching that shit I briefly lost vision.
Wilson and Hackethorn probably have forgotten more than I'll ever know about shooting, but that doesn't mean they aren't so far up their own asses they can't see daylight.
I feel this.
@@SapperGentleman and for what it's worth I really appreciate that.
I agree with your post, and how much money did Ayoob spend on that awful toupee?
Definitely agree with not doing that if it’s not your gun. During dry fire? All the effin time. Except 1911’s now, I guess, but who dry fires with those?
I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea on a Ruger Mark series and perhaps any other gun that has an extractor ramp on the perimeter of the chamber mouth.
Massad says no - the gun was made to slide with the cartridge rim and the ejectors can get ruined.
I feel kinda weirdly special right now... :-D
I always appreciate help coming up with video ideas, and am always (sometimes) willing to change (or at least bend) my opinion! 😁
When rough handling may ruin parts, it clearly behooves to go gentle with someone else's private parts
I don't understand why it would hurt the gun. It pretty much does that every time it cycles, right?
The slide is *somewhat* slowed down by picking up a round from the magazine, but basically "yes".
rings. Not a ( 400$ gun) if its your carry pistol, it could be your life saver. Treat it as such.
I agree, if it is not your gun, show it more respect but I wonder? Doesnt the slide, automatically, drop everytime it loads a round in the chamber when you shoot?
Right? The action of the slide stripping a round from the magazine and loading it into the chamber takes up spring energy, which apparently on a high end 1911 males a big difference. 🤷♂️
@@SapperGentleman I would expect the high end 1911's to be able to handle it better than most other guns. Especially since its a all steel frame and it is shooting the .45
@@gabrielschultz89 High end 1911s are like Formula 1 cars; they're phenomenally fast, but you can't drive em over a curb. 😆
@@SapperGentleman Oh no, my 1911 stopped working because dust got on it
Thanks. Saw the discussion in the gun group. What's a Phud? Someone with a PhD? Or do you mean Elmer Fudd hunting wabbits?
The latter :). "A gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles."
And then, there's a huge number of people that are just natural-born contrarions. If there was a video explaining the possible dangers of sticking a screwdriver in their own ear, or running their vehicle with no oil, there'd soon be legions of guys doing it because thats the only way they feel self-assured and independent of being told what to do with their stuff.
So, i hereby declare it unfavorable to stab screwdrivers into one's own ear, and damaging to ones own Ford, GM, Mopar, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi to run it with no oil.
Um, okay. 😆
I can see why you might not want to drop the slide on a firearm optimized for competition BUT I also don't see how wracking the slide to chamber a round is any different from dropping the slide to chamber a round after you've put in a new magazine. Dropping the slide on an empty chamber? I would probably only do with my own gun and I don't think I have ever done that in a store or at a show. Side wise . . . I have known two master gunnery sergeants in my life, one of whom was my grandfather. Neither of them had any issues with dropping the slide on an empty chamber on a 1911.
The explanation Wilson gave was that spring energy is absorbed in the action of stripping a round from the magazine, so if there isn't a round it becomes "too much" energy.
@@SapperGentleman on 1911s, this is exactly correct. That hunk o metal packs a punch and slams into the chamber with a LOT of force.
Racking the slide pulls the slide away from the slide stop and lets the slide stop return spring drop it out of the way. If your slide release is thin sheet metal like a Glock's, dropping the slide scrapes your slide stop notch and removes a teensy bit of material each time. Do it 40,000 times or so and you can wear the notch in the slide so much that it can't engage the slide stop anymore. Basically just don't ALWAYS drop the slide if you're practicing a ton.
Asked a friend who actually manufactures handguns, and he said “Generally speaking people should be thoughtful about a firearm. It is a mechanism designed to propel a bullet forward at great speed. It is not designed to be utilized in any other manner. No functional point is served (other than boredom…) by cycling a slide in a frame on a repeated, mindless basis without ammo.” I love you, brother, but I’m still not gonna do it.
So he doesn't approve of dry practice? Or am I misunderstanding you?
@@SapperGentleman i don’t think he is against dry fire practice, just pointing out that despite their robustness, guns are machines that can be damaged by unnecessary wear. His analogy was to starting your car, and turning it off. Starting and turning off. Over and over. Over time it will wear. I think the analogy to swinging the cylinder closed is a good one. EVERYONE says not to do it, and even though revolvers are tough, you can bend the crane. I do a lot of dry fire, though there are some guns where you will damage the firing pin by dry firing (rimfires aside).
I’m offended that you might have offended someone, somewhere.
The most concerning thing about this video is the hat.
slide drops probably are bad ideas especially on AN EMPTY CHAMBER (i.e., when a round is not stripping out of the mag). And doing that on a 1911 is a big no-no, as you related, because that is a lot of force and you can break extractors, etc., on that platform. The gunsmith I pseudo-apprenticed with instructed that those levers are to be used to lock the slide open, and that is all.
Yeah, I didn't make it clear enough that I'm referring to dropping the slide on an empty chamber. 🤦♂️
@@SapperGentleman Also in the realm of mechanical courtesy/avoiding damage: Don't dry-fire a .22LR or other rimfire on an empty chamber. Avoid breaking your buddy's firing pin.
Funny thing is there's no reason to just let the slide drop on an empty chamber! .....why? .... maybe dry fire???? But in general no.
I'd say dropping the slide on an empty chamber is never "good" practice. Put simply, it's as much stress as the gun can put on itself, and inner mechanisms (save for dry fire, which can be very bad, for the exact same reasons), for what boils down to being lazy, or trying to look cool. Obviously, how much stress it's going to cause is totally dependent on the gun, but at the end of the day, it's just unnecessary wear, and tear.
Furthermore, in any older gun you're collecting, you DEFINATELY want to avoid it. Because you have no idea how brittle the metals are getting. And like I said, dependent on the gun, and it's specific mechanisms, it can be very high stress, most especially on anything firing larger/longer cartridges, as spring tensions can get quite high.
Of course, on a knockaround 9mm gun... You're probably never going to really hurt it, but again, it's just unnecessary wear, unless you're actually just stress testing it. But yeah, if it ain't yours, don't do it, that's just respect for other people's property.