@mrsegagamecube6419 As I will agree with your statement. Many hard-core oval guys would love an alternative oval sim that's less E-sports and more NR2k. The modding community could deliver on that.
careful, this narrative doesn't fit the weird tribalism the sim community likes to perpetuate for some reason. You're only allowed to like one platform, Justin!! /s I've been playing both AC and iRacing for years together. Stoked that ACEvo actually saw what their community was up to and are trying to lean into it instead of pretending their community doesn't exist like a lot of other devs (at least in the console space, looking at you Microsoft). Being able to sit in your rig and having like.. 5 titles you could fire up for totally different reasons is crazy. We're living in such a good era right now.
@@EthanDean57 I don't think there is one sim to rule them all right now nor has there ever been. The fact we can live in a world where you get on iRacing to run a couple races, spend an hour or two drifting or free roaming in AC, do a bit of rally in WRC/Dirt Rally/RBR and end the night with Truck Sim or something is amazing. Having choice and options in this space is what makes it fun. It's so much better now than it was 10 years ago. It's hard to understand someone who will pour thousands into their gear just to run one sim. I still think iRacing is my preferred platform but there's so much more out there!
i think a lot of people want not only a more complete sim but also a ranked system to at least rival iracing with the extreme cost/divisive tire model..with lfm and now sim grid partnered with ACevo it looks like we will get that option.. also the video is wrong in an interview at the expo the dev stated that the sim is built for esports
@@EthanDean57 I wish more people had the mindset to say no to spending THOUSANDS of dollars on a video game (iRacing) and actually decide to spend that money anywhere else cause you're literally throwing money down the drain... "but iRacing has so many servers"... so??? Does that make it ok to spend more money in iRacing than the cost of your sim rig and your PC combined only for iRacing to tell you that you don't even own that shit unless you keep paying them the subscription??? They should have less servers and not scam people out of thousands of dollars... nobody cares about how many servers you have when you literally tell people that your service costs about 10 times the price of all the other sim racing titles on the market and all their DLCs COMBINED!!! Seriously... the fact that this thing has an active playerbase shows me one thing... people in this day and age are freakin DUMB!!! Dumbest generation in history... morons that don't even understand the most basic and obvious scam right in front of their eyes and just pay pay pay because "oh, the poor devs must sustain the game"... f*** off... you're scam victims... not players... trying to justify getting scammed out of thousands of dollars for something that should cost less than 100...
AC1, competizione and Le mans ultimate already have better graphics, sound and physics than Iracing but they didn’t kill it all. The online competition aspect is what’s keeping people there. Hopefully Evo with Simgrid will have a very good online ranked system and put some pressure on the iracing developers to improve their sim so that we can enjoy both. More options is better. I’m not sure why so many sim racers want to see some of the sims fail
Even a gt sport/gt7 driver rating with a proper matchmaking would be enough for me as acc's matchmaking system doesn't really have enough competent players to fill up a server. But then again I'm not a massive iracing fan (yet?) but i should probably get my money's worth out of it. Did 2 Mazda MX-5 races and won both at that Irating. The lack of recognizable tracks is the main thing I don't like when starting fresh and I don't want to fork over a bunch of money before I even know if I'm gonna like a game. That and the physics imo don't feel great. The Iracing spin truly is a phenomenon I'll have to get used to
On Iracing for 2 months now, 2200+ irating, at week7 on formula Ford, I cannot stress how much fun the game becomes as you race more and more with competitive racers, bumper to bumper, Soo much fun I cannot even begin to explain. Biggest advantage of iracing is the pretty well ironed out multiplayer aspect of it. Iracing dethroned Live for Speed which was very successful because of its online success. You need something else to dethrone, and it's not the graphics
After three years on iRacing, for another sim to win me over for multiplayer it would have to match the quality of iRacing's servers, be able to organize and handle massive special events including 24 hour races, offer some sort of stewarding, and show constant improvement and investment into the service year after year. And ovals, a niche within a niche. I will still buy AC Evo though, because it is a sandbox game so it fills a very different role than iRacing.
It's so funny to me that people compare the price of iRacing to any other sim like it's only about the software, and pretend to not understand that there is a whole infrastructure behind it that costs a lot of money. It's a company that does nothing else but managing that sim, developing updates and new content in house to the same quality standars, manage the servers and answer every email within 48 hours. It has a huge player base and it takes real and constant man power to keep that alive,...and it has been alive since 2008 for that reason. Oh and yeah,...I'm going to buy ACE anyways and I'm exited to race it on LFM, and hope that it doesn't have ACC's braking and suspension model.
it likely won't. the biggest flaw in AC was a result of only a single point of contact being used for the tire, which means even the slightest bump in the track would make your tire lose contact with the ground even if in real life it'd never happen like that. They learned a LOT in the process of making and updating ACC, and are going to be applying what they learned to AC Evo. This means we'll have multiple tire contact points, providing more accurate tire contact patch data - and thus, more consistent grip under load, especially under braking.
it should be pointed out they have said it is built for esports as well.. its designed as both a causal driving sim and a hardcore competitive sim.. the only difference required is the organisation and infrastructure behind it which is why they have out sourced it.. the casual element simply comes from the other activity's you can do not the driving model
OG AC lacks any built-in race control and that's why mutiplayer racing isn't a big part of it. If EVO does have a competent race control and has ovals, iRacing could take a hit long term. Most leagues don't care about lobby racing, or availability of servers for that matter. I will agree the iRacing costs will prevent drivers from making a switch, and that's what iRacing banks on...pun intended.
I've spent thousands on iracing over the past 15 years. I spend the money because I like the cars and tracks and structure. Having spent that money has zero bearing on wether or not I go to a competing product. In fact I desperately hope for a competitor not because I don't like iracing, but because competition is always good and it will push everyone to release better products.
@sirgriffinman Yep, I feel the same way. Competition is desperately needed, especially for oval content. I just know many who won't even consider spending money on another Sim because of their iRacing "investment."
As someone who doesn't really take to iRacing and loves ACC, I fully believe that people touting AC Evo as the "iRacing Killer" are just doing it as clickbait. iRacing is way too developed, established, and well-made to be taken down even if AC Evo has the best physics across a huge variety of cars.
Thank you for being the one person that understands all of this. All these videos saying “iRacing killer” needs to go out and touch grass. It would be no different than how things are now with AC and iRacing. It’s just a modern AC coming out and iracers will STILL play AC Evo, but when it comes to the competitive nature of sim racing, iRacing is unmatched. Not even including that the second you go to a game that isn’t iRacing, there’s a high probability you will be taken out just because you are trying to pass someone. Intentional wrecking is garbage in every sim BUT iR. (Not saying it doesn’t happen, but it’s very rare. Especially if you allowed yourself to put in the time and get to A class)
Lets be honest here, iRating is a hell of a drug. that alone will keep people on iRacing. The big special events and such like 24 hour races are also a huge factor in this. unless some dev sets out to actually pretty much clone iRacing and manages to do it better some how, iRacing will never die.
As someone who has recently joined Iracing i have to say, its the whole experience not just the racing . the ranking, the community the UI the companion app, it makes it feel like your part of an official racing club. ive not played anything that compares in this respect.
@@cr1pton1cNot really? Its model is unprecedented and absurd. You don’t even own anything. You need a subscription to use everything you do “buy”. It’s a mix of sunken cost fallacy and iRacing having a diverse lineup. Stock cars especially. Just too much niches there and not enough elsewhere.
I’m still trying to figure out why you guys want competition to the bottom because they’ve had competitors and all of their competitors have sucked. It’s like arguing about Steam. Competition existing doesn’t mean the competition is good.
I’m an iRacing fanboy but I respectfully disagree in as far as the tipping point. If a sim comes out that demonstrates significantly improved FFB + car / road connection (tire modelling) with the superior graphics of a modern game like Assetto Corsa Evo, I’ll write off my IR investment and move over to the new sim in a heart beat. Even if that means forming private server groups on Discord to get a clean race (Automobilista 2 style). I don’t expect it to happen, but I’m ready to jump ship if it does.
@@DJYeeJay Agreed. The iRacing car / tire / ffb modelling still has numerous issues, but on the whole I find it significantly better than its competitors. I’ve no reason to believe ACE will offer an improvement but if it does….
If / when another title comes out with significantly physics model, IRacing has the user base and related finances to upgrade their own Sim.Thats going to make it difficult for anyone to become more popular than IRacing.
Here is the other reason I think iRacing will stay the king of onlime competitive racing. Since people pay a lot of money for it, it makes being suspended or banned a much more serious consequence. Reporting could actually be useful there. It is far from being perfect, but in higher splits, the racing is usually much cleaner than elsewhere. Who would pay hundreds of dollars to go troll people and get banned and lose all that money? On the other sims, however, it is much easier to just not care and crash into others. Some weirdos even find it fun.
Let's not forget that long before LFM there was (and I guess still is) Sim Racing System, which was an iRacing-style free online multiplayer system mostly for AC, and at certain points if times also Raceroom and PCars2, and it did not make a dent in iRacing's popularity.
That's because it's not integrated into the game. It feels tacked on and isn't as streamlined. We need a competing product that does all that iracing does, but just a little better.
Absolutely no one is going to move away from iracing after spending thousands of dollars, and thousands of hours to grind their rating. The community will be there still in 10 years.
While I’d love competition (or should I say competizione?) in this space, you’re 100% right about why iRacing is successful. GT Sport was far more fun than GT7, and a game to replace that would be fantastic, but yeah iRacing’s strength isn’t the quality of the simulation at all, it’s a far better simulator of racing than it is of race cars. That and ACE likely won’t have much of anything for us circle track degens anyway 😂.
@@andreasmoller9798 well that’s _an_ opinion, it’s certainly not mine. I should’ve been clearer in saying I’m only comparing the Sport mode since that’s the only thing that’s in both games.
Great points on all this and appreciate the clarity. I would add that iRacing just feels more serious and worthy of the investment as well. The sim has a lot of work to do of course, but generally to me, just feels like this is the big leagues and everything else seems a bit more for the kids. Looking forward to ACE and I will certainly buy it, but like others have said, it won’t take any time away from my iRacing career.
I think the strength of ACE is not to compete with iRacing or most other sims, but to offer something which is not really available in the sim market. It's clever from Kunos to not focus on something which is already available enough, but to add something new and build on top of what kept AC being one of the most popular driving games right now.
PCars 1, 2, and 3 were expected to be "killers", and we've shared similar thoughts on AC, ACC, and rFactor 2. However, none of them came close. Meanwhile, iRacing has thrived despite these so-called "killers," providing excellent racing with populated servers and no hassle. In the end, iRacing is popular because it offers busy racing over many cars and disciplines with very little hassle. Boot up any time of the day and race a full grid.
the idea that we have to necessarily pit sims against each other is a little sad to me. There is a lot that AC:E can offer competitively that iRacing can't and I don't know why people have to exclusively choose what to play. Video games aren't your girlfriends lol you can have multiple! I mostly run in league environments in iRacing. It is fantastic at it. But there's a lot that I want out of iRacing that I'm not getting that AC:E can offer in that competitive space despite not focusing on that space. High quality mods for tracks and events that would never be in iRacing, for example the 1006km of Palanga is something I want to run in. iRacing will never get Palanga or run it as a special event. It's too weird and niche for them to invest time to develop. This is where a sim like AC:E can give me the experience I want. DDF Racer runs a 24 hour community event on a fictional track he created. That's rad. I can't just download a random fictional track that one of my gamer peers created and immediately have that competitive experience on it in iRacing. Something weird and different that we take seriously can be refreshing rather than endlessly grind out 0.01s on Daytona or Watkins Glen. Plus, there's a lot to be desired for online road iRacing. There's no good FCY for road racing, so endurance events are just 24hours of time trials, which isn't how endurance racing works in real life. AC:E can fix a lot of race control issues that iRacing has competitively but hopefully both gets improved in the process of just being peers within the same genre. I hate that the SRC sees sims as a zero sum game. Sure there's a lot of subpar products outside of iRacing. But currently, between iRacing, LMU, and AC:E it's good for all of us if these three games thrive in their own space, even if iRacing maintains the ultimate competitive player base.
This is the most balanced review/prediction of ACE I've seen to date. All of what I've seen so far is just bagging of one over another. But my situation is what you described at the end. I've invested time and money in iRacing and I'm getting not too bad at it (nearly 5k Sports and Formula). I potentially would buy ACE, but will probably only use it when iRacing is in week 13/14
AC EVO could make a good multiplayer racing platform to compete with Iracing, just do a $10 season buy in and put 50% of the cash towards the prize pool.
@@ming454 They were talking about the physical brake pedal on the rig, which was adjusted weirdly. Race beyond matter did a long test and said that the baking physics itself feels a lot more like iRacing. Do I miss something?
i looking forward for a fun EVO as a cool cozy like alternative for days i dont intent to get competitive. I fully see your points and share them with you
Not going to lie, I usually sing along with the outro song every video, and I was trying to time when the drop was going to happen, and I came in full balls to the wall and felt real stupid as soon as I started reading 😂😂
I didn't even have to watch the video to know you were going to be spot on. AC EVO will exist in the Gran Turismo space, and while being open to modding is cool it will introduce vulnerabilities to the platform and toxicity in the community (arguing over mods, theft of IP, etc). Then you have to take the online support into account, where no one compares to iRacing. While AC EVO may beat iRacing at launch on graphics and physics, the staff at iRacing have made it public the sim is undergoing a major overhaul now with new physics on the way and a new graphics engine. You would have to show stable online multiplayer support and be able to replicate series drivers care about like SRO, IMSA, WEC, NASCAR, etc. which brings its own set of issues.
Let's be real. Without a subscription and many years it can't challenge iRacing. It will be a great game/sim but it won't have the online service to compare. Heck yeah I'll buy it and use it but online is likely to be sucky in comparison. Clearly i want them to prove me wrong but pretty unlikely they will.
Very insightful analysis. Can't disagree with any of these takes. In at least a couple of interviews at ADAC, signor massarutto mentioned that they're not aiming to cast their nets to fish in iracing's waters.
Firstly they need to get the ppl from AC to transition to EVO. Which will not happen incase the mod's are behind licensing meaning that the amount of mods will be a fraction of what it is now in AC. Also about the small glimpse of the visual style we've seen so far Ilja nailed the rain on CSP so well that it looks so much better than the current rain in EVO
Excellent breakdown & reasoning! As someone who loves competitve simracing, I own AC and ACC and enjoy them for what they are, but all multiplayer roads lead back to iRacing for me. And I'll definitely will buy ACC EVO (having VR support at launch is exciting) and will probably enjoy it , but I'm confident it wont replace iRacing. Great video.
My favorite part of about the iracing infrastructure is how well they're able to weed out bad and mean drivers. The protest system must be next level annoying for them to keep up with, but thank god for it
The tools to do a competitive ecosystem exist within SimGrid. They have a driver rating and safety system. AC's multiplayer model has been based on having paid servers. With that model their expenses dont necessarily have to increase if others are paying then to host events on their platform. I doubt we're looking at an iRacing Killer, but just wanted to clarify how I saw Kunos' business model and partnerships working
as someone who already enjoys modded assetto corsa and iracing, i expect it to mostly be the same as it is right now. Assetto for pure fun and nonsense with as many cars and roads as possible, iRacing for pure racing goodness.
tbh I was a bit jealous about people being able to play GT7 as I would love to just race some dailies and maybe try get into some (low to mid) leagues. But I think if ACE has dailies I think many rookie players might try going into multiplayer which will help sim racing in general as ACE will be something for people who might try a sim instead an arcade and not get overwhelmed too much. So I guess if someone new to sim racing might like ACE he/she also might try other sims as well. Every new Sim opening up the market is always a good thing as it will push more people into a genre that once was called niche gaming. iRacing might keep the biggest market share, which is completely fine for people who want to go all in. But having so much opportunities to play it will keep the overall player count high for a long time. So I will keep greeting every new sim-racing entry if it's well made and still fun (and hard enough) to drive.
Umm what? Lol they all compete its why we have players everywhere on all sorts of sims. Thats competition and it takes away players from other games. Thats how this works. Ive seen acc players that came from iracing ive seen acc players go to iracing. It just happens lol. I play both tbh its def not so cut and dry as people make it out to be. All of these brands and or titles are in competition with eachother at all times ask any dev or maker that's just how this works. Even if we want to believe it isnt.
@@reviewforthetube6485 see I don’t think they will compete that much because there are different reasons to have both games. I go into it a bit more in the vid
This is a good analysis. iRacing does a good enough job, so it's currently where the stiffest and most competition is. To change that, it's not enough to release a new game that's as good as iRacing, or even a bit better - you have to release something that's a lot better, and sustain it long enough for people to jump ship.
Apparently ACC has a major hacking issue with speed and grip hacks that couldn't be patched out even to this day. So if AC EVO possibly has the same vulnerabilities, this game will never compete with iRacing in terms of Esports.
Comparing EVO and its possible online capabilities to AC1 does not work because with AC1 so many of the upgrades are from user made mods which online all of the game needs to be a standardized version of the title being used for fairness and competitiveness. ACC with LFM did well and had quite a few top you tube racers racing the different leagues and series with a good following. The holdback for a wider audience was the narrow scope of only GT3 races and just the circuits they raced on. Even GT7 on the console base started out doing pretty well with its online racing attempts but with less than stellar matchmaking, along with poor control and racers allowed with getting away with bad driving and wrecking other racers to advance position with little to no penalty many of the racers over the years lost interest and gave up on the online portion of Gran Turismo. What AC Evo will offer we still are in the dark, BUT if they offer multiple classes/ disciplines and eras of racing even with a solid 3rd party conducting the matchmaking and race control and do so to a point of it costing the racers a lot less dollar investment than iRenting they could well be a replacement service for many aspiring online racers. LFM and ACC showed that a great online matchmaking experience with online racing could be had outside of iRacing and EVO with its wider reach of available vehicles and probable circuits may well have the variety to pull it off to a wider fanbase of racers. Kunos is a gaming studio and their best focus would be on developing the game and having a 3rd party running the online racing portion using the games full abilities may end up giving the best experience for the racers in the end. Again the cost and investment factor cannot be disregarded here, if AC Evo can sell you a complete game with 100% of the content for $60 and then introduce later DLC packages of new car classes and circuits for $25 for the complete package and there was online racing as good as anything else available out there why would racers choose not to race there over somewhere that you need to buy a car and several tracks to race in one class for the current season at an even higher cost? Nothing is ever to big nor too popular to fail and this includes iRenting.
Title is AC Evo a iRacing killer? LOOOOL They dont/wont even compete with each other. Completely different concepts of racing. Evo would be more in line of competition with GT7 if anything... but even then still a MUCH smaller target demographic. Are people really thinking this? I know the video is saying what I am saying... but who was thinking this? lol
I think that if Evo offers at least decent competitive racing then iracing will become a very tough sell to newcomers into the hobby, after all why would you want to pay so much for a sim with antiquated graphics and UI if you could have a better experience and only pay once? Especially if the driving model and physics will be realistic enough in Evo so that skills acquired in it will be transferable to iracing and/or real racing because then you'll be able to spend your first few months/years racing without costs and only go to iracing when you want get into esports and very few people actually get that far. I don't think that Evo will "kill" iracing in fact i think that's impossible, but to me it seems that the overlap will be significant enough to affect it. That is if Evo really will be as good as advertised so time will tell. And for everyone's sake i hope that Evo will be great and take some of the competitive scene because actual competition between high-skill simracing titles will bring improvements to both platforms.
@@DJYeeJay Autofocus algorithms can get distracted by a background with lots of details, pictures, etc. The algos basically look at the distribution of colors and try to find the "sharpest" contrast through adjusting the focus, with some secret sauce regarding which regions to prioritize. There's a face on the poster of the background, which might not help. Manual focus is usually how you gotta go. If you're using a webcam it can take some digging to find drivers/software that let you lock the focus, though. Sometimes you can click around in the camera source properties in OBS.
There is a large bunch of people you simply will not get off of iRacing. Even if you do everything right and give them everything iRacing can give them. The first main reason for those people is money. They spent so much on iRacing they need to justify it. Either with track and car purchases, or subs, even at discounts they have spent 10 times more than any other racing game. They then make so many mental gymnastic based excuses that really are just excuses to justify their personal preference. And they will keep to those excuses even if you give them something better. It will take a while for them to move on forward. Just like we saw the same exact behaviour with WoW players back in the day. Took them nearly 2 decades to move on. Like seriously, there were much better options out there for many years. One example of excuses, "a ranking system!!!!".... This is just a mindset. You can have a ranking system in other communities as well, ELO, and even get into esport leagues that are not for iRacing alone just fine. Then they make more excuses, "but this is part of the game!", and so the list goes on. 95% of the iRacing players are NOT going pro, sorry to tell you that, and you never will, because there are so many great drivers and the competition so fierce only the top 5% is doing it. The rest really are just making excuses over their feeling of being part of an "official community".... When end of the day what people care about is the race, aside from the competition. That is all. LFM has its own ELO system too for example. Not good enough because its on a platform outside of the game, right? lol. Meanwhile, the whole of iRacing feels like you are in a browser to begin with with its client form launcher, LOOOOL. Its the most "in the game without being in the game" excuse of a design I have ever seen. When I tried it out I honestly was shaking my head thinking of all the mental gymnastics all the iRacing fans were making and I came over to see what was what. Oh, and btw, iRacing ALREADY doesn't have the most realistic physics and has several issues..... See any iRacer ever care? Nope... On the contrary they will stick to the notion that it has the best "all around" physics ever.... Always changing goal posts, and also making untrue statements. Even more so, excuses like "graphics are not important"... Well, id say for immersion they are important. The more I feel like I am AT the actual location I am racing, the better. As a sim racer, I want to feel like I am actually there. Does that mean I dont want real physics? It does not. Its not a this OR that situation. We are living in a time where we can have both. Anything less is an excuse. Anyway, they can keep making as many excuses as they want, each to their own in the end. It matters little. There is already a huge community waiting for ACEvo as it is. It doesn't need iRacing fanatics. Meanwhile there are PLENTY iRacing players that are normal human beings as well and guess what, they can play BOTH games. omg, what an idea, right?
I will buy ACE and I am looking forward to it! but there is no chance I will stop racing iRacing for it, because I already know that it cant compete with the huge and great working multiplayer system. but it really doesnt have to.
this is a verty good POV, and already have tought about this. Kunos always said that they´re original passion for simracing was the passion for cars it self, and specially Grand Turismo style. However, they now have the Esports dna built with ACC. So with this physics, with formula, GTs and other racing cars in the game, Im sure that will create its part of Esports too..but we will see. For sure I agree will not kill Iracing, but I dont think its not going to make its way to the Esports market as well...but we will see
Lancer E-VO E-VO FGC Tournament Series Lamborghini GT3 E-VO It's E-VO. The devs can say whatever they want. But the word already exists and we say it in the US like E-VO.
@@litarea no. I keep hitting zero when I mean to hit O. In any case it’s not good. Either my fingers are getting fatter or my eyes are getting worse. Perhaps both.
Ac evo going for the masses and also the sim crowd, could be the biggest racing game ever made, when its proably going to cover everything, iracing is quite limited to esports only, could not care less about it to be honest. I am so tired of most Sims, doing pretty much the same thing, just online focus, and just pick a car and track, glad ac evo will do something different and more groundbreaking. There will be so much more depth into ac evo, could be the goat of all time if its done right
100% agree . Finally a voice of reason regarding EVO! I'll even take it a step further by saying I think the sim racing community so desperately wanted and needed EVO to be a game changer such that there is some sort of strange mass psychosis groupthink going on right now in reaction to the pre-alpha. Maybe the cognitive dissonance is just too much for people to admit it's a disappointment. EVO, to my disappointment, is not at all a game changer. It completely lacks the innovation that I was hoping for. It's the same old same old; a rehashed version of everything we've already had. Gosh, was I hoping for something different after all this time. The sound sucks, the physics needs a whole lot of work, and the graphics, while slightly improved, are not at all on-par with the next-gen graphics that we are seeing in some of the soon-to-be-released titles in other genres. Of course, I'm still going to buy it.
Honestly I HOPE it isn't an iRacing killer. I'm still waiting on a game that has a good single player experience AND a proper career mode that doesn't leave me considering picking up PC2 again. Assetto Corsa doesn't count when it has an AI that poops its pants when it literally touches grass or needs to do a 3 point turn. If AMS2 had a full blown career I wouldn't really need anything else. iRacing and ACC are the de facto multiplayer sims by a mile.
iRacing's multiplayer and competitive structure are unmatched. Still, even if a game is released with far superior multiplayer whilst ticking and surpassing all the other boxes, a lot of people have spent so much money on iRacing, that you would never be able to pull them away, even the thought of people switching and lowering the player base might make them annoyed. That said, even coming close to matching iRacing's infrastructure, multiplayer, organisation and planned events is a hill that I don't think anyone will climb any time soon. While I believe the financial aspect will always be a factor in keeping people from, in some cases, even giving another game a chance, there is a reason those people spent that money to begin with. It is for all the reasons listed in this paragraph.
I just want to say that server hosting costs basically nothing. I’m sure it cost a decent chunk in the mid 2000’s, but the price has gone from thousands of dollars to tens of dollars. My bet is iR pays less today with their much more massive player base than they did when they started out small. If people were charged what the server hosting cost today (split by the player base) I would have much less of a problem with the cost of content, because instead of being charged $110 a year each person would be charged probably $2-10 a year.
EVO hasn't sold me at all. I play ACC, AMS2 and LMU. I have iRacing, but sorry not sorry......it's not enjoyable at all. Stopped at "C" license. Once my subscription runs out in January, I will not be renewing it. Alot of the bad car sounds and dated graphics turn me off. I don't do Dirt, or Oval, so I don't really care about that aspect of it.
AC, ACC, LFS, AMS2, Project Cars 2, rF2, LMSU, R3E These are all games that have come out while iRacing is around All games I have been told through the years are superior to iRacing I still don’t see where the lack of competition is. It’ll be like saying World of Warcraft will get cheaper with competition and then watching FFXIV take over. I don’t think people understand economics… the only real way to make competitor to iRacing is to make a more expensive product that can allow you to put more resources into being better, which would then make a more expensive product than iRacing
I think AC EVO doesn't want to compete with iracing. Plus there are many aspect of the game which are still unknown and unrevealed so far. Many features will also be added in the future after the Early Access. I think it's too early to compare anything.
Finally someone who is actually adressing this issue, people complain SOOOO MUCHH about Iracings payment model saying "Its horrible" and stuff like that, I would like to hear their response to when they realize its been the leading online sim for over a decade. Hm? Maybe that payment model isnt too bad? Ofc Iracing will lose players for like 3 - 4 months due to the game being hot off the press. But ultimately, Iracing is the king and will continue to be.
iracing is not for kids. sure if you have constant income and pay every month then its not a problem. those other games are simply not that expensive like iracing and they are for everyone
Iracing has players that's the only thing it has over other sims. you know their model is predatory when LFM/Studio397 can provide a similar service for free
Maybe a lot of players have invested a lot of time and money into iRacing and I think this is also a way to keep players in the game.... Right now ACC is so much fun for me so I wouldnt even consider touching iRacing.
Disagree when you say Evo won’t have any impact on the iRacing player numbers. I’m a very casual sim racer, I bought the equipment a few months ago and love the hobby but don’t feel like I have enough time some weeks to learn the tracks well enough to join online races. If evo is good enough to scratch my casual itch I’ll probably drop my iRacing sub.
iRacing doesn’t need AC Evo to kill it. iRacing’s pricing model and safety rating system will take care of in due time. You can also add crappy graphics and tire model to the list. iRacing has basically gone down a similar path as NASCAR. Maybe iRacing will start issuing charters next? 😂
regarding your iracing servers cost point ... that's not how that works nowadays. the servers are spun up on demand and you basically pay for the computing power you actually use. if they are paying for empty Brazilian Stock practice servers for example then their IT infrastructure team should be fired.
Comparing online video comparisons between two games, one that is built entirely around online racing, and one that is not. You wonder why AC has less racing competition videos? Come on dude this is about the weakest point that could be made. Iracing is built for online competition OF COURSE there are more videos of online competition. If AC had race control from launch; and was built for this then this would be an entirely different conversation.
You are making a point that doesn’t need to be made. It’s Like comparing who has more hard rock songs KISS or Taylor swift. Both musicians. Different things
@@Sir_Wellingtonwhile I disagree with how he got to his conclusion with looking at RUclips video view counts being conclusive, he is still definitely right, the casual gameplay does have a much bigger player base than the online competitive player base. His way of showing us with view counts is flawed because cool scenery driving would be better for viewers on youtube than a random race which doesn't look as good or fun. But his conclusion is right, AC is better to have very good support for casual players and decent outsourced online competition. I'd love it to be both in house but for a studio they have made the correct decision. Iracing which is the "holy grail" of online has currently online count of around 11k which is actually less than the original AC currently, a 10 year old game. This shows that casual gameplay on AC is still king, I know there's leagues but that would be a tiny percentage. With Evo not having to use CM and other 'confusing" methods to get it to work properly and having better ffb and physics and proper they will get the player count in.
Hopefully iracings graphics update will be atleast decent... (When it finally gets released) I want this racing experience and not the driving experience but i am not willing to spent the money on a freaking game which looks like its from 2000 lol. I just cant.
Who even wants an iRacing killer anyways? Competition breeds innovation. Without devs pushing one another we get the same ubisoft slop releases every year. I’d say we’re in a good place rn lol
I havent played ACC in like 1,5 years, my main sim is iRacing and sometimes LMU. Will i buy ACE, yes for sure! And race online on SimGrid and LFM. But will i leave iRacing, for sure no. iRacing is the holy grail of online races, no one does it better and ACE is not aimed at this.
i agree and i think its better like this bc i want a simulator to have fun not to do races, iracing its a good (or the best) simulator for races and i dont think i need something else if i want to race, but we all need a game like grand turismo in simulators bc their campaing is very enjoyable to play, plus u get 3 free roam maps with traffic without mods and tuning cars. i think this is what 70% of players in ac needs, its more famouse ac bc nohesi and this shits so yeah it need to be like this
Let's be real, unless you can pull the Oval drivers from iRacing, you aren't going to be able to kill it.
iRacing is pretty much the only place to get competitive oval racing
But who cares? When people say AC Evo will be iRacing killer they clearly don't mean anything regarding oval. It's all about the road racing part.
Why would you want to kill it to begin with
@mrsegagamecube6419 As I will agree with your statement. Many hard-core oval guys would love an alternative oval sim that's less E-sports and more NR2k. The modding community could deliver on that.
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careful, this narrative doesn't fit the weird tribalism the sim community likes to perpetuate for some reason. You're only allowed to like one platform, Justin!!
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I've been playing both AC and iRacing for years together. Stoked that ACEvo actually saw what their community was up to and are trying to lean into it instead of pretending their community doesn't exist like a lot of other devs (at least in the console space, looking at you Microsoft).
Being able to sit in your rig and having like.. 5 titles you could fire up for totally different reasons is crazy. We're living in such a good era right now.
I wish more people had this mindset. I enjoy numerous sims for their positives instead of hating them for their negatives.
@@EthanDean57 I don't think there is one sim to rule them all right now nor has there ever been. The fact we can live in a world where you get on iRacing to run a couple races, spend an hour or two drifting or free roaming in AC, do a bit of rally in WRC/Dirt Rally/RBR and end the night with Truck Sim or something is amazing. Having choice and options in this space is what makes it fun.
It's so much better now than it was 10 years ago. It's hard to understand someone who will pour thousands into their gear just to run one sim. I still think iRacing is my preferred platform but there's so much more out there!
Truly, I could have only have dreamed this with nascar 98. But Bill Elliot’s racing on NES was life changing as a young child
i think a lot of people want not only a more complete sim but also a ranked system to at least rival iracing with the extreme cost/divisive tire model..with lfm and now sim grid partnered with ACevo it looks like we will get that option.. also the video is wrong in an interview at the expo the dev stated that the sim is built for esports
@@EthanDean57 I wish more people had the mindset to say no to spending THOUSANDS of dollars on a video game (iRacing) and actually decide to spend that money anywhere else cause you're literally throwing money down the drain... "but iRacing has so many servers"... so??? Does that make it ok to spend more money in iRacing than the cost of your sim rig and your PC combined only for iRacing to tell you that you don't even own that shit unless you keep paying them the subscription??? They should have less servers and not scam people out of thousands of dollars... nobody cares about how many servers you have when you literally tell people that your service costs about 10 times the price of all the other sim racing titles on the market and all their DLCs COMBINED!!!
Seriously... the fact that this thing has an active playerbase shows me one thing... people in this day and age are freakin DUMB!!! Dumbest generation in history... morons that don't even understand the most basic and obvious scam right in front of their eyes and just pay pay pay because "oh, the poor devs must sustain the game"... f*** off... you're scam victims... not players... trying to justify getting scammed out of thousands of dollars for something that should cost less than 100...
AC1, competizione and Le mans ultimate already have better graphics, sound and physics than Iracing but they didn’t kill it all. The online competition aspect is what’s keeping people there. Hopefully Evo with Simgrid will have a very good online ranked system and put some pressure on the iracing developers to improve their sim so that we can enjoy both. More options is better. I’m not sure why so many sim racers want to see some of the sims fail
Even a gt sport/gt7 driver rating with a proper matchmaking would be enough for me as acc's matchmaking system doesn't really have enough competent players to fill up a server. But then again I'm not a massive iracing fan (yet?) but i should probably get my money's worth out of it. Did 2 Mazda MX-5 races and won both at that Irating. The lack of recognizable tracks is the main thing I don't like when starting fresh and I don't want to fork over a bunch of money before I even know if I'm gonna like a game. That and the physics imo don't feel great. The Iracing spin truly is a phenomenon I'll have to get used to
On Iracing for 2 months now, 2200+ irating, at week7 on formula Ford, I cannot stress how much fun the game becomes as you race more and more with competitive racers, bumper to bumper, Soo much fun I cannot even begin to explain.
Biggest advantage of iracing is the pretty well ironed out multiplayer aspect of it. Iracing dethroned Live for Speed which was very successful because of its online success. You need something else to dethrone, and it's not the graphics
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looking for the iracing killer is like looking for the youtube killer, it needs to be funded by someone willing to lose a lot of money in the process
Its like looking for the next Destiny killer....millions lost to find out it was Destiny itself the whole time
After three years on iRacing, for another sim to win me over for multiplayer it would have to match the quality of iRacing's servers, be able to organize and handle massive special events including 24 hour races, offer some sort of stewarding, and show constant improvement and investment into the service year after year. And ovals, a niche within a niche. I will still buy AC Evo though, because it is a sandbox game so it fills a very different role than iRacing.
it's not enough for millions of people to love a video game, if it doesn't destroy the player base of a other game then it's trash 😂
Terrible tire model/ netcode/graphics/ price+sub, yeah iracers are realy special 😅
@@ducat7493iracing is the only sim with real life feel of tyre-asphalt connection, may be rsf rbr also🤷♂️
It's so funny to me that people compare the price of iRacing to any other sim like it's only about the software, and pretend to not understand that there is a whole infrastructure behind it that costs a lot of money. It's a company that does nothing else but managing that sim, developing updates and new content in house to the same quality standars, manage the servers and answer every email within 48 hours. It has a huge player base and it takes real and constant man power to keep that alive,...and it has been alive since 2008 for that reason. Oh and yeah,...I'm going to buy ACE anyways and I'm exited to race it on LFM, and hope that it doesn't have ACC's braking and suspension model.
it likely won't. the biggest flaw in AC was a result of only a single point of contact being used for the tire, which means even the slightest bump in the track would make your tire lose contact with the ground even if in real life it'd never happen like that. They learned a LOT in the process of making and updating ACC, and are going to be applying what they learned to AC Evo. This means we'll have multiple tire contact points, providing more accurate tire contact patch data - and thus, more consistent grip under load, especially under braking.
WoW is 20 years old.
People complaining about iRacing are just trolls.
Totally agree
it should be pointed out they have said it is built for esports as well.. its designed as both a causal driving sim and a hardcore competitive sim.. the only difference required is the organisation and infrastructure behind it which is why they have out sourced it.. the casual element simply comes from the other activity's you can do not the driving model
Honestly the annual subscription is very similar in cost to buying just 1 quality game per year. That alone makes me dismiss the cost complaints.
The point you made about the iRacing servers is the reason that none of these other sims will unthrone iR.
OG AC lacks any built-in race control and that's why mutiplayer racing isn't a big part of it. If EVO does have a competent race control and has ovals, iRacing could take a hit long term. Most leagues don't care about lobby racing, or availability of servers for that matter. I will agree the iRacing costs will prevent drivers from making a switch, and that's what iRacing banks on...pun intended.
I've spent thousands on iracing over the past 15 years. I spend the money because I like the cars and tracks and structure. Having spent that money has zero bearing on wether or not I go to a competing product.
In fact I desperately hope for a competitor not because I don't like iracing, but because competition is always good and it will push everyone to release better products.
@sirgriffinman Yep, I feel the same way. Competition is desperately needed, especially for oval content. I just know many who won't even consider spending money on another Sim because of their iRacing "investment."
This was an excellent take. I've been wondering why Kunos doesn't target the online esports aspect more, but your explanation made perfect sense.
As someone who doesn't really take to iRacing and loves ACC, I fully believe that people touting AC Evo as the "iRacing Killer" are just doing it as clickbait. iRacing is way too developed, established, and well-made to be taken down even if AC Evo has the best physics across a huge variety of cars.
Thank you for being the one person that understands all of this.
All these videos saying “iRacing killer” needs to go out and touch grass.
It would be no different than how things are now with AC and iRacing. It’s just a modern AC coming out and iracers will STILL play AC Evo, but when it comes to the competitive nature of sim racing, iRacing is unmatched. Not even including that the second you go to a game that isn’t iRacing, there’s a high probability you will be taken out just because you are trying to pass someone. Intentional wrecking is garbage in every sim BUT iR. (Not saying it doesn’t happen, but it’s very rare. Especially if you allowed yourself to put in the time and get to A class)
Lets be honest here, iRating is a hell of a drug. that alone will keep people on iRacing. The big special events and such like 24 hour races are also a huge factor in this. unless some dev sets out to actually pretty much clone iRacing and manages to do it better some how, iRacing will never die.
As someone who has recently joined Iracing i have to say, its the whole experience not just the racing . the ranking, the community the UI the companion app, it makes it feel like your part of an official racing club. ive not played anything that compares in this respect.
I wish it was, actual competition in the sim racing market would force iracing to actually fix its gane
Exactly and stop charging so much. Monopoly ruins gaming
@fjnemo there's a reason why it's so expensive
@@cr1pton1cNot really? Its model is unprecedented and absurd. You don’t even own anything. You need a subscription to use everything you do “buy”. It’s a mix of sunken cost fallacy and iRacing having a diverse lineup. Stock cars especially. Just too much niches there and not enough elsewhere.
I’m still trying to figure out why you guys want competition to the bottom because they’ve had competitors and all of their competitors have sucked.
It’s like arguing about Steam. Competition existing doesn’t mean the competition is good.
@@fjnemo you can still play other racing titles. Nothing stopping you.
I’m an iRacing fanboy but I respectfully disagree in as far as the tipping point. If a sim comes out that demonstrates significantly improved FFB + car / road connection (tire modelling) with the superior graphics of a modern game like Assetto Corsa Evo, I’ll write off my IR investment and move over to the new sim in a heart beat.
Even if that means forming private server groups on Discord to get a clean race (Automobilista 2 style).
I don’t expect it to happen, but I’m ready to jump ship if it does.
@@Nick72c there’s a possibility I just don’t really see it happening in most outcomes
@@DJYeeJay Agreed. The iRacing car / tire / ffb modelling still has numerous issues, but on the whole I find it significantly better than its competitors. I’ve no reason to believe ACE will offer an improvement but if it does….
LFM could tip it, But id stay on iracing too. Probably not buy much more content but just keep sub going. Black Friday 1 year is cheap enough
Iracing has the worst tire model of any sims out there ! @@Nick72c
If / when another title comes out with significantly physics model, IRacing has the user base and related finances to upgrade their own Sim.Thats going to make it difficult for anyone to become more popular than IRacing.
Here is the other reason I think iRacing will stay the king of onlime competitive racing. Since people pay a lot of money for it, it makes being suspended or banned a much more serious consequence. Reporting could actually be useful there. It is far from being perfect, but in higher splits, the racing is usually much cleaner than elsewhere. Who would pay hundreds of dollars to go troll people and get banned and lose all that money? On the other sims, however, it is much easier to just not care and crash into others. Some weirdos even find it fun.
Let's not forget that long before LFM there was (and I guess still is) Sim Racing System, which was an iRacing-style free online multiplayer system mostly for AC, and at certain points if times also Raceroom and PCars2, and it did not make a dent in iRacing's popularity.
That's because it's not integrated into the game. It feels tacked on and isn't as streamlined. We need a competing product that does all that iracing does, but just a little better.
Absolutely no one is going to move away from iracing after spending thousands of dollars, and thousands of hours to grind their rating. The community will be there still in 10 years.
While I’d love competition (or should I say competizione?) in this space, you’re 100% right about why iRacing is successful.
GT Sport was far more fun than GT7, and a game to replace that would be fantastic, but yeah iRacing’s strength isn’t the quality of the simulation at all, it’s a far better simulator of racing than it is of race cars.
That and ACE likely won’t have much of anything for us circle track degens anyway 😂.
How was gt sport more fun, gt7 has way more on offer in almost in every catogory,
Gt7 is superior in almost every way.
@@andreasmoller9798 well that’s _an_ opinion, it’s certainly not mine. I should’ve been clearer in saying I’m only comparing the Sport mode since that’s the only thing that’s in both games.
Great points on all this and appreciate the clarity.
I would add that iRacing just feels more serious and worthy of the investment as well. The sim has a lot of work to do of course, but generally to me, just feels like this is the big leagues and everything else seems a bit more for the kids.
Looking forward to ACE and I will certainly buy it, but like others have said, it won’t take any time away from my iRacing career.
I think the strength of ACE is not to compete with iRacing or most other sims, but to offer something which is not really available in the sim market. It's clever from Kunos to not focus on something which is already available enough, but to add something new and build on top of what kept AC being one of the most popular driving games right now.
PCars 1, 2, and 3 were expected to be "killers", and we've shared similar thoughts on AC, ACC, and rFactor 2. However, none of them came close. Meanwhile, iRacing has thrived despite these so-called "killers," providing excellent racing with populated servers and no hassle.
In the end, iRacing is popular because it offers busy racing over many cars and disciplines with very little hassle. Boot up any time of the day and race a full grid.
the idea that we have to necessarily pit sims against each other is a little sad to me. There is a lot that AC:E can offer competitively that iRacing can't and I don't know why people have to exclusively choose what to play. Video games aren't your girlfriends lol you can have multiple!
I mostly run in league environments in iRacing. It is fantastic at it. But there's a lot that I want out of iRacing that I'm not getting that AC:E can offer in that competitive space despite not focusing on that space. High quality mods for tracks and events that would never be in iRacing, for example the 1006km of Palanga is something I want to run in. iRacing will never get Palanga or run it as a special event. It's too weird and niche for them to invest time to develop. This is where a sim like AC:E can give me the experience I want. DDF Racer runs a 24 hour community event on a fictional track he created. That's rad. I can't just download a random fictional track that one of my gamer peers created and immediately have that competitive experience on it in iRacing. Something weird and different that we take seriously can be refreshing rather than endlessly grind out 0.01s on Daytona or Watkins Glen.
Plus, there's a lot to be desired for online road iRacing. There's no good FCY for road racing, so endurance events are just 24hours of time trials, which isn't how endurance racing works in real life. AC:E can fix a lot of race control issues that iRacing has competitively but hopefully both gets improved in the process of just being peers within the same genre.
I hate that the SRC sees sims as a zero sum game. Sure there's a lot of subpar products outside of iRacing. But currently, between iRacing, LMU, and AC:E it's good for all of us if these three games thrive in their own space, even if iRacing maintains the ultimate competitive player base.
It definelty wont kill iRacing but i can bet there will be no Forza Horizon 6 or NFS game coming out next year if it lives up to the hype......
I just run in league in iracing, that's my favourite part. Barely ever run officials.
I run XMS RicmoTech series. Trucks Tuesday and Xfinity Wednesday
Xfinity Wednesday?
@@purwantiallan5089 yup. This week is throwback week, tonight we are running old Atlanta 140 laps 1 stage vreak
We had this discussion before ACC launched.
Do we really need to have this discussion? It's like when a new MMO comes out and it's the WoW killer. Surprise surprise , it's not...
definitely lmu&rennsport killer😂
@@Chidorin nobody cares about either games troglodyte
In Gamermuscle's interview with one of the devs, he made it absolutely clear that ACE would not have any type of ranked servers within the game.
If anything, It will help iRacing improve.
Not sure it was ever intended to be an iRacing killer. I see ACE as consolidating the AC and ACC player base into a single sim.
I thought it is separated into several sim categories.
This is the most balanced review/prediction of ACE I've seen to date. All of what I've seen so far is just bagging of one over another. But my situation is what you described at the end. I've invested time and money in iRacing and I'm getting not too bad at it (nearly 5k Sports and Formula). I potentially would buy ACE, but will probably only use it when iRacing is in week 13/14
AC EVO could make a good multiplayer racing platform to compete with Iracing, just do a $10 season buy in and put 50% of the cash towards the prize pool.
AC Evo won't kill iRacing because they still didn't fix their weird brakes
How do you know that they didn't. I was hoping they would.
@@mementomori4972 multiple people from expo were saying that Porsche has weird brakes.
@@ming454 They were talking about the physical brake pedal on the rig, which was adjusted weirdly. Race beyond matter did a long test and said that the baking physics itself feels a lot more like iRacing. Do I miss something?
i looking forward for a fun EVO as a cool cozy like alternative for days i dont intent to get competitive. I fully see your points and share them with you
Evo will be a great racing sim, but iracing is still going to be better in terms of hardcore racing sim
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Not going to lie, I usually sing along with the outro song every video, and I was trying to time when the drop was going to happen, and I came in full balls to the wall and felt real stupid as soon as I started reading 😂😂
Sorry for the disappointment 🤣
I didn't even have to watch the video to know you were going to be spot on. AC EVO will exist in the Gran Turismo space, and while being open to modding is cool it will introduce vulnerabilities to the platform and toxicity in the community (arguing over mods, theft of IP, etc). Then you have to take the online support into account, where no one compares to iRacing. While AC EVO may beat iRacing at launch on graphics and physics, the staff at iRacing have made it public the sim is undergoing a major overhaul now with new physics on the way and a new graphics engine. You would have to show stable online multiplayer support and be able to replicate series drivers care about like SRO, IMSA, WEC, NASCAR, etc. which brings its own set of issues.
Let's be real. Without a subscription and many years it can't challenge iRacing. It will be a great game/sim but it won't have the online service to compare. Heck yeah I'll buy it and use it but online is likely to be sucky in comparison. Clearly i want them to prove me wrong but pretty unlikely they will.
Nobody is really looking for an iRacing killer, just a competitor.
You can have your cake and eat it too. You cant eat your cake and have it too.
Very insightful analysis. Can't disagree with any of these takes. In at least a couple of interviews at ADAC, signor massarutto mentioned that they're not aiming to cast their nets to fish in iracing's waters.
Reason why Raceroom didn't kill Iracing is literally the lack of oval racing on it
Firstly they need to get the ppl from AC to transition to EVO. Which will not happen incase the mod's are behind licensing meaning that the amount of mods will be a fraction of what it is now in AC. Also about the small glimpse of the visual style we've seen so far Ilja nailed the rain on CSP so well that it looks so much better than the current rain in EVO
Excellent breakdown & reasoning! As someone who loves competitve simracing, I own AC and ACC and enjoy them for what they are, but all multiplayer roads lead back to iRacing for me. And I'll definitely will buy ACC EVO (having VR support at launch is exciting) and will probably enjoy it , but I'm confident it wont replace iRacing. Great video.
My favorite part of about the iracing infrastructure is how well they're able to weed out bad and mean drivers. The protest system must be next level annoying for them to keep up with, but thank god for it
Love how people release these videos before the game is even released
Agreed; I think and hope ACE should try to be a better, PC version of Gran Turismo, and then it and iRacing can live side-by-side in harmony.
The tools to do a competitive ecosystem exist within SimGrid. They have a driver rating and safety system.
AC's multiplayer model has been based on having paid servers. With that model their expenses dont necessarily have to increase if others are paying then to host events on their platform.
I doubt we're looking at an iRacing Killer, but just wanted to clarify how I saw Kunos' business model and partnerships working
Also to be fair, Iracing UI was all based on a website until a few years ago, Iracing didn't have an actual program.
I plan on getting it when it drops, but I’d be very surprised if it takes away from the time I spend on iRacing
as someone who already enjoys modded assetto corsa and iracing, i expect it to mostly be the same as it is right now. Assetto for pure fun and nonsense with as many cars and roads as possible, iRacing for pure racing goodness.
Nice thorough dissection.
tbh I was a bit jealous about people being able to play GT7 as I would love to just race some dailies and maybe try get into some (low to mid) leagues. But I think if ACE has dailies I think many rookie players might try going into multiplayer which will help sim racing in general as ACE will be something for people who might try a sim instead an arcade and not get overwhelmed too much. So I guess if someone new to sim racing might like ACE he/she also might try other sims as well. Every new Sim opening up the market is always a good thing as it will push more people into a genre that once was called niche gaming. iRacing might keep the biggest market share, which is completely fine for people who want to go all in. But having so much opportunities to play it will keep the overall player count high for a long time. So I will keep greeting every new sim-racing entry if it's well made and still fun (and hard enough) to drive.
Umm what? Lol they all compete its why we have players everywhere on all sorts of sims. Thats competition and it takes away players from other games. Thats how this works. Ive seen acc players that came from iracing ive seen acc players go to iracing. It just happens lol.
I play both tbh its def not so cut and dry as people make it out to be. All of these brands and or titles are in competition with eachother at all times ask any dev or maker that's just how this works. Even if we want to believe it isnt.
@@reviewforthetube6485 see I don’t think they will compete that much because there are different reasons to have both games. I go into it a bit more in the vid
This is a good analysis. iRacing does a good enough job, so it's currently where the stiffest and most competition is. To change that, it's not enough to release a new game that's as good as iRacing, or even a bit better - you have to release something that's a lot better, and sustain it long enough for people to jump ship.
Apparently ACC has a major hacking issue with speed and grip hacks that couldn't be patched out even to this day. So if AC EVO possibly has the same vulnerabilities, this game will never compete with iRacing in terms of Esports.
Comparing EVO and its possible online capabilities to AC1 does not work because with AC1 so many of the upgrades are from user made mods which online all of the game needs to be a standardized version of the title being used for fairness and competitiveness.
ACC with LFM did well and had quite a few top you tube racers racing the different leagues and series with a good following.
The holdback for a wider audience was the narrow scope of only GT3 races and just the circuits they raced on.
Even GT7 on the console base started out doing pretty well with its online racing attempts but with less than stellar matchmaking, along with poor control and racers allowed with getting away with bad driving and wrecking other racers to advance position with little to no penalty many of the racers over the years lost interest and gave up on the online portion of Gran Turismo.
What AC Evo will offer we still are in the dark, BUT if they offer multiple classes/ disciplines and eras of racing even with a solid 3rd party conducting the matchmaking and race control and do so to a point of it costing the racers a lot less dollar investment than iRenting they could well be a replacement service for many aspiring online racers.
LFM and ACC showed that a great online matchmaking experience with online racing could be had outside of iRacing and EVO with its wider reach of available vehicles and probable circuits may well have the variety to pull it off to a wider fanbase of racers.
Kunos is a gaming studio and their best focus would be on developing the game and having a 3rd party running the online racing portion using the games full abilities may end up giving the best experience for the racers in the end.
Again the cost and investment factor cannot be disregarded here, if AC Evo can sell you a complete game with 100% of the content for $60 and then introduce later DLC packages of new car classes and circuits for $25 for the complete package and there was online racing as good as anything else available out there why would racers choose not to race there over somewhere that you need to buy a car and several tracks to race in one class for the current season at an even higher cost?
Nothing is ever to big nor too popular to fail and this includes iRenting.
I can’t be the only one who hates how the original AC feels, hopefully AC Evo is better
youre in the 10% i would imagine. i dislike it also but prob not in the same way you do
@@Minecraftlikeablawk I would imagine aswell, I like how ACC and iRacing feel but normal AC feels off to me
Title is AC Evo a iRacing killer? LOOOOL They dont/wont even compete with each other. Completely different concepts of racing. Evo would be more in line of competition with GT7 if anything... but even then still a MUCH smaller target demographic. Are people really thinking this? I know the video is saying what I am saying... but who was thinking this? lol
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I think that if Evo offers at least decent competitive racing then iracing will become a very tough sell to newcomers into the hobby, after all why would you want to pay so much for a sim with antiquated graphics and UI if you could have a better experience and only pay once? Especially if the driving model and physics will be realistic enough in Evo so that skills acquired in it will be transferable to iracing and/or real racing because then you'll be able to spend your first few months/years racing without costs and only go to iracing when you want get into esports and very few people actually get that far.
I don't think that Evo will "kill" iracing in fact i think that's impossible, but to me it seems that the overlap will be significant enough to affect it. That is if Evo really will be as good as advertised so time will tell.
And for everyone's sake i hope that Evo will be great and take some of the competitive scene because actual competition between high-skill simracing titles will bring improvements to both platforms.
Focus on you, not at your wall at the back
I have no idea what happened this vid I was hoping no one would notice lmfao
@@DJYeeJay Don't worry, that happens sometimes, on small screens it's hard to notice, but I see it in my 120 inches projection screen lol! so .. yep 😂
@@DJYeeJay Autofocus algorithms can get distracted by a background with lots of details, pictures, etc. The algos basically look at the distribution of colors and try to find the "sharpest" contrast through adjusting the focus, with some secret sauce regarding which regions to prioritize. There's a face on the poster of the background, which might not help.
Manual focus is usually how you gotta go. If you're using a webcam it can take some digging to find drivers/software that let you lock the focus, though. Sometimes you can click around in the camera source properties in OBS.
@@baadkeming thanks I’ll look into it. I have manual focus on usually in the Logitech ghub but it might’ve reset on me
The game isn't out yet and someone is already saying stuff
There is a large bunch of people you simply will not get off of iRacing. Even if you do everything right and give them everything iRacing can give them.
The first main reason for those people is money. They spent so much on iRacing they need to justify it. Either with track and car purchases, or subs, even at discounts they have spent 10 times more than any other racing game. They then make so many mental gymnastic based excuses that really are just excuses to justify their personal preference. And they will keep to those excuses even if you give them something better. It will take a while for them to move on forward. Just like we saw the same exact behaviour with WoW players back in the day. Took them nearly 2 decades to move on. Like seriously, there were much better options out there for many years.
One example of excuses, "a ranking system!!!!"....
This is just a mindset. You can have a ranking system in other communities as well, ELO, and even get into esport leagues that are not for iRacing alone just fine. Then they make more excuses, "but this is part of the game!", and so the list goes on. 95% of the iRacing players are NOT going pro, sorry to tell you that, and you never will, because there are so many great drivers and the competition so fierce only the top 5% is doing it. The rest really are just making excuses over their feeling of being part of an "official community"....
When end of the day what people care about is the race, aside from the competition. That is all.
LFM has its own ELO system too for example. Not good enough because its on a platform outside of the game, right? lol.
Meanwhile, the whole of iRacing feels like you are in a browser to begin with with its client form launcher, LOOOOL. Its the most "in the game without being in the game" excuse of a design I have ever seen. When I tried it out I honestly was shaking my head thinking of all the mental gymnastics all the iRacing fans were making and I came over to see what was what.
Oh, and btw, iRacing ALREADY doesn't have the most realistic physics and has several issues..... See any iRacer ever care? Nope... On the contrary they will stick to the notion that it has the best "all around" physics ever.... Always changing goal posts, and also making untrue statements. Even more so, excuses like "graphics are not important"... Well, id say for immersion they are important. The more I feel like I am AT the actual location I am racing, the better. As a sim racer, I want to feel like I am actually there. Does that mean I dont want real physics? It does not. Its not a this OR that situation. We are living in a time where we can have both. Anything less is an excuse.
Anyway, they can keep making as many excuses as they want, each to their own in the end. It matters little. There is already a huge community waiting for ACEvo as it is. It doesn't need iRacing fanatics. Meanwhile there are PLENTY iRacing players that are normal human beings as well and guess what, they can play BOTH games. omg, what an idea, right?
iRacing 2 could kill ACE, but ACE won't kill iRacing
I will buy ACE and I am looking forward to it! but there is no chance I will stop racing iRacing for it, because I already know that it cant compete with the huge and great working multiplayer system. but it really doesnt have to.
As long as it provides a new platform for modded content and league racing ill be happy.
this is a verty good POV, and already have tought about this.
Kunos always said that they´re original passion for simracing was the passion for cars it self, and specially Grand Turismo style.
However, they now have the Esports dna built with ACC. So with this physics, with formula, GTs and other racing cars in the game, Im sure that will create its part of Esports too..but we will see.
For sure I agree will not kill Iracing, but I dont think its not going to make its way to the Esports market as well...but we will see
Not E-vo
It’s Ev-0
Seems like the dev kept correcting peoples pronunciation.
We'll call it american accent lol
Wait, you mean like "ee vee zero"?
or maybe ev zero
Lancer E-VO
E-VO FGC Tournament Series
Lamborghini GT3 E-VO
It's E-VO. The devs can say whatever they want. But the word already exists and we say it in the US like E-VO.
@@litarea no. I keep hitting zero when I mean to hit O. In any case it’s not good. Either my fingers are getting fatter or my eyes are getting worse. Perhaps both.
Ac evo going for the masses and also the sim crowd, could be the biggest racing game ever made, when its proably going to cover everything, iracing is quite limited to esports only, could not care less about it to be honest. I am so tired of most Sims, doing pretty much the same thing, just online focus, and just pick a car and track, glad ac evo will do something different and more groundbreaking.
There will be so much more depth into ac evo, could be the goat of all time if its done right
100% agree . Finally a voice of reason regarding EVO! I'll even take it a step further by saying I think the sim racing community so desperately wanted and needed EVO to be a game changer such that there is some sort of strange mass psychosis groupthink going on right now in reaction to the pre-alpha. Maybe the cognitive dissonance is just too much for people to admit it's a disappointment.
EVO, to my disappointment, is not at all a game changer. It completely lacks the innovation that I was hoping for. It's the same old same old; a rehashed version of everything we've already had. Gosh, was I hoping for something different after all this time. The sound sucks, the physics needs a whole lot of work, and the graphics, while slightly improved, are not at all on-par with the next-gen graphics that we are seeing in some of the soon-to-be-released titles in other genres.
Of course, I'm still going to buy it.
Preach. Thanks for cutting thru the hype
I'm still hyped though just for a different type of game to iracing
Doesn't take away from the hype. It's okay to play and enjoy more than one sim, no need to try bring down one over the other
Honestly I HOPE it isn't an iRacing killer. I'm still waiting on a game that has a good single player experience AND a proper career mode that doesn't leave me considering picking up PC2 again. Assetto Corsa doesn't count when it has an AI that poops its pants when it literally touches grass or needs to do a 3 point turn. If AMS2 had a full blown career I wouldn't really need anything else. iRacing and ACC are the de facto multiplayer sims by a mile.
iRacing's multiplayer and competitive structure are unmatched. Still, even if a game is released with far superior multiplayer whilst ticking and surpassing all the other boxes, a lot of people have spent so much money on iRacing, that you would never be able to pull them away, even the thought of people switching and lowering the player base might make them annoyed.
That said, even coming close to matching iRacing's infrastructure, multiplayer, organisation and planned events is a hill that I don't think anyone will climb any time soon. While I believe the financial aspect will always be a factor in keeping people from, in some cases, even giving another game a chance, there is a reason those people spent that money to begin with. It is for all the reasons listed in this paragraph.
I just want to say that server hosting costs basically nothing. I’m sure it cost a decent chunk in the mid 2000’s, but the price has gone from thousands of dollars to tens of dollars. My bet is iR pays less today with their much more massive player base than they did when they started out small. If people were charged what the server hosting cost today (split by the player base) I would have much less of a problem with the cost of content, because instead of being charged $110 a year each person would be charged probably $2-10 a year.
EVO hasn't sold me at all. I play ACC, AMS2 and LMU. I have iRacing, but sorry not sorry......it's not enjoyable at all. Stopped at "C" license. Once my subscription runs out in January, I will not be renewing it. Alot of the bad car sounds and dated graphics turn me off. I don't do Dirt, or Oval, so I don't really care about that aspect of it.
AC, ACC, LFS, AMS2, Project Cars 2, rF2, LMSU, R3E
These are all games that have come out while iRacing is around
All games I have been told through the years are superior to iRacing
I still don’t see where the lack of competition is. It’ll be like saying World of Warcraft will get cheaper with competition and then watching FFXIV take over.
I don’t think people understand economics… the only real way to make competitor to iRacing is to make a more expensive product that can allow you to put more resources into being better, which would then make a more expensive product than iRacing
I think AC EVO doesn't want to compete with iracing.
Plus there are many aspect of the game which are still unknown and unrevealed so far.
Many features will also be added in the future after the Early Access.
I think it's too early to compare anything.
I doubt anything will ever dethrone IRacing and their Laser scanned tracks..
Agreed. None of those 5 points are things that make iRacing compelling, and personally aren't things I care about either.
Finally someone who is actually adressing this issue, people complain SOOOO MUCHH about Iracings payment model saying "Its horrible" and stuff like that, I would like to hear their response to when they realize its been the leading online sim for over a decade. Hm? Maybe that payment model isnt too bad? Ofc Iracing will lose players for like 3 - 4 months due to the game being hot off the press. But ultimately, Iracing is the king and will continue to be.
iracing is not for kids. sure if you have constant income and pay every month then its not a problem. those other games are simply not that expensive like iracing and they are for everyone
Iracing has players that's the only thing it has over other sims. you know their model is predatory when LFM/Studio397 can provide a similar service for free
Maybe a lot of players have invested a lot of time and money into iRacing and I think this is also a way to keep players in the game.... Right now ACC is so much fun for me so I wouldnt even consider touching iRacing.
Disagree when you say Evo won’t have any impact on the iRacing player numbers. I’m a very casual sim racer, I bought the equipment a few months ago and love the hobby but don’t feel like I have enough time some weeks to learn the tracks well enough to join online races. If evo is good enough to scratch my casual itch I’ll probably drop my iRacing sub.
ima be honest, this video is the first time ive heard of Assetto Corsa Evo..
Genuine question, how? ACE in the sim racing world has been doing serious rounds since it was announced.
iRacing doesn’t need AC Evo to kill it. iRacing’s pricing model and safety rating system will take care of in due time. You can also add crappy graphics and tire model to the list. iRacing has basically gone down a similar path as NASCAR. Maybe iRacing will start issuing charters next? 😂
Unless something actually competes with iRacings matchmaking system then it's not going to die.
8:30 I am not sure I agree with this statement. Is there a data how many iracers are there with the only goal to become PRO?
Maybe not many but it almost acts like a seed that the rest of the user base grows around
assetto have competitive, but for drift... for racing assetto need track's first, than it need matchmaking and its done.
regarding your iracing servers cost point ... that's not how that works nowadays. the servers are spun up on demand and you basically pay for the computing power you actually use. if they are paying for empty Brazilian Stock practice servers for example then their IT infrastructure team should be fired.
Comparing online video comparisons between two games, one that is built entirely around online racing, and one that is not. You wonder why AC has less racing competition videos? Come on dude this is about the weakest point that could be made.
Iracing is built for online competition OF COURSE there are more videos of online competition.
If AC had race control from launch; and was built for this then this would be an entirely different conversation.
I’m confused, what you said there is entirely my point? I think we’re in agreement lol
You are making a point that doesn’t need to be made. It’s
Like comparing who has more hard rock songs KISS or Taylor swift. Both musicians. Different things
@@Sir_Wellingtonwhile I disagree with how he got to his conclusion with looking at RUclips video view counts being conclusive, he is still definitely right, the casual gameplay does have a much bigger player base than the online competitive player base.
His way of showing us with view counts is flawed because cool scenery driving would be better for viewers on youtube than a random race which doesn't look as good or fun.
But his conclusion is right, AC is better to have very good support for casual players and decent outsourced online competition. I'd love it to be both in house but for a studio they have made the correct decision.
Iracing which is the "holy grail" of online has currently online count of around 11k which is actually less than the original AC currently, a 10 year old game. This shows that casual gameplay on AC is still king, I know there's leagues but that would be a tiny percentage.
With Evo not having to use CM and other 'confusing" methods to get it to work properly and having better ffb and physics and proper they will get the player count in.
it is really 1000 to 2500 PER SERVER?!?!?!?! My God
I'm down for a gt7 experience.
Personally I don't think it will be a iRacing killer but I do think it would be the 2nd best Sim Racing game if not third
Iracing is like apple, no matter how much samsung and other brands try people always go for apple products. Reputation and brand is everything.
Hopefully iracings graphics update will be atleast decent... (When it finally gets released) I want this racing experience and not the driving experience but i am not willing to spent the money on a freaking game which looks like its from 2000 lol. I just cant.
Who even wants an iRacing killer anyways? Competition breeds innovation. Without devs pushing one another we get the same ubisoft slop releases every year. I’d say we’re in a good place rn lol
For road ill definitely be on AC, iRacing is really the oval sim lmao
I havent played ACC in like 1,5 years, my main sim is iRacing and sometimes LMU. Will i buy ACE, yes for sure! And race online on SimGrid and LFM. But will i leave iRacing, for sure no. iRacing is the holy grail of online races, no one does it better and ACE is not aimed at this.
i agree and i think its better like this bc i want a simulator to have fun not to do races, iracing its a good (or the best) simulator for races and i dont think i need something else if i want to race, but we all need a game like grand turismo in simulators bc their campaing is very enjoyable to play, plus u get 3 free roam maps with traffic without mods and tuning cars. i think this is what 70% of players in ac needs, its more famouse ac bc nohesi and this shits so yeah it need to be like this
Hope this doesn’t turn into your youtube shorts comment section…