Indoor wood boiler
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024
- What its like to pack wood into an Indoor wood boiler.
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Cool to see the indoor setups thanks for sharing!
Thanks
He's so polite that he says sorry when he bumps into his own camera. lol. Nice setup.
Sorry ;-)
You should have piped it primary/secondary and used a no/nc aquastat for automatic switch over, this would negate heat loss through the unused boiler when sitting idle. You left no way to isolate the expansion tank to check air pressure and ideally you should have someway to maintain a low limit in the wood boiler, a thermostatic 3 way valve would work fine. You are correct about the outdoor boiler, they have tremendous heat loss through the sidewalls and tubing. Also the indoor boiler is pressurized which negates the need for a plate exchanger. Nice job.
The oil boiler doesn't generally sit idle, It usually runs every AM or if I am away to long during the day. The Water in the oil boiler is like a heat mass so when all zones shut off it allows the water to "dump" to the oil boiler kind of a heat battery. Never seen a isolation valve installed on an expansion tank but I can see they could be useful. "you should have someway to maintain a low limit in the wood boiler" do you mean low temp or low pressure? it never goes low temp because the oil boiler kicks in, it should never gets low pressure because the pressure regulator should kick in. (although I run it with the feed closed now because it has glycol in it) It is a closed loop so unless there is a leak... After I fixed a small leak, I have never seen the pressure drop.
@@jmanatee they make a nice expansion tank valve that lets you isolate the tank from the boiler then remove the residual water pressure from the tank so you can get an actual air pressure reading. So many people just take a reading at the Schrader valve and don't realize they are just reading the water pressure. Expansion tanks will usually lose 1 to 2 lbs of pressure a year through the bladder
Love it!
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Very interesting! Is this a gasification boiler ? Now I have an indoor boiler in my garage with insulated pipes underground to my house, I like it it keeps the mess in the garage, but I do have to go out to fire. If I built a new house I’d have a basement with garage door so I could bring pallets of wood inside by the boiler.
Thanks for sharing
This is not a gasification boiler, I brought it with me from out old house. I like the idea of the garage door to the basement.
Hi there! Nice setup! Is that a Jensen 24B or 30B? I would be interested if you’re gonna post more videos on your setup!
Nice setup
Thank you
Nice video. I agree. I see loads of vids on outdoor units, but very few on indoor.
Mine is an indoor Clayton wood/coal-burning forced- air furnace. I do like some of the outdoor boilers, but I got mine just before the EPA new particulate rules went into effect. The rules gave manufacturers 4 months or so to clear old inventory. I got mine 1/2 price. It's a bit big for my house, but not by enough to matter. I just have to control the fire appropriately for the weather, and toggle between 1 fan or 2. But, yeah, I just go outside for 10 mins every other day or so with a wheelbarrow and get 2 loads of wood and I'm all set. All-night fires are nice!Love it.
I do want to get a battery back up power station to run the fans if power goes out, but everything else is non-electrical. The install required some know-how, and a few days effort, but even that wasn't too bad. I think this is the 5th year or so, and I'm already way past the break-even point. I'm burning 4 - 5 cords/yr and saving about $100+/mo.
A battery backup would be nice I really like indoor wood heating systems
Great video. The only thing I was hoping to see what the exhaust/smoke outside right after you pack a fresh fire. I would like to add an indoor wood boiler but don’t want to smoke my neighbors out.. or does the the smoke just exhaust out of your chimney?
This winter I will try to do an update video
I was not going to burn wood this year but with oil prices going up. Had a new Trio boil installed just like yours. So I hooked in my wood boiler. It is a down draft. The old set up I heated my hot water with it. The new set up they installed an electric 50 gal. tank. Now I'm burning wood, I'm not happy with that set up.
My wood boiler does not have a fan. I normally age my firewood. but seems I'm getting more creosote buildup. Would a fan help to stop that? Also bring wood boiler up to temp. quicker. PS: located in my basement. Love it.
Creosote build up is usually caused by not running hot enough. Mine has a fan and when the boiler gets to the low temp it turns on and runs until high cut off. If you can add a fan and an aquastat to control it I would give it a try. So far my trio boiler is doing good 12yrs old
Yes very elaborate
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I have a Jensen furnace just like that, but it's not used as a boiler. Has a heat exchange and a thermo fan with ducting.
I agree inside is better. The heat from the basement is very noticeable on your feet!
I have a question, what's the right model draft blower fan, ours went out last season.
I couldn't find the original or the specs on the original anywhere so based only on physical size I bought a Century U9460 70 CFM on amazon (not available there anymore),... I had to drill and tap new holes for mounting,,... It was way to aggressive, 35cfm would have been better, but I was committed so I bought a motor Speed Control and the was great because I could dial in the correct speed.
@@jmanatee thank you for the tips!!
What temperature do you run it at ? Any issues with creosote build up?
Low Fan On 150F, High Fan Off 165F, Overheat 195F (if overheat it turns on all zones until it falls below 190F, very rarely happens) with these settings, boiler usually sits around 165 - 170. I hold off the oil boiler until the wood boiler falls below 110F for 30 min (All of this is adjustable from a website I built)... I only burn very dry hard wood, Oak, Maple etc, I have a 30ft Metalbestos chimney this keeps the flue hot until it exits the top and I get very little creosote. I clean the flue every year into a 5 gallon bucket. I have been using the same bucket for 10+ years and the bucket is still less then a 1/4 full. Also once a week usually Sat Am I burn a very hot fire (lots of kindling, draft door open) and try to get the flue temp over 600F for 5 min and then close the door. I believe this keeps the creosote dried out and it doesn't build up.
Hi, nice video. I was wondering what is your setup. Does your boiler require a hot water storage tank to be recirculated or is the hot water from the boiler run directly through your radiators?
The oil boiler and wood boiler all circulate together there is no heat exchanger like most outdoor wood boilers.
I recently purchased a home with one of these. No clue if it works- trying to find info on them.
If someone capped the chimney for one, does that imply they were keeping it from getting critters in it over summer? Or that it is non functioning?
Any recommendations for diy troubleshooting before i call the pros?
Does it have water (boiler) or air ducts (Furnace) If it is a boiler make sure there is water in it. Take flue pipe off back and make sure it is clear all the way up and out. Start very small fire (kindling only) You shouldn't see smoke leaking anywhere and there should be a temp rise in the water. If furnace you should pull or open ducting before small fire to make sure no smoke enters ducting.
You haven't seen a wood boiler until you've seen my brother's.
His is about 5 times larger than your's maybe even larger.
His house is about 40,000 sqft and had pipes running throughout the internal walls and floors of the entire house that are heated by his wood boiler.
It's pure insanity.
You can't see the pipes but man is it toasty in his house.
The pipes are also installed within every ceiling just like radiant floor heating.
It was 33 degrees outside and that's exactly where I slept outside because I just wasn't that used to that type of winter heat but my wife slept real good😅
Your brothers system sounds big, My neighbor kept his house at 85 in the winter. You would take your jacket off before you went inside. I don't like it that warm.
@@jmanatee Well be paid off the house years ago but due to his Furnace addiction to wood he is preparing to put it up for sale.
He already purchased a Yacht and is getting the family ready for a move to the North Sea.
You just can't keep stealing trees for your whole life😂
What’s your square footage?
2,464 sqft
This is the question I was looking for. I'm building a set up and have the opportunity to utilize one of these. What is your average low during the winter? My most available fuel is going to be spruce. Do you ever run coal?
Hi I am a electrical engineer and new home owner that have a oil boiler and I was thinking on doing the same setup. But I have a few question regarding how the two boilers are connected in the hot and cold water? Are they in parallel or in series?
parallel... For efficiency... in early winter and late spring when we need just a touch of heat in the mornings I can close the valves to the wood boiler and not have to heat it. Also with the wood boiler going and no zones on in parallel the oil boiler is heated by gravity (hot water rises in wood boiler drawing cooler water in from the bottom with no zones on the only place to circulate with is the oil boiler)
@@jmanatee thanks for sharing!
I have an indoor wood boiler in my old house. I want to use it more this winter but i have trouble controlling it. With the draft fan off it will still get hot enough to open the water pressure relief. Should i install a chimney dampener to try to control the fire better? I think my chimney is pulling a really hard draft all the time causing the fire to burn really hot all the time.
I have a very tall flue like close to 30ft of 6" metalbestos flue pipe, so I get a lot of draft, so I installed a Draft Regulator for wood stoves and I set it to almost no draft on the firebox this almost eliminated draft on my boiler fire. You need the fan to force air into the fire. I also added a Motorized Zone Dampers to the inlet to the fan. So when the call for fan stops the damper closes stopping the air bypassing the fan. When the aquastat calls for fan it powers the Motorized Zone Damper and when the damper opens all the way it turns on the fan. Hope this helped
I never understood why you would have an outside boiler. You lose heat that way. What’s the name of that disconnect wood stove to the right?
Its an "Old Mill" I think its an OM35 model... It is my backup heat if we loose power for an extended time. I would disconnect the wood boiler and I have the flue pipe to connect the wood stove.... I have heated the house with it in the past.
@@jmanatee we had a heater that looked like that in Michigan called a fisher that’s my favorite style wood heater I live in Abbeville South Carolina now still heat with wood there’s a lot of it around here
Because you can load once or twice a day with that boiler someone would have to be home all day. I can get a 24 hour burn out of mine if I want to but normal load it before work and before I go to bed . There pros and cons to both.
The traditional OWB is designed to smolder. I get it if the need is to heat multiple structures but it's a disgusting design and creates a bad image of people who burn firewood.
What is to stop these from over firing due to excessive draft and blowing up the whole house?
There are a few things to keep the boiler from over heating.
The air intake has a normally closed damper so if power is lost it it spring driven closed. This is always closed unless the controller is calling for more heat. A small motor drives the damper open and holds it open until the controller is satisfied.
The chimney has a draft reducer so draft doesn't draw air into the firebox. The firebox needs air pushed by the fan to increase the fire. The damper has to open fully to close a switch to turn on the fan.
In the event of an over heat my controller will turn on the four biggest zones in the house dumping excess heat from the boiler to the house. This does occasionally happen usually in early fall or late spring when outside temperatures are less predictable and I build to hot a fire in the morning and it ends up being a very warm day. I have two stages of this, over bump and over dump. Over bump - if the temp gets to 5 degrees below over heat heat temp it it will turn the 4 zones on for 10sec off for 50sec and repeat this until the temp drops to 7 degree below overheat. If the temperature continues to rise and it hits overheat it turns on the 4 zone full time until the temp drops below over heat when over bump will take over until the temp is 7 degrees below over heat.
And last but not least all boilers have to have water pressure release, if all the other safeties failed and the boiler was to run away. The wood boiler has a water pressure release at 30psi. If this was to fail the oil boiler has a water pressure release at 30psi.
It is pretty safe.
Elaborate set up, Btw, are the bags in the wood heap sawdust or charcoal?
Thank you, The bags are charcoal, I tried burning it for a bit but the boiler didn't like it
Lookslikeafisher
It does look like a fisher but I think it is an Old Mill Probably a fisher knock off
But u can still burn your house down with a chimney fire
Yes that is possible, Any fuel burning device (oil furnace, wood boiler, wood stove, pellet stove, fireplace) has the potential to go wrong.... We always try to minimize that risk, I have an insulated Metalbestos chimney and there is very little creosote buildup. I clean the flue every year into a 5 gallon bucket. I have been using the same bucket for 10+ years and the bucket is still less then a 1/4 full.
With 98% of house fires caused by electrical problems I'm sure he will be ok.
wow did you ever here this I was at a cabin and their was no more seats thieir was a drunk girl and with out thinking she sat on the blazing hot wood stove and she got up in a hurry
No but I believe it