And if you're rejoining after spinning, might as well just wait and check. SO many people just rejoin the track and then hit each other. "But that way i'll come last" - to which my response is "if you're good, you'll overtake them back. And it's better to finish 10th than to not finish at all". I've had a particular race where started P2, I spun in T2 in the first lap and eventually caught up again and finished second anyway
@@OriginalKKB was in a 150 lap race gen 6 at auto club. 24th lap a caution comes out. Guy got in the left rear of another guy. There was a guy behind me that wasn't slowing down at all so I knew I couldn't or I'd get killed. Also had a run on the high side. Was expecting em to roll up the track but he didn't so I did a last minute evasive manuver and just barely tagged em but that friggin car just clobbered me. He got hit driver's side door and went for a wild ride. I went hard into the wall and took 35 minutes of repairs and was way down on power
This video should be mandatory for all sim racers, great points all valid. The only thing I would add is to be aware of the relative, any decent racer will know when it’s time to let them by, you fight and more often than not you will come out second best knowing the driver behind is much quicker. 👍🇦🇺
I think I'm extra careful and mindful of others because I'm a novice. I started sim racing only a little over a year ago, (being 30 years old, my progress has been slow, but steady, unlike a naturally skilled teenager who can become an alien in a year) so I'm always actively avoiding crashes, dive bombing, and being overly aggressive, my main goal in every race is not spin, not crash into anyone and finish. Whenever I fuck up, and I'm bound to do so from time to time, I always give the position back. I hate the idea I ruined someone's race, even if not on purpose
Same. Especially if you're in the lower tiers, you just want to finish without crashing. I remember trying iracing for the first time, bought a month on a burner account and reached class D in 4 races. I wasn't particularly fast, but I wasn't slow either (I believe I average around P6), because of the 4 races I only had one single 4x of a guy who dive bombed on the first lap and pitted me. Nevertheless, I don't try to win the race, because I know I don't have the time, energy or even the objective to be an alien at any racing game. I enjoy racing and I enjoy having close battles, even if it's for P13.
@@pedrosilvaproductions yeah, in ACC I won some CP American server races, but the level is much lower than LFM, where the best I've got was p2, though in split 2. I've got enough pace to follow the pack and I've had so many fun races.
'Alien' level is not about age, it is about practice and responding to feedback. As we all age there are physical changes to our body but the ability to learn does not change. The idea we are less able to learn as we get older has been scientifically debunked by many studies. Even at ninety years old our brains have 98% of the cells we had when we were twenty; many more than we had at thirteen years old. The reason for the apparent reduction in the ability to learn is as adults we have more responsibilities which take away the time needed to learn or perfect a particular skill.
The final point about yielding the position if you cause a punt is such an old school sim racing thing from way back in the days of racing with mates in leagues. I’ve done it a few times in iRacing where I caused trouble and said sorry, then waited to let the victim back past me, even if we both lose a ton of spots. Doing so really teaches you consequence, similar to in real life where a similar incident would lead to an avoidable contact penalty and a drive through the pit lane. You don’t see it too often in iRacing though, these days it is all about racing with strangers and worrying about your iRating, and too few people are gentlemanly enough to redress or own up to their mistakes. The common unintentional rear-end tap leads to a dump and run almost every time now, with no apology or lube or even a reach-around.
I slightly disagree on the waiting after causing a spin. In a lot of cases, my tyres are fried, both of us knows what happened, and they might as well carry on and make the most of their race. So I'm undecided. There are other situations that make sense to wait or give the situation back (smaller, less perilous spins where you can keep on racing rather quickly, give back the position on the next straight).
Two of my main tips for newbies: 1) Pick your battles. If there's a lot of time left in the race and the car behind you has quickly caught you from several seconds back, you're only going to cost yourself and the other driver time by fighting tooth and nail, along with increasing the risk of an accident. It only costs a couple of tenths to breathe off the throttle on a corner entry and live to fight another day. And sometimes another driver up ahead won't be as smart and, as a result, will fight the faster driver you let by and cause them both to wreck, giving you freebies. I've literally won races I had no business winning because I'd be running 2nd, let the 3rd place car by, then they get into it with the leader and wipe them both out. 2) Be predictable. This is especially important in multiclass racing, but applies to any kind of racing. Just run your line when faster traffic is coming and when other cars are around you. Trying to dodge out of the way in an unpredictable manner causes more harm than good.
When defending, choose how you want to defend a corner before you get there. Reacting to an attacker that is possibly almost right along side you is unpredictable and likely to ruin your race as much as his/hers. You're allowed to choose a defending line, and make one move back to the racing line without getting anyone too aggravated. Be mindful of other drivers. #2: before you start a rant after an incident, check the replay and watch from the other drivers cockpit point of view. Many times the incident will turn out to be not malicious at all or perhaps even your own fault, and how stupid would you feel if you started slagging off at the other driver. Check the replay.
Yeah I always shut my yap until I check the replay. The only thing worse than feeling guilty about a crash is having to accept you were wrong about the cause 😅
I agree. Check the replays from all involved or close. I have been amazed watching myself make a bad move. Then review the replays from a few more views to correct my mistake. It is a learning opportunity.
wish more people button mapped indicators they're so looked over but extremely useful letting people know what side you gonna pick to let them by & its always nice to use them as hazards to say thank you for being let through great advise and video dave
But they also have to understand how to use them. Some people indicate the side the car behind shall go, which is totally wrong (saying i blink right and stay left to let the car pass on the right...).
I've always done all of this. It's sad how few do though. And even worse they don't even feel bad if they punt you off. One additional point of etiquette: Read the stinking blue flag rules. Too many people wrongly think you're required to get out of the way. I've even seen guys with text chat buttons mapped saying "blue flag get out of the way!"
I think I go by the same principles. Maybe 1 thing that I missed is never to judge a incident when you are full of adrenaline. When I’m involved in a incident, a always watch the replay. So you can understand what happened during the race, and if needed you can apologize afterwards to a driver for your mistakes.
Good stuff. Thanks for the reminder. I do find it a bit surprising that so many people have no idea about these things. This is a prime example and reason why you are such a good ambassador for the sim racing community. Thanks for the content.
please dont move off the racing line to let people past in multiclass much better to be predictable, i know hes talking about hot laps but i can see people thinking this is what you should do being lapped
Thanks Dave, one I would add, although maybe not etiquette just advice is, pick your battles. If there is a guy catching you, he is 1.5sec a lap faster (maybe he has had a 1st lap incident and is coming back through) your race is not with him, no point starting a full on defence, let them get on. It will work out better for both parties.
One of the important aspects about multiclass racing is being predictable, both for faster cars and slower cars. I see too many people in multiclass jumping and diving all around the track when a faster car comes by, causing unnecessary crashes. slower cars are expected to hold their line, such sudden moves are always dangerous.
100% agree, but as someone who is usually in the slower car during multiclass stuff, sometimes its hard to keep to your line if the quicker cars are being unpredictable themselves. Ive had LMP2s do some ridiculous things while trying to make a pass on me and other GT3 cars. It just depends who you're racing with tbh, some LMPs know how to be patient and make smart overtakes, and others think that they own the track and that all slower class cars aren't worth giving respect
@@celica825 lmps should stop diving gt3s like they don't matter. They should learn to slot in behind the gt3 and wait for corner exit, or go around the outside
Dude faster cars do this same thing. I've been taken out far more times by an LMP2 car making a last second dive than I've ever taken anyone out staying on the racing line. It's like the LMP2 guys just assume they are the only ones racing and are entitled to make sloppy overtakes that ruin other drivers laps (or races)
It's the faster cars that cause most of the problems. Diving for the inside line at the last second just expecting the slower car to move out of their way
Thanks so much for putting a video out like this Dave! Often times I feel fellow racers don't do a fantastic job in remembering other people are also running their own race. A lack of respect has been lost in so many games that it's nice to see a reminder of how we should all behave! Cheers for that.
I love that you've posted a video like this as people in the sim community have such high respect for you - so hopefully they will listen to you too! The ONE area I perhaps disagree with is whether you should let someone back in front if you punt them. This is racing. Sometimes in racing you get taken out. No one (usually!) means to take you out but when you invariably get turned round on track you take it as your unlucky day. But on other occasions you'll benefit from little mix ups. It all balances out in the wash. It's kinda like whether you should walk as a batsmen in cricket if you know you've nicked one through to the keeper. Some would say the noble thing to do is to walk. But personally I'd just stay out there and take it as my lucky day, knowing the umpire will give me a dodgy decision in another innings. Again, it all balances out. The ONLY time I would maybe consider letting a guy back is if it ended up a one v one situation in the dying laps and I really, really make a bad error and spin someone. If it's really bad driving, and I'll only lose one spot giving back the place, then I'd consider it. Keep up the great vids mate, your channel is easily one of my fave sim channels on RUclips.
Realising it's a game, a pastime, something we do for fun helps. Keep it in perspective. Yes, there's gamification with safety ratings and other ratings to gain or lose but really will it matter in a weeks time if you do the right thing and lose a few places. You can always get it back. The fanatical obsession with increasing ratings can mean some people take chances that are not appropriate and usually end badly unless every other driver over compensates for them. I'm a slow driver and now when online I err on the side of caution. Let faster drivers through and rejoin when definitely safe, even if that means I come last. When I tried to win at all costs I really didn't enjoy the races as much as it was spinning out or making contact ruining my race and that of others around me. By focusing clean racing and doing the right things I'm enjoying sim racing even more. Then again I'm playing mainly ACC on PS4 and according to Dave it's floaty so it's not my fault when I miss an apex or punt someone ;-)
Completely agree with everything stated. I do add one thing in there with the flashing of the headlights. I also tend not to use them, but if I am coming up on a backmarker, I give them the time to notice I am there. If I go through a corner and either set them up for a pass or get a good run going out of it and they defend, I will flash my lights to remind them not to battle me. My main gripe overall though and something I stick to is holding your line when being lapped by either the same class or faster class. This week for instance is Mid Ohio for IMSA on iRacing. Very small and tight track with no room for people to randomly check up to let someone go by, except on the main straight. Too many slower guys are too cautious and in doing so are causing half the incidents when all they need to do is drive their line and keep their speed. My rule of thumb is always the same, run your line and don't check up at all until the faster car has made their move. This is very simple to do and easy to read, whereas trying to just get out of the way and let everyone go all the time causes unneeded stress and leads to wrecks. Same goes for the faster drivers though, be predictable and don't make crazy sends. When coming up on a slower driver, if you do not have the speed to be alongside them before the point of turn in, don't send it. Just be smart, tuck in, and get a good exit to get by them.
One more you might have added Dave is lapped car etiquette. So often you see cars that are being lapped fighting the car lapping them, all it does is slow both of you down and gets both drivers riled up. It is so simple just to come out of the accelerator on a straight and let the lapping car by, rather than holding it flat and forcing them to overtake at a corner. That will just slow both of you down and increases the chance of contact.
Thank you Sir! Just started sim racing a few weeks ago and I really respect your sense of fair play and decorum. I hope that this will help some more along their way.
I am the same. Started iRacing just under a month ago after watching Dave and a few other content creators. I know I am slow as I get used to each car and what they can do and how best to use each car on each track as they all require different ways of doing it. Watching Dave's vids for a couple of months before getting into it and seeing the 'right' way to race by using etiquette and knowing that no matter what you do, there are times where you just don't have the pace and best to just let the other person through instead of defending to the death. I think older drivers getting into it who have more real world driving experience are more cautious on the track and the younger drivers thinking they have something to prove (some RL racing drivers like those that get into the GT academy from Gran Turismo) have done it based more on results and final position than how many accidents they have caused. They also haven't driven a real car for as long (if at all) so don't really know how much respect you should give other drivers on the road.
that case, which you experienced in ACC that somebody was flashing unnecessarily, are punished by lfm when you report that situation. Clause 3.2.j. Flashing the headlights may be used to draw attention to a lapped vehicle. In a fight, the use of the flash is allowed to signal to the other driver that you are faster. Excessive use of the flash is not allowed and can be punished with a warning or penalty. Almost all etiquette rules are regulated in LFM
This video should be the official introduction for the Sport mode in GT7 ☝️. The lack of racing etiquette and regulations, and the stupid outside camera view is the only reason I had stopped playing it and is 75% of the reason I will be getting a PC and putting some time in iRacing. Thank you for uploading it Dave!!!!
Flashing lights is the only reason I do sim racing. Knowing it annoys and puts people off is the whole point of it. Marginal gains to get the best finish position.
If I get pole in a slower class with rolling start I like to leave a gap to the class ahead, about 5-10 secs, and generally that works out great. Sometimes though, p2 in my class decides to just go up to the back of the other class, and I have to then catch up so as not to lose 5 secs to them, and then get baulked by the back end of the faster cars (or their lap 1 incidents). I think the etiquette of staying behind (or at least alongside) the p1 in your class, even if they drop back from faster class, should be more widely known.
It’s why I like acc for the map and Color markers when someone is on a lap. I was using crew chief and race lab but it has been way more fun without overlays and just iracing spotter. Keep up the great work mate👍
One that kills me every time is drivers leaving pit lane right as you're heading into T1 on a flyer. I spend 2 laps prepping my tyres, managing the gap to the car in front and behind, and as soon as you're in the zone to hit the T1 apex, a car pulls out of the pit exit and totally destroys your rhythm. Track map and relative exists for a reason. PLEASE, time your pit exit accordingly in qualifying and practice sessions, PLEASE.
Hey Dave - what about a quick flash of the headlights to acknowledge something polite from the guy in front... example: your 'give a little wiggle of the car in appreciation'... a brief flash of the lights to kinda say 'you're welcome, good luck' sort of thing? I tend to do that in real life if I am honest...
Cool idea for a video Dave and I like the format you used. I think doing videos like these (if you enjoy making them) will definitely branch out your fanbase!
Great tips for the gentleman driver. I don't remember you covering the subject, but a short video on how to drive as the GTD in a field of LMP's and vice versa would be useful. Most drivers have problems with how to respond when a much faster car is suddenly upon them and others don't know how to respond when they suddenly come up on a slower car. Everyone wants to avoid a collision, however we all could use some tips for these situations if you have any. On another note, I'd love to use the Race Lab software but my computer says it contains some sort of malware. Perhaps it's just me being overly cautious with my computer, but I have trust issues with humans.
Holding your brakes when you spin should be #1. Especially when you’re perpendicular to the racing line and you roll forward of backward, you’re unpredictable and that causes incidents
Very useful tips, thank you Dave. Besides, you were absolutely right when you told me to try iRacing a few years ago. Last Christmas I started my journey, such a great experience. I might never win a race, but I learn so much about racing, well worth every penny I spent so far (lots of pennies though…..) Anyway, thanks for that too! Take care John
Great video Dave I used to be someone who flashs a lot the lights, but nowadays I usually use with backmarkers (only 1 to warn then) and for people who are leaving the pits just for them be aware of a faster car on track and for not crossing the pit line
Been watching randomly for a while now but I don't do iRacing or ACC and prefer open wheelers mysefl. But this video earned a sub from me because its a valuable, clearly worded general learning resource for all new (and a few experienced) Sim Racers. Good work. Hopefully this will be popular and there will be more.
I personally like to use headlight blinking as im commiting to an overtake to give every chance to the guy ahead to notice im there and making a move. Not while im behind but when theyve picked a line and im moving along side.
Very helpful video, even if I have already done a lot of the mentioned things unconsciously. Should be recommended to everyone who wants to battle in a fair, sportsmanship way online.
"messing up someone's hot lap". If someone truly wants to hotlap, one shouldn't do this in a practice session. Practice sessions are for training in race conditions to practice your runs or learning a track with cars around you. If its a busy lobby, chances are that you won't be able to do a completely clean lap anyways. I do agree it's a nice gentlemans gesture to make way so someone can do his lap (and i do this myself too) . But people are also in those lobbies to practice defending and overtaking, and are in no way obligated to make way so someone could do their "hot lap". Other then that. Solid stuff dave! Totally agree on many of the points.
In many leagues outside of iRacing (ACC being a prime example), sending textual messages during a race is considered bad form or even a penalised offence because it is distracting. Using hazard lights or voice (again if allowed by your league) is usually fine. Remember, what is considered good etiquette in one league or sim may be forbidden in another. Never whinge about how things are different elsewhere, apologise and learn the local rules. In real life most grade one and two tracks have official rejoin points for use after an off-track. I encourage all leagues and drivers to adopt them - think of all other locations as brick walls between the periphery and the track.
excellent video, as a newbie i cant believe how just outright rude some people are, its just a pixel trophies at the end of the day, you need to remember that there is still a real person on the other side of the screen
sry dave, i have no buttons left to map on my wheel for sorry and thanks, they are all bound to flashing my high beams its funny though, just come off two really dirty races and lost my temper tbh, didn't try to get even or anything, but i felt the few laps after were really ruining my race long after the incident which makes it clear that the problem is internal (barring damage to the car) racing is so mental, so easy to get tunnel visioned into any of the situations you've described and just going forward with it, im pretty good at not getting into that mental trap but man, i cannot handle dirty drivers in long format racing, its so frustrating. I love hard racing but i also enjoy racing. I think a lot of this is something that comes with time, patience, and maturity. Things not often lauded by our coaches and idols.
I usually flash my lights when I'm approaching a lapped car just to let him/her know that I'm behind and coming up to overtake soon. That, and if I spin, I'll flash the lights to let everyone behind me that I've spun and looking to get back on track asap
Superb video Dave. I know people used to laugh at the racing etiquette video in GTS & GT7. And yep, it would be largely be ignored by people playing the game. But the principles were correct and likewise in your video. I carried them through into GTS league races and iRacing. Sadly, I don’t see these principles observed much in iRacing either. And as for “big streamers” of GTS/GT7, very very rare for them give a place back for example.
Glad you put this one out. Some people are doing exactly what ya said and others need to learn to do what you said in the vid. Sorry and thank yous go a long way. We were all taught this as kids, come on fellas.
Live with your relative on, even if you're dead in the middle of the track, stay the hell there, don't move forwards with 4 cars 3 seconds away, crap yourself, then stick it in the reverse to really screw up everyone's plan at avoiding you :D
I think in general some of these principles are good in life ,showing respect, thank you,sorry,and understanding that mistakes happens to everyone. Like it
This video will defiantly help me a lot especially when trying to race clean. Also watching this as I just got done with my First GT3 Fixed win! and 3rd win overall on iRacing. Good video as always Dave.
all well and good mate but at the end of the day it's not the end of the world that some people seem to think it is when someone doesn't manage to control their car in the way that others expect. It's just a game and not worth crying about. You're a great driver and I'm terrible at it, I couldn't complete a race without crashing, braking late/early taking the wrong line or making some other mistake but I bet there's some that say I shouldn't race. I should race because it's fun, I don't take people out deliberately, but I'll probably cause an unnecessary commotion now and again! Good content, good bloke and good night!
Thank you Dave for this Video. It should be presented on iracing's Top Page. It's so annoying to get hitted from the back or taken out and some drivers not even think about apologizing...
You must have read my mind, I don’t have a pc or internet accept my my phone. But I play Forza 7. I race the AI as if they were people as in the future I hope to be online. sometimes I’ll make a move and get turned into and I ask my self if that would have been appropriate in racing online with real people. So this should be very helpful! Thanks Dave!
Now we must find a Way, that all the Millions of Simracer looking this Video ;-) I do all of that, but the last point, depends on how far away he is to come back. If i must stand 20 Sec or so, i dont wait, but if he close, i go slow. Well spoken.
Good Video and advice as usual Dave. I just wish most others had such a gentlemanly outlook like yours and the sim racing world would be a better place.
On point Dave! I think there should be mandatory training / testing on this type of thing before being allowed to participate in iracing official events. 😊
I’m a retired SCCA driver with 3 Championships under my belt, and I am constantly disappointed by sim racers who don’t know when to give up their position when being passed and will end up taking themselves and the car passing them out. If someone gets beside you, you can’t just crash into them, or run them off the track. You need to give them room to race. This is how it works in the real racing world.
I have a lot of respect for the mothers of those guys that are lapped (and not in an active fight for a position) that block the ones lapping him that are in a close fight for a position. When waiting for the guy you spun, don’t do like Dave did, stopping in the middle of the track :D, get out of the way. I usually give the guy some corners to regroup before going at it again, if he spun he most certainly overheated his tires.
I would add to the last tip, that if you gonna wait someone you spun infront, do it away from racing line. I know, that you trying to do good thing but you can ruin someone else race by stopping at the racing line or close to racing line
Thanks Dave, I hope many of those I've raced with watch and absorb your tips too :) I really hate the idea I might have ruined someone elses race, having been there a number of times myself, so always take great care in rejoining and close racing, apologising/thanking where relevant. In the first few laps I won't fight to defend a position if someone behind is clearly faster or very eager too. Why give an opportunity to be punted and ruin both our races. Later stages I might defend a little more, especially if they're flashing me ;)
getting your back up over people who flash the lights behind you , means that what they are doing is working, they are doing it to put you off, and if you are getting annoyed by it, then the tactic is working
I had a PoV video where I bumped into a car and could have taken the positon from him and chalked it up as hard racing, but I gave the positon back because I didn't feel right taking it from him that way. If I can't pass your clean, then it's not really earned. Another courtesy at for me is in Oval Races, if the race is down to 5 laps to go and I'm 12 or back, I just hang in there because at that point my Safet Rating is more important. I've seen cars cause wrecks just so they can gain a spot from 18th. Of course if I was in the top 10, it's a slightly different story, I'll put more of am effort to get to the next position. But why risk getting a 4x on the last corner to try and get 17th place.
Good points Dave but u "missed" a very important one......the never ending debate LMP2 vs GTE (GT3).....you could make a whole clip of that with the right etiquette....i drive mostly PDS and IMSA and every race i see the stupiest things....maybe an idea for the near future?
Lots of good stuff in the comments for when you make a part 2! Please add a section on flags and in particular the blue flag. So many people in Assetto Corsa public lobbies have no idea. When they see any flag it's like: "Skills challenge ahead, do you accept?"
This is all just common courtesy, or is it just me ? With that said, plenty of a-holes out there, don't beat yourself over it folks. It's easy to get angry, but just don't change the way you are. They get weeded out eventually.
i flash when someone has come back on track or is coming back on track in a wild way, or you see me coming and they're recovering from a mistake and trying to block and trying to kill us both. Oh you just said that.
Thanks for making this kind of video. I think there is also a difficult topic, self reflection. Often people are very fast at pointing fingers, and don't think about what they could have done. Off course, being punted is obvious. But the mistake might have come from someone else, what could I have done to avoid the contact or crash? Could be as simple as slowing down for a yellow flag! (Other video from you 😉) Cheers
Hi Dave, thanks for this video. I´m new in sim racing and played only offline because i have to learn and don´t want to make a wreckfest. But in the next weeks i will start online races and it´s good to know how to handle that.
One added request. If you spin out in the middle of the track, USE YOUR BRAKES! So many time just a rolling car causes chaos!
Grosjean let her rip i let her rip 😤
And if you're rejoining after spinning, might as well just wait and check. SO many people just rejoin the track and then hit each other. "But that way i'll come last" - to which my response is "if you're good, you'll overtake them back. And it's better to finish 10th than to not finish at all". I've had a particular race where started P2, I spun in T2 in the first lap and eventually caught up again and finished second anyway
Yes! Rspecially on ovals when they roll down the banking after putting the car in the wall.
@@OriginalKKB was in a 150 lap race gen 6 at auto club. 24th lap a caution comes out. Guy got in the left rear of another guy. There was a guy behind me that wasn't slowing down at all so I knew I couldn't or I'd get killed. Also had a run on the high side. Was expecting em to roll up the track but he didn't so I did a last minute evasive manuver and just barely tagged em but that friggin car just clobbered me. He got hit driver's side door and went for a wild ride. I went hard into the wall and took 35 minutes of repairs and was way down on power
It’s almost like “my day is going bad so I’m going to ruin everyone else’s”…some drivers sit on track wreaked for 2-3 laps 🤯
This video should be mandatory for all sim racers, great points all valid. The only thing I would add is to be aware of the relative, any decent racer will know when it’s time to let them by, you fight and more often than not you will come out second best knowing the driver behind is much quicker. 👍🇦🇺
I think I'm extra careful and mindful of others because I'm a novice. I started sim racing only a little over a year ago, (being 30 years old, my progress has been slow, but steady, unlike a naturally skilled teenager who can become an alien in a year) so I'm always actively avoiding crashes, dive bombing, and being overly aggressive, my main goal in every race is not spin, not crash into anyone and finish. Whenever I fuck up, and I'm bound to do so from time to time, I always give the position back. I hate the idea I ruined someone's race, even if not on purpose
Same. Especially if you're in the lower tiers, you just want to finish without crashing. I remember trying iracing for the first time, bought a month on a burner account and reached class D in 4 races. I wasn't particularly fast, but I wasn't slow either (I believe I average around P6), because of the 4 races I only had one single 4x of a guy who dive bombed on the first lap and pitted me. Nevertheless, I don't try to win the race, because I know I don't have the time, energy or even the objective to be an alien at any racing game. I enjoy racing and I enjoy having close battles, even if it's for P13.
@@pedrosilvaproductions yeah, in ACC I won some CP American server races, but the level is much lower than LFM, where the best I've got was p2, though in split 2. I've got enough pace to follow the pack and I've had so many fun races.
You say that now.. Wait until more races are pure disease to be in and you have to be an infected scrub to survive...
'Alien' level is not about age, it is about practice and responding to feedback. As we all age there are physical changes to our body but the ability to learn does not change. The idea we are less able to learn as we get older has been scientifically debunked by many studies. Even at ninety years old our brains have 98% of the cells we had when we were twenty; many more than we had at thirteen years old. The reason for the apparent reduction in the ability to learn is as adults we have more responsibilities which take away the time needed to learn or perfect a particular skill.
The final point about yielding the position if you cause a punt is such an old school sim racing thing from way back in the days of racing with mates in leagues. I’ve done it a few times in iRacing where I caused trouble and said sorry, then waited to let the victim back past me, even if we both lose a ton of spots. Doing so really teaches you consequence, similar to in real life where a similar incident would lead to an avoidable contact penalty and a drive through the pit lane.
You don’t see it too often in iRacing though, these days it is all about racing with strangers and worrying about your iRating, and too few people are gentlemanly enough to redress or own up to their mistakes. The common unintentional rear-end tap leads to a dump and run almost every time now, with no apology or lube or even a reach-around.
I slightly disagree on the waiting after causing a spin. In a lot of cases, my tyres are fried, both of us knows what happened, and they might as well carry on and make the most of their race. So I'm undecided. There are other situations that make sense to wait or give the situation back (smaller, less perilous spins where you can keep on racing rather quickly, give back the position on the next straight).
Two of my main tips for newbies:
1) Pick your battles. If there's a lot of time left in the race and the car behind you has quickly caught you from several seconds back, you're only going to cost yourself and the other driver time by fighting tooth and nail, along with increasing the risk of an accident. It only costs a couple of tenths to breathe off the throttle on a corner entry and live to fight another day. And sometimes another driver up ahead won't be as smart and, as a result, will fight the faster driver you let by and cause them both to wreck, giving you freebies. I've literally won races I had no business winning because I'd be running 2nd, let the 3rd place car by, then they get into it with the leader and wipe them both out.
2) Be predictable. This is especially important in multiclass racing, but applies to any kind of racing. Just run your line when faster traffic is coming and when other cars are around you. Trying to dodge out of the way in an unpredictable manner causes more harm than good.
When defending, choose how you want to defend a corner before you get there. Reacting to an attacker that is possibly almost right along side you is unpredictable and likely to ruin your race as much as his/hers. You're allowed to choose a defending line, and make one move back to the racing line without getting anyone too aggravated. Be mindful of other drivers.
#2: before you start a rant after an incident, check the replay and watch from the other drivers cockpit point of view. Many times the incident will turn out to be not malicious at all or perhaps even your own fault, and how stupid would you feel if you started slagging off at the other driver. Check the replay.
The key in your comment is “be mindful of others”. Too many people are inconsiderate of others around them. And not just in sim racing.
Yeah I always shut my yap until I check the replay. The only thing worse than feeling guilty about a crash is having to accept you were wrong about the cause 😅
I agree. Check the replays from all involved or close. I have been amazed watching myself make a bad move. Then review the replays from a few more views to correct my mistake. It is a learning opportunity.
I add one thing. If you have a triple monitor setup remember most don't.
The over defending on this game is next level.
Dave encouraging all the light flashers by telling them it's working on him and making him mad. :D
It's a 50/50 chance you will get caught up in the "madness" from Dave if you do that 😂
wish more people button mapped indicators they're so looked over but extremely useful letting people know what side you gonna pick to let them by & its always nice to use them as hazards to say thank you for being let through
great advise and video dave
But they also have to understand how to use them. Some people indicate the side the car behind shall go, which is totally wrong (saying i blink right and stay left to let the car pass on the right...).
I've always done all of this. It's sad how few do though. And even worse they don't even feel bad if they punt you off.
One additional point of etiquette: Read the stinking blue flag rules. Too many people wrongly think you're required to get out of the way. I've even seen guys with text chat buttons mapped saying "blue flag get out of the way!"
I think I go by the same principles. Maybe 1 thing that I missed is never to judge a incident when you are full of adrenaline. When I’m involved in a incident, a always watch the replay. So you can understand what happened during the race, and if needed you can apologize afterwards to a driver for your mistakes.
Good stuff. Thanks for the reminder. I do find it a bit surprising that so many people have no idea about these things. This is a prime example and reason why you are such a good ambassador for the sim racing community. Thanks for the content.
Thank you, really appreciate it 😁
please dont move off the racing line to let people past in multiclass much better to be predictable, i know hes talking about hot laps but i can see people thinking this is what you should do being lapped
Thanks Dave, one I would add, although maybe not etiquette just advice is, pick your battles. If there is a guy catching you, he is 1.5sec a lap faster (maybe he has had a 1st lap incident and is coming back through) your race is not with him, no point starting a full on defence, let them get on. It will work out better for both parties.
One of the important aspects about multiclass racing is being predictable, both for faster cars and slower cars. I see too many people in multiclass jumping and diving all around the track when a faster car comes by, causing unnecessary crashes. slower cars are expected to hold their line, such sudden moves are always dangerous.
100% agree, but as someone who is usually in the slower car during multiclass stuff, sometimes its hard to keep to your line if the quicker cars are being unpredictable themselves. Ive had LMP2s do some ridiculous things while trying to make a pass on me and other GT3 cars. It just depends who you're racing with tbh, some LMPs know how to be patient and make smart overtakes, and others think that they own the track and that all slower class cars aren't worth giving respect
@@celica825 lmps should stop diving gt3s like they don't matter. They should learn to slot in behind the gt3 and wait for corner exit, or go around the outside
Dude faster cars do this same thing. I've been taken out far more times by an LMP2 car making a last second dive than I've ever taken anyone out staying on the racing line. It's like the LMP2 guys just assume they are the only ones racing and are entitled to make sloppy overtakes that ruin other drivers laps (or races)
It's the faster cars that cause most of the problems. Diving for the inside line at the last second just expecting the slower car to move out of their way
@@Khosumi agreed
Thanks so much for putting a video out like this Dave! Often times I feel fellow racers don't do a fantastic job in remembering other people are also running their own race. A lack of respect has been lost in so many games that it's nice to see a reminder of how we should all behave! Cheers for that.
I love that you've posted a video like this as people in the sim community have such high respect for you - so hopefully they will listen to you too! The ONE area I perhaps disagree with is whether you should let someone back in front if you punt them. This is racing. Sometimes in racing you get taken out. No one (usually!) means to take you out but when you invariably get turned round on track you take it as your unlucky day. But on other occasions you'll benefit from little mix ups. It all balances out in the wash. It's kinda like whether you should walk as a batsmen in cricket if you know you've nicked one through to the keeper. Some would say the noble thing to do is to walk. But personally I'd just stay out there and take it as my lucky day, knowing the umpire will give me a dodgy decision in another innings. Again, it all balances out. The ONLY time I would maybe consider letting a guy back is if it ended up a one v one situation in the dying laps and I really, really make a bad error and spin someone. If it's really bad driving, and I'll only lose one spot giving back the place, then I'd consider it. Keep up the great vids mate, your channel is easily one of my fave sim channels on RUclips.
As I said, if I've made the mistake which causes someone to spin, I'd wait 👍
Flashing lights is annoying AF, people doing it just to distract and get passed deserve jail time
Realising it's a game, a pastime, something we do for fun helps. Keep it in perspective.
Yes, there's gamification with safety ratings and other ratings to gain or lose but really will it matter in a weeks time if you do the right thing and lose a few places.
You can always get it back. The fanatical obsession with increasing ratings can mean some people take chances that are not appropriate and usually end badly unless every other driver over compensates for them.
I'm a slow driver and now when online I err on the side of caution. Let faster drivers through and rejoin when definitely safe, even if that means I come last.
When I tried to win at all costs I really didn't enjoy the races as much as it was spinning out or making contact ruining my race and that of others around me.
By focusing clean racing and doing the right things I'm enjoying sim racing even more.
Then again I'm playing mainly ACC on PS4 and according to Dave it's floaty so it's not my fault when I miss an apex or punt someone ;-)
Completely agree with everything stated. I do add one thing in there with the flashing of the headlights. I also tend not to use them, but if I am coming up on a backmarker, I give them the time to notice I am there. If I go through a corner and either set them up for a pass or get a good run going out of it and they defend, I will flash my lights to remind them not to battle me. My main gripe overall though and something I stick to is holding your line when being lapped by either the same class or faster class. This week for instance is Mid Ohio for IMSA on iRacing. Very small and tight track with no room for people to randomly check up to let someone go by, except on the main straight. Too many slower guys are too cautious and in doing so are causing half the incidents when all they need to do is drive their line and keep their speed. My rule of thumb is always the same, run your line and don't check up at all until the faster car has made their move. This is very simple to do and easy to read, whereas trying to just get out of the way and let everyone go all the time causes unneeded stress and leads to wrecks. Same goes for the faster drivers though, be predictable and don't make crazy sends. When coming up on a slower driver, if you do not have the speed to be alongside them before the point of turn in, don't send it. Just be smart, tuck in, and get a good exit to get by them.
Give a position back after you punt someone on accident? Absolutely! I do it and it earns a lot of respect from folks.
One more you might have added Dave is lapped car etiquette. So often you see cars that are being lapped fighting the car lapping them, all it does is slow both of you down and gets both drivers riled up. It is so simple just to come out of the accelerator on a straight and let the lapping car by, rather than holding it flat and forcing them to overtake at a corner. That will just slow both of you down and increases the chance of contact.
Good etiquette is crucial for a proper good time racing. Truly a gentleman Dave, we appreciate you!
Just respect. Mutual respect is key to good racing and automaticaly includes all told.
Thank you Sir! Just started sim racing a few weeks ago and I really respect your sense of fair play and decorum. I hope that this will help some more along their way.
I am the same. Started iRacing just under a month ago after watching Dave and a few other content creators. I know I am slow as I get used to each car and what they can do and how best to use each car on each track as they all require different ways of doing it. Watching Dave's vids for a couple of months before getting into it and seeing the 'right' way to race by using etiquette and knowing that no matter what you do, there are times where you just don't have the pace and best to just let the other person through instead of defending to the death.
I think older drivers getting into it who have more real world driving experience are more cautious on the track and the younger drivers thinking they have something to prove (some RL racing drivers like those that get into the GT academy from Gran Turismo) have done it based more on results and final position than how many accidents they have caused. They also haven't driven a real car for as long (if at all) so don't really know how much respect you should give other drivers on the road.
that case, which you experienced in ACC that somebody was flashing unnecessarily, are punished by lfm when you report that situation.
Clause 3.2.j. Flashing the headlights may be used to draw attention to a lapped vehicle.
In a fight, the use of the flash is allowed to signal to the other driver that
you are faster. Excessive use of the flash is not allowed and can be
punished with a warning or penalty.
Almost all etiquette rules are regulated in LFM
This video should be the official introduction for the Sport mode in GT7 ☝️. The lack of racing etiquette and regulations, and the stupid outside camera view is the only reason I had stopped playing it and is 75% of the reason I will be getting a PC and putting some time in iRacing. Thank you for uploading it Dave!!!!
Fwiw: In GT7 you can change your view to your liking. Rarely do people use chase cam for “serious” racing.
Flashing lights is the only reason I do sim racing. Knowing it annoys and puts people off is the whole point of it. Marginal gains to get the best finish position.
I only flash after the race if me and another driver had a good fight towards the end
If I get pole in a slower class with rolling start I like to leave a gap to the class ahead, about 5-10 secs, and generally that works out great. Sometimes though, p2 in my class decides to just go up to the back of the other class, and I have to then catch up so as not to lose 5 secs to them, and then get baulked by the back end of the faster cars (or their lap 1 incidents). I think the etiquette of staying behind (or at least alongside) the p1 in your class, even if they drop back from faster class, should be more widely known.
From someone who hasn't sim'd in a year or two, this was actually very helpful - thanks for taking the time to improve the community and mindset!
Really enjoyed this thank you. Some really good baseline etiquette rules that everyone should take note of👏🏻
100% - this should be viewed before iRacing lets anyone on the service. :)
Great advice Dave. In 150 hrs of ACC ive had many accidents that werent my fault and 1 apology.
It’s why I like acc for the map and Color markers when someone is on a lap. I was using crew chief and race lab but it has been way more fun without overlays and just iracing spotter. Keep up the great work mate👍
One that kills me every time is drivers leaving pit lane right as you're heading into T1 on a flyer. I spend 2 laps prepping my tyres, managing the gap to the car in front and behind, and as soon as you're in the zone to hit the T1 apex, a car pulls out of the pit exit and totally destroys your rhythm. Track map and relative exists for a reason. PLEASE, time your pit exit accordingly in qualifying and practice sessions, PLEASE.
Hey Dave - what about a quick flash of the headlights to acknowledge something polite from the guy in front... example: your 'give a little wiggle of the car in appreciation'... a brief flash of the lights to kinda say 'you're welcome, good luck' sort of thing? I tend to do that in real life if I am honest...
Yeah that's fine 😁
Cool idea for a video Dave and I like the format you used. I think doing videos like these (if you enjoy making them) will definitely branch out your fanbase!
Great tips for the gentleman driver. I don't remember you covering the subject, but a short video on how to drive as the GTD in a field of LMP's and vice versa would be useful. Most drivers have problems with how to respond when a much faster car is suddenly upon them and others don't know how to respond when they suddenly come up on a slower car. Everyone wants to avoid a collision, however we all could use some tips for these situations if you have any. On another note, I'd love to use the Race Lab software but my computer says it contains some sort of malware. Perhaps it's just me being overly cautious with my computer, but I have trust issues with humans.
Yes I get the warning too. It's ok to use 👍
Treat people how you’d like to be treated and you can’t go far wrong. Another great video 👍🏻
Holding your brakes when you spin should be #1. Especially when you’re perpendicular to the racing line and you roll forward of backward, you’re unpredictable and that causes incidents
Very useful tips, thank you Dave. Besides, you were absolutely right when you told
me to try iRacing a few years ago. Last Christmas I started my journey, such a great
experience. I might never win a race, but I learn so much about racing, well worth every penny
I spent so far (lots of pennies though…..)
Anyway, thanks for that too!
Take care
John
Great video Dave
I used to be someone who flashs a lot the lights, but nowadays I usually use with backmarkers (only 1 to warn then) and for people who are leaving the pits just for them be aware of a faster car on track and for not crossing the pit line
Been watching randomly for a while now but I don't do iRacing or ACC and prefer open wheelers mysefl. But this video earned a sub from me because its a valuable, clearly worded general learning resource for all new (and a few experienced) Sim Racers. Good work. Hopefully this will be popular and there will be more.
Thank you Simon 😁
I personally like to use headlight blinking as im commiting to an overtake to give every chance to the guy ahead to notice im there and making a move. Not while im behind but when theyve picked a line and im moving along side.
Very helpful video, even if I have already done a lot of the mentioned things unconsciously. Should be recommended to everyone who wants to battle in a fair, sportsmanship way online.
"messing up someone's hot lap". If someone truly wants to hotlap, one shouldn't do this in a practice session. Practice sessions are for training in race conditions to practice your runs or learning a track with cars around you. If its a busy lobby, chances are that you won't be able to do a completely clean lap anyways. I do agree it's a nice gentlemans gesture to make way so someone can do his lap (and i do this myself too) . But people are also in those lobbies to practice defending and overtaking, and are in no way obligated to make way so someone could do their "hot lap". Other then that. Solid stuff dave! Totally agree on many of the points.
100% agree, but not on an out lap
@@davecamyt I missed that part
In many leagues outside of iRacing (ACC being a prime example), sending textual messages during a race is considered bad form or even a penalised offence because it is distracting. Using hazard lights or voice (again if allowed by your league) is usually fine. Remember, what is considered good etiquette in one league or sim may be forbidden in another. Never whinge about how things are different elsewhere, apologise and learn the local rules. In real life most grade one and two tracks have official rejoin points for use after an off-track. I encourage all leagues and drivers to adopt them - think of all other locations as brick walls between the periphery and the track.
Much needed video. I wish every sim racer watched it. I’ve had many flying laps messed up by drivers on out lap
excellent video, as a newbie i cant believe how just outright rude some people are, its just a pixel trophies at the end of the day, you need to remember that there is still a real person on the other side of the screen
I like the etiquette video after I mentioned it in a comment on your other video, haha. Let's hope it catches on! 😊
Great video. A lot of useful information (also in coments). I would have added another one: Do not cross the white line when you exit from the pits
Every simracer should watch this video. Good work. Thx
sry dave, i have no buttons left to map on my wheel for sorry and thanks, they are all bound to flashing my high beams
its funny though, just come off two really dirty races and lost my temper tbh, didn't try to get even or anything, but i felt the few laps after were really ruining my race long after the incident which makes it clear that the problem is internal (barring damage to the car)
racing is so mental, so easy to get tunnel visioned into any of the situations you've described and just going forward with it, im pretty good at not getting into that mental trap but man, i cannot handle dirty drivers in long format racing, its so frustrating. I love hard racing but i also enjoy racing.
I think a lot of this is something that comes with time, patience, and maturity. Things not often lauded by our coaches and idols.
I usually flash my lights when I'm approaching a lapped car just to let him/her know that I'm behind and coming up to overtake soon. That, and if I spin, I'll flash the lights to let everyone behind me that I've spun and looking to get back on track asap
Superb video Dave. I know people used to laugh at the racing etiquette video in GTS & GT7. And yep, it would be largely be ignored by people playing the game. But the principles were correct and likewise in your video. I carried them through into GTS league races and iRacing. Sadly, I don’t see these principles observed much in iRacing either. And as for “big streamers” of GTS/GT7, very very rare for them give a place back for example.
Great video! I can only agree with all your points.
Holding the brakes after a crash would be another one as well.
Glad you put this one out. Some people are doing exactly what ya said and others need to learn to do what you said in the vid. Sorry and thank yous go a long way. We were all taught this as kids, come on fellas.
Live with your relative on, even if you're dead in the middle of the track, stay the hell there, don't move forwards with 4 cars 3 seconds away, crap yourself, then stick it in the reverse to really screw up everyone's plan at avoiding you :D
2:04 jeremy races in the same league as me, pretty cool that i recognise him
I think in general some of these principles are good in life ,showing respect, thank you,sorry,and understanding that mistakes happens to everyone. Like it
This video will defiantly help me a lot especially when trying to race clean. Also watching this as I just got done with my First GT3 Fixed win! and 3rd win overall on iRacing. Good video as always Dave.
Congrats 😁
all well and good mate but at the end of the day it's not the end of the world that some people seem to think it is when someone doesn't manage to control their car in the way that others expect. It's just a game and not worth crying about. You're a great driver and I'm terrible at it, I couldn't complete a race without crashing, braking late/early taking the wrong line or making some other mistake but I bet there's some that say I shouldn't race. I should race because it's fun, I don't take people out deliberately, but I'll probably cause an unnecessary commotion now and again! Good content, good bloke and good night!
Thank you Dave for this Video. It should be presented on iracing's Top Page. It's so annoying to get hitted from the back or taken out and some drivers not even think about apologizing...
You must have read my mind, I don’t have a pc or internet accept my my phone. But I play Forza 7. I race the AI as if they were people as in the future I hope to be online. sometimes I’ll make a move and get turned into and I ask my self if that would have been appropriate in racing online with real people. So this should be very helpful! Thanks Dave!
Now we must find a Way, that all the Millions of Simracer looking this Video ;-) I do all of that, but the last point, depends on how far away he is to come back. If i must stand 20 Sec or so, i dont wait, but if he close, i go slow. Well spoken.
Good Video and advice as usual Dave. I just wish most others had such a gentlemanly outlook like yours and the sim racing world would be a better place.
Should be mandatory viewing for all. Great job.
On rolling start i would always stick to my assigned position until green light. Many drivers don't do that, it shows what kind of person you are
Missed an important one. Hold the brakes if you spin. Otherwise perfect video and well said as always Dave. Cheers brother 🤙🏁
Thanks for this video, I feel that we would all have a much better experience if racers are not anxious and just not keeping an eye on their relatives
A general rule of thumb is: Don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you. That's what I go by when I race
My biggest one is you on a good timed lap. Then a out lapper comes out and wants to race you , instead of just backing off and letting you go.
On point Dave! I think there should be mandatory training / testing on this type of thing before being allowed to participate in iracing official events. 😊
That’s the kind of Dave Cam content the world needs!!! Thanks!
This is a good video Dave. More sim racers need to watch this. GT7 drivers need to improve on driver etiquette
You're a right on guy. Thank you for putting this together.
I always thought since the load times are so long in iRacing that would be the perfect time to put up racing etiquette tips. nice video Dave
I’m a retired SCCA driver with 3 Championships under my belt, and I am constantly disappointed by sim racers who don’t know when to give up their position when being passed and will end up taking themselves and the car passing them out. If someone gets beside you, you can’t just crash into them, or run them off the track. You need to give them room to race. This is how it works in the real racing world.
I have a lot of respect for the mothers of those guys that are lapped (and not in an active fight for a position) that block the ones lapping him that are in a close fight for a position.
When waiting for the guy you spun, don’t do like Dave did, stopping in the middle of the track :D, get out of the way. I usually give the guy some corners to regroup before going at it again, if he spun he most certainly overheated his tires.
There was nobody behind 😁
I would add to the last tip, that if you gonna wait someone you spun infront, do it away from racing line. I know, that you trying to do good thing but you can ruin someone else race by stopping at the racing line or close to racing line
Thanks Dave, I hope many of those I've raced with watch and absorb your tips too :) I really hate the idea I might have ruined someone elses race, having been there a number of times myself, so always take great care in rejoining and close racing, apologising/thanking where relevant. In the first few laps I won't fight to defend a position if someone behind is clearly faster or very eager too. Why give an opportunity to be punted and ruin both our races. Later stages I might defend a little more, especially if they're flashing me ;)
Good stuff Dave......iRacing should take one day and turn off everyone's access..... until they watch this vid. lol
Respect slow drivers. Not everyone is fast.
Great stuff! I wasn't sure about the flashing lights in multiclass but that makes perfect sense. I try to abide by the other principles you mentioned.
getting your back up over people who flash the lights behind you , means that what they are doing is working, they are doing it to put you off, and if you are getting annoyed by it, then the tactic is working
And look/see 2 - 3 cars ahead, not only on the in front of you and don't cross the white pit exit line ! (Right Dave 😉)
This video should be compulsory before gaining an I racing account. Some really good tips
The one and only Gentleman in Racing!
Very good Video
I had a PoV video where I bumped into a car and could have taken the positon from him and chalked it up as hard racing, but I gave the positon back because I didn't feel right taking it from him that way. If I can't pass your clean, then it's not really earned.
Another courtesy at for me is in Oval Races, if the race is down to 5 laps to go and I'm 12 or back, I just hang in there because at that point my Safet Rating is more important. I've seen cars cause wrecks just so they can gain a spot from 18th. Of course if I was in the top 10, it's a slightly different story, I'll put more of am effort to get to the next position. But why risk getting a 4x on the last corner to try and get 17th place.
7:40 was a great example of how NOT to rejoin the track... by reversing back onto the racing line lol
Test session 👌
Nice one Dave, some good info there. I like the track re entry bit a lot and extending courtesy post punt.
Good points Dave but u "missed" a very important one......the never ending debate LMP2 vs GTE (GT3).....you could make a whole clip of that with the right etiquette....i drive mostly PDS and IMSA and every race i see the stupiest things....maybe an idea for the near future?
I did one on blue flags which kinda covered it 👍
Lots of good stuff in the comments for when you make a part 2! Please add a section on flags and in particular the blue flag. So many people in Assetto Corsa public lobbies have no idea. When they see any flag it's like: "Skills challenge ahead, do you accept?"
Already done a blue flag video 👍
@@davecamyt Well then thank you
This is all just common courtesy, or is it just me ?
With that said, plenty of a-holes out there, don't beat yourself over it folks. It's easy to get angry, but just don't change the way you are. They get weeded out eventually.
i flash when someone has come back on track or is coming back on track in a wild way, or you see me coming and they're recovering from a mistake and trying to block and trying to kill us both. Oh you just said that.
I flash my lights as much as I can (especially during a night) and I am not ashamed of it
Thanks for making this kind of video. I think there is also a difficult topic, self reflection. Often people are very fast at pointing fingers, and don't think about what they could have done. Off course, being punted is obvious. But the mistake might have come from someone else, what could I have done to avoid the contact or crash? Could be as simple as slowing down for a yellow flag! (Other video from you 😉) Cheers
Hi Dave, thanks for this video. I´m new in sim racing and played only offline because i have to learn and don´t want to make a wreckfest. But in the next weeks i will start online races and it´s good to know how to handle that.
Thanks for posting! Probably should be reposted every 6 months!