Give those electric cars a few years in the rust belt, all those electric problems that we see on gas cars will transfer right over to EV'S, parasitic drain on batteries, stuff not turning off, nasty crusty wires etc...the work never ends.
I have been a top notch auto body painter for 37 years . Our trade can not find workers . Our trade collage which had there graduation last weekend . Out of 9000 graduates only four people graduated in the auto body class . Mostly all medical and technology graduates I think it cost $36,000 for 18 months .
The problem with going electric is that it is being forced upon the companies and consumers by the government and the green movement. That’s not how innovation happens in the marketplace. Any technological advancement happens naturally by people choosing freely the product or service that they want.
You're correct, however the market has been artificially manipulated by oil and gas as well as the auto industry. It was common practice for them to purchase and suppress tech that would endanger their monopoly of the transportation market. This has gone on for a long time.
@@Bryan916 Yes sir it is. Science is on our side. The earth will continue to produce oil and natural gas no matter what. The tar pits that were pushed up by the earth was during the dinosaur era. Now if we have some type of catastrophic event big enough to change that then neither of us will be around to realize it.
@@bradleycrenshaw6778 I here you Brad your original comment is that fossil fuel is not going anywhere. Its not realistic to believe that because no matter how much oil is still available it doesn't mean that it can continue to be used, hence the movement toward electric power! Fossil fuel will still be used by NASA or may Air travel but for the most part its going to be electricity.
@@Bryan916 Man rapes the earth in two days what it took a million years to develop whether its oil or minerals. The mining alone for the contents of batteries for electric cars far out weighs the cost of fossil fuel. I wish we could be the Jetson's. Electricity has to be produced as you know we don't pump it from the ground and unless we turn every river into a hydro electric damn and make every rooftop in the world a solar panel the numbers just don't add up. We can agree to disagree and i will buy you a cold beer either way. again thank you for time and effort that you put into your channel. We live on opposite ends of the country but i believe we could so do some serious janking !!
Hello Bryan, I caught your video on why not to buy snapon tools. I have worked consistently on high performance aircraft for the military, commercial aircraft, manufacturing, and general automotive for the past 40 years, so I speak with some experience. Now to your point, as a tech in any field you decide what you need, do you need a 200.00 hammer probably not, but a great quality ratchet you do need. Do you need an expensive screw driver set, again user's choice. I have many different manufacturers in my box, but they all have one thing in common, they are tailor made for the application I use them in. I have had this conversation over the years, and just because you can go to a local toy store and pick up a free ratchet every time you break one is not I'm my humble opinion a reason to go with that brand. The fact is if you make your money with your tools you realize that ease of maintenance and time are your enemy's. A ratchet that performs like my Snapon makes the job a whole lot easier and faster, translating into more money in your pocket. There are areas you can compromise on, but sockets, wrenches and ratchets i would sayare not those areas. Being a tech means you are a problem solver, that said expensive tools from a technology based company, who does the engineering work to test what works the best for the tech on the ground is a company you want on your side. Any of the major manufactures do this, but I have put my tools through their paces, they do not wear out, they usually do not break, so I wind up selling them to new techs and upgrading to the newest ideation example is the dual 80 ratchet this helps my junior techs get started and and keeps me on the cutting edge. Tooling, especially Quality tools are expensive, no argument there, but with great respect I think the argument is flawed. If you buy tools of lesser quality I think your doing yourself a big disservice, additionally if you are not looking at all the major manufacturers you are not seeing all possibilities. In the end your tools will pay for themselves by the time it takes to do the job. That is just my two cents, with great respect tech to tech, kenney
My line of thought exactly. Coming from a computer programming background and getting back into automotive, I see a bright future for myself. Thanks for the video.
i dont think the switch to ev will impact mechanics much at all. 90% of the work we do has nothing to do with the engine. an ev still has everything else and will have new problems
The really hard part to swallow the most is a lot of mechanics tools and especially specialty tools will be obsolete..... let that sink in when your looking at a tool box of worth thousands of dollars now worth nothing.
It still nuts and bolts and electronics, lot of specialist tools such as wheel bearings and suspension joint pullers still function on hybrid and elec vehicles. Not a lot going be obsolete and what engine specific tools do become les used will be good 20 years gradual change . Reality is you need more tools and some specific for EV high voltage and full function scanners and scopes along with service data will be a total must . I still use timing light and carb tools occasionally, in professional use the tools pay for themselves pretty quickly ...
Well yes that is true of some items, diagnostics in particular are great examples of that. I still have my first snapon counselor 2 scope, now I have zeus. True the counselor is irrelevant but I keep it for nostalgia. The tools I speak of are the boiler plate items. Wrenches, sockets, micrometers, calipers and the like. True even sockets go obsolete, but things like flank drive and plus are marketing ploys. I have worked on everything from aviation to manufacturing to automotive. Some things change but the boiler plate stuff stays pretty much the same. I have for a example a ton of weldin gear, I have traded or sold almost all of it in over the years never lost a dime, replaced it with all the square wave because it was worth it from a technical point of view. Bottom line you have to make your inventory pay for itself. Keep up with what ever cutting edge you need. A great example is digital micrometers, good dial indicators, for me the technology behind all my trades, welding, machining, electronics are my passions for over 40 + years. So if your making your money, no matter how old they are and I have some over 40 they're never useless. Unless you buy every new blinky diode China puts out you always be ahead
Awesome video! Its funny, i can hear my grandfathers voice telling me that before mechanics came along you had blacksmiths. They put shoes on the horses..forged the wheels for the wagons and carriages. Then those horseless carriages came along and changed everything...lol Im 51 and have been an auto tech 25 plus years...started out in the dealership then went independent. When the economy fell in 2007/2008 i got out of wrenching. I drive trucks now. I still do some custom and restorations here and there...but the writing is on the wall and the clock is ticking......
Great video I can remember you telling me this two years ago. Hope no one takes the info you gave negatively but it is happening all over the world I think the next vehicle I purchased will be a EV don’t want to get left behind. Keep up the good job looking forward to your next video 👍🏾
I'm very excited about the future of electric vehicles. I've wrenched on cars my entire life. However I'm looking forward to owning a electric vehicle. I believe mechanics will still be needed.
I could be wrong, and I hope I'm not, but I think they will still need auto techs after 2035. There will still be enough combustion engines out there, however as time goes by they will need fewer and fewer. I think it wouldn't be a good idea for anyone to take up a trade for being a tech now unless it's electric. I think the techs out there now in there 40's should be able to retire from their trade. The younger generation will have to adapt to electric or choose a different field like you said
i think you just have to modify your skill set scanners and scopes will be more utilized than ever. those modules and computers will still be in the vehicles. you just have to learn the battery tech and the operation of an electric motor. diagnose dan has a good tutorial on electric vehicles.
Wow I’m very sad by this, I barely started working on cars about 4 years ago and I really like working on cars. This has been a passion of mine for over the last 4 years. I wonder if I should just continue and try to make the most of it until it ends while learning new traits? Idk I may sound hardheaded, but I don’t want to just drop out now lol. I’ve invested too much into this
Yes the EV market will hit the industry hard. Fortunately there is enough ICE autos out there that even if they stopped selling them today there would be service work for ten to 20 years. Of course that will taper off with time so people and shops will naturally reduce in numbers until they aren’t needed. EV’s are inevitable and aren’t far from being dominant in auto sales. But I do agree that there are other jobs that would be more in demand in the future.
They better hurry and upgrade the power grid then. Notifications from the utility company were going around a month or so ago to turn the temperature on home a/cs to a certain temperature etc because the grid couldnt hold the load. Also, I doubt ppl want to wait an hour or more to charge a vehicle.
Bryan there too many spinoff jobs related to oil and Gas...I wouldn't worry to much about Gas Goin the way of the Dinosaurs just yet,I live in northern Canada and In winter time the -50 c literally freezes the battery and do NOT Run Whatsoever this War on Gas is a Globalism/ political issue...here in Canada we Run mostly Ford and Gm because of parts Availability Dodge parts are more expensive and they seam too not hold up as well in the Cold but honestly they all break 92 F-150 5.8 400 k miles still runs good good oil pressure
Some good points, but EVs and hybrids are not as maintenance free as you might expect. The motor may be reliable for many years, but the electronics that control them fail more than most people would think. They also have significant cooing systems that will need repair and maintenance. A/C will be mostly unchanged. I live in the Sacramento valley and A/C is a must. Battery packs will need to be replaced or repaired as they wear, that will require skilled labor and a lot of money. If you can troubleshoot, you can still work in this field if you understand complex vehicle systems(infotainment, CAN bus, LIN bus etc) The adoption rate on EVs might be lower too. They’re not selling as much as you think. Too expensive. Battery replacement cost is high, which scares people even with a long warranty. It’s why I bought an electric bike to commute instead of an EV. My Tundra gets horrible mileage haha. Also something to note, the ban on engines is just an executive order, some may argue that’s just political theatre since the deadline is 2035. 15 years is a long time. Some states may not be on board without a federal mandate. How will out of state travelers get their fuel? I would also anticipate people just going to Reno and buying a car and bringing it back(which I’m sure would be heavily taxed). My guess is the order will be amended to allow for only “electrified” cars(ie plug in hybrid) to be sold in CA after 2035. I don’t know if it’s time ring the panic bells yet, but it’s certainly time to prepare a possible exit plan if there isn’t enough work to go around to meet the needs of the technician workforce. All that being said, I support the change as a 36 year old technician near the top of the field and I’m ready for the challenge. I already do some hybrid stuff, a lot of the EV tech is the same.
This video was not intended to come across as ringing a panic bell. It is however intended to help people in this industry realize this is more then just politics. Make no mistake this is about new technology displacing old technology. All the major auto makes will no longer manufacture ICE vehicles, Volvo as soon as 2025 that 3 years for now! So what impact will that have on you good or bad but an impact nonetheless. So my intentions are to make people face the reality of the near future and start planning now if they want to learn EV or move on to something else while they still have time! Thank for dropping a comment Nick your comments are always welcome on my channel!
@@Bryan916 I gotcha. Volvo isn't driving the market, their market share is pretty small, but I understand they are pushing harder into electrified sooner than others. To be fair, they're only committing to 50% fully EV by 2025. It's coming, but it's likely going to be a slow process. It's the car buyers that determine the rate of adoption, not so much the government. I always tell people to look at new car lot inventories(which are a direct reflection of consumer demand) and look how many EVs/hybrids are on the lot. It's usually not very many, depending on what market you're looking at. I've kinda thought about becoming an electrician if I get canned in the automotive industry. Electricity isn't going anywhere. But I've got a good spot for now. Are you thinking about getting out yourself?
@@nickmayo2974 As of late I am seriously considering getting into a different field to pay the bills and cars just a side thing. To be honest I really don't care to learn EV. I don't dislike electric vehicles or hybrids I actually think they're very cool and interesting I just don't care to start at the bottom again in terms of knowledge, skills and experience!
I think it more a case of changing industry rather than dying and for a lot of sectors it going be very slow. For example commercial, farm and large diesel construction equipment not going be gone for decades. You still going have lot of petrol and diesel cars running on the road for couple decades too . hybrid and EV still need repairing, you not always repairing engines, transmission, brakes, suspension, aircon, vehicle body elecs, charging system all need repair. Hybrids have already shown huge amount short term issues and with constant trend towards pourer quality manufacture body electrical and network/module issues are ever increasing . In my auto shop most of our work is brakes suspension and diag of electrical issues, engine repair only a small part as on the whole they not failing for decade or 2 & are potentially more reliable than first or second gen EV technology . Small engine repair will likely see effects quickest as easiest to replace/convert users to electric and not much overlap in product sub systems thus skill set for small engine guy on for example a petrol leaf blower to a battery one . Garden equipment retailers will still keep going selling battery powered equipment . The change for most will be fairly slow but some countries and states like California are likely get accelerated change .
Give those electric cars a few years in the rust belt, all those electric problems that we see on gas cars will transfer right over to EV'S, parasitic drain on batteries, stuff not turning off, nasty crusty wires etc...the work never ends.
I can't even imagine man!
I have been a top notch auto body painter for 37 years . Our trade can not find workers . Our trade collage which had there graduation last weekend . Out of 9000 graduates only four people graduated in the auto body class . Mostly all medical and technology graduates I think it cost $36,000 for 18 months .
The problem with going electric is that it is being forced upon the companies and consumers by the government and the green movement. That’s not how innovation happens in the marketplace. Any technological advancement happens naturally by people choosing freely the product or service that they want.
You're correct, however the market has been artificially manipulated by oil and gas as well as the auto industry. It was common practice for them to purchase and suppress tech that would endanger their monopoly of the transportation market. This has gone on for a long time.
by the way how have you been bryan had not been getting your notifications in a while.glad to see you back.
Thanks Ghost its good to be back and good to see your comments!
Fossil fuel is not going anywhere.
That's not realistic is it?
@@Bryan916 Yes sir it is. Science is on our side. The earth will continue to produce oil and natural gas no matter what. The tar pits that were pushed up by the earth was during the dinosaur era. Now if we have some type of catastrophic event big enough to change that then neither of us will be around to realize it.
@@bradleycrenshaw6778 I here you Brad your original comment is that fossil fuel is not going anywhere. Its not realistic to believe that because no matter how much oil is still available it doesn't mean that it can continue to be used, hence the movement toward electric power! Fossil fuel will still be used by NASA or may Air travel but for the most part its going to be electricity.
@@Bryan916 Man rapes the earth in two days what it took a million years to develop whether its oil or minerals. The mining alone for the contents of batteries for electric cars far out weighs the cost of fossil fuel. I wish we could be the Jetson's. Electricity has to be produced as you know we don't pump it from the ground and unless we turn every river into a hydro electric damn and make every rooftop in the world a solar panel the numbers just don't add up. We can agree to disagree and i will buy you a cold beer either way. again thank you for time and effort that you put into your channel. We live on opposite ends of the country but i believe we could so do some serious janking !!
Hello Bryan, I caught your video on why not to buy snapon tools. I have worked consistently on high performance aircraft for the military, commercial aircraft, manufacturing, and general automotive for the past 40 years, so I speak with some experience. Now to your point, as a tech in any field you decide what you need, do you need a 200.00 hammer probably not, but a great quality ratchet you do need. Do you need an expensive screw driver set, again user's choice. I have many different manufacturers in my box, but they all have one thing in common, they are tailor made for the application I use them in. I have had this conversation over the years, and just because you can go to a local toy store and pick up a free ratchet every time you break one is not I'm my humble opinion a reason to go with that brand. The fact is if you make your money with your tools you realize that ease of maintenance and time are your enemy's. A ratchet that performs like my Snapon makes the job a whole lot easier and faster, translating into more money in your pocket. There are areas you can compromise on, but sockets, wrenches and ratchets i would sayare not those areas. Being a tech means you are a problem solver, that said expensive tools from a technology based company, who does the engineering work to test what works the best for the tech on the ground is a company you want on your side. Any of the major manufactures do this, but I have put my tools through their paces, they do not wear out, they usually do not break, so I wind up selling them to new techs and upgrading to the newest ideation example is the dual 80 ratchet this helps my junior techs get started and and keeps me on the cutting edge. Tooling, especially Quality tools are expensive, no argument there, but with great respect I think the argument is flawed. If you buy tools of lesser quality I think your doing yourself a big disservice, additionally if you are not looking at all the major manufacturers you are not seeing all possibilities. In the end your tools will pay for themselves by the time it takes to do the job. That is just my two cents, with great respect tech to tech, kenney
Yeah there a few Snap-on tool worth buying and I have them. but overall I still think its more of a luxury item then a necessity!
I agree whe heartedly
My line of thought exactly. Coming from a computer programming background and getting back into automotive, I see a bright future for myself. Thanks for the video.
i dont think the switch to ev will impact mechanics much at all. 90% of the work we do has nothing to do with the engine. an ev still has everything else and will have new problems
The really hard part to swallow the most is a lot of mechanics tools and especially specialty tools will be obsolete..... let that sink in when your looking at a tool box of worth thousands of dollars now worth nothing.
It still nuts and bolts and electronics, lot of specialist tools such as wheel bearings and suspension joint pullers still function on hybrid and elec vehicles.
Not a lot going be obsolete and what engine specific tools do become les used will be good 20 years gradual change .
Reality is you need more tools and some specific for EV high voltage and full function scanners and scopes along with service data will be a total must .
I still use timing light and carb tools occasionally, in professional use the tools pay for themselves pretty quickly ...
Well yes that is true of some items, diagnostics in particular are great examples of that. I still have my first snapon counselor 2 scope, now I have zeus. True the counselor is irrelevant but I keep it for nostalgia. The tools I speak of are the boiler plate items. Wrenches, sockets, micrometers, calipers and the like. True even sockets go obsolete, but things like flank drive and plus are marketing ploys. I have worked on everything from aviation to manufacturing to automotive. Some things change but the boiler plate stuff stays pretty much the same. I have for a example a ton of weldin gear, I have traded or sold almost all of it in over the years never lost a dime, replaced it with all the square wave because it was worth it from a technical point of view. Bottom line you have to make your inventory pay for itself. Keep up with what ever cutting edge you need. A great example is digital micrometers, good dial indicators, for me the technology behind all my trades, welding, machining, electronics are my passions for over 40 + years. So if your making your money, no matter how old they are and I have some over 40 they're never useless. Unless you buy every new blinky diode China puts out you always be ahead
Again with great respect tech to tech.
Iam from LEBYA 🇱🇾thnk uo for that's grit job
Awesome video! Its funny, i can hear my grandfathers voice telling me that before mechanics came along you had blacksmiths. They put shoes on the horses..forged the wheels for the wagons and carriages. Then those horseless carriages came along and changed everything...lol Im 51 and have been an auto tech 25 plus years...started out in the dealership then went independent. When the economy fell in 2007/2008 i got out of wrenching. I drive trucks now. I still do some custom and restorations here and there...but the writing is on the wall and the clock is ticking......
Great video I can remember you telling me this two years ago. Hope no one takes the info you gave negatively but it is happening all over the world I think the next vehicle I purchased will be a EV don’t want to get left behind.
Keep up the good job looking forward to your next video 👍🏾
I'm very excited about the future of electric vehicles. I've wrenched on cars my entire life. However I'm looking forward to owning a electric vehicle. I believe mechanics will still be needed.
Great points Bryan!
I could be wrong, and I hope I'm not, but I think they will still need auto techs after 2035. There will still be enough combustion engines out there, however as time goes by they will need fewer and fewer. I think it wouldn't be a good idea for anyone to take up a trade for being a tech now unless it's electric. I think the techs out there now in there 40's should be able to retire from their trade. The younger generation will have to adapt to electric or choose a different field like you said
ford and google are building a electric charge road in detroit to charge ev cars while u drive and park it on the road
i think you just have to modify your skill set scanners and scopes will be more utilized than ever. those modules and computers will still be in the vehicles. you just have to learn the battery tech and the operation of an electric motor. diagnose dan has a good tutorial on electric vehicles.
At 48 I hope I'm retired soon and living in a foreign country before that happens.
Electric or not cars still needs brakes and suspension.
Right that's my point no need for a lot of mechanic anymore when electric takes over!
Wow I’m very sad by this, I barely started working on cars about 4 years ago and I really like working on cars. This has been a passion of mine for over the last 4 years. I wonder if I should just continue and try to make the most of it until it ends while learning new traits? Idk I may sound hardheaded, but I don’t want to just drop out now lol. I’ve invested too much into this
Keep working on cars till you can't no more!
I THINK they are going to create software viruses, and the mechanic will be like, your going to need a new ev..
Yes the EV market will hit the industry hard. Fortunately there is enough ICE autos out there that even if they stopped selling them today there would be service work for ten to 20 years. Of course that will taper off with time so people and shops will naturally reduce in numbers until they aren’t needed. EV’s are inevitable and aren’t far from being dominant in auto sales. But I do agree that there are other jobs that would be more in demand in the future.
They better hurry and upgrade the power grid then. Notifications from the utility company were going around a month or so ago to turn the temperature on home a/cs to a certain temperature etc because the grid couldnt hold the load. Also, I doubt ppl want to wait an hour or more to charge a vehicle.
Bryan there too many spinoff jobs related to oil and Gas...I wouldn't worry to much about Gas Goin the way of the Dinosaurs just yet,I live in northern Canada and In winter time the -50 c literally freezes the battery and do NOT Run Whatsoever this War on Gas is a Globalism/ political issue...here in Canada we Run mostly Ford and Gm because of parts Availability Dodge parts are more expensive and they seam too not hold up as well in the Cold but honestly they all break 92 F-150 5.8 400 k miles still runs good good oil pressure
Some good points, but EVs and hybrids are not as maintenance free as you might expect. The motor may be reliable for many years, but the electronics that control them fail more than most people would think. They also have significant cooing systems that will need repair and maintenance. A/C will be mostly unchanged. I live in the Sacramento valley and A/C is a must. Battery packs will need to be replaced or repaired as they wear, that will require skilled labor and a lot of money. If you can troubleshoot, you can still work in this field if you understand complex vehicle systems(infotainment, CAN bus, LIN bus etc)
The adoption rate on EVs might be lower too. They’re not selling as much as you think. Too expensive. Battery replacement cost is high, which scares people even with a long warranty. It’s why I bought an electric bike to commute instead of an EV. My Tundra gets horrible mileage haha.
Also something to note, the ban on engines is just an executive order, some may argue that’s just political theatre since the deadline is 2035. 15 years is a long time. Some states may not be on board without a federal mandate. How will out of state travelers get their fuel? I would also anticipate people just going to Reno and buying a car and bringing it back(which I’m sure would be heavily taxed).
My guess is the order will be amended to allow for only “electrified” cars(ie plug in hybrid) to be sold in CA after 2035. I don’t know if it’s time ring the panic bells yet, but it’s certainly time to prepare a possible exit plan if there isn’t enough work to go around to meet the needs of the technician workforce.
All that being said, I support the change as a 36 year old technician near the top of the field and I’m ready for the challenge. I already do some hybrid stuff, a lot of the EV tech is the same.
This video was not intended to come across as ringing a panic bell. It is however intended to help people in this industry realize this is more then just politics. Make no mistake this is about new technology displacing old technology. All the major auto makes will no longer manufacture ICE vehicles, Volvo as soon as 2025 that 3 years for now! So what impact will that have on you good or bad but an impact nonetheless. So my intentions are to make people face the reality of the near future and start planning now if they want to learn EV or move on to something else while they still have time! Thank for dropping a comment Nick your comments are always welcome on my channel!
@@Bryan916 I gotcha. Volvo isn't driving the market, their market share is pretty small, but I understand they are pushing harder into electrified sooner than others. To be fair, they're only committing to 50% fully EV by 2025. It's coming, but it's likely going to be a slow process. It's the car buyers that determine the rate of adoption, not so much the government. I always tell people to look at new car lot inventories(which are a direct reflection of consumer demand) and look how many EVs/hybrids are on the lot. It's usually not very many, depending on what market you're looking at.
I've kinda thought about becoming an electrician if I get canned in the automotive industry. Electricity isn't going anywhere. But I've got a good spot for now. Are you thinking about getting out yourself?
@@nickmayo2974 As of late I am seriously considering getting into a different field to pay the bills and cars just a side thing. To be honest I really don't care to learn EV. I don't dislike electric vehicles or hybrids I actually think they're very cool and interesting I just don't care to start at the bottom again in terms of knowledge, skills and experience!
They can take their electric and shove it.
I think it more a case of changing industry rather than dying and for a lot of sectors it going be very slow.
For example commercial, farm and large diesel construction equipment not going be gone for decades.
You still going have lot of petrol and diesel cars running on the road for couple decades too .
hybrid and EV still need repairing, you not always repairing engines, transmission, brakes, suspension, aircon, vehicle body elecs, charging system all need repair.
Hybrids have already shown huge amount short term issues and with constant trend towards pourer quality manufacture body electrical and network/module issues are ever increasing .
In my auto shop most of our work is brakes suspension and diag of electrical issues, engine repair only a small part as on the whole they not failing for decade or 2 & are potentially more reliable than first or second gen EV technology .
Small engine repair will likely see effects quickest as easiest to replace/convert users to electric and not much overlap in product sub systems thus skill set for small engine guy on for example a petrol leaf blower to a battery one . Garden equipment retailers will still keep going selling battery powered equipment .
The change for most will be fairly slow but some countries and states like California are likely get accelerated change .
It's all by design....and when all these businesses close the government will still flourish bc they control the EV movement also😏
I don't think so....
Lets go Brandon
What the sheep wanted.