What makes the Medusa thing even sadder is the fact that in some versions of the story Athena actually did it to protect Medusa from men like Poseidon but those never get mentioned because it's easier to make the woman the villain not the man *sigh*
This is the story I chose to believe as well but it’s unfortunately not the first one I was taught. I chose to speak about the version of the myth that was first taught to me because I think it’s really messed up that I wasn’t taught the other version and wanted to bring to light just how crazy it is that this version of the story even exists and that it is so widely known
@Peggymusik I figured that's what you probably did! Thank you for replying! You did FANTASTIC on every part of this song!!! Definitely my favorite now of all time!
I mean to be honest, none of the Greek gods and goddesses were good. They were very vengeful and petty. All of them were wildly problematic. The same Athena who punished arachne for being a better weaver definitely doesn't seem the type to save Medusa. So no matter how it's interpreted, I think the song still stands on solid ground.
The saddest thing about Marie Antoinette is that she wasn’t as lavish as the French rich wanted her to be, and she genuinely wanted to do better for the poor. The affair of the Diamond necklace was devastating as it most likely wasn’t Marie, but a lookalike who took the necklace, and that pretty much solidified her losing her head.
Marie Antoinette turned the jewellery away 2 or 3 times (depending on the source.) According to many sources, "The Cardinal promptly presented it to Madame de La Motte (a Countess and trickster), who promptly disappeared with her accomplices." The only thing that EVERY source on the necklace has in common is that Marie Antoinette NEVER HAD the necklace in the first place as it was considered "exorbitantly costly." The price was 2 million Livres which got knocked down to 1.6 million. MARIE ANTOINETTE NEVER took the necklace despite the cost being lowered. Madame de La Motte on the other hand didn't like the Queen. So, she very much could have taken it
I believe your comment because i made friends with someone who looks just like one of my female cousins, except my cousin prefers to have shorter hair, not long hair. I can see how mistaken identity can ruin a person's life like if it was done back them.
In a mythology class, I successfully argued that Penelope and Medea were the actual heroes, not Odysseus and Jason. It probably didn’t hurt that my professor was a woman. 😄 This song is a wonderful anthem!
You also could’ve included Ariadne in your list. My girl is theorised to have been an arcane goddess of the labyrinth and other secrets yet people talk about Daedalus more!!!
@@AggressivePandas Are people not allowed to have preferences anymore? You find Ariadne interesting,very based take but why does she have to be talked more about than Daedalus? Also where did you find that she is arcane goddess,Ia m genuinely interested in that
@@mursi2734 No where in my comment did I say that Daedalus shouldn’t be talked about as much. I was just saying that there is a lot more to say about Ariadne than Daedalus but he’s talked about more.
@@mursi2734 and as for info about her being an arcane goddess there’s a whole page about it if u just look up her on wikipedia(which is cited with actual works this time I checked lol)
I will never forget a conversation I had with a friend as to why it's much scarier when a woman starts to break and smash things when she's upset. Women are not usually socially trained to allow themselves to become physically violent over emotional overload. But men will do so over small things like their team losing the game. When women finally get to the point of breaking things (usually, I'm not saying there aren't physically aggressive women) it's uncomfortable because women aren't "allowed" to do that. Men are. When women get physically destructive and violent, men recoil because something in them realizes somewhere along the lines she got pushed a little too far a little too often and when words failed action was the only outlet she had left. And if she skips physical outlets and goes right to apethetic, cold, and distant? Look out. I love this song! Love the message!!!! Love it all! New artist I never knew I needed in my life!!
Woman get angry very easily and break stuff and get away with stuff. men are much more restrained. Please stop lying, women get away with it alot more because it's deemed acceptable
Raging men are so common that we are all used to it. Many times we take refuge in women because their rage is less common. We know they are safe. It seems to me like it’s far more destructive for our harbors of safety to become unstable, and rage, which is why it seems so much scarier.
@@cocoonsword OP literally said women are treated poorly, they're not. Look at the feminist movement, look at literally anything. Men are treated poorly, and get in trouble if they ditch their gf, women can ditch their bf. Women are more likely to be believed.
It's funny because Persephone was victimised for loving Hades and Hades was villainised for loving Persephone... but they're the only example of stable and functional marriage in Greek mythology. Like they legitimately love each other, are loyal to each other, and the only black mark on their marriage is that fact that due to 'reasons' she only gets to visit her mother once a year for an entire season... which is a good portion of the year. How horrible, Hade's is so evil for keeping her captive! smh my mother doesn't need an excuse to avoid her parents for multiple years if she can get away with it. And Persephone has some pretty good excuses to avoid her mother.
ok but she was literally kidnapped though. by hades. and she actively wanted her mother to help her. i don’t see how you believe any of the shit you put in your comment. here’s a quote from the metamorphoses: “The lady [Persephone] with a wailing voice afright did often call Her mother and her waiting maids, but mother most of all.” -Ovid’s Metamorphoses (trans. Arthur Golding), Book 5, Lines 497-498 the only other version from classical sources that i’m aware of is where zeus basically sells her to hades (i believe in the homeric hymns)
"Like they...are loyal to each other" Sorry to break it to you, but Persephone was not loyal to Hades. It's probably a good idea for you to read up on the story of Adonis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis#Aphrodite_and_Persephone
It's actually kinda fucked up how modern interpretations of the myth often portray Demeter as a overbearing parent, even villainizing her, when the myth (from what I've seen) was originally featured in a Homeric hymn TO DEMETER. Cause most retellings of the myth will portray Diameters whole eternal winter until Persephone was found thing as her overreacting. But when you really think about it, her daughter was abducted, she (initially) didn't know where she was taken, she had no way of getting her back, or even any idea of if she was okay. As drastic as her reaction was, she wasn't a overbearing parent throwing a temper tantrum, she was a grieving mother. A grieving mother who, for all she knew, would never see her daughter again.
Her father, Zeus, knew exactly where she was the whole time, but didn't tell Demeter because "she'd be emotional" or something. I'm sure he'd have been just as angry and worried if he had no idea where Persephone was. Welcome to Greek Mythology and History in general where NOTHING MAKES ANY DAMN SENSE because people are stupid!!!
Anne Boleyn in some stories its said that Henry actually falsely accused her of stuff like he did with Katherine Howard because he simply didn't like her and he was the king and he had to do it his way he couldn't just tell her he didn't like her no he had to kill her and all the stories with him and his 6 wives it makes then the villians not him
Yep, Henry Beheaded Anne so that he could marry his 3rd wife (Jane Seymour) who was a lady in waiting for Anne. Henry met her during his second marriage and wanted to get with her however because he was married she said no. Because of this he had to unmarry and he could only do that if he found their marriage unholy (like he did with his first marriage to Catherine of Aragon as she had been married to his brother) but basically he had nothing to go off of there so the only other choice was death and so he accused her of cheating on him so that he had grounds to behead her. Which is where she met her tragic end at age 35, when she had an axe through her neck once (different to Katherine, who had multiple slices to the neck) on the tower of London and her head was displayed there for a while. Again, he beheaded Katherine because she "cheated" on him (even though she was probably actually just an abused child) he just didn't want her anymore. So she was beheaded on London bridge, looking at the heads of Henry mannox and Thomas Culpeper (prior relationships of hers, Henry Mannox was her music teacher from when she was 13 and Culpeper was the guy she allegedly cheated on him with) Also can everyone stop calling tower bridge, London bridge. I was reading Katherine Howard's wiki page and it said she was beheaded on tower bridge which is impossible cause tower bridge wasn't built until 2-300 years later. Thanks xxx Also it's nice to see someone in this comment section talking about the Tudors. Especially as I'm a fan of Henry's wives and learning about them.
He was literally engaged to Jane Seymour on the 20th of may, the day after her execution, and they were married on the 30th. he also would've had to summon the swordsman to execute her before her trial even took place to get him to England in time for the execution so there was literally no way he thought she was guilty (not to mention the fact he basically stalked her for 7 years before their marriage so personally I want to scream every time I hear the whole "temptress gets what she deserves" narrative and my friends and family have had to hear a multitude of rants about various historical dramas)
I’ve seen plenty of cats make their anger known pretty quickly. So I’m not sure if that’s the best example. There are some non-human animals that can (and might) hold a grudge though
I like how its "feminine rage" qnd not "female rage" its a nice touch i dont know if it was intentional allyship or not but its a nice touch nonetheless
So, I'm actually loving it, although as someone who follows Hellenic religion I don't love the blame places on Athena for Medusa, because the 'curse' was a gift to be able to protect herself from men but I understand that it's just for the theme of the song. Zeus and Demeter are the problem in the Hades and Persephone story by a long shot. Not Hades and DEFINITELY not Persephone
Those are my favorite interpretations of those stories and the ones I choose to believe but there are many different interpretations that say different things. Especially the story of Medusa. There are versions of that story where she was born a gorgon not cursed and I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that is the original story. Because of that it’s hard to say to say that one interpretation is wrong because there are so many different versions and interpretations over the last couple thousand years. There isn’t one version of the myth that we can point at and say “that is the real story and the correct interpretation.”
Agreed except I do think she is pointing out just one of the stories and this one is fairly wide spread. It was written by a Roman philosopher I think, but it’s become the most widespread story- whether it’s accurate as Greek mythology or not. Wasn’t Medusa in Greek myths actually born a gorgon?
Also as much as I hate it I have read some stories that do place some blame on Persephone for eating the seeds, those aren’t as wide spread but I definitely recall reading a few
But Athena literally said I CURSE YOU that if any man shall look upon your beauty he shall be turned to stone. You can look at it later as a power for protection that Medusa wielded because yes queen she did, but Athena was not trying to help her
Im way to excited for this, tho it premieres at the exact hour that I need to be getting ready for bed, so I’m just gonna skip sleeping today and watch this instead.
I was 15. He waited until i was 16 so it was "legal" always telling me how amazing and smart and mature i was...was there for me for so much..wasnt until i had his child rose glasses finally came off completely...geezzus...
@sam-not-sam thank you. Still hard but he's in jail for a few years so...still difficult to think badly of him or that he did everythjng accused of when he was there for me and my mom so much. People like him.
I love this song so much especially as someone who just went from my Anne Boleyn hyperfixation to greek mythology and honestly I adore all of the references (also I think my favourite Persephone portrayal has to come from stray gods mostly because it actually deals with the kidnapping thing instead of brushing it aside and pretending it doesn't exist, also she just radiates feminine rage and power in general)
Hey. Millennial here. Currently having a year long fight with my sexist father. Anyway I'm gonna play this at family Xmas. Someone bring me back after and I'll update y'all how this goes
I absolutely love this song! I have always felt this way and this song confirms I am not alone in thinking the way I do. I have a particular affinity to Medusa and Persephone . There is this amazing book called Medusa by Jessie Burton. It's a retelling of the story from her perspective and I utterly adore it . It's basically a story about the grief of what she was put through and the life she is trying to build for herself and coming to terms with the trauma she experienced . I can highly recommend it.
oh my gosh, Peggy! This is the kind of song that deserves to go viral! It's clever and totally represents the narrative men have been selling since... Well, ever! Once, I watched this scene from a series talking about how women are born with pain. The pain of all the women before them, the pain of childbirth, period cramps, and overall pain we must suffer through life in silence to avoid being accused of hysteria. So, how could we not have rage?
The only thing i don't like is the persephone one. There's many differing tellings of her and hades story but they have one of the best romances in all of greek myth. The version i like is the ones where they tell how they actually love each other and demeter is the reason why they have to spend time apart because persephone loves being with him so much that she made demeter so sad nothing could bloom. Hades is a loveable goofball who named his dog spot, does his job and loves his flower goth wife and persephone is the lovely flower goth queen who loves her goofball of a husband and his dogs.
hades literally kidnapped persephone, and also persephone fell in love with adonis (a child she raised) so i dont think i’d call their relationship great
@@juniperwatkins8079actually in quite a few tellings he didn't. And you act like every other Greek Myth couple is without flaw (which, in the words of Alicia Silverstone, As If!) And if she just had the one slip up... then I'm sorry but I think her (and Hades) are faring wayyyyyy better than the rest. Especially in contrast with Zeus... like be for real.
Ok- someone has gotta draw hades looking adorable while petting his dogs, and Persephone just in the background watching her husband proudly. That would make my heart explode- so cute!!
I was actually searching for Femininomenon by Chappell Roan when this came up in the results. Not disappointed at all! What a history lesson, and it slaps too 🤘✊
The story of Medusa pissed me off when I learnt the real version because growing up I was taught that Athena cursed Medusa because Medusa was prideful and lusted after Poseidon. It was taught as a story to warn against pride when in reality Medusa was SA’d then cursed. It makes me so mad that the story I was told twisted her to be the villain.
As a kid the PG version of the story I heard was that Medusa was being prideful and saying she was prettier than Athena so she got cursed. Even as a kid it was a major wtf moment for me. Later on I heard the real version and was majorly pissed off. Lost all respect for Poseidon after learning about all the SA's he did
Some notes is that I don't feel like Persephone was a victim, I think she's just an absolute badass that decided to be queen of the underworld with the love of her life.... life?? godhood? idk lol
love the Persephone reference! Did you know that the name Melanie comes from the word Melancholy which has greek roots to an unnamed goddess called 'the dark one' who was driven mad from grief. Some think it refers to Dementer and her rage and grief over loosing her daughter caused the first winter!
and Ophelia is a story about bodily autonomy. The whole story she listens to what her father, brother and lover say. She follows and is very obedient. Then her lover starts acting weird, plays with her feelings like she isnt a person, then her hamlet kills her dad and suddenly she wakes up and realises that shes stuck in a narrative where shes not allowed to be in control of her self. So she decides to leave the narrative on her own terms. Her once and only act of true bodily autonomy
Helen wasn't just the "object of one man" she was literally the most beautiful woman in the world and everyone knew that. It wasn't even subjective, her title was literally the most beautiful in the world
She was treated as an object because she didnt have a choice in whether she wanted to be with Paris. She was offered as a gift to Paris by Aphrodite if he chose her as the most beautiful goddess. She was offered as if she wasnt a human being with her own desires.
THE GREEK MYTHOLOGY REFERECES.. I JUST CAN'T~ THIS IS SUCH A GOOD SONG Yk what.. it so true tho.. its so much easier to make the woman the villain and not man...
The use of the Greek Mythology references in the song don't really make much sense. This is coming from someone who looks at a lot of different Greek myths and not coming from a place of like 'common knowledge' about greek mythology. I mainly was confused about the lines of Medusa, Helen and especially Persephone. From the lyrics, I can tell it’s using the more popular version by Ovid which isn’t exactly accurate to the character of Medusa. In other tellings she’s either shown born as a gorgon or she willingly betrays the sanctity of Athena’s temple. Which these versions just counteract all the lyrics stated. But if we use the example of Ovid’s telling there are two main arguments we can make: 1. She was ‘cursed’ in order to protect herself from a situation similar 2. Athena can’t really punish Poseidon from a mythological perspective; it's meant to warn people not to break their sacred duties (such as being a priest). As the stories aren’t actual stories with a proper narrative they’re meant to send a message to the people. It’s similar to how Hera doesn’t punish Zeus but instead the mortals as it’s a message to tell the mortals not to commit adultery. If it was two gods fighting, it doesn’t have the same effect. When it comes to the section about Helen, it’s wrong but right for a completely different reason. When it comes to the Trojan war, it’s actually not a man who causes the kidnapping of Helen. In fact it’s Aphrodite who offers Helen and or helps kidnap Helen for Paris. However there are also previous stories about Theseus kidnapping Helen (as a child) and wanting to keep her until she’s… of age… Persephone’s section is also just horribly inaccurate for a multitude of reasons. I’ll start from the most direct sources to least direct. 1. In the actual text her story is told; it’s actually Zeus who takes all the blame. The chorus goes out of their way to basically say that all of this is Zeus’s fault. Persephone is rarely blamed for the abduction and she doesn’t even suffer much after the initial stages. Within the text, Helios states that out of all the husbands Persphone would've married, Hades is by far the best. He goes onto saying that the world was Hades's by birthright and that all living beings are a subject of him; it just takes time. And by marrying Hades she would gain ownership of these things too. 2. If we look outside the text we clearly see that their relationship is the most functional we see in Mythology, they never cheat on each other and seem to get along. Another thing to mention is that Hades is also a god of the world’s riches so she also got that money. 3. If we look at the history of Persphone, she is even shown to outdate Hades himself, and was seen as a quite terrifying Goddess. Even had a few mystery cults, and was called ‘The Queens’ in combination with Demeter. Essentially she was never shown as a victim or some evil wrongdoer. She was seen as scary but never villanised as suggested in this song.
Yup this is correct I think most of the references in the song are also a diffrent telling of the story but those aren't really the normal greek telling. There kinda just the popular ones.
This song blatantly doesn't tell the story of persephone correctly "Persephone was forced to go, to live with Hades down below And in the end it’s her who took the blame". Okay clarifications " "Persephone was forced to go, to live with Hades down below" she was originally kind of kidnapped but her father Zeus had told Hades it was okay so I'll give you half credit there, but after that when she gets told she can leave because Demeter is causing a eternal winter she doesn't want to leave and eat part of a pomegranate so that she can stay in the Underworld for at least part of the year. This shows that the second line "And in the end it’s her who took the blame" doesn't mean anything and blatantly shows the story incorrectly because they are then shown to be a actual stable relationship. Okay so to sum up this song misconstrutes the first line and the second line is blatantly wrong. When you're writing songs like these please try to show the myths that actually show what you're saying and don't lie about your myth do research.(there could be other ones that are wrong in this song this was just the one I knew for a fact was wrong)
I do see the point being made in other comments that this is supposed to show the version of the story that appeared to the writer of the song when they were growing up but I would still especially with the Persephone story that this continues the line of misinformation of what the story actually was.
Adoro tu cancion PEGGY, además es que yo soy amante de la mitología griega y definitivamente la historia de Medusa me mata, la veo tan injusta que se me revuelve el estómago... Menos mal que cada vez conseguimos avanzar por buen camino. Saludos ☺️❤️
Anne Boleyn was beheaded because she apparently "cheated" on Henry but the truth is Henry just wanted to get rid of her to marry her lady in waiting and needed an excuse. Its heartbreaking that she got beheaded for no reason but for the desire of a man. Katherine Howard, another pne of Henry's wives, got beheaded because she was apparently cheating but the truth is she was most likely just abused as a kid, she got punished for being a victim just like so many women in history and even today women get punished for their own abuse.
HELL YESS!! Someone's gonna ask me why I am a feminist, and I am gonna recommend them this song. I am tired of trying to prove my point. I hope they'll hear this and atleast think about if for a little while. GOD I LOVE IT!!
I agree with most if this but the whole of the french nobility had endless chances to deal with it peacefully and resolve issues but at every turn they sort to preserve thier privilege at expense of everything else.
What makes the Medusa thing even sadder is the fact that in some versions of the story Athena actually did it to protect Medusa from men like Poseidon but those never get mentioned because it's easier to make the woman the villain not the man *sigh*
This is the story I chose to believe as well but it’s unfortunately not the first one I was taught. I chose to speak about the version of the myth that was first taught to me because I think it’s really messed up that I wasn’t taught the other version and wanted to bring to light just how crazy it is that this version of the story even exists and that it is so widely known
@Peggymusik I figured that's what you probably did! Thank you for replying! You did FANTASTIC on every part of this song!!! Definitely my favorite now of all time!
i know right
No because Medusa is the real Roman Gods and those are the peasants in Rome
I mean to be honest, none of the Greek gods and goddesses were good. They were very vengeful and petty. All of them were wildly problematic. The same Athena who punished arachne for being a better weaver definitely doesn't seem the type to save Medusa. So no matter how it's interpreted, I think the song still stands on solid ground.
The saddest thing about Marie Antoinette is that she wasn’t as lavish as the French rich wanted her to be, and she genuinely wanted to do better for the poor.
The affair of the Diamond necklace was devastating as it most likely wasn’t Marie, but a lookalike who took the necklace, and that pretty much solidified her losing her head.
Marie Antoinette turned the jewellery away 2 or 3 times (depending on the source.) According to many sources, "The Cardinal promptly presented it to Madame de La Motte (a Countess and trickster), who promptly disappeared with her accomplices." The only thing that EVERY source on the necklace has in common is that Marie Antoinette NEVER HAD the necklace in the first place as it was considered "exorbitantly costly." The price was 2 million Livres which got knocked down to 1.6 million.
MARIE ANTOINETTE NEVER took the necklace despite the cost being lowered. Madame de La Motte on the other hand didn't like the Queen. So, she very much could have taken it
I believe your comment because i made friends with someone who looks just like one of my female cousins, except my cousin prefers to have shorter hair, not long hair. I can see how mistaken identity can ruin a person's life like if it was done back them.
Me: “Hmm, this song is in my recommended. I’ll check it out.”
Song: opens with a Greek mythology reference.
Me: “This is my new favorite song.”
Me rn 😭 this is great
Same!
Fr fr
Greek mythology nerds forever 👊🏼
Absolutely.
In a mythology class, I successfully argued that Penelope and Medea were the actual heroes, not Odysseus and Jason. It probably didn’t hurt that my professor was a woman. 😄 This song is a wonderful anthem!
You also could’ve included Ariadne in your list. My girl is theorised to have been an arcane goddess of the labyrinth and other secrets yet people talk about Daedalus more!!!
Also Atalanta
@@AggressivePandas Are people not allowed to have preferences anymore? You find Ariadne interesting,very based take but why does she have to be talked more about than Daedalus? Also where did you find that she is arcane goddess,Ia m genuinely interested in that
@@mursi2734 No where in my comment did I say that Daedalus shouldn’t be talked about as much. I was just saying that there is a lot more to say about Ariadne than Daedalus but he’s talked about more.
@@mursi2734 and as for info about her being an arcane goddess there’s a whole page about it if u just look up her on wikipedia(which is cited with actual works this time I checked lol)
I will never forget a conversation I had with a friend as to why it's much scarier when a woman starts to break and smash things when she's upset. Women are not usually socially trained to allow themselves to become physically violent over emotional overload. But men will do so over small things like their team losing the game. When women finally get to the point of breaking things (usually, I'm not saying there aren't physically aggressive women) it's uncomfortable because women aren't "allowed" to do that. Men are. When women get physically destructive and violent, men recoil because something in them realizes somewhere along the lines she got pushed a little too far a little too often and when words failed action was the only outlet she had left. And if she skips physical outlets and goes right to apethetic, cold, and distant? Look out. I love this song! Love the message!!!! Love it all! New artist I never knew I needed in my life!!
Woman get angry very easily and break stuff and get away with stuff. men are much more restrained. Please stop lying, women get away with it alot more because it's deemed acceptable
You're spreading lies and allowing men to be victims with that mindset
Raging men are so common that we are all used to it. Many times we take refuge in women because their rage is less common. We know they are safe. It seems to me like it’s far more destructive for our harbors of safety to become unstable, and rage, which is why it seems so much scarier.
@DJVideso how so?
@@cocoonsword OP literally said women are treated poorly, they're not. Look at the feminist movement, look at literally anything. Men are treated poorly, and get in trouble if they ditch their gf, women can ditch their bf. Women are more likely to be believed.
The animatics?? Hello?? This lyric video is so cool !! Its simple but so suitable, love it. Great song , Peggy ! ❤❤
It's funny because Persephone was victimised for loving Hades and Hades was villainised for loving Persephone... but they're the only example of stable and functional marriage in Greek mythology. Like they legitimately love each other, are loyal to each other, and the only black mark on their marriage is that fact that due to 'reasons' she only gets to visit her mother once a year for an entire season... which is a good portion of the year. How horrible, Hade's is so evil for keeping her captive! smh my mother doesn't need an excuse to avoid her parents for multiple years if she can get away with it. And Persephone has some pretty good excuses to avoid her mother.
ok but she was literally kidnapped though. by hades. and she actively wanted her mother to help her. i don’t see how you believe any of the shit you put in your comment. here’s a quote from the metamorphoses:
“The lady [Persephone] with a wailing voice afright did often call
Her mother and her waiting maids, but mother most of all.”
-Ovid’s Metamorphoses (trans. Arthur Golding), Book 5, Lines 497-498
the only other version from classical sources that i’m aware of is where zeus basically sells her to hades (i believe in the homeric hymns)
"Like they...are loyal to each other"
Sorry to break it to you, but Persephone was not loyal to Hades. It's probably a good idea for you to read up on the story of Adonis.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis#Aphrodite_and_Persephone
@@lilianshaffer I mean hades also had a thing with Minthe so…
Still a better record than the others
It's actually kinda fucked up how modern interpretations of the myth often portray Demeter as a overbearing parent, even villainizing her, when the myth (from what I've seen) was originally featured in a Homeric hymn TO DEMETER. Cause most retellings of the myth will portray Diameters whole eternal winter until Persephone was found thing as her overreacting. But when you really think about it, her daughter was abducted, she (initially) didn't know where she was taken, she had no way of getting her back, or even any idea of if she was okay. As drastic as her reaction was, she wasn't a overbearing parent throwing a temper tantrum, she was a grieving mother. A grieving mother who, for all she knew, would never see her daughter again.
Her father, Zeus, knew exactly where she was the whole time, but didn't tell Demeter because "she'd be emotional" or something. I'm sure he'd have been just as angry and worried if he had no idea where Persephone was. Welcome to Greek Mythology and History in general where NOTHING MAKES ANY DAMN SENSE because people are stupid!!!
Anne Boleyn in some stories its said that Henry actually falsely accused her of stuff like he did with Katherine Howard because he simply didn't like her and he was the king and he had to do it his way he couldn't just tell her he didn't like her no he had to kill her and all the stories with him and his 6 wives it makes then the villians not him
of course
Yep, Henry Beheaded Anne so that he could marry his 3rd wife (Jane Seymour) who was a lady in waiting for Anne. Henry met her during his second marriage and wanted to get with her however because he was married she said no. Because of this he had to unmarry and he could only do that if he found their marriage unholy (like he did with his first marriage to Catherine of Aragon as she had been married to his brother) but basically he had nothing to go off of there so the only other choice was death and so he accused her of cheating on him so that he had grounds to behead her. Which is where she met her tragic end at age 35, when she had an axe through her neck once (different to Katherine, who had multiple slices to the neck) on the tower of London and her head was displayed there for a while. Again, he beheaded Katherine because she "cheated" on him (even though she was probably actually just an abused child) he just didn't want her anymore. So she was beheaded on London bridge, looking at the heads of Henry mannox and Thomas Culpeper (prior relationships of hers, Henry Mannox was her music teacher from when she was 13 and Culpeper was the guy she allegedly cheated on him with)
Also can everyone stop calling tower bridge, London bridge. I was reading Katherine Howard's wiki page and it said she was beheaded on tower bridge which is impossible cause tower bridge wasn't built until 2-300 years later.
Thanks xxx
Also it's nice to see someone in this comment section talking about the Tudors. Especially as I'm a fan of Henry's wives and learning about them.
He was literally engaged to Jane Seymour on the 20th of may, the day after her execution, and they were married on the 30th. he also would've had to summon the swordsman to execute her before her trial even took place to get him to England in time for the execution so there was literally no way he thought she was guilty (not to mention the fact he basically stalked her for 7 years before their marriage so personally I want to scream every time I hear the whole "temptress gets what she deserves" narrative and my friends and family have had to hear a multitude of rants about various historical dramas)
@@Evelyn-rb1zj yes👏👏👏
@@Kathryn-vr9nk absolutely
The rage of man is like a dog or bear(instantly and explosive)
And a woman is how a cat or tiger (cold and vengeful)
I’ve seen plenty of cats make their anger known pretty quickly. So I’m not sure if that’s the best example.
There are some non-human animals that can (and might) hold a grudge though
I like how its "feminine rage" qnd not "female rage" its a nice touch i dont know if it was intentional allyship or not but its a nice touch nonetheless
So, I'm actually loving it, although as someone who follows Hellenic religion I don't love the blame places on Athena for Medusa, because the 'curse' was a gift to be able to protect herself from men but I understand that it's just for the theme of the song. Zeus and Demeter are the problem in the Hades and Persephone story by a long shot. Not Hades and DEFINITELY not Persephone
Agreed!
Those are my favorite interpretations of those stories and the ones I choose to believe but there are many different interpretations that say different things. Especially the story of Medusa. There are versions of that story where she was born a gorgon not cursed and I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that is the original story. Because of that it’s hard to say to say that one interpretation is wrong because there are so many different versions and interpretations over the last couple thousand years. There isn’t one version of the myth that we can point at and say “that is the real story and the correct interpretation.”
Agreed except I do think she is pointing out just one of the stories and this one is fairly wide spread. It was written by a Roman philosopher I think, but it’s become the most widespread story- whether it’s accurate as Greek mythology or not. Wasn’t Medusa in Greek myths actually born a gorgon?
Also as much as I hate it I have read some stories that do place some blame on Persephone for eating the seeds, those aren’t as wide spread but I definitely recall reading a few
But Athena literally said I CURSE YOU that if any man shall look upon your beauty he shall be turned to stone. You can look at it later as a power for protection that Medusa wielded because yes queen she did, but Athena was not trying to help her
THIS IS AMAZING PEGGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the Greek mythology!
Im way to excited for this, tho it premieres at the exact hour that I need to be getting ready for bed, so I’m just gonna skip sleeping today and watch this instead.
I was 15. He waited until i was 16 so it was "legal" always telling me how amazing and smart and mature i was...was there for me for so much..wasnt until i had his child rose glasses finally came off completely...geezzus...
I'm so sorry this happened to you
@sam-not-sam thank you. Still hard but he's in jail for a few years so...still difficult to think badly of him or that he did everythjng accused of when he was there for me and my mom so much. People like him.
Ok this needs MUCH more attention then it has. I love every bit of it!
The fact that Ophelia was driven mad by her lover and her dad's death. Meaning that she was just a mere pone is sad
~casually adding this bop to my "Angry Feminist Music" playlist~
This song is fantastic! I love the message and the 2000s pop style!! 😍
I love this song! The fact that you could probably write another hundred verses full of examples is what makes it even better.
I love this so much!!! I love the Greek mythology stuff a lot!
Hearing that Juliet wasn’t even 14 yet is disgusting
I love this song so much especially as someone who just went from my Anne Boleyn hyperfixation to greek mythology and honestly I adore all of the references (also I think my favourite Persephone portrayal has to come from stray gods mostly because it actually deals with the kidnapping thing instead of brushing it aside and pretending it doesn't exist, also she just radiates feminine rage and power in general)
LETS GOOOOO! This is perfect for my female rage playlist
Hey. Millennial here. Currently having a year long fight with my sexist father. Anyway I'm gonna play this at family Xmas. Someone bring me back after and I'll update y'all how this goes
Let us all know
I absolutely love this song! I have always felt this way and this song confirms I am not alone in thinking the way I do. I have a particular affinity to Medusa and Persephone . There is this amazing book called Medusa by Jessie Burton. It's a retelling of the story from her perspective and I utterly adore it . It's basically a story about the grief of what she was put through and the life she is trying to build for herself and coming to terms with the trauma she experienced . I can highly recommend it.
Your voice sounds sooo good and the lyrics + the video! So good. This deserves so much more attention
oh my gosh, Peggy! This is the kind of song that deserves to go viral! It's clever and totally represents the narrative men have been selling since... Well, ever! Once, I watched this scene from a series talking about how women are born with pain. The pain of all the women before them, the pain of childbirth, period cramps, and overall pain we must suffer through life in silence to avoid being accused of hysteria. So, how could we not have rage?
I looked you up on Spotify. HOW ARE YOU NOT FAMOUS YET😟
The only thing i don't like is the persephone one. There's many differing tellings of her and hades story but they have one of the best romances in all of greek myth. The version i like is the ones where they tell how they actually love each other and demeter is the reason why they have to spend time apart because persephone loves being with him so much that she made demeter so sad nothing could bloom. Hades is a loveable goofball who named his dog spot, does his job and loves his flower goth wife and persephone is the lovely flower goth queen who loves her goofball of a husband and his dogs.
Awwwe that's such a cute story actually and i also heard someone say Hades wasn't actually punished either but chose to become king of the underworld.
hades literally kidnapped persephone, and also persephone fell in love with adonis (a child she raised) so i dont think i’d call their relationship great
@@juniperwatkins8079actually in quite a few tellings he didn't. And you act like every other Greek Myth couple is without flaw (which, in the words of Alicia Silverstone, As If!) And if she just had the one slip up... then I'm sorry but I think her (and Hades) are faring wayyyyyy better than the rest. Especially in contrast with Zeus... like be for real.
Ok- someone has gotta draw hades looking adorable while petting his dogs, and Persephone just in the background watching her husband proudly. That would make my heart explode- so cute!!
I was actually searching for Femininomenon by Chappell Roan when this came up in the results. Not disappointed at all! What a history lesson, and it slaps too 🤘✊
I love the early 2000's feel, the talk about Greek Mythology. You did an amazing job! I shall listen to this for the next 6 hours, thank you. 💚💚💚
I love this so much!!!!!!! I can't wait for your first album!!!
The story of Medusa pissed me off when I learnt the real version because growing up I was taught that Athena cursed Medusa because Medusa was prideful and lusted after Poseidon. It was taught as a story to warn against pride when in reality Medusa was SA’d then cursed. It makes me so mad that the story I was told twisted her to be the villain.
As a kid the PG version of the story I heard was that Medusa was being prideful and saying she was prettier than Athena so she got cursed. Even as a kid it was a major wtf moment for me. Later on I heard the real version and was majorly pissed off. Lost all respect for Poseidon after learning about all the SA's he did
Some notes is that I don't feel like Persephone was a victim, I think she's just an absolute badass that decided to be queen of the underworld with the love of her life.... life?? godhood? idk lol
I wouldn't call Hades the love of her life.. Because he is her uncle and he stole/Kidnapped her from his sister and then *married* her
That's only one take of the story.
@@MagicalShiBirb besides the fact that the person said stole / kidnapped instead of kidnapped / married there spot on
love the Persephone reference! Did you know that the name Melanie comes from the word Melancholy which has greek roots to an unnamed goddess called 'the dark one' who was driven mad from grief. Some think it refers to Dementer and her rage and grief over loosing her daughter caused the first winter!
and Ophelia is a story about bodily autonomy. The whole story she listens to what her father, brother and lover say. She follows and is very obedient. Then her lover starts acting weird, plays with her feelings like she isnt a person, then her hamlet kills her dad and suddenly she wakes up and realises that shes stuck in a narrative where shes not allowed to be in control of her self. So she decides to leave the narrative on her own terms. Her once and only act of true bodily autonomy
i heard it was from melinoe the goddess of ghosts, but that's cool
It would be perfect if this ended with a scream
Helen wasn't just the "object of one man" she was literally the most beautiful woman in the world and everyone knew that. It wasn't even subjective, her title was literally the most beautiful in the world
Not to mention the Illiad depicts it as consensual between her and Paris. Because it probably wasn't with her first husband!
@@amazinggrapes3045 you need to remember the one promised Helen to Paris was Aphrodite. She could make Helen to fall for him. She was kidnapped.
She was treated as an object because she didnt have a choice in whether she wanted to be with Paris. She was offered as a gift to Paris by Aphrodite if he chose her as the most beautiful goddess. She was offered as if she wasnt a human being with her own desires.
THE GREEK MYTHOLOGY REFERECES.. I JUST CAN'T~ THIS IS SUCH A GOOD SONG
Yk what.. it so true tho.. its so much easier to make the woman the villain and not man...
I wish this song was longer. I love it but it ends too soon
Both the song and lyric video are amazing! Love you Peggy ❤
If you know all these references. You're cool.
Hey I have a question, how do you get the instrumental behind your singing. I’m thinking of trying to learn how to write and all.
Ana Bolena y María Antonieta ❤
Who the fuck blames Persephone??
men probably, but i think it’s less of the fact that people blame her and more of the fact that it even happened in the first place that’s the problem
As a kid the version of the story I heard was biased against Persephone
The use of the Greek Mythology references in the song don't really make much sense. This is coming from someone who looks at a lot of different Greek myths and not coming from a place of like 'common knowledge' about greek mythology. I mainly was confused about the lines of Medusa, Helen and especially Persephone.
From the lyrics, I can tell it’s using the more popular version by Ovid which isn’t exactly accurate to the character of Medusa. In other tellings she’s either shown born as a gorgon or she willingly betrays the sanctity of Athena’s temple. Which these versions just counteract all the lyrics stated. But if we use the example of Ovid’s telling there are two main arguments we can make:
1. She was ‘cursed’ in order to protect herself from a situation similar
2. Athena can’t really punish Poseidon from a mythological perspective; it's meant to warn people not to break their sacred duties (such as being a priest). As the stories aren’t actual stories with a proper narrative they’re meant to send a message to the people. It’s similar to how Hera doesn’t punish Zeus but instead the mortals as it’s a message to tell the mortals not to commit adultery. If it was two gods fighting, it doesn’t have the same effect.
When it comes to the section about Helen, it’s wrong but right for a completely different reason. When it comes to the Trojan war, it’s actually not a man who causes the kidnapping of Helen. In fact it’s Aphrodite who offers Helen and or helps kidnap Helen for Paris. However there are also previous stories about Theseus kidnapping Helen (as a child) and wanting to keep her until she’s… of age…
Persephone’s section is also just horribly inaccurate for a multitude of reasons. I’ll start from the most direct sources to least direct.
1. In the actual text her story is told; it’s actually Zeus who takes all the blame. The chorus goes out of their way to basically say that all of this is Zeus’s fault. Persephone is rarely blamed for the abduction and she doesn’t even suffer much after the initial stages. Within the text, Helios states that out of all the husbands Persphone would've married, Hades is by far the best. He goes onto saying that the world was Hades's by birthright and that all living beings are a subject of him; it just takes time. And by marrying Hades she would gain ownership of these things too.
2. If we look outside the text we clearly see that their relationship is the most functional we see in Mythology, they never cheat on each other and seem to get along. Another thing to mention is that Hades is also a god of the world’s riches so she also got that money.
3. If we look at the history of Persphone, she is even shown to outdate Hades himself, and was seen as a quite terrifying Goddess. Even had a few mystery cults, and was called ‘The Queens’ in combination with Demeter. Essentially she was never shown as a victim or some evil wrongdoer. She was seen as scary but never villanised as suggested in this song.
Yup this is correct I think most of the references in the song are also a diffrent telling of the story but those aren't really the normal greek telling. There kinda just the popular ones.
THIS IS AMAZING O LOVE THIS!!! THIS IS A REALLY GOOD JOB PEGGY 💕✨
Love it! You have such a great voice ! ☺️
Love it! Couldnt it be longer?🥺
I need a movie with this song in it as a main staple
This song blatantly doesn't tell the story of persephone correctly "Persephone was forced to go, to live with Hades down below
And in the end it’s her who took the blame". Okay clarifications " "Persephone was forced to go, to live with Hades down below" she was originally kind of kidnapped but her father Zeus had told Hades it was okay so I'll give you half credit there, but after that when she gets told she can leave because Demeter is causing a eternal winter she doesn't want to leave and eat part of a pomegranate so that she can stay in the Underworld for at least part of the year. This shows that the second line "And in the end it’s her who took the blame" doesn't mean anything and blatantly shows the story incorrectly because they are then shown to be a actual stable relationship.
Okay so to sum up this song misconstrutes the first line and the second line is blatantly wrong. When you're writing songs like these please try to show the myths that actually show what you're saying and don't lie about your myth do research.(there could be other ones that are wrong in this song this was just the one I knew for a fact was wrong)
I do see the point being made in other comments that this is supposed to show the version of the story that appeared to the writer of the song when they were growing up but I would still especially with the Persephone story that this continues the line of misinformation of what the story actually was.
This is so good, I’m obsessed ❤❤❤
Amazing!
i fw this
This is amazing, love the Greek mythology and the messsage it sends !!! Please write more similar songs
How did I just found this now??!!😭
I’m absolutely in love with this song!! I’m proud to say I was here in the first 30 min
I loved this since I heard the acoustic version
I wish this was longer. 😢 it's so good!
I wish I had this song for my final presentation on Lucrezia Borgia when I was at art school in Florence years ago😭🥹💜
So good! This huts on such a level. ♡
I love it, healed something in me, thank you 🥺❤️
I love this! I hope it’s on Spotify soon!
It is now😊
I love all your music, Peggy! I was excited for Panic Attack when you put out the teaser. What happened?
This is such a cool song! I love it!! 🫶🏻
I really love your songs!! It's giving so many feelings
Adoro tu cancion PEGGY, además es que yo soy amante de la mitología griega y definitivamente la historia de Medusa me mata, la veo tan injusta que se me revuelve el estómago... Menos mal que cada vez conseguimos avanzar por buen camino.
Saludos ☺️❤️
I LOVE this song 😍😍😍
Okay this song needs to be seen by a lot of people I love it absolutely
I fear Peggy ate again guys this is so good
I love greek mythology, And This song is on repeat since I listened it for the first time.
Anne Boleyn was beheaded because she apparently "cheated" on Henry but the truth is Henry just wanted to get rid of her to marry her lady in waiting and needed an excuse. Its heartbreaking that she got beheaded for no reason but for the desire of a man. Katherine Howard, another pne of Henry's wives, got beheaded because she was apparently cheating but the truth is she was most likely just abused as a kid, she got punished for being a victim just like so many women in history and even today women get punished for their own abuse.
i've found my new hyperfixation ❤ such an amazing song!
the song and the animatics SLAP
Godd I love the music you make
We need more songs like thisssssssss🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
とても興味深い歌詞です！
This is so good!
I'm obsessed!!! THIS^^^
I love this 💗
The need to play this song as i get my Medusa tattoo
Can someone explain the ophelia, circe and Helen ones? 😅
I'm looking at the stats of the video right now, and I'm angry, like this is so good 😭😭♥, Great Song 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
i love this so much!!!
Safe to say I am obsessed. This will be my repeat song for a while
Can someone please tell me all the females mentioned from the book and the books name please 🥺
What book?
Omg I love the 2000 vibes like legally blonde or wilde child
Fantastic ❤
Can't wait
This is nice but when us the song you wrote for book boyfriends be out
LOOOVE IT❤❤❤
Athena’s never been a girl’s girl
Dude this slaps
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HELL YESS!! Someone's gonna ask me why I am a feminist, and I am gonna recommend them this song. I am tired of trying to prove my point. I hope they'll hear this and atleast think about if for a little while. GOD I LOVE IT!!
I agree with most if this but the whole of the french nobility had endless chances to deal with it peacefully and resolve issues but at every turn they sort to preserve thier privilege at expense of everything else.
I didn't know I needed a trans amphora until now xD
Also first time hearing one of Peggy's songs, and im here to stay.
Yyyyyyeeeeeesssssss 💜
Люблю феминизм, люблю таких классных женщин, как вы
this is the true *feminine rage: the musical*
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