I'm not going to nit-pick about a damn thing... THIS WAS AMAZING!!! Whoever is responsible for this work needs a raise. (and I'm sure there was a lot of work!) The details, the animation, and the information accuracy... Absolutely incredible. I don't think anyone understands just how badly I would love to see more of these for ALL kinds of projectiles!!! Tandem shaped charges, fragmentation, thermobaric... Idc! I've been looking for something like this for so long and there is just NO content that comes close to this on these topics. Seriously, well done and I REALLY hope to see more soon.
The only nitpick I've got with the animation is that the APCBC round should turn the other direction. The soft metal cap helps increase *penetration* by slightly adjusting the angle of the shell toward perpendicular with the armor if it strikes at an angle. The way you set it to turn would decrease penetration since it would need to punch through the equivalent of even more armor. It wasn't made to increase spalling, it was made to increase penetration at more angles.
@@Commander_35 That might be a side-effect, but the main reason was for 'normalization', aka: Making the shell adjust its angle to be more perpendicular to the armor plate it's striking at sharper angles. While I'm not too sure how accurate exactly it is in War Thunder, the game gives a decent visual of the effect. The lack of the ballistic cap means it loses a millimeter or two of penetration since it's a flatish, wide mass of metal instead of curved now, but the soft metal normal-cap means it can go through two-three more millimeters at sharper angles. EG: Round 1 APHE (armor piercing high explosive) goes through 60mm of armor at 10m at a 90 degree angle, 30mm at a 45 degree angle, and 10mm at a 70 degree angle. Round 2 APHEC (armor piercing high explosive capped) goes through 58mm of armor at 10m at 90 degree angle, 33mm at a 45 degree angle, and 13mm at a 70 degree angle.
@@5peciesunkn0wn The cap reduces the angle of shell deflection but doesn't actually "normalize" the shell towards perpendicular relative to the armor - rather the soft cap let's the shell "bite in" more to the armor before starting to deflect. Simulation: ruclips.net/video/gTomWXvyrtg/видео.html
The penetration cap was originally placed on shot to overcome the effects of face hardened armour in the early 1900s. Palliser shot was cast with a metal "chill" in the mould to produce a hard tip with the rest of the projectile left tough. This worked on early armour, but a way of "face hardening" armour was developed using techniques similar to case hardening. This left a thin skin of hard armour backed by tough armour. The effect of this was to shatter the tip of the shot, reducing its penetration significantly, often leading to breakup. The solution was to cover the tip of the projectile with a soft cap which transferred the initial shock of impact to the shoulders of the shot rather than the tip. This allowed the shot to break through the hard layer without shattering and improved the plastic flow of the penetration. There is also an type of cap that reduces the bending moment put on the projectile which can also lead to shatter. This is more seen on later APDS and APFSDS which have long rod penetrators..
The 88mm. Gr.39 HL/A HEAT shell actually had a lower armour penetration ability than the PzGr.39/1 & PzGr.39/2 APCBC-HE shot, at ranges below 1,200 metres.
Awesome video! I really liked your descriptions of everything and the animations looked great! Especially the APCBC and HEAT shells. Funny how WWII HEAT shells were often less effective than other kinds of armor piercing shells, and in some cases specifically because of the fact the barrel imparted spin onto the shells. A spinning HEAT shell creates a less effective jet of metal than a Fin-Stablized HEAT shell, hence why most tank barrels today are smooth-bored and fire Fin-Stabilized Sabots and HEAT shells.
You didn’t cover the cannon shot charges used for anti-personnel and thin skin vehicles. The computer graphics that you had would have been outstanding for a demonstration on those as well.
Well I came for the answer to one question, which wasn't addressed: how are the spent cartridges ejected? I've seen lots of footage of tanks firing, but have yet to see a cartridge ejected.
I thought shaped charge projectiles worked best if the shell was not spinning,which I read defuses the resulting blast cone,so it worked better if they were in a non-spin stabilized bazooka or Panzerfaust projectile.
Time fuzes need to be set for a certain delay / heigth. Those fuzes dont detonate on impact and none of the AA rounds I saw had a base fuze. I dont see the value of these fuzes for tanks and since every shell has to be set to explode at a specific distance this is another task that the gunner would have to do. This would be impractical to do inside of a tank in battle.
@@herrhaber9076 AA fuzes usually have a point detonating feature on off chance a shell actually hits an aircraft.. but more usually so that the shell can be used for direct fire self defence. All AA shells also include a self destruction device, either in the fuze or in the tracer. This is to self destruct the shell if either the timer fails or the shell does not hit the target..
@@felixthecat265 I got beautiful pictures of 2 88 shells found on Omaha beach (next to a 270mm fitted with a friction fuze!). Both suited with a beautifully preserved time fuze. The EOD I was with said "no point detonating fuze". But then, I also had to convince him that most 20mm have self destruct features. He didnt seem ready to believe me until I patiently explained the pyrotechnic train that is started by the tracer (tracer burn through). We had plenty of those around for examples "fortunately". What you say makes perfect sense, I was just told otherwise by someone who is supposed to know these things better than me ;).
Such creative destruction. Dan shame all that thought, effort, work, and money or into weapons rather than actually beneficial tech for improved little and humanity.
Weapons are humanity's fangs. They're a part of us. A tool like everything else. Violence is not desirable but sometimes you must use it. It's your reasons what determine if that's a good thing or not.
as far a I know shape charge is HEAT, as shape charge is a device that is design to concentrate it's explosive power in to a small area creating a jet when explode, this was used for anti-tank weapon such rocket propelled ammunition, cannon round, and AT grenade, sometimes in one device there is 2 shape charges it's called tandem shape where the first one is smaller that the second one to weaken anything that in the way and follow by the second one to deal the actual damage this is used for modern anti-tank rocket such as Javelin and NLAW and the latest ATGM fire by russian tank
I'm not going to nit-pick about a damn thing... THIS WAS AMAZING!!! Whoever is responsible for this work needs a raise. (and I'm sure there was a lot of work!) The details, the animation, and the information accuracy... Absolutely incredible. I don't think anyone understands just how badly I would love to see more of these for ALL kinds of projectiles!!! Tandem shaped charges, fragmentation, thermobaric... Idc! I've been looking for something like this for so long and there is just NO content that comes close to this on these topics.
Seriously, well done and I REALLY hope to see more soon.
The only nitpick I've got with the animation is that the APCBC round should turn the other direction. The soft metal cap helps increase *penetration* by slightly adjusting the angle of the shell toward perpendicular with the armor if it strikes at an angle. The way you set it to turn would decrease penetration since it would need to punch through the equivalent of even more armor. It wasn't made to increase spalling, it was made to increase penetration at more angles.
I thought the cap was made so the shell wouldn't shatter when it impacts the target?
@@Commander_35 That might be a side-effect, but the main reason was for 'normalization', aka: Making the shell adjust its angle to be more perpendicular to the armor plate it's striking at sharper angles.
While I'm not too sure how accurate exactly it is in War Thunder, the game gives a decent visual of the effect. The lack of the ballistic cap means it loses a millimeter or two of penetration since it's a flatish, wide mass of metal instead of curved now, but the soft metal normal-cap means it can go through two-three more millimeters at sharper angles.
EG:
Round 1 APHE (armor piercing high explosive) goes through 60mm of armor at 10m at a 90 degree angle, 30mm at a 45 degree angle, and 10mm at a 70 degree angle.
Round 2 APHEC (armor piercing high explosive capped) goes through 58mm of armor at 10m at 90 degree angle, 33mm at a 45 degree angle, and 13mm at a 70 degree angle.
@@5peciesunkn0wn The cap reduces the angle of shell deflection but doesn't actually "normalize" the shell towards perpendicular relative to the armor - rather the soft cap let's the shell "bite in" more to the armor before starting to deflect. Simulation: ruclips.net/video/gTomWXvyrtg/видео.html
The penetration cap was originally placed on shot to overcome the effects of face hardened armour in the early 1900s. Palliser shot was cast with a metal "chill" in the mould to produce a hard tip with the rest of the projectile left tough. This worked on early armour, but a way of "face hardening" armour was developed using techniques similar to case hardening. This left a thin skin of hard armour backed by tough armour. The effect of this was to shatter the tip of the shot, reducing its penetration significantly, often leading to breakup. The solution was to cover the tip of the projectile with a soft cap which transferred the initial shock of impact to the shoulders of the shot rather than the tip. This allowed the shot to break through the hard layer without shattering and improved the plastic flow of the penetration. There is also an type of cap that reduces the bending moment put on the projectile which can also lead to shatter. This is more seen on later APDS and APFSDS which have long rod penetrators..
@@KennyT187 Oooh. Right. That's what it was. Isn't there a slight side-effect of normalization though? Or am I thinking of something else?
The 88mm. Gr.39 HL/A HEAT shell actually had a lower armour penetration ability than the PzGr.39/1 & PzGr.39/2 APCBC-HE shot, at ranges below 1,200 metres.
Isn't the more explosive filler good for hitting fortified position?
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Awesome video! I really liked your descriptions of everything and the animations looked great! Especially the APCBC and HEAT shells.
Funny how WWII HEAT shells were often less effective than other kinds of armor piercing shells, and in some cases specifically because of the fact the barrel imparted spin onto the shells. A spinning HEAT shell creates a less effective jet of metal than a Fin-Stablized HEAT shell, hence why most tank barrels today are smooth-bored and fire Fin-Stabilized Sabots and HEAT shells.
Tank you for the video
wow you are really talented
WTF?!?!? How do you only have 553 subscribers? This was a well shown video. Good Job buddy.
amazing animations
Great animation :) Thank you!
THANK YOU SIR
Great Video keep it coming
You didn’t cover the cannon shot charges used for anti-personnel and thin skin vehicles. The computer graphics that you had would have been outstanding for a demonstration on those as well.
very good video thanks!!!!
Well I came for the answer to one question, which wasn't addressed: how are the spent cartridges ejected? I've seen lots of footage of tanks firing, but have yet to see a cartridge ejected.
I thought shaped charge projectiles worked best if the shell was not spinning,which I read defuses the resulting blast cone,so it worked better if they were in a non-spin stabilized bazooka or Panzerfaust projectile.
1:48 how could the shell explode inside when the fuse was already activated?
@@德菈赛oh thx mate
Hey there, how can I potentially contact you for a collaborative video?
The German 88mm was a beast of a gun
Nice video's!
Your graphics are amazing! I only wish that, as a Texan, had a better grasp of your accent. My bad, not yours.
The German 88mm AA gun fired timed fragmenting shells, which could be used against soft targets (exploding over target). Did tanks use the timer?
Time fuzes need to be set for a certain delay / heigth. Those fuzes dont detonate on impact and none of the AA rounds I saw had a base fuze.
I dont see the value of these fuzes for tanks and since every shell has to be set to explode at a specific distance this is another task that the gunner would have to do. This would be impractical to do inside of a tank in battle.
@@herrhaber9076 AA fuzes usually have a point detonating feature on off chance a shell actually hits an aircraft.. but more usually so that the shell can be used for direct fire self defence. All AA shells also include a self destruction device, either in the fuze or in the tracer. This is to self destruct the shell if either the timer fails or the shell does not hit the target..
@@felixthecat265 I got beautiful pictures of 2 88 shells found on Omaha beach (next to a 270mm fitted with a friction fuze!). Both suited with a beautifully preserved time fuze. The EOD I was with said "no point detonating fuze".
But then, I also had to convince him that most 20mm have self destruct features. He didnt seem ready to believe me until I patiently explained the pyrotechnic train that is started by the tracer (tracer burn through). We had plenty of those around for examples "fortunately".
What you say makes perfect sense, I was just told otherwise by someone who is supposed to know these things better than me ;).
Could you do Wow WWII/modern artillery shells work?
Aphecbc had explosive filler, apcbc didnt have any, only a strong metal round
how does APDS work?
make hollow bullets with missile core
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Such creative destruction. Dan shame all that thought, effort, work, and money or into weapons rather than actually beneficial tech for improved little and humanity.
Radar was invented because of war.
Radar has been used commercially. Can be found on airports
Weapons are humanity's fangs. They're a part of us. A tool like everything else. Violence is not desirable but sometimes you must use it. It's your reasons what determine if that's a good thing or not.
Algorithm.
Such a terrible HEAT design
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Shaped Charge is not HEAT
as far a I know shape charge is HEAT, as shape charge is a device that is design to concentrate it's explosive power in to a small area creating a jet when explode, this was used for anti-tank weapon such rocket propelled ammunition, cannon round, and AT grenade, sometimes in one device there is 2 shape charges it's called tandem shape where the first one is smaller that the second one to weaken anything that in the way and follow by the second one to deal the actual damage this is used for modern anti-tank rocket such as Javelin and NLAW and the latest ATGM fire by russian tank
HEAT rounds use the Munroe effect = shaped charge
Aphecbc had explosive filler, apcbc didnt have any, only a strong metal round