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5 Hard Truths of Marathon Training
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- Marathon training is hard and it's best to be prepared. This is a coach's perspective on the most common difficulties and how to get through them.
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I ran my first marathon at 64 years old. I wasn’t concerned with time or anything, didn’t have a watch or a fancy plan. I looked at a couple plans online and kinda followed them in principle. I did great, 4:30 plus something, but I talked to people and stuff. One thing I read was to smile, physically smile, and to have fun. I did and I loved it. I’m 70 now and I’m gonna run another one in about a week and a couple days, planning to get Boston qualifying time. I’m doing about the same, except I’ve learned to fuel, (honey), and I’m resting lots more. I used to run everyday, 10 miles, I mix it up now, cross training, swimming and biking. I’ve done a couple half Ironman distances. For me, I need to remember why I’m doing this, because I enjoy it. Gotta have fun, I don’t have to make some time, nobody cares. Smile and have fun.
Hey John - I agree with the smiling!! Did this at my marathon this weekend and it helps so much! And yes, if it's not fun what's the point? Good luck on clinching that BQ...which marathon are you doing?
Thanks. Congrats on the marathon. I’m in Sinaloa, Mexico and plane to run the Culiacán marathon this Sunday. I need to remember to not be so competitive and to prioritize having fun.
@@johnhutton2500 that can be tough, but makes a difference in the whole experience for sure. Best of luck to you!!
Thanks for your help I am planning to do my first marathon just started running after 32 years. Having fun know i m 54 years old I know I m on right track after reading your story. Smile and keep running 🏃♂️
Ive noticed the way my runs feel from day to day change. Yesterday I did 6 miles easy paced and i felt blah. Today I did 16 with some marathon paces in it and I felt awesome. So like Jane says don't worry if you have bad runs. Just keep running.
Great to hear from someone in the thick of it right now! Yep, no need to dwell on if it didn't go perfectly...a mile is another mile in the bank no matter what.
Running my first marathon 6 months from now, 10 days before my 60th birthday. I find your advice and coaching wonderful and extremely helpful.
Thank you!!
That is awesome! I hope you have an amazing experience and so glad to hear you've found the channel helpful.
How was it?
@@hunter1029016 good question.
I love your list! One of my Hard Truths is no Plan can prepare you for the suffering towards the end of a Marathon. Just remember the grit it took you to finish those hard workouts so you can learn how to be comfortable being uncomfortable.
Really helpful to hear. Adding that to my mental preparation.
Oh my gosh, so true! Appreciate you chiming in. Prob need to do a "hard truths of the marathon" too. Even when you've done them over and over you forget the exactly feeling until you get there again.
I ran my first full marathon back in 2019. I used a six month program. I had a good group of people that I trained with. They are all marathon runners. I am glad I did it.
Absolutely! Training with others is a great way to keep pushing forward. In fact, I meant to say this during the sacrifice part...surround yourself with others who are also training for something big and it will be easier to forego some of the other social activities you might avoid at this time.
@@runningwithjane the pacers at the races really help you out. Thanks for always listening to me.
@@ManuelMartinez-wj3cb they definitely can!! Of course - thanks for supporting the channel.
if it was easy, everyone would do it. Love your vids Coach Jane, thank you for always being up front with all of us, and often telling us the hard truths about running. Have an awesomeness week.
It just keeps us prepared when we know what's coming and hopefully helps people make an informed decision about when it's the right time to train for a tough race like the marathon! You have an awesome week, too, Ken!
Great advice! I've done a lot of marathons and when I first started years ago my progress was so fast the first 3-4 months. It felt amazing. It then progressed, like you said, slowly, but for me progress was really slow. Improvement came at a snail's pace, even with weekly VO2 Max, HIIT and 80/20 training. It took nearly 3 years of consistent running to finally and consistently hit a great mileage pace. I've seen so many runners quit when they give themselves unrealistic marathon expectations. The progress-takes-time point you made is so, so important.
Hey Nick - those plateaus are very real and can be frustrating. Could not agree more about just.keep.going!
I’m definitely feeling the marathon training fatigue! I’m 9 weeks away from my race and I’m so ready to be done haha
You GOT this!!! It's tough, but it will absolutely be worth every mile and sacrifice!
Try Wim Hof method in cold water.
Great video! I’m currently training to run my first marathon in January. I’m a quarter of the way through my training plan and I know that things will get tougher physically and mentally over the next few months. Fortunately my only goal is to finish the race so not having the added pressure of reaching a time goal will help me with the process. 😁
Hi Gina - so glad you found it helpful!! You absolutely have the right idea of just doing the best training you can possibly do and then have an incredible first marathon experience!
I'm getting ready to run my first marathon at the end of this year, and I really appreciate this video!
You're so welcome! Wishing you the best!
These are fantastic vids. Watching heaps before Melbourne Marathon on October 2 and trying to break 4 hours for the first time at my 5th go
That's awesome, David! Improving at running definitely takes time. You're awesome for continuing the journey of pursuing your goal! Crossing my fingers for you that you get that sub-4! (I have an athlete running Melbourne as well!)
I related to so many of those, Jane! Except the wanting to quit one. But number one especially. I am LOVING running now since we started working together 8 and a half months ago. I am just fascinated with all the internal changes and the rarely addressed mental aspect of running. I consider you a big part of my personal success, as I do NOT want to miss a run or blow any part of my training. It’s good to have that accountability. What is neat is I am always evolving so what once may have seemed important may just fade and other things may come into focus better. You learn so much about yourself and the desire to do better is always there. Plus you can tell all your friends “I just ripped out a 13 mile easy run this morning” and they give you the stink face as if you’re nuts. It only becomes easier and you can adjust your goals as you progress. It’s such a wonderful sport!!
Everything about this makes me SO happy! I have absolutely loved working with you and watching your amazing progress. I cannot wait to see what you continue to do. And what you said about training always evolving is so true...certain things are more important than others during different times of your life, too. Sometimes the racing is exciting and other times when life is really hard, you're just incredibly thankful to have running as something you're able to do for your mental health.
And in regards to the mental aspects of training...I really want to focus on this more. If you have anything specific you think I could talk about that would help others, please let me know!
When I saw the "you've been warned", I thought you were going to talk about the bad The Warning (this is their slogan!), but of course, I stayed for the running stuff which is why I'm here.
Still really fun to see this phrase! 😃
I'm using your beginner marathon training plan for my first marathon, Chicago 2022! 8 weeks away from race day! I'm now entering mileage I've never done before. I'm nervous but very excited!
Hi Julia! This makes me so happy to hear! So proud of you for getting into those big weeks. Keep prioritizing proper rest and quality nutrition making sure you're getting enough fuel as the miles build. Keep going - 8 weeks will be here before you know it!
How was it?
This was extremely helpful information. Running my first marathon in November and I’m adding this to my Marathon training playlist
So glad to hear it was helpful! Which marathon will you be running?
Thank you for the motivation and wisdom! I definitely don’t feel like quitting but I can relate to much of what you said. Since this is my first marathon, I will be happy to just finish but I am glad to know I would do better the more I do this.
Absolutely! Every marathon and training block is an opportunity to learn and improve. Just popped into your training log and you are rocking it, Joanne!!! So so proud of you and all of your hard work. You're doing it!!
Sage advice, especially about setting realistic goals based on prior results.
Absolutely! It's ok to have lofty goals, but you also don't want to be completely unrealistic in fear your body can adapt to in a certain period of time.
So incredibly useful and comforting just what I needed to hear and answered a lot of questions thanks so much!
I'm so glad to hear it was helpful for you!
I made that first mistake... injuries from starting too fast because I could and was over confident.. now I am trying to fix this mistake and hoping for the best ...! It's so tough because I follow running influencers and I swear all of them are doing so much
It's all a learning process. You don't know til you know sometimes and then you learn for next time. Hopefully you're seeing a PT or someone who can help get you back out there soon! Also, don't get caught up in what others are doing...most running influencers you probably follow have been running for many years and are experienced marathon runners. But I know it's so hard not to compare. Best of luck to you, Mindy!
Judging real life to influencer media is a MISTAKE.
No matter how flashy they are compared to me in their new sponsored shoes. Doesn’t mean I won’t stomp them unto pain life with my thrift store trainers
I'm a novice/intermediate runner, and the furthest I've raced is 10k.
I'm about to start marathon training (20 weeks.) I set my heart on a marathon - I have ADHD and I've found the best way to keep me motivated is to set a really ambitious, exciting goal then prepare and train like crazy!
This is really helpful, thank you so much!
(I have a huge why - recovering after 6 years of mental health struggles, bereavement, and just not living my life. Finally getting an ADHD diagnosis and starting running has quite literally saved my life.
So this is my huge goal, my reward, my proof to myself anf the world that I CAN achieve incredible things!)
Yes!! I am so happy to hear you found running and that you have set an ambitious goal that you are excited about! I hope the channel helps you as you move through marathon training. Wishing you best of luck!
@Running With Jane thank you so much! I'm nervous but I know I can do this. Really happy I found this channel, so helpful and encouraging 🥰 This video is great for beginners who might not realise that ups and downs are a normal part of the process, and it doesn't mean you're going to fail :)
Great video, Jane!🤓 All great and very true points! Patience is definitely a very key thing for me in marathon training. Having the long term patience to keep building towards the race with each day of the training block, realizing there will be good days and bad days and just trying to stay present and not get too far ahead of myself. Then to have the patience during the marathon to stay within myself, trust my training and realize that no matter what I have done, there is going to be pain, going to be struggle. But then, this is part of the beauty of why I do marathons, as you mentioned, if only 1/2 of a % of the world's population has done a marathon, it is a special achievement to push one's body and mind through the preparation and completion of 26.2 miles! Thanks for the excellent video and I hope your training is going well! Cheers, Scott
Hi Scott - great to hear from you! Absolutely, every marathon training and finish is one to be celebrated! It's a ton of work and so worth it when you stick it out. What are you up to training for these days?
@@runningwithjane Hi Jane, I'm currently training to do a virtual marathon in Oct/Nov, my training is still pretty consistent although our summer is pretty hot, so my pace is quite a bit slower. But I'm getting it done, which is what matters! I also started some great strength/cross training as a 24 hr Anytime Fitness gym just opened less than 10 minutes walk from my house! So I'm excited to see how that helps as my virtual marathon rolls around when the weather will be much cooler! Do you plan on doing Boston next year also? Hope all is well with you, your family and your training! Cheers, Scott
@@runscottyrun5297 so wonderful to be able to walk to the gym!! Planning for Boston at this point, yes!
Just always remember your WHY because you are asking yourself and your body to do something a very small percentage of the population will ever try. When you reach what we call The Pain Cave, embrace it. This makes you Awesome !
You absolutely have to!! And yes, it makes you VERY awesome!
Great list, just subscribed to your channel.
I'm deep into a 4mo plan for a mid October marathon (it'll be my first, and almost coincide with my 41st birthday). Already missed 10 days of training this month because of Covid, but have mostly caught up, I think. We'll see!
So sorry to hear Covid put you down for a bit - one of the athletes I coach was in your same boat. She bounced back quickly and it sounds like you are, too. Frustrating when those uncontrollables get in the way, but that's life, and it's all part of the process of adapting and getting stronger over time. I hope the rest of training goes smoothly for you!
Nicely put, great advice. Rest between marathon training cycles to avoid injury, and repeat! That BQ might take a few cycles...
Agreed. People want it right now, but the body doesn't work that way.
Thank you! Amazing tips and very helpful. 😍
You're so welcome, Danielle - thanks for watching!
This was very informative. Grappling with the hard truths on an internal level is way harder than the external measurements and goals. I have subscribed to this channel. Thank you! 🙏
Agreed! It's not easy that's for sure.
Ooo this video has a steady tone sound happening in the background. Good content regardless.
Ran just the half marathon. Did pretty good for first one. It was humbling because so many people passed me up, but so many people I was ahead of at the same time. What helped me with my muslce soreness was my techniques from massage therapy school. Not sure should I do for the full marathon later. But the 13.1 run was really fun.
Congrats on your first half marathon! That's a big deal. No need to do full marathons if you don't want to...or perhaps someday you will want to. But the half is a fun distance!
Thank you so much for this video
You're very welcome!
I am starting a training plan to run my very first marathon. I have done 2 half marathons and improved my time by 6 mins but that I believe was more mental in knowing what to expect and having a better frame of mind for it. I have found a 52 week beginner's training plan to go by and I am sure I will encounter everything you mentioned in this video. I am actually looking forward to completing this goal but training through the 4 seasons is my worry, running in the cold weather as well as the scorching heat. Bring on the fun.
Hi Dan - that's great that you are preparing yourself well in advance for your first marathon. Just make sure you build in a bit of a rest break (a week of little to no running or at least not following a strict schedule) each quarter so that you don't get burnt out. Strength training alongside the running will also be important to stay injury-free.
@@runningwithjane thank you for the advice. Like yourself i go to Orangetheory too. I use to go 5 times a week but during my training i am going to go once maybe twice a week and instead of running on the treadmill, i may switch to the bike at times. Your videos have helped me understand what is ahead and cannot wait.
Great advice.. Quality video 🤙🏼
Thanks for watching, Shane!
I will be running my first marathon in October this year a week before i hit 65. Have run plenty of half marathons in the last few years in the 1.31 - 1.35 range based purely on training for Ironman 70.3s. My run mileage when training for triathlons was 40 - 50 kilometers a week, with lots of swimming and cycling, however i have decided to cut out most of the bike/swim training and just concentrate on running. Have now been running 80 kilometers a week for the last 6 weeks mostly 80/20 and plan on hitting 100 kilometers a month before the marathon. Am curious what effect being now a pure runner will have on my run form. My run legs definitely feel better after cutting out cycling.Hopefully i will find out come October if cycling has been detrimental for my running! I have not landed on a goal time yet but thought i would test myself and run a half marathon in zone 3.
I comment on almost EVERY post because it helps the logarithm . . .
I just want to do a 10K trail run at before I hit 70 years old (in 2-1/2 years) but I also want to keep doing 500 mile backpack trips. So I guess that's a time goal haha Just finish in the middle of my age category in the next two years.
You can do it!
6 weeks left till my 4th stand alone marathon (Ironman's don't count), I'm attempting to BQ and going into this race with a 5 minute deficit your comments on goal/speed expectations are appropriate, if I don't get there this time I will next - I know I can, I just need to continue the build/journey!!
100% Paul!! Running time goals definitely don't need to have fixed end dates...you can keep progressing and building your potential. What marathon are you running?
@@runningwithjane I'm doing Mesa in Arizona Feb 4th, and recently found out I got into London (my fourth WM Star) April 23rd....
just completed my first half marathon this past weekend. now i do like to put a marathon as a goal on the horizon. however i rather train properly for one vs just entering and finishing one for the sake of doing a marathon. just now is the case of where to start on training
Ah so fun! It's a great feeling when you get the bug and are ready for the next challenge. Here is a link to a video that talks about a free marathon training plan I have if you want to start there: ruclips.net/video/9ojMGaJhWmA/видео.html
I’m two weeks out today and was feeling really tired 4 weeks out. Did my longest ever run 3 weeks out and was feeling over the moon and ready to taper. Then today I woke up with awful food poisoning :( thankfully tomorrow is a holiday where I live so I will be able to make up my long run then. I’m feeling better and am carb loading with rice and bread for my tummy and rehydrating like crazy.
Oh yuck, I'm so sorry to hear this! Well, if it makes you feel better, I got an awful stomach bug 5 days before the Boston Marathon and I thought it was going to do me in, but it was still a great race. Hope you feel well enough for your long run, but don't overdo it. You're almost there and the hay is in the barn!!
@@runningwithjane really helpful to hear that this happens to other people! Thanks for your encouraging words :)
I appreciate the advice.
You're so welcome!
Im not particularly excited, but its also easier for me in some sense. Im 64, my only goal is to finish one.
I get that - it's definitely nerve wracking going into it. But many things worth doing leave you with those emotions. Wishing you best of luck on your training and your race - you can do it!!
Good facts regarding tackling the marathon. Be careful if you’re OCD because you could wind up chasing Boston, and then the majors medal. 😂 Marathoning is the best. 👍🏼
LOL I'm not OCD but fully get that! I just REALLY LOVE the marathon.
@@runningwithjane 😂😂😂
Awesome advice
Glad you found it helpful, Noah!
The first part where you said you question everything made me start laughing and have to press pause. I'm training for my 2nd marathon, and all the questions are there again.
Michelle, LOLOL!!! Happens every dang time, even when you love it so much like me. Wishing you best of luck on your training!
Hi Jane, I am a 32 year old woman in my last month of marathon training and I need advice. I've been active in a wide variety of activities my whole life, but over the last couple of years, I've really focused on improving my running. I am a "normal" weight by bmi but I had some health issues in the spring that led to me gaining 10lbs. When I began my marathon training program, I figured it would help with dropping the weight. Months later and not only have I not lost any, I have actually gained another 2lbs this past week, just after my longest (20mi) run. It affects my performance and motivation. With only a month to go, is there anything realistic I can do to feel better on race day? I'm nervous so late in the game to make any big changes, but obviously something isn't working. Or maybe I need to accept this is how my body will be on race day and just focus on what I can do differently afterwards. Thanks for the great content and honest insights!
Hi there! TBH, weight gain in marathon training is actually not that abnormal. Sometimes this stems from thinking we can eat all the things because we're running all the miles, but at other times that's not the case at all. I'm sorry that it's affecting your performance and motivation - I would really encourage you to ditch the scale for at least the next month. Try to eat intuitively and listen to your body and give it what it's telling you it needs. Definitely not a good time to try to lose weight. And lady, you just ran 20 miles and you should be damn proud of what that body is allowing you to do!!! Post marathon, I'd encourage you to work with a nutritionist - there are many who work specifically with runners and I could give you a few names. Enjoy your last month of marathon training and just go out and do your best!
@@runningwithjane I really appreciate your response, especially the reminder of putting into perspective what my body has already accomplished. I'll focus on your advice to stay the course through the training and race and then look into making changes afterwards. Thanks!
I had to stop marathon prep, it was killing me physically and mentaly, I have a physically demanding job, it really felt like I was doing too much, I was killing myself
I'm so sorry to hear that, Kevin. Sometimes it's just not the right time. I hope in the future, perhaps at a more settled time, you'll be able to fit it in if it's something that's important to you. All the best!
@@runningwithjane but I have't lost my love for running
The concept of cumulative fatigue is a struggle for many of us.
For sure! Tough to determine what is normal and what's not!
@@runningwithjane Even though the logical side of me understands this concept, the emotional side of me is like "you are exhausted and missing paces, how are you going to complete this 50K coming up?"
@@BFF_Runner Yes! Such a normal thought process. I always remind everyone they will be fully tapered come race day!
After committing to Wim Hof I no longer have cumulative fatigue
Very good advice!!!
Thanks for watching, Jeff!
All i can say about the training ,Hard to train because of my work schedule i get home 6:30 pm know gets close to dark 7 pm ,my Alternate is go on my peloton like i use for training in a marathon is that acceptable training
Peloton treadmill do you mean? If so, then yes! Treadmill is fine! If Peloton bike, you don't want to replace your necessary runs with that but can be great XT. Can you go out in the morning?
I’m less than 30days from my first full marathon and I’m struggling. I did my longest (17mi ) and felt solid the next day . Then I couldn’t move the next week ! It turns out I’m supposed to be tapering anyway! If I don’t succeed, it be because I’m out of shape , it will be mental
Keep up with your taper runs and then fill the rest of the time with something else you enjoy. Focus on planning for the big day. Also make sure you are running your long runs at an easy enough pace, fatigue at this point is VERY normal, but you also shouldn't feel like you can't complete your weekly mileage. You're almost there. Believe in yourself, David...you got this!
great video !!
Glad it helped!
I want to give myself a minimum of 12 months to prepare, starting with long walks first, because I'm a complete beginner and I've never ran a day in my life. Is that okay?
Yes, that's a perfect way to start! You might find this video helpful with complementary 8-month "from scratch" marathon plan: ruclips.net/video/T9PfLfThUgg/видео.html
@@runningwithjane amazing, thank you so much!
So I have been training for two years, strength training. My cardio was always abysmal. I couldn’t run a mile, and at first I struggled to even slow jog at 5 MPH for a tenth of a mile.
Now if I PUSH I can get a mile in about 8 minutes, but that’s IT. I have run a bunch of 5K’s, I do one every Sunday now, and I have never gotten below 30 minutes and right now I’m averaging 31-33 minutes HARD effort and I’m falling over afterwards.
I keep seeing videos talking about people maintaining an 8 minute mile pace for hours and I can barely do it for 8 minutes.
This is the most frustrated I’ve ever been since beginning my training. I get that my focus was always strength and I didn’t work on cardio as much but HOW is it possible I can still have cardio this far below normal levels after all this time?
Without having more info, the thing that stands out to me is that you are trying to best your 5k time every weekend. You likely need a bigger base...higher volume of miles/kms logged. Most of this should be at an easy pace. Focus on building up time on feet for 6 weeks and then try racing that 5k again.
Right on Jane
You're out there doing it!! Proud of you!
Love your channel! I have a few questions. Im about 3 weeks into a 16 week garmin marathon training plan. I decided to run a marathon thats a month later then my original date so i would have more time to train. Do i just keep doing the plan then start it over 16 weeks out? Can i do a week twice to fill in the week and half? What would work best? Also how would i know if a sub 4 hour time is doable with my current fitness level?
Hey Aaron, nothing at all wrong with doing a week two times in a row! You'll be that much stronger for it all and more used to the mileage as it comes. Here's a video to help with that last question: ruclips.net/video/aXu4jA-SJsM/видео.html
6? Love your videos. Learning a lot.
Signed, Queen of Nothing
Were there 6 haha? I guess a bonus for you all. Glad you are finding the videos helpful, Celeste!!
I have been training since March 2023 . I have been taking my rest days and also I have seen significant weight loss 10 pounds to be exact . I feel more energetic and I am able to sleep better. I have been accepted for the 2023 nyc marathon. Like you say I keep training as prescribed so I can feel comfortable running the marathon. I need more help into what month should I start tapering my training.
3 week taper is usually best for first-time marathoners!
Love that you are feeling great in training, Oscar!
@@runningwithjanethank you
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Please please stop saying “guys”…. Otherwise good Video 👍😊👏
Why?
You make a lot of promises 😂