What Is IMPERMANENT LOSS? DEFI Explained - Uniswap, Curve, Balancer, Bancor

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  • Опубликовано: 20 авг 2020
  • Have you ever provided liquidity to a liquidity pool just to realise that some of your coins have gone missing? In this video, we’ll learn what “impermanent loss” is and how it can affect liquidity providers’ profits.
    In essence, impermanent loss is a temporary loss of funds occurring when providing liquidity. It’s very often explained as a difference between holding an asset versus providing liquidity in that asset. Impermanent loss is usually observed in standard liquidity pools where the liquidity provider (LP) has to provide both assets in a correct ratio, and one of the assets is volatile in relation to the other, for example, in a Uniswap DAI/ETH 50/50 liquidity pool.
    If ETH goes up in value, the pool has to rely on arbitrageurs continually ensuring that the pool price reflects the real-world price to maintain the same value of both tokens in the pool. This basically leads to a situation where profit from the token that appreciated in value is taken away from the liquidity provider. At this point, if the LP decides to withdraw their liquidity, the impermanent loss becomes permanent.
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  • @Finematics
    @Finematics  3 года назад +27

    ❓Have you ever been affected by Impermanent Loss?
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    • @90nomads
      @90nomads 3 года назад +3

      I got wrecked on AMPL/ETH pool - such bad timing 😥

    • @anon-jo5gm
      @anon-jo5gm 3 года назад +6

      What happens in the "opposite" scenario where token A increases in price and token B remains the same? What happens if both tokens increase in value? (Can't find the answer anywhere)

    • @jadeemme3697
      @jadeemme3697 3 года назад +4

      Hey, would you be able to explain how APRs are calculated/executed for LP providers? Some of those APRs listed are insanely highly, like 1000% APR. Is that too good to be true, and how do the LPers accrue this APR? Through tokens? Through the coins they put into the LP?

    • @siralexbateman
      @siralexbateman 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, do you effectively get more if the opposite happened? The coin value goes down. Do you get the coins back plus more $?

    • @AlexTrout79
      @AlexTrout79 2 года назад +3

      I’ve been affected by both impermanent and permanent loss

  • @fatjohn1408
    @fatjohn1408 3 года назад +553

    I could listen to you saying 'arbitrageur' all day.

  • @Hopeyoumakeit
    @Hopeyoumakeit 3 года назад +100

    your channel is a gem

  • @scottPL77
    @scottPL77 3 года назад +136

    I've already gone through two videos on your channels and both explained to me difficult concepts which I failed before to understand by reading about them. Thanks for that. Really good ratio of knowledge shared vs. video length :)

    • @gwho
      @gwho 2 года назад

      This didn't explain jack.

    • @BillBlackfund4u
      @BillBlackfund4u 2 года назад

      @@gwho Made sense to me...

    • @crvne
      @crvne 2 года назад

      o0o I love that! knowledge:vid Length is a new key metric imo.

    • @cryptomadness7271
      @cryptomadness7271 2 года назад

      @@gwho go back to one of his beginner videos.

  • @theprez77
    @theprez77 3 года назад +54

    Its great that Count Von Count is teaching Defi to the kids..
    Great vids, thank you kindly for making, but sorry had to do it.

  • @youtubeismyjockey7581
    @youtubeismyjockey7581 3 года назад +25

    Well explained, the calculation example really helps!

  • @Bashar3A
    @Bashar3A 3 года назад +15

    Great video. I'm holding on to some volatile assets I'm expecting to raise in price in near future, and thus reluctant to putting it in pools.

  • @clearlybehind
    @clearlybehind 2 года назад +5

    Thank you. Fantastic video. Arbitrageur part was explained in simple terms which was helpful putting together the whole concept.

  • @beny.5736
    @beny.5736 3 года назад +41

    I guess the key lesson is that if you are providing liquidity, do so in assets that are expected to maintain their relative value over the long term if you don't want to suffer from impermanent loss.

    • @gnarxy
      @gnarxy 3 года назад +35

      but you're missing the point of the LP tokens. Say you are doing a SOME TOKEN/DAI pair.. and providing the liquidity. DAI is a stable coin.. so even if SOME TOKEN goes up 500% in value, which would give you impermanent loss of about 25% of SOME TOKEN. But you also received the LP token for that pull and are farming more of SOME TOKEN at a 2000% APY, the additional SOME TOKENS you are earning and able to harvest, far outweigh the impermanent loss.

    • @mr.november1857
      @mr.november1857 2 года назад +3

      How do you know that they’re going to maintain their relative value? You don’t. Especially if it’s two assets you’re providing - making it that much challenging. The incentives I believe and the lack of fear can help - just don’t know anyone knows if anyone knows anything tbh

    • @parrishdominguez3495
      @parrishdominguez3495 2 года назад

      @@gnarxy If you see this comment can you look at my question I posted up top :), I think you just answered my question. Is it fair to say if the APY is higher than the Impermanent Loss, and assuming the Assets didnt drop to 0. Profits will be made?

    • @Showmetheevidence-
      @Showmetheevidence- 2 года назад +2

      True, except crypto is - by it's nature - so volatile that it's almost impossible to predict. Stable coins might be the only ones that have any level of stability.
      Pesonally I think for smaller investors you're actually better off just staking coins.

    • @Showmetheevidence-
      @Showmetheevidence- 2 года назад

      @@mr.november1857 They're mostly making it up! No-one can accurately predict the ratios of coin values...

  • @Gibonsli
    @Gibonsli 3 года назад +8

    Thank you for the professionalism!

  • @JustMe-dw9rl
    @JustMe-dw9rl 3 года назад +5

    Wow I’ve just found these videos. You explain everything in a succinct way with all the pertinent information. Thank you!
    It should help a lot of people.

  • @nonamedlish
    @nonamedlish 3 года назад +6

    Thank youman, I finally understand. Trying to learn this by reading about it was a nightmare

  • @elhexidente9832
    @elhexidente9832 3 года назад +9

    Cant believe i didn't find this channel earlier! Thank you!

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад +1

      I'm glad you found it now :)

  • @geekkstuff6674
    @geekkstuff6674 2 года назад +6

    Finally understood permanent loss. Better than most videos on the topic. Loves the examples on how much you can lose.

  • @theflipside2709
    @theflipside2709 3 года назад +4

    Clear, succinct explanation!

  • @jeromio21
    @jeromio21 3 года назад +7

    Thanks man , you are making Defi really accessible for everybody :)

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад +1

      Great to hear! Thanks :)

  • @MrGrannyStylez
    @MrGrannyStylez 2 года назад

    thanks for explaining that concept in 10minutes! I like the visuals. keep up the good work :)

  • @alainlavallee3448
    @alainlavallee3448 3 года назад +1

    Finally a clear explanation , great

  • @mattdhorstman
    @mattdhorstman 3 года назад +3

    Clear, concise, well-illustrated example. Well done.

  • @jeremyhazel9074
    @jeremyhazel9074 2 года назад +1

    Man.....subscribed...you killed it....love the way you explained the concepts

  • @tobiprivat8878
    @tobiprivat8878 3 года назад +6

    great! totally underrated content!!

  • @tyvaughnholness1985
    @tyvaughnholness1985 2 года назад +4

    This was fantastic, thank you! I appreciated the detail on the examples as well.

  • @GreenfieldPortfolioResearch
    @GreenfieldPortfolioResearch 2 года назад

    i'm amazed by the quality of the content. congratulations, yet again.

  • @aaronfreeman4144
    @aaronfreeman4144 3 года назад +61

    This channel is awesome. I'm grateful for your expertise and time.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад +6

      Thanks! Great to hear :)

  • @jesseallan9006
    @jesseallan9006 3 года назад +1

    Excellent explanation. Thank you!

  • @mcJayX
    @mcJayX 3 года назад +1

    AMAZING video. Thanks for posting.

  • @soundisfunction
    @soundisfunction 2 года назад

    This channel is truly phenomenal

  • @gmanova
    @gmanova 3 года назад +1

    what a fantastic explanation. thank you.

  • @marcelchuo
    @marcelchuo 3 года назад +2

    Best explainer video on DeFi out there. Thanks man

  • @gutzz12
    @gutzz12 3 года назад +4

    very informative always buddy
    thanks

  • @Molecularjewelry
    @Molecularjewelry 2 года назад

    still the clearest explaination I can find - visuals help thanks

  • @KylanHurt
    @KylanHurt 3 года назад

    Very high quality video. Thanks you for making!

  • @JohnAlanWoods
    @JohnAlanWoods 2 года назад

    Great video - I send this to anyone that needs to understand IL.

  • @nada347_
    @nada347_ 2 года назад +1

    Liked and subscribed. Thank you for explaining these so effectively.

  • @HippiePajon
    @HippiePajon 2 года назад

    Thank you!! I finally understand this topic

  • @GabrielRubens
    @GabrielRubens 3 года назад

    Great explanation, this channel is a hidden gem

  • @blackalert3383
    @blackalert3383 3 года назад +5

    Thanks for another great video. Would love to see another video on impermanent loss when it’s a non-stablecoin so two volatile cryptos. And any tips on managing that

  • @lucsu1428
    @lucsu1428 3 года назад +1

    Wow, thanks for the explanation and the cool graphic!

  • @elleobi
    @elleobi 2 года назад

    This was really helpful. Thank you!

  • @CedricAbeck
    @CedricAbeck 3 года назад

    So clear, thank you so much !!!

  • @limeroundup
    @limeroundup 3 года назад +1

    Incredible. Best explanation ever!

  • @viurnne
    @viurnne 3 года назад

    great lengthy detail explanations

  • @PrisonerZ3RO
    @PrisonerZ3RO 2 года назад

    Best explanation EVER !!!!

  • @Cheezenuts
    @Cheezenuts 3 года назад +3

    Does the dollar amount you put in the pool (excluding slippage & interest accrued) remain the same regardless of positive or negative volatility of the asset? Or can the dollar amount that you initially pooled increase as long as there’s a 50/50 balance between the two assets?

  • @omidsarayanibafghi222
    @omidsarayanibafghi222 3 года назад +5

    Awesome videos! You have a talent to comprehend and explain hard to grasp concepts in a brief yet comprehensive format.

  • @rezaxxx
    @rezaxxx 3 года назад +1

    Great video, thank you.

  • @oveyshd
    @oveyshd 3 года назад +1

    Great videos, great illustration! Very educative.
    Thank you

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад

      Thanks! Glad they are helpful :)

  • @stevenxalchemy5906
    @stevenxalchemy5906 3 года назад +1

    Another awesome video. Well explained on impermanent loss. Keep up the fab work!!!!

  • @Mike-cr1nc
    @Mike-cr1nc 3 года назад +3

    Thank you for this my friend, will recommend you !

  • @giordanogiordani81
    @giordanogiordani81 3 года назад +2

    Hi, Finematics Team. How are you doing? Guys please, allow automatic subtitles in your videos. Maybe it will help a lot of others people, subscribers of your channel and me as well. As a no-english speacker even though been fluent in english, subtitles always help...thanks and congrats for your excellent work here. Cheers

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад +2

      thanks, started adding it for the new videos

  • @TheRollupCo
    @TheRollupCo 2 года назад

    Your channel is amazing, very interesting DeFi video

  • @internationalgolfconstruction
    @internationalgolfconstruction 3 года назад +2

    Best vid on impermanent loss.

  • @hugoamorim5301
    @hugoamorim5301 3 года назад

    Yes this is bad in current situation that we are huge bull market but in last 3 years was good. Nice video

  • @raoulml1
    @raoulml1 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for the great content.

  • @bonzo1928
    @bonzo1928 3 года назад

    Very clear, thanks!

  • @-.TS.-
    @-.TS.- 2 года назад

    Definitely needed this!

  • @ic3b3rgi23
    @ic3b3rgi23 3 года назад +2

    Great Video man, like always 💯

  • @GabrielEnema
    @GabrielEnema Год назад

    Great info, your explanations are super easy to assimilate☺☺☺

  • @DG-mo1zf
    @DG-mo1zf 2 года назад

    Very informative video, thank you!

  • @kenmeyer100
    @kenmeyer100 2 года назад

    Very valuable explanation! I have been wading through tons of materials where the authors themselves did no seem to understand the underlying concepts and just spit out some gibberish

  • @agentlier6974
    @agentlier6974 3 года назад +3

    You know your stuff really well man. Great in information 👍👍👍👍

  • @themfu
    @themfu 2 года назад

    Great videos on your channel.

  • @Jesussaft
    @Jesussaft Год назад

    Great video! I am currently investing in a token which I expect to blow up soon (x10 and above). I thought I am smart by providing liquidity because I would gain fees on all the buys coming in but now it looks like there will be serious impermanent loss. Time to get out of the liquidity pool :D

  • @sepman1
    @sepman1 3 года назад +2

    You are amazing - 'Nuff said!

  • @coreed3323
    @coreed3323 2 года назад +8

    This was extremely well explained. The best presentation I have seen on impermanent loss. It finally makes sense. Thank you. 👍

  • @timschierenbeck2758
    @timschierenbeck2758 3 года назад +3

    Thanks so much again! You are like the teacher i wished for in shool :-)

  • @J_Arthur_
    @J_Arthur_ 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for the great video! Would love to see one on Polkaswap And Sora! :)

  • @martinpepper630
    @martinpepper630 3 года назад +1

    Such a great channel! - Thanks you

  • @gordongekko9742
    @gordongekko9742 3 года назад +1

    Great explanation! Thank you very much

  • @nadinounou
    @nadinounou 2 года назад +2

    Beautiful video thank you ♥️
    If i am taking part in a liquidity mining pool with A/B, A and B being highly correlated, the risk is highly minimised right? if asset A grows 1000%, and asset B almost the same, then no impermanent loss if i got it well

  • @lakemckenzie
    @lakemckenzie 3 года назад +10

    yeah you just got a sub!

  • @richardscott724
    @richardscott724 2 года назад

    Wow! Awesome explanation….keep up the good work…

  • @sergei.wallace
    @sergei.wallace 2 года назад +1

    Love these explainers!

  • @jochembraad1760
    @jochembraad1760 3 года назад

    Very well explained

  • @katyaolivan6085
    @katyaolivan6085 3 года назад +1

    Because of your vids, I understand everything better😃 thanks

  • @thefailedactor
    @thefailedactor 3 года назад

    Brilliant Video which helped a lot.
    So with Farming, and providing liquidity, volatility results in impermanent loss. De-risking this; stick to pools with single assets although the APY is lower.
    Can you have impairment loss in single pools?
    Or can I continue with lower APY; and if I exit, keep the original investment (Number of Tokens)

  • @otismurrayiii1672
    @otismurrayiii1672 3 года назад +1

    Absolutely great video.

  • @cryptomckey318
    @cryptomckey318 3 года назад

    Is the calculation the same for non stable coin pools like CAKE-BNB or TWT-BNB or it's a lot more riskier ? Thanks for your efforts. It helps a lot. Kudos!

  • @steveshuffle
    @steveshuffle 3 года назад +1

    mate this is amazing. All of your content

  • @bespokespace2809
    @bespokespace2809 2 года назад +1

    fantastic video, thank you

  • @trevorryder9732
    @trevorryder9732 3 года назад +18

    Could you do a video on non-fungible tokens and their use so far and future use.

  • @andina116
    @andina116 2 года назад

    I have gained a lot from defi mining, and I like this project.

  • @BIGSUCCC
    @BIGSUCCC 3 года назад +5

    I never knew your liquidity can actually appreciate in value other than fees if both assets rise in price, I always was under the assumption best case scenario you can pull out 100% of what you put into your LP + fees, worst case loosing value if your token pairing decreases in value + fees.

    • @Rompelarueda
      @Rompelarueda 2 года назад +3

      in non-stablecoin pools, yes, if both assets increase in USD price, you will pull out more USD value than you provided, and depending on the IL (how much their pump differed), come out also with more of eachcoin due to fees.

  • @Damsy388
    @Damsy388 3 года назад +1

    Great explanation. Subbed!

  • @Zharadeen
    @Zharadeen 3 года назад +1

    I love your page so much

  • @LiteLiger
    @LiteLiger 3 года назад

    Very solid and analytical video. So in technicalities it would be lot safer to invest in stablecoin pairings right? Due to the nature of prices fluctuating lot less.

  • @temitopeagoro4603
    @temitopeagoro4603 3 года назад +10

    Could you possibly delve into Decentralized autonomous organizations? I love your content and explanations. I am really learning a lot! Thank you!!

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад +5

      Sure, there is a plan to make a video about DAOs soon! Stay tuned :)

  • @ericniyongira4467
    @ericniyongira4467 2 года назад +2

    This channel is really awesome. I am new to Yield Farming - Providing Liquidity, and I hope to learn more from you!
    Anyone who can recommend me the best way to start?

  • @poltondt5067
    @poltondt5067 3 года назад +2

    can you please explain the formulas derived from the constant market maker formula to be able to get the amount needed for arbitrage?

  • @Sonnyrei
    @Sonnyrei 3 года назад +2

    Great video, thanks! How did you get 19.07 on 3:31 and 0.93 on 3:36?

  • @justdoitFR
    @justdoitFR 3 года назад +7

    Thank you so much for this great content.
    I am still trying to find out what could be risks for providing liquidity for a pair like USDT vs USDC...
    Of course excluding any smart contract bug or any hacks because those risks are just inherent to everything in crypto.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад +21

      The main risk is that one of the stable coins can lose its peg to the US dollar. USDT, for example, is not completely transparent, so we don't exactly know if they have all the assets to cover their outstanding USDT balance.

    • @kenmeyer100
      @kenmeyer100 2 года назад +8

      @@Finematics yeah, it's like you want to cash out your chips and the casino operator say 'sorry, we have no more dollars for you'

    • @postmanwithsnow
      @postmanwithsnow 2 года назад

      There are none. Only risk is a bank run which won't occur until something really bad happens. But then all your other crypto will most likely be worth nothing anymore either 😉

  • @davidhefer118
    @davidhefer118 3 года назад +1

    Wow.. best explanation

  • @cryptohalloffame
    @cryptohalloffame 3 года назад +1

    great videos, thanks

  • @zegikniet9999
    @zegikniet9999 3 года назад

    the intro to this video fits me perfectly. I did indeed not do any research before hand, only after hand YOLO

    • @zegikniet9999
      @zegikniet9999 3 года назад

      btw i nominate these video's to be the most clear explenation i ever got anywhere. very well done

  • @danielzirkel9616
    @danielzirkel9616 3 года назад +5

    Really goog explanation 👍🏻
    Now I have understood the impermanent loss.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад

      Thanks. Glad it helped! :)

  • @heliotropeness
    @heliotropeness 3 года назад +1

    Your videos are great.

  • @garg738
    @garg738 3 года назад +1

    VERY WELL EXPLIANED

  • @alphaguy4877
    @alphaguy4877 3 года назад +1

    Awesome explanation.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 года назад

      thanks!

    • @alphaguy4877
      @alphaguy4877 3 года назад

      @@Finematics Can you provide links to the mathematical formula that you used to calculate the after arbitrage values at 04:50? Btw, I subbed.

  • @NHill-dg8ch
    @NHill-dg8ch 3 года назад +2

    You just won a new subscriber

  • @gurpreetsaini7644
    @gurpreetsaini7644 3 года назад +1

    One can use Solver in excel to find out the revised amount of ETH and DAI shown at 3:30.