A derby is usually between 2 teams who are in the same city or the closest town to your town . With the odd exception. The Glasgow derby is prob the nastiest.
Derbys are different to normal games still banter but no violence. Derbys your out early in the morning on the drink ready for the game at in the afternoon.
Sunderland v Newcastle is the oldest rivalry in England. The two cities fought against each other in the English civil war at the battle of Bolden Hill. Sunderland fought for Cromwell's Roundheads while Newcastle were on the King's cavaliers. Sunderland won the battle at Bolden hill and Cromwell eventually won the war. The hated between these two sets of supporters can lead to murder and all out war.
Can't believe there was no mention of the derby between Newcastle United and Sunderland. Two proud former industrial cities 12 miles apart in the north east of England? In terms of passion, size, rivalry and history it is one of the biggest derbies in the United Kingdom.
It’s crazy how big this sport is, just a regular premier league season game between Liverpool and Man Utd has had an estimated over 900m global viewers before. To put that in perspective, the super bowl, the biggest game in American sport has a record of 120m global viewers
In Australia it’s pronounced both ways - depends on where you’re from. If you’re from perth you say it the American way whereas if you’re from anywhere else it’s the British way.
Having been to a few of these fixtures I can tell you Millwall v West Ham is by far the most intense. Stabbings in the street before and after not at all uncommon.
Most of the footage you are see here is quite tame in comparison to what you would have seen in the 1980s and 90s, the heyday of the hooligan, back then you would see hundreds of fans fighting pitched battles in the streets at a local derby, we used to fight each other for fun, oh and by the way you should see our soccer mum's
The derbies are the worst, most are chilled out with good humoured banter. It was good to go home and away with Wolves, visiting West Brom was a different experience.
I just think British people just have an inherent history of fighting…….Romans, Vikings, French, Spanish, Germans….the list goes on! The Brits just love a good scrap basically 😂
For the villa/brum game I'd recommend seeing a clip of the last one where a fan jumped on to the pitch and attached Jack Grealish; who then went on to score the winning goal. The intensity was unbelievable. I'd also recommend seeing a documentary called The real football factories - It stretches across Europe and its at its worst time when it was more a tribal war than about footy. Dark days.
A lot of those derby fighting at grounds is old ! going back 10,15,20, 30 years ago! it's not so bad now but the rivalry is still just as strong and supporters still hate losing to the other team that is their derby rival!
Portsmouth vs scum for example there would be no way you could even have broken the police line, helicopters drones van escorts and horses plus hundreds of riot police. No physical way to break that down
You hit the nail on the head when you said they turn up and there's just a football match in the middle, a lot of these 'firms' turn up for a fight. The game is a second thought, it was bigger in the 80s but its still going
My dads experienced a fair few of these games as a neutral as he moved around a lot for work. He said Southampton v Portsmouth was the most intense he’d ever experienced.
I’m a Birmingham City fan, recently a fan ran onto the pitch and punch the Villa captain who is boyhood fan of Villa, I mean I hate Villa and grealish but not all fans would of do that sort of thing, brought an embarrassment to the club, we have enough of that with how we play 🤣
It’s crazy because football in general has always been like this, this is like another day in the life of a football fan, every country that has a football has teams and fans that go above and beyond hence the fights, riots, fires and all the stuff countries that don’t partake don’t understand, we have to understand that most football teams are owned by families old and so on so the rivalry is more deep rooted than we think
Exactly, you can feel it from when the sun comes up, although I have to admit, going to the Old Firm game when I lived up there matched it but, without a vested interest it didn't mean as much. COYR!
im a sheffield wednesday fan , The founders of Sheffield Wednesday were self employed steel workers who's off day was a Wednesday, sometimes steelworks would close for half days on a Wednesday and half day on a Saturday to allow for recreation. Been watching you guys for a while gave you a sub
I knew about the Wednesdays off being the source of the team name. Had always thought it was shopkeepers for some reason,but steel workers makes sense in Sheffield.
I can remember going to matches in the 80s. Thousands upon thousands would go just for the fights. All teams had organised firms that would run operations and organise fans into armies/hooligans.. And if I'm honest.. I miss those days.
aye and the Firms were not as mindless as some may think the point of orgaising not just ourselves we also orgainsed with rival firms so the normally the real bastards of each firm could fight each other away from the eyes of the police. and when stuff did break out inside a ground at least some of us would try to get women and children out of the way as things begain to kick off.
Guys although the passionate rivalry still exists, it's not like this video portrays anymore. This puts us in a bad light and it's all changed now. This is a really old video.
This video missed out the Tyne-Wear derby where it gets very toxic. When Newcastle are the home team the Sunderland fans are marched off through the city centre infront of the Newcastle fans where they can be attcked or have things thrown at. When Sunderland best them 6 times in a row (lol) the Newcastle fans got so angry they rioted through their own city and one of them punched a horse. The rivalry goes back to the English civil war where Newcastle supported the monarch and Sunderland supported parliament.
I think it is important to say, that whilst these incidents do occur, it is fortunately nowhere near as frequent as it used to be. Regarding your comment about having more Police, in English football it was found that when they reduced the number of Police and increased the number of stewards (employed or volunteers from the club) , the trouble reduced dramatically.
A documentary I would recommend is by BT sports called Two Tribes which talks about the history between Everton and Liverpool Football Clubs and their role in the development of the city of Liverpool during the 1980’s. A really great documentary.
When I was in the States I saw LA Galaxy vs LAFC in the MLS and the fans mixed so well. That would never, ever happen in the UK. It’s brutal. I’m a Nottingham Forest fan and when we play Derby County it is genuinely scary
Yeah, the Tyne wear derby is really frightening, especially at st James park because if u even walk around Newcastle with a Sunderland shirt for the match, u would get battered
The West Ham v Millwall rivalry goes back to the late 1800s..Thames Ironworks (West Ham) and Millwall Athletic were teams from two shipyards on the river Thames in the east end of London. Their fan base were predominantly the dockers working for each company.. COYI....
West Ham vs Millwall is special as we hardly ever play eachother, so when a game comes around, whether that's in the cup or when West Ham are relegated to the Championship (2nd tier) it's a massive occasion! The rest play eachother pretty regularly.
I'd say there is nothing between WHU v Millwall and B'ham v Villa. I have been to both derbies in the early 2000s, and both atmospheres were pure hatred. They should both occupy top spot.
@@imperialdebauchery5988 I live with a Bushwhacker, lived near MFC all my life. Miss the old Den but at least there are no running battles down Cold Blow and Camplin St anymore.
Most of us are born in to this. Our dads took us as kids. You supported your local team no matter how bad they were. Lots now have fallen for the glamour of the big Premier League clubs but the passion in the lower leagues remains strong.
Folk who don't want to get involved are generally fine. You can pretty much walk through the middle of it if you make it clear you're not interested and are just going home
Hi The fighting at football games is not just local rivalry it can be between different cities such as Millwall and Bristol City. It is madness but it’s always been like this. Also there is no bunker for anyone to hide everyone gets caught up in it. Loving all your videos and how you enjoy our unusual culture 👍
@@DavidSmith-ul4ns no there's a lot of clubs that are just as violent if not more just cus they make films like green street and football factory dont mean shit
I'm English and in recent years this has really calmed down. The main trouble isn't even in or around the stadiums . "FIRMS" from each team will meet up for a big brawl down a back street or industrial estate . But with technology nowadays and amount of CCTV the police can stop most of it before the two opposing firms ever meet .
I'm a Derby County fan. The term Derby comes from my Town/City. Dwe used to play at The Baseball Ground. Champions of England 1973 and 1975. Derby until I die.
I lived in Stoke in the mid 90s and even though we haven't played eachother in over 20 odd years Stoke City vs Port Vale is a very toxic rivalry and used to get very violent.
Oldham used to be bad for that and it was an open away end as well. Been there in the old days when they had the plastic pitch, it was snowing and we were crammed into these tiny caged paddocks. I'm a Blackburn fan and we took a shit loads of fans. Before all ticket games, just turn up and pay on the turnstiles.
A quick search reveals that Sheffield Wednesday were originally a cricket club who went by the name “The Wednesday Cricket Club” (because they played only on Wednesdays). During the off season, they played football to maintain their fitness. When football started to gain prominence, they renamed the club “The Wednesday”, which eventually became the Sheffield Wednesday we know today.
They said we need more police for the villa blues game last time we played a third of the entire Wales police force was bought up to Birmingham for it 😂😂😂
Now you can see how our ancestors managed to build an empire. In those days these football hooligans would not be beating each other up, they'd be in the British army - beating other countries up 😢
My friends, you are watching footage of dreadful behaviour at football mates in the 80's-90's... it is not like this at all now. It is very controlled by the police, and this happily is a thing of the past... there are occasional problems, but they are not very great these days.
As a birmingham fan it may not be that bad in the stadium but afterwards outside the stadium everyone is kept completely separate by police and they basically close all the areas around the stadiums and guides everyone away. All though now that I think about it in the last game grealish got punched in the head by a fan
2 points. 1. A lot of the more violent derbies are sparse as the teams are in seperate divisions. 2. Hooligams tend to fight the evening before a match now especially friday nights when the police arr occupied, choosing neutral grounds ironically the leaders nowadays !maintain friendships so as to organise over social media
I know many people who still won't go to villa v Birmingham because its crazy. those videos of the flares being shot at the villa fans was less then 10 years ago and the last match Grealish got punched by a fan.
You watch this but you must understand, and i am English we have a war mentality, California to Texas is 2000 miles Swindon Town v Oxford Untied is 40 miles, Liverpool v Manchester United is 30 miles, Arsenal v Tottenham is 7 miles, West Ham v Millwall is 5 miles Aston Villa v Birmingham City 3 miles, but the crazy crazy thing is when England Plays we all come together. go Check out England fans reaction. it will blow your mind.
Millwall used to set up the detour signs For the away fans. We even sent this coach with a load of away fans down to a dead end millwall fans was waiting for them and fucked them up on the coach. The old den was one of the most dangerous grounds to go to in the country
See that with my own eyes. FA cup game against Villa. Rolled in the Millwall end and the first guy that got off had he's head kicked in by 5 or 6 Millwall fans. Pay money to watch a game of football to get badly beaten and sent to hospital and miss the game. 🤕 The money he paid must of been worth the visit lol
The port vale ground is at the bottom of a residential road where I used to live. I hated walking home on match days because there was always a scrap breaking out. I even got punched in the face when I was just walking home with my shopping.
" Come on you lions " !!!! " No one likes us, we don't care" !!!!! As a life long Millwall fan all the real footy violence stopped in the Eighties when everyone got luvved up and discovered Ecstasy !! lol This video doesn't even scratch the surface !! Very touchy area to be dipping your toes in lads, tread carefully, don't be too quick to assert your allegiances, not in England anyway, lol
Britain is a tribal nation that loves to fight for fun. Local towns have rivalries local pubs have rivalries, and because of the size of our country there are thousands of towns very close to each other...1 to 2 miles apart in the countryside, and cities are town's that have ended up connecting in a cluster to make a city. Those cities still have different voices accents. So when you guys have a southern accent or a northern accent, there can be many different accents in one area. Anything that divides can be rivalry over here and it's intense because everything is so close to each other. However..when we take those young lads and add the discipline of the armed forces training it makes for a very effective and tenacious army that gets respect worldwide.
Sheffield Wednesday..Used to be a cricket club who played on Wednesdays because that was the day off work for most of their players thus the name. The football team was formed in 1867 to keep the players together during the winter non cricket season and kept the same name.
Being a Villa fan, I’ve been to quite a few of these and they can get really violent, especially in the heyday when I was a young man in the 70 s and 80s. I find most of the rivalries are down to the “rich club” versus the “poor club “ and the types of people who support each club.
I just knew my local Derby would be top 3 - Newcastle v Sunderland. I've been to so many games and it is about as scary as it looks sometimes. Like you've said before we're born into a football club and it's like religion
I am a Southampton season ticket holder and work in Portsmouth. The rivalry is very real and not just in football, the cities hate each other. Some good documentaries on the reasons, most are myths. Unlike the US franchises, soccer teams are deep rooted in the local communities, I think the college football system is the closest you will get.
yes indeed, the people of Portsmouth and the people of Southampton do not like each other, in fact most of the folks(I'm from Portsmouth) I know won't even say the word "Southampton" when talking about the city of Southampton, referring to it instead as Scumhampton , and referring to those who live there as "scummers".............not very pleasant or friendly at all.........mind you, they're just as scathing and derogatory about us!!
Aston Villa are Co-owned by Wes Edens who also co-owns the Milwaukee Bucks. During the play off finals v the Suns you could see Edens wearing clothing bearing the Aston Villa logo. The Aston Villa / Birmingham City rivalry is a class thing...... Aston Villa are traditionally the upper class team, the supporters usually came from the north of Birmingham which was wealthy compared to the south of Birmingham, where Birmingham City play. Aston Villa have a strong history within football all over the world. They were founder members of the Football League which was an idea first bought about by their chairman at the time William McGregor.
It's not really like that anymore. It's a rare occasion to see trouble at games nowadays. I remember when I was young it was at every game! We're soft now, eating our prawn sandwiches at Old Trafford.
@@alexp3519 best of it is most of these people live beside or work beside each other and get on till game day then it's "pick a side" and,just my opinion ,if they all went to the same schools it would probably end , separate education creates a lot of the animosity
This is why I haven't followed my father's interest in football and instead, followed my grandfather's interest in rugby. Rugby may be more violent on the field but it is much more of a family sport.
As an Aston Villa fan, I distinctly remember my Mum saying "we're leaving" when in the stands at the second city derby and us running out of the ground, I think I was about 8 or something. Some Blues fans had managed to get into the Villa stands and started a massive brawl a few rows above us. That said I'm not sure we're the biggest derby in the UK any more. We're still up there, and there was that recent incident where a Blues fan ran onto the pitch and punched our best player at the time, Jack Grealish, round the side of his head, from behind. You see, he wasn't just a very good Villa player, but also a childhood fan who loved nothing more than beating Birmingham City. The fan was reprimanded and Grealish ended up scoring the winner in front of the away end Villa fans, he called it "the best day of my life". But I think probably Millwall vs West Ham and the Glasgow Derby are more violent nowadays.
i am a blue nose we are still one of the handfull of special Catergory C+ matches by the polices ranking. and probaly well deserved as we dont confine what i shall diplomaticly describe as our difference of opinions to the grounds and surrounding area. we have been known to spill over in to the wider city hence the highest risk catagory. I am not sure if i should be proud or not we got the #1 spot.
@@anthonymitchell8893 no worries. i know a few brummies so knew villa and city was a madness. Millwall west ham is pretty well known by everyone i think.
One of my best mates is a blue nose (Birmingham City supporter) and I’m a villa fan. On the day of the match, do I talk to him? Fuck no. Friendships go out the window derby day
The rivalry between the 2 ports (Southampton and Portsmouth) is far older than the footballing rivalry between Saints and Pompey - think it dates back to before Henry VIII and has been exacerbated at different points (merchant navy vs. royal navy) and more recently by (possibly false) stories of Southampton dock workers crossing portsmouth dockers strikers' picket lines during industrial action in the 1950s - supposedly the source of pompey fan's reference to Saints as Scummers. Inflamed more recently again when the manager of Portsmouth took a break from management, only to appear as Southamptons manager 2 weeks later (Harry Redknapp).
I live near Darlington, when Darlington played Hartlepool back when they played at Feethams in the town centre. I remember me being 10 and him taking me to Hogans to meet the Hartlepool fans coming off the train, cos the pub was right outside the train station, that was the 90’s…..it’s a lot different now. I enjoyed watching the violence, back then it was a right of passage
Lets face it most of this footage is from 30 to40 yrs ago. Now there are hardly any police inside stadiums just stewards and most grounds are frequented by families, there is still a lot of chanting and songs about the opposition but its just banter really. When rival fans meet each other outside the stadiums they are usually separated by police and there's a lot of bravado because there is little chance of anyone breaching the police lines.
Also Leeds vs Bradford with the fire, Leeds fans did this as we were playing at a rugby stadium as the previous year our stadium tragically set on fire killing 56 people
The Bradford City v Leeds United game,,, I was there, so I can give you some context. Bradford City were reconstructing their ground that season so were playing their home games at the cities rugby ground. Segregation of the fans was impossible because of the design of the stadium. Basically the turnstiles allow you access to any part of the ground so groups of fans with any intent could basically go where they wanted. I was sat in the large stand behind some Leeds fans and behind me were Bradford fans. On the opposite terrace a food sales van was set on fire and then it kicked off all around the ground. I was literally in the middle of a skirmish around our seats. But actually the fighting was between the fans who wanted it,,, we just moved to a safer area so as not to get accidentally involved. There was indeed lots of fighting, a pitch invasion and a fire. Very memorable ! For interest, I was born in Bradford, supported Bradford City, worked in Leeds, married a Leeds girl, whose family all supported Leeds United, we had children who were born and raised in Leeds and grew up supporting, well I will leave it to you to guess!
Non derby matches can still be very violent but usually only if the teams playing eachother have a reputation of violence. So if any of Millwall, Leeds, Birmingham, Stoke, West Ham, Cardiff etc play eachother it usually kicks off. Sometimes worse than certain derby games do.
A derby is usually between 2 teams who are in the same city or the closest town to your town . With the odd exception. The Glasgow derby is prob the nastiest.
rangers v celtic make the English derbies like the warm up before the main event.
You’re isn’t, they’re both despicable
@@scottirvine121 ???
Derbys are different to normal games still banter but no violence. Derbys your out early in the morning on the drink ready for the game at in the afternoon.
@@craigedwards3899 tyne wear derby pisses all over that tinpot derby
Sunderland v Newcastle is the oldest rivalry in England. The two cities fought against each other in the English civil war at the battle of Bolden Hill. Sunderland fought for Cromwell's Roundheads while Newcastle were on the King's cavaliers. Sunderland won the battle at Bolden hill and Cromwell eventually won the war. The hated between these two sets of supporters can lead to murder and all out war.
Boldon not Bolden.
Can't believe there was no mention of the derby between Newcastle United and Sunderland. Two proud former industrial cities 12 miles apart in the north east of England? In terms of passion, size, rivalry and history it is one of the biggest derbies in the United Kingdom.
It’s crazy how big this sport is, just a regular premier league season game between Liverpool and Man Utd has had an estimated over 900m global viewers before. To put that in perspective, the super bowl, the biggest game in American sport has a record of 120m global viewers
120m and america has 300million
@@samuelpinder1215 and england has 55million
@@woutdevos5916 yeah
I’m annoyed that Liverpool vs Man United weren’t put on this list because our rivalry is fucking fierce
@@alfiebulbeck-young8524 cause Liverpool vs ManU technically isn't a derby. City vs United is a derby but it doesn't live up to Liverpool vs United
Tom Selleck just called, he wants his shirt back.
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Aha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Best comment I've seen all day!
I thought we were having a rerun of Hawaii five 0, Dada, Dada dadda da, get paddles out,
The way Americans pronounce derby is hilarious
Least they can spell it
Worst one is portsmouth 😂
In Australia it’s pronounced both ways - depends on where you’re from. If you’re from perth you say it the American way whereas if you’re from anywhere else it’s the British way.
Durrrby
british accents aren't just as funny
Having been to a few of these fixtures I can tell you Millwall v West Ham is by far the most intense. Stabbings in the street before and after not at all uncommon.
People thrown off trains & decapitation .
Knives is nothing
Most of the footage you are see here is quite tame in comparison to what you would have seen in the 1980s and 90s, the heyday of the hooligan, back then you would see hundreds of fans fighting pitched battles in the streets at a local derby, we used to fight each other for fun, oh and by the way you should see our soccer mum's
'You go watch your two favourite teams and there's a soccer game during the fight', kinda sums up a derby really
The West Ham v Millwall rivalry is older than football itself
The derbies are the worst, most are chilled out with good humoured banter. It was good to go home and away with Wolves, visiting West Brom was a different experience.
I just think British people just have an inherent history of fighting…….Romans, Vikings, French, Spanish, Germans….the list goes on! The Brits just love a good scrap basically 😂
We had to be. We finally had enough of invasions, lets go on our own one.... The British Empire was born and we were bloody good at it too!
Them's fightin' words.
For the villa/brum game I'd recommend seeing a clip of the last one where a fan jumped on to the pitch and attached Jack Grealish; who then went on to score the winning goal. The intensity was unbelievable. I'd also recommend seeing a documentary called The real football factories - It stretches across Europe and its at its worst time when it was more a tribal war than about footy. Dark days.
A lot of those derby fighting at grounds is old ! going back 10,15,20, 30 years ago! it's not so bad now but the rivalry is still just as strong and supporters still hate losing to
the other team that is their derby rival!
I feel its because police have gained major control of the situation
Portsmouth vs scum for example there would be no way you could even have broken the police line, helicopters drones van escorts and horses plus hundreds of riot police. No physical way to break that down
Rangers and celtics is about 100 years old iirc
When you paused the clip just before Millwall and West Ham I was thinking… ‘Oh, here we go’ 😂
HeHeHe. I honestly thought they'd be #1. Great day out lol
You hit the nail on the head when you said they turn up and there's just a football match in the middle, a lot of these 'firms' turn up for a fight. The game is a second thought, it was bigger in the 80s but its still going
My dads experienced a fair few of these games as a neutral as he moved around a lot for work. He said Southampton v Portsmouth was the most intense he’d ever experienced.
This is not even the darkest times. English teams got band from europe for hooliganism
The Black Country derby really needs to be higher than 11. It should be top 3 easily.
I’m a Birmingham City fan, recently a fan ran onto the pitch and punch the Villa captain who is boyhood fan of Villa, I mean I hate Villa and grealish but not all fans would of do that sort of thing, brought an embarrassment to the club, we have enough of that with how we play 🤣
You’re not wrong 😉 UTV
SOTV punch greasy to Manchester!
It’s crazy because football in general has always been like this, this is like another day in the life of a football fan, every country that has a football has teams and fans that go above and beyond hence the fights, riots, fires and all the stuff countries that don’t partake don’t understand, we have to understand that most football teams are owned by families old and so on so the rivalry is more deep rooted than we think
I'm from Southampton and I can tell you when we play Portsmouth it's all out war...over 120 years of rivalry..great vids guys..keep ot up..🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
Exactly, you can feel it from when the sun comes up, although I have to admit, going to the Old Firm game when I lived up there matched it but, without a vested interest it didn't mean as much. COYR!
@@karmannghiaman1041 we March on 👍👍👍
im a sheffield wednesday fan , The founders of Sheffield Wednesday were self employed steel workers who's off day was a Wednesday, sometimes steelworks would close for half days on a Wednesday and half day on a Saturday to allow for recreation. Been watching you guys for a while gave you a sub
I knew about the Wednesdays off being the source of the team name. Had always thought it was shopkeepers for some reason,but steel workers makes sense in Sheffield.
I’m a West Ham die hard, but I’ve always had a spot for Sheffield Wednesday. I’d call them my number two team.
@@dannyjackson1959 Is it cos you get our best players? Di Canio and Antonio lol.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I guess your Ravens fans??
Watch the film called GREEN STREET, 👍🇬🇧🇺🇸
Imagine being a Wednesday fan.
I can remember going to matches in the 80s. Thousands upon thousands would go just for the fights. All teams had organised firms that would run operations and organise fans into armies/hooligans.. And if I'm honest.. I miss those days.
aye and the Firms were not as mindless as some may think the point of orgaising not just ourselves we also orgainsed with rival firms so the normally the real bastards of each firm could fight each other away from the eyes of the police. and when stuff did break out inside a ground at least some of us would try to get women and children out of the way as things begain to kick off.
Guys although the passionate rivalry still exists, it's not like this video portrays anymore. This puts us in a bad light and it's all changed now. This is a really old video.
Says a man that clearly doesn't go to football. It's just away from the grounds these days.
@@sarfc4554 maybe in the lower leagues. The police are all over it nowadays
@@sarfc4554 i do, i know it still goes on but its not as bad as the video says
Dont know whats funnier, watching 2 americans react to English football rivalries, or listening to 2 Americans try to pronounce English place names
Some of these clips look like they are from the 1980’s when football hooliganism was rife.
This video missed out the Tyne-Wear derby where it gets very toxic. When Newcastle are the home team the Sunderland fans are marched off through the city centre infront of the Newcastle fans where they can be attcked or have things thrown at. When Sunderland best them 6 times in a row (lol) the Newcastle fans got so angry they rioted through their own city and one of them punched a horse.
The rivalry goes back to the English civil war where Newcastle supported the monarch and Sunderland supported parliament.
I think it is important to say, that whilst these incidents do occur, it is fortunately nowhere near as frequent as it used to be. Regarding your comment about having more Police, in English football it was found that when they reduced the number of Police and increased the number of stewards (employed or volunteers from the club) , the trouble reduced dramatically.
A documentary I would recommend is by BT sports called Two Tribes which talks about the history between Everton and Liverpool Football Clubs and their role in the development of the city of Liverpool during the 1980’s. A really great documentary.
When I was in the States I saw LA Galaxy vs LAFC in the MLS and the fans mixed so well. That would never, ever happen in the UK. It’s brutal. I’m a Nottingham Forest fan and when we play Derby County it is genuinely scary
Yeah, the Tyne wear derby is really frightening, especially at st James park because if u even walk around Newcastle with a Sunderland shirt for the match, u would get battered
The West Ham v Millwall rivalry goes back to the late 1800s..Thames Ironworks (West Ham) and Millwall Athletic were teams from two shipyards on the river Thames in the east end of London. Their fan base were predominantly the dockers working for each company..
COYI....
West Ham vs Millwall is special as we hardly ever play eachother, so when a game comes around, whether that's in the cup or when West Ham are relegated to the Championship (2nd tier) it's a massive occasion!
The rest play eachother pretty regularly.
How its number 2 i dont know .
I dont support either team
But as far as nasty in England
This is the worst
I'd say there is nothing between WHU v Millwall and B'ham v Villa. I have been to both derbies in the early 2000s, and both atmospheres were pure hatred. They should both occupy top spot.
@@pjtufty66 no one likes us, we don't care, we are Millwall, super Millwall from the den... Roar!
@@imperialdebauchery5988 I live with a Bushwhacker, lived near MFC all my life. Miss the old Den but at least there are no running battles down Cold Blow and Camplin St anymore.
@@imperialdebauchery5988 COME ON YOU IRONS ⚒️⚒️⚒️
I've been watching your reactions for awhile now, never knew you was an adopted West Ham fan, welcome to the family
Football is tribal.
That's just how it is over here.
Too fcukin reet bonnie lad, NUFC
Most of us are born in to this. Our dads took us as kids. You supported your local team no matter how bad they were. Lots now have fallen for the glamour of the big Premier League clubs but the passion in the lower leagues remains strong.
Folk who don't want to get involved are generally fine. You can pretty much walk through the middle of it if you make it clear you're not interested and are just going home
Some of the ‘Young Teams’ in Scotland are battering ‘Scarfers’ now though 😕
@@jockster247 Thought that was just a Leeds thing !
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The fighting at football games is not just local rivalry it can be between different cities such as Millwall and Bristol City. It is madness but it’s always been like this. Also there is no bunker for anyone to hide everyone gets caught up in it. Loving all your videos and how you enjoy our unusual culture 👍
As a newly appointed West Ham fan Daniel, I’ll formally invite you to the next time we play Millwall…….Bring your gum shield 😂😂
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yeah Daniel, great choice, man!!
Millwall west ham id say is the worst. Two most violent clubs in England
@@DavidSmith-ul4ns agreed
@@DavidSmith-ul4ns no there's a lot of clubs that are just as violent if not more just cus they make films like green street and football factory dont mean shit
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I'm English and in recent years this has really calmed down. The main trouble isn't even in or around the stadiums . "FIRMS" from each team will meet up for a big brawl down a back street or industrial estate .
But with technology nowadays and amount of CCTV the police can stop most of it before the two opposing firms ever meet .
I’m shocked how Luton vs Watford isn’t on there. One of the most intense derby’s in English football history
West-Ham is famous for their hooligans from back in the day
Really cool vid. I enjoy listening to you 2. They’d be civil war in England without football 😂
I'm a Derby County fan.
The term Derby comes from my Town/City.
Dwe used to play at The Baseball Ground.
Champions of England 1973 and 1975.
Derby until I die.
I’ve had the pleasure of going to a millwall vs West Ham game. Intense atmosphere. Respect from England lads! 🏴
I lived in Stoke in the mid 90s and even though we haven't played eachother in over 20 odd years Stoke City vs Port Vale is a very toxic rivalry and used to get very violent.
i can remember back in the day when you were literally caged in in cages on the terraces, seemed normal back then but kinda crazy to think about now
Oldham used to be bad for that and it was an open away end as well. Been there in the old days when they had the plastic pitch, it was snowing and we were crammed into these tiny caged paddocks. I'm a Blackburn fan and we took a shit loads of fans. Before all ticket games, just turn up and pay on the turnstiles.
As a kid I used to sit in the fence behind the goal at goodison. Animals lol
Some of the stories my old man tells me from the mid 70s are mind blowing.
A quick search reveals that Sheffield Wednesday were originally a cricket club who went by the name “The Wednesday Cricket Club” (because they played only on Wednesdays).
During the off season, they played football to maintain their fitness. When football started to gain prominence, they renamed the club “The Wednesday”, which eventually became the Sheffield Wednesday we know today.
You need to react to the Hibs fans singing Sunshine on Leith after the Scottish Cup final. Beautiful video.
They said we need more police for the villa blues game last time we played a third of the entire Wales police force was bought up to Birmingham for it 😂😂😂
Now you can see how our ancestors managed to build an empire. In those days these football hooligans would not be beating each other up, they'd be in the British army - beating other countries up 😢
He got it spot on when he said “there’s a game during the fight” 🤣
My friends, you are watching footage of dreadful behaviour at football mates in the 80's-90's... it is not like this at all now. It is very controlled by the police, and this happily is a thing of the past... there are occasional problems, but they are not very great these days.
As a birmingham fan it may not be that bad in the stadium but afterwards outside the stadium everyone is kept completely separate by police and they basically close all the areas around the stadiums and guides everyone away. All though now that I think about it in the last game grealish got punched in the head by a fan
It's definitely not gone at all, in the stadiums it is, but you go to any of these games it will always still kick off
Generally speaking, this is true. I'm a steward at an international venue. Worst team I've ever encountered : Man U. Animals. Never again.
2 points. 1. A lot of the more violent derbies are sparse as the teams are in seperate divisions.
2. Hooligams tend to fight the evening before a match now especially friday nights when the police arr occupied, choosing neutral grounds ironically the leaders nowadays !maintain friendships so as to organise over social media
I know many people who still won't go to villa v Birmingham because its crazy. those videos of the flares being shot at the villa fans was less then 10 years ago and the last match Grealish got punched by a fan.
You watch this but you must understand, and i am English we have a war mentality, California to Texas is 2000 miles Swindon Town v Oxford Untied is 40 miles, Liverpool v Manchester United is 30 miles, Arsenal v Tottenham is 7 miles, West Ham v Millwall is 5 miles Aston Villa v Birmingham City 3 miles, but the crazy crazy thing is when England Plays we all come together. go Check out England fans reaction. it will blow your mind.
Oh where do we start xD welcome to the derby day experience boys
Millwall used to set up the detour signs For the away fans. We even sent this coach with a load of away fans down to a dead end millwall fans was waiting for them and fucked them up on the coach. The old den was one of the most dangerous grounds to go to in the country
See that with my own eyes. FA cup game against Villa. Rolled in the Millwall end and the first guy that got off had he's head kicked in by 5 or 6 Millwall fans. Pay money to watch a game of football to get badly beaten and sent to hospital and miss the game. 🤕 The money he paid must of been worth the visit lol
You guys need to react to Danny dyer : real football factory as it gives an insight into the Derby’s and fans
His international series is even better than the UK ones
Yeah, I think yous will learn alot from the real football factories.
@@ArcticStrokes34 yes. Whenever I think of the real football factories, the Krakov and Istanbul derbies come to mind.
The Brazil one is class
Pmsl you're so right, as the old joke goes over here "I went to have a fight and a football game broke out" spot on fellas
Try "Sunshine on leith, hibs scottish cup final" for a completely different football atmosphere.....
Or even the tartan army ,they sing one helluva lot 😊
Surely that should be sunshine on Leeds? ;) You lads make some noise singing that, cracking tune
Arguably the best song in football!!
As a Rangers fan I would be deeply disappointed to see them react to that 😂😂 I know the video you're on about though, was pretty class 👍
I absolutely love you guys and if you ever wanna come to a football match here in the UK I'll look after you fellas and have a good time x
I lived in Bristol for 10 years, going out to the pub on a Derby day was like walking into a war zone 🤣 chairs and tables flying through the air 😬🍻🍻
Up the Gas!
@@seanwilliams9443 not our rivals anymore, irrelevant little club.
@@thecornedbeefcouncil9792 Shiiiithead!!
@@seanwilliams9443 great comeback 🤦♂️ listen, don’t cry about it, you’re just something that we laugh at these days.
@@thecornedbeefcouncil9792 To be fair we laugh too, we are a complete Shambles!
I was amoung that newcastle crowd at 3mins. The energy amongst it is something else.
Oxford vs Swindon a lower league rivalry but definitely an intense one. I’m an Oxford fan by the way, hence the name 😀
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I saw a classic MILLWALL move against Oxford fans one mile from THe old Manor Ground in 1969 just the odd 52 years ago :)
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When the red red robbin goes bob bob bobbin a long, SHOOT THE BASTAD
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The port vale ground is at the bottom of a residential road where I used to live. I hated walking home on match days because there was always a scrap breaking out. I even got punched in the face when I was just walking home with my shopping.
Leeds vs Man Utd is erm…tasty, let’s just put it that way
Scenes like these are rare nowadays, CCTV a big reason why.
You guys need to react to Neil warnock , who is an English football manager He’s an absolute character great to watch
Yes he was our manager at Sheffield United during my time working there, I had the pleasure of knowing him and yes, quite a character
@@bladeschick1 he also briefly managed my side oldham athletic , didn’t work for him there but the club was on a major decline when he came in
@@nicgreen6501 sorry to hear that..
Check out Red Star vs Partizan (Belgrade derby) if you want to see intense. This looks really tame by comparison.
" Come on you lions " !!!! " No one likes us, we don't care" !!!!! As a life long Millwall fan all the real footy violence stopped in the Eighties when everyone got luvved up and discovered Ecstasy !! lol This video doesn't even scratch the surface !! Very touchy area to be dipping your toes in lads, tread carefully, don't be too quick to assert your allegiances, not in England anyway, lol
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We fear no foe
Britain is a tribal nation that loves to fight for fun. Local towns have rivalries local pubs have rivalries, and because of the size of our country there are thousands of towns very close to each other...1 to 2 miles apart in the countryside, and cities are town's that have ended up connecting in a cluster to make a city.
Those cities still have different voices accents. So when you guys have a southern accent or a northern accent, there can be many different accents in one area. Anything that divides can be rivalry over here and it's intense because everything is so close to each other.
However..when we take those young lads and add the discipline of the armed forces training it makes for a very effective and tenacious army that gets respect worldwide.
England v Scotland is the oldest international fixture goes back to 1872 However because of the rivalry it had to be stop playing the fixture 👍👍👏👏👏😊🇬🇧
Nice to see it this year in the Euros though 😊👍
@@jockster247 enjoy your 0-0 win.
Sheffield Wednesday..Used to be a cricket club who played on Wednesdays because that was the day off work for most of their players thus the name. The football team was formed in 1867 to keep the players together during the winter non cricket season and kept the same name.
Being a Villa fan, I’ve been to quite a few of these and they can get really violent, especially in the heyday when I was a young man in the 70 s and 80s. I find most of the rivalries are down to the “rich club” versus the “poor club “ and the types of people who support each club.
I just knew my local Derby would be top 3 - Newcastle v Sunderland. I've been to so many games and it is about as scary as it looks sometimes. Like you've said before we're born into a football club and it's like religion
I am a Southampton season ticket holder and work in Portsmouth. The rivalry is very real and not just in football, the cities hate each other. Some good documentaries on the reasons, most are myths.
Unlike the US franchises, soccer teams are deep rooted in the local communities, I think the college football system is the closest you will get.
yes indeed, the people of Portsmouth and the people of Southampton do not like each other, in fact most of the folks(I'm from Portsmouth) I know won't even say the word "Southampton" when talking about the city of Southampton, referring to it instead as Scumhampton , and referring to those who live there as "scummers".............not very pleasant or friendly at all.........mind you, they're just as scathing and derogatory about us!!
@@MichaelHill-we7vt 'we are the scum' is proudly sung at St Mary's Stadium. Along with other, less savoury things lol
@@simonnewby1215 I'm absolutely certain of that!! we're not very polite or complimentary either!! I never join in, though, I'm far too well-mannered!
Well done for supporting West Ham
Leeds Vs everyone should be on this
How tiresome are Leeds fans. They're a parody of themselves.
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Leeds. The biggest (not a big club) in England.
@@chrisprocter26 not the biggest, just the best 👍
Aston Villa are Co-owned by Wes Edens who also co-owns the Milwaukee Bucks. During the play off finals v the Suns you could see Edens wearing clothing bearing the Aston Villa logo.
The Aston Villa / Birmingham City rivalry is a class thing...... Aston Villa are traditionally the upper class team, the supporters usually came from the north of Birmingham which was wealthy compared to the south of Birmingham, where Birmingham City play. Aston Villa have a strong history within football all over the world. They were founder members of the Football League which was an idea first bought about by their chairman at the time William McGregor.
It's not really like that anymore. It's a rare occasion to see trouble at games nowadays. I remember when I was young it was at every game! We're soft now, eating our prawn sandwiches at Old Trafford.
Goosebumps Welsh fans national anthem needs a reaction video!!
Should react to football war celtic v rangers by anything and everything
I am from Glasgow and felt shame watching that,not even a football fan
@@lilyliz3071 same I'm not a football fan and being from England I knew the divide existed. I found the whole history behind it, interesting.
@@alexp3519 best of it is most of these people live beside or work beside each other and get on till game day then it's "pick a side" and,just my opinion ,if they all went to the same schools it would probably end , separate education creates a lot of the animosity
Fans vs fans, yes! Oh and some football for entertainment indeed. "The end score? We'll hear about that Monday morning."
This is why I haven't followed my father's interest in football and instead, followed my grandfather's interest in rugby.
Rugby may be more violent on the field but it is much more of a family sport.
Aston Villa fan here :D
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Derbies are something else, especially going away to them. Depending how far away the games are or who you're playing most games are like this
As an Aston Villa fan, I distinctly remember my Mum saying "we're leaving" when in the stands at the second city derby and us running out of the ground, I think I was about 8 or something. Some Blues fans had managed to get into the Villa stands and started a massive brawl a few rows above us.
That said I'm not sure we're the biggest derby in the UK any more. We're still up there, and there was that recent incident where a Blues fan ran onto the pitch and punched our best player at the time, Jack Grealish, round the side of his head, from behind. You see, he wasn't just a very good Villa player, but also a childhood fan who loved nothing more than beating Birmingham City. The fan was reprimanded and Grealish ended up scoring the winner in front of the away end Villa fans, he called it "the best day of my life".
But I think probably Millwall vs West Ham and the Glasgow Derby are more violent nowadays.
i am a blue nose we are still one of the handfull of special Catergory C+ matches by the polices ranking. and probaly well deserved as we dont confine what i shall diplomaticly describe as our difference of opinions to the grounds and surrounding area. we have been known to spill over in to the wider city hence the highest risk catagory. I am not sure if i should be proud or not we got the #1 spot.
Never thought of it like that. Your there for a fight while a soccer game is going on 😂
As a part of the old firm rivalry i tend to ignore english derbies. Should be interesting to see who hates who down south lol
pay attention you should know
Plus… One of the fights shown (Forest v Derby segment) was actually Heart (CSF) against Hibs (CCS) on The Royal Mile in Edinburgh
@@anthonymitchell8893 sarcasm? I should know 17 lol i knew a few
@@ianmclean6399 all right my bad
@@anthonymitchell8893 no worries. i know a few brummies so knew villa and city was a madness. Millwall west ham is pretty well known by everyone i think.
'Football's not a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that' - famous football quote
The biggest Derby potentially in Britain is the Glasgow derby in Scotland, Rangers - Celtic is a religious divide as well as city rivals
One of my best mates is a blue nose (Birmingham City supporter) and I’m a villa fan. On the day of the match, do I talk to him? Fuck no. Friendships go out the window derby day
Portsmouth v Southampton is the fiercest match in English football, and no I don't support either club. West Ham v Millwall a close 2nd.
The rivalry between the 2 ports (Southampton and Portsmouth) is far older than the footballing rivalry between Saints and Pompey - think it dates back to before Henry VIII and has been exacerbated at different points (merchant navy vs. royal navy) and more recently by (possibly false) stories of Southampton dock workers crossing portsmouth dockers strikers' picket lines during industrial action in the 1950s - supposedly the source of pompey fan's reference to Saints as Scummers. Inflamed more recently again when the manager of Portsmouth took a break from management, only to appear as Southamptons manager 2 weeks later (Harry Redknapp).
I live near Darlington, when Darlington played Hartlepool back when they played at Feethams in the town centre. I remember me being 10 and him taking me to Hogans to meet the Hartlepool fans coming off the train, cos the pub was right outside the train station, that was the 90’s…..it’s a lot different now. I enjoyed watching the violence, back then it was a right of passage
Lets face it most of this footage is from 30 to40 yrs ago. Now there are hardly any police inside stadiums just stewards and most grounds are frequented by families, there is still a lot of chanting and songs about the opposition but its just banter really. When rival fans meet each other outside the stadiums they are usually separated by police and there's a lot of bravado because there is little chance of anyone breaching the police lines.
Also Leeds vs Bradford with the fire, Leeds fans did this as we were playing at a rugby stadium as the previous year our stadium tragically set on fire killing 56 people
There’s always trouble at football matches! Unless there are two quiet fan bases playing each other
I can't be 100% sure, but from memory as a kid in Bolton in the '70s the word 'soccer' was in use - as in 'soccer practice' for the lads at school.
The Bradford City v Leeds United game,,, I was there, so I can give you some context. Bradford City were reconstructing their ground that season so were playing their home games at the cities rugby ground. Segregation of the fans was impossible because of the design of the stadium. Basically the turnstiles allow you access to any part of the ground so groups of fans with any intent could basically go where they wanted. I was sat in the large stand behind some Leeds fans and behind me were Bradford fans. On the opposite terrace a food sales van was set on fire and then it kicked off all around the ground. I was literally in the middle of a skirmish around our seats. But actually the fighting was between the fans who wanted it,,, we just moved to a safer area so as not to get accidentally involved. There was indeed lots of fighting, a pitch invasion and a fire. Very memorable ! For interest, I was born in Bradford, supported Bradford City, worked in Leeds, married a Leeds girl, whose family all supported Leeds United, we had children who were born and raised in Leeds and grew up supporting, well I will leave it to you to guess!
Non derby matches can still be very violent but usually only if the teams playing eachother have a reputation of violence. So if any of Millwall, Leeds, Birmingham, Stoke, West Ham, Cardiff etc play eachother it usually kicks off. Sometimes worse than certain derby games do.