No Salvation Outside Thomism? with Matthew Minerd
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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Really Hope Dr Minerd keeps going with these. We need a more definitive response to the Thomistic views put forth in certain YT channels
Always a pleasure to hear Dr. Minerd teach. Good stuff!
Glory to Jesus Christ!
As always, great to do something online like this! Thanks for coming along for the ride. It was a bit _ad hoc_, but I think that's the best way to approach this kind of long format: let the conversation go where it will. Many blessings to you and yours!
@@matthewminerd7693 Thank you for all the work you have done in both teaching an translation. God bless you!
@@matthewminerd7693 Dr. Minerd, it would be awesome if you could do a roundtable discussion with a Thomist, Scotist, and Palamite. I'd love to see you and Fr. John (Patrick) Ramsey do a discussion together. By the way, do you know anyone who can translate German? I'm interested in purchasing a German language book on Metropolitan Andrey Sheptytsky. Sadly, the publisher has no plans to translate it into english. I'd love to commission someone to do a private translation if possible. The book in question is "Metropolit Andrey Graf Sheptytskyj Und Das Ns-Regime: Zwischen Christlichem Ideal Und Politischer Realität." The author (Andriy Mykhaleyko) is a Ukrainian Greek Catholic deacon.
@@101caliber That would be a great gathering. I have kind of done this with folks over at Reason and Theology, but since then, I have thought quite a bit on the topic.
I know someone who only does a small bit of German translating. However, he did tell me that DeepL (which is quite good for French translation sketches) works marvelously in German, as it was engineered by German-speakers. If you can find access to a Books scanner for private use, you might be able to sketch out decent translations.
I enjoy this man's indepth theological and philosophical presentation, especially from scholastical perceptive. He seems to be sincere and can be trusted than so many so called Thomistic Theologians online. We need to hear more him.
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Thanks for the kind remark. Let us pray for each other. Being an online persona comes with so many risks! As a Thomist in the hills of Appalachia, I just feel blessed to get to spend some time talking about these things! Many blessings to you and yours this Lent!
So refreshing compared to the constant Dr. Taylor Marshall hermeneutic of Gossip
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Thanks for the kind remark. Alas.... That is, however, a good expression for that genre: "Hermeneutic of Gossip." Many blessings to you and yours this Lent!
@@matthewminerd7693 pray for me brother. Thank you for all you do for the Church and Kingdom
@@ManskisTreeHouse Will do! Many blessings to you and yours!
Need to get this guy on more.
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Thanks for the kind remark. Many blessings to you and yours this Lent!
This was so excellent. Thank you.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for coming along for the ride, so to speak! Many blessings to you and yours this Lent!
1:32:54-1:33:30
Many relevant points made throughout this talk. But I felt that this was one of the most important. 99.9+% of the people in the pews would get lost in this video, but these things are very relevant and important to what/why/how we believe and live our faith. I feel like this has been lost even amongst the majority of the clergy.
The Catholic Church says that it is founded by Jesus Christ. However, that same Church refuses to teach its members, young adults, adults, and everyone Sacred Scripture and Sacred Traditions of the Apostolic Age. The leader's words are muffled by the Chruch itself.
Did I miss the summer Bible classes provided by the Church? Did I miss all the CCD classes that taught the Written Word of God? No, I did NOT miss any one of them because they were never held. My wife went to Catholic schools 1-12, no discussions ever on Scripture. The Church did not, does not, want to share them with me, and teach me what Christ wanted to say to me!
*The Church was not/ is not prepared to share Scripture with anyone because their doctrines were created when the average serf could not read or write, and their doctrines are in disagreement with Scripture. Church history is a minefield, ready to cause an explosion for those who want to unravel it*
I went to a Catholic College, guess what? There was not a bible possess by anyone in the student body. Theology classes were a joke. More like philosophy classes. Perhaps some of the Priests had personal bibles, but it did not show.
Religiously, college was a waste of time.
@@billsmith147 It's up to us.
@@Spartacus-sx3ni The catholic Church has made sure the Laity has No authority within the Church. Easy question, who owns the local catholic church? Even though the local Church was build with sizable contributions of local parishioners, the Church owns the real estate. Locals can be deacons which is the first rung of the ladder but they can go no higher in the Church.
Even though the Church is crumbling with old priests, without replacements, the sexual predator priests have been ousted or are dead from old age, and the Church has no replacements in the wings, the Church does not want the Laity to take over the many functions that they would be good at and make contributions, because the old guard will not surrender an inch because it is about control.
It is not about religious control, it is about power!
31:26 Thank you Dr. Minerd for quickly making that statement. I’m sure Timothy didn’t mean to disparage it but you get the impression sometimes in discussions like these.
35:11 Pope Pius X was responsible for that secret type of spying?
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Yes indeed! I know that Timothy didn't mean that at all! We just wanted to note that it's problematic to present a simply triumphal picture of things after 1870. That's all! Also, on the second point, this is actually not clear to me. I've read both that he did not and that he did support it. I tried to keep both possibilities open. However, I do think that one of the unfortunate things often in Church history is that Rome doesn't really hold the feet of bishops to the fire to clean up their own houses. Subsidiarity requires this, in fact. I think that the tendency to Roman centralization weakened the fact that Bishops should be above all held to account for not being good caretakers of their local church. (Obviously, though, we must be very careful not to read our current technology into the past. So much less information traveled then than today.)
@@matthewminerd7693 thank you very much for your comments. You’re one of my favorite guests to listen to on RUclips. Blessings to you.
Amazing. All I do is read and study God's Word. And I'll never forget Thomas' famous words toward the end of his life. Apparently he had received some sort of divine revelation after saying Mass one day. And he told his confessor that all he had written was "straw". He was dead serious.
We need to remember exactly what straw is. It is the part of the harvest that is unfit for human consumption. It is worthless.
very informative.
Yay Fr. KAPPES!
Hello
I am an 18th century scholar, and I have a question about minute 16:10 - did you say the Jesuits were suppressed in 1773 because of Masonic influence? I am asking because I heard the opposite view - that the Jesuits were influenced by Freemasonry and this lead to the Jansenist/Jesuit conflict. To clarify - were the Jesuits in the right in this case? Were the Freemasons in opposition to or in alliance with them, or was it a combination of both (I know some priests in the time period were Freemasons, if I remember correctly the Jean-Martin de Prades was one of them, but I am not sure if the Jesuits were)? I know more about the Jansenists and their excesses, but I have read some Jesuit texts that were somewhat favorable towards the Enlightenment (while Jansenist publications condemned the Enlightenment outright, Jesuit publications usually engaged it in debate and analyzed Enlightenment texts in greater detail, often criticizing the arguments laid out by Enlightenment philosophers point-by-point and sometimes agreeing with a couple of them). Do you have any more in-depth knowledge about this or just general insights?
Thank you for your time. God bless you!
Dr. Minerd, is the CCC ( as opposed to the Roman Catechism or Baltimore etc) a good way for me to learn the faith? I am so confused about it, i hear so many contradictory things about the 1992 catechism. I like reading it but i want to know that it is good.
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Although I know that some among my Roman Catholic brethren express concerns regarding the 1992 Catechism, I personally think it is a good resource for catechesis.
Thank so much.
Can someone please tell me the music at the intro
Music: Axion Estin by St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church Choir of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada ruclips.net/video/79QG-ZhMDDE/видео.html
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Last week you didn't answer my question on Summa Th. I EN Qu.64 a.4 Article: 4 Whether our atmosphere is the demons' place of punishment? I was gonna say that when the next plane falls out the sky...it'll be your fault....and today MU5735 Fall Out Of The Sky
Thomism is mistaken about some important theological 'problems'. Scripture teaches that God wills that everyone should be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. Thomism, by contrast, makes a distinction that is nowhere found in scripture or early tradition, i. e., between sufficient and efficacious grace. According to the Thomists God has a preferential option for certain people! God has predestined some to eternal glory _ante praevisa merita_ . This is the problem of accepting the tradition of late Augustine which has polluted the western tradition: without Augustine's grim doctrines of predestination there might never have been Baroque Thomism, Jansenism, Calvinism and Lutheranism.
Salvation is only found in Jesus Christ, no other person, place, or thing.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
I feel bad for those who think otherwise, when their time is up on earth, they’ll open their eyes in hell.
Last i knew you weren’t God you, and you didn’t decide who went to hell, but if i had to guess, you’re probably on that list.
The energies of God are deity Uncreated when they get in the creation.anything different then that say is blasphemy
Maritain, Chenu, Congar... why mention these names without a condemnation attached? Their ideas were adopted at VII, and have led us to the situation we're in now. Also, who cares, really, if there were supposedly "excesses", by the Holy Office when going after theologians? Why quibble about "violating subsidiarity"? If the bishops were not doing their job, then the Holy Office had to do it to protect the faithful. If only the Vatican were doing the same now! I find Minerd himself to be suspect. What kind of nonsense do they teach at his seminary? Everyone knows that there are no good seminaries apart from the traditionalist seminaries, anyway. This discussion is displeasing, and I will not support the channel.
St Thomas, for all of his great intellectual greatness, accepted certain propositions on faith and then was forced to defend them, such as the ludicrous notion of inherited guilt. The fact is that the NT does not teach inherited guilt. Augustine read Romans 5:12 in Latin rather than the original Greek: in quo omnes peccaverunt (in whom [Adam] all men sinned) but the Greek does not say that. _eph ho_ means 'because, not 'in'. We sin because of Adam, not that we sinned in Adam. Thomas received this nonsensical tradition as a part of faith and tried to defend it.
I have read his work (Garrigou-Legrange---the teacher of Pope John Paul II), and while for the most part it is fine, I have definite issues with certain theological beliefs of his. I will not say which. What I will say is that when we have the Gospels and Our Lord Jesus Christ, we do not need the work of theologians. It is a fine intellectual exercise and nothing more. Thomas Aquinas experienced this in the beatific vision he was given, after which, he never wrote again. While the cathedrals of the mind they build are, indeed, beautiful, they are sterile and do not convey Life. And though I have the Summa Theologiae, I simply cannot read it. I cannot waste my time. Not because I do not have the intelligence, the intellectual equipment, and the developed mind, to appreciate and understand it---but I find it just like so much straw. Dead, dry, in fact. There is no Life in it. And while it may convey the Holy Spirit----Thomas Aquinas was a holy man---its purpose is more for priests of the the scholastic sort. In short, it is purely scholasticism. Instead---I have found The Book of Heaven---the revealed writings of Luisa Piccarreta, the Servant of God----a master stoke, by none other than JESUS, Himself. Why would I waste the last years of my life I have left with other men's intellectualizations, when mine are already developed and evolved, and when I can go straight to the SOURCE, the WORD, Himself. Whether these revelations of JESUS to LUISA, are approved by the Church or not, I have had personal experience of the veracity and the divine blessing that this book conveys--as we receive the Gift of the Divine Will from JESUS, and begin our life here on earth, before we get to Heaven---of: Living in the Kingdom of the Divine Will. Anything else now is a waste of time. I am 60 years old. I do not know how much time I have left. I cannot afford to waste the last years of my life on other men's---(saints or not, makes no difference)---intellectual musings on scripture, philosophers (Aristotle, Plato, Plotinus, Averroes, Avicenna, etc...), and their philosophy. I have the entire set of the Early Church Fathers (Nicene and Post Nicene), but what is the point? I cannot read a word of it. It has no bearing on my life. Instead, I have THE GOSPELS, REVELATIONS, and 'THE BOOK OF HEAVEN'. What else do I need? Nothing! We all have little time left, since these are the End Times. What time we have left, I recommend: spend it wisely. Work towards becoming a Divine Being, "another JESUS on earth", and "a little god of the earth"---in JESUS' words (in---The Book of Heaven). And so, prepare to enter Heaven when you die. If you read The Book Of Heaven, and begin to live in the Divine Will, when you pass from this earth, you will go straight to Heaven---this is JESUS' promise!......May God bless those who choose to become the first Children of the Divine Will on earth! Amen!
One doesn't even need to be capable to read to be saved. Just follow the commandments. There's no shortcuts for that. All the sacraments are necessary and a (very good) help, but not a substitute, to a straight life.
One must be humble, bear it's own cross, and follow Jesus.
To say it's a waste of time to read the doctors of the Church it's very subjective. Teology is an important and necessary subject as law, medicine and math. Even more important because it's impact goes way beyond our present material world. Bad theology leads to all sorts of heresies and moral mistakes.
@@HoradrimBR Yes. Thank you. What you said is true. Humility, indeed, is number one. Humility like that of Mother Mary and St. Joseph. Second is: lead a holy life. Same thing. Be a saint. Carry our cross in life. Be obedient: obey the commandments. But I disagree with you on theology. Theology is strictly for scholars, academics, and priests----not laity. Law, medicine, math---please excuse me---are not important for salvation, nor for getting to Heaven. Read Jesus' own words on this topic in, The Book Of Heaven. He is very clear about theologians not getting to Heaven, and that, largely, their work is motivated by vanity and pride, if not tainted by sin. The 'human will' can never produce anything that is perfect and pure. No matter how holy or virtuous the work. I am not being subjective, here. But objective. Unless, The Book of Heaven, itself, is heresy. (That would mean that even the 'Divine Mercy' revelations of St. Faustina are heresy, false; which they cannot be. They are at the core of our Faith, as Catholics. This alone would make us heretics.) Which I believe it is not. This alone would be subjective. How can we know with absoluteness, anything, unless it is confirmed through experience, and in our trust in the Lord? As for the Catechism of the Church, we rely on our Faith: that the men who wrote it were motivated, and, indeed, inspired by the Holy Spirit, for it to be Truth. Trust is very important. Again, I have had serious disagreements with Garrigou-Legrange---as with ALL theologians; with their works; they all contain error. But never I had disagreed with Jesus---The Book Of Heaven, the New Testament. How can one? He alone is Truth. Jesus is very clear: do not trust in, or rely on, Man. But in God, alone. ALL men have the propensity to sin, as a result of Adam's Fall, and because of the 'human will'. It cannot be said of it as being subjective. Or, Jesus, Himself, would have to be subjective in His teachings. The pure objective Truth cannot be known by Man, but only by God. We were given JESUS so that we may know, objectively, Truth. For this reason, alone, were were given scripture, and apparitions, and certain, specific, saints (St. Faustina, the Servant of God, Luisa Piccarreta). I submit to you: that law, medicine, and math, have failed us, if not been at the root of many present day evils. Man is inherently sinful. ALL men have evil, do evil. We cannot escape that. ALL men sin. This is fact. So no matter how holy a work may appear, it is limited by man's inclusive nature to sinning. No man is good. Jesus said so Himself. To say otherwise is to speak heresy against Jesus, Himself. God is very, very simple. It is Man who complicates Him. We are called to be good, holy, pure---that alone---to our very best ability, and when we fail, or make mistakes---when we sin---we go to the Sacraments: Reconciliation (confession), is number one; the Holy Eucharist, going to Mass, is two; and going before the Blessed Sacrament, is third. All of this is taught by JESUS. To be, or do, anything else, is to fall into sin, heresy, and even worse: sacrilege, blasphemy. As Pope Francis is doing. We depend largely on our own inclinations and personal tendencies. Such as our love of self, evil, and sin. Or through our pride and vanity: no matter how subtle, or sublime the work...or how evil and sin in us is disguised, hidden, or kept secret. God sees, and knows, ALL. Which is why we say: "Jesus, I trust in you!" And why we should not trust in any theologian. The mind is merely an instrument; as is intellect. I have found this out through my experiences and a long life (I am 60 years old; it feels like I am 600. So sharp and straight through the gate has been the learning curve.) True, Pure Intelligence, is a product of God, and can only be achieved through purity, humility, obedience, and by our efforts to lead a holy, sanctified, Life. Hence, having God's Mind, the Mind of Christ, in us, is our only other solution. Which is why Jesus never spoke to any theologian. But only to the Saints. For all their erudition, intellect, and musings---subjective, speculative---they do not compare to the Saints to whom JESUS (or Mary, for that matter) has appeared to and spoken to. As He did, as LORD, to the Prophets. Revelation, alone, suffices. But the works of Man only serve to bring about confusion and error. May what I have written here not contain error.
In addition: we rely on our prayers, our meditation on the Passion, etc...And our contemplation on His WORD...Yes---and God's Love, Mercy, and Grace. Amen.
It is not "bad theology"---all theology contains error---that leads to what you say: but an impure mind and heart. "Blessed are the pure in heart (having 'clean' hearts)..." For the pure in heart shall see (know) God. Impurity, disobedience, lack of humility, et al...lead men into error, and grievous sin. But what causes these? It is the "human will" (pride, vanity, arrogance), that is at the root of all EVIL that ALL men do. No matter how holy they appear to be. For which reason we were given the Divine Mercy Chaplet.
@@pjoseph1658 I'm not understanding your perspective. Are you catholic or not? Do you believe in the "one true Church", the Creed of Nicea-Constantinople or not? The Church authority proclaimed 34 doctors that are theologians and saints as well. Not everybody is called to be a theologian and that's fine. But to say theology is useless per se is just plain wrong.
There's criteria about good and bad theology: If helps the understanding of the sacred doctrine and corrects the mistakes it's a good theology, if does the opposite it's bad. Of course, there're better and worse theologians, and even Saint Thomas commit mistakes, but he always wanted to obey the Church and never opposed stablished dogma.
Unfortunatelly, many theologians are bad, filled with pride, and want to change God's law instead of understand more. Their existence is another good reason for good theologians: they must correct the errors spread by them.
A catholic must follow the Church, that's the criteria, not other sources and private revelations - even Fatima.
Talking about "useless" why even read these other books you're talking about? How can it be even close to the real presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the eucharist? Eucharistic adoration, penance, works of mercy.
To fight pride it's very useful that we submit to some authority, a spiritual director, a good priest. The modern cult of individual freedom - that feeds both protestantism and secular humanism - originates from pride.
It's a giant with the feet made of sand: no Trinity exists. No Trinity exists because no third divine person exists. The "Spirit of God" (the Holy Spirit) is simply GOD WHO IS A SPIRIT ("God is a spirit", as stated by Jesus Himself). The Holy Spirit is thus the FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT. He is the Holy Spirit inside Jesus to help Him, NOBODY ELSE is there. The Paraclete is NOT in Jesus, he will come later to replace Jesus. It is perfectly evident that no "third divine person" exists because Father and Son only care about their own businesses and NEVER address a further divine person (the Paraclete), I can quote TONS of verses!
(A)"those who will believe in me through their word so that they all may be one, as you, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU. THEY also may be one in US..."
(Jesus didn't forget anybody!)
(B)"...the hour, no man knows, no, not the ANGELS in heaven or the SON, but the FATHER only knows." (Son and Father)
(C)"whatever you ask of the Father in my name, He will give it to you." (Son and Father)
(D)"ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of POWER and appearing in the clouds of heaven." (only the Son)
(E) "I am in the FATHER and the FATHER IN ME" (Son and Father)
(F)" You neither know ME nor my FATHER." (Son and Father)
If a third divine person existed, those verse should read:
"...those who will believe in me through their word so that they all may be one, as you, FATHER, are in ME and in the PARACLETE, and I and the PARACLETE in YOU. They also may be one in US..."
"...the hour, no man knows, no, not the ANGELS in heaven or the SON, but the FATHER AND THE PARACLETE only know."
"whatever you ask of the Father OR OF THE PARACLETE in my name, THEY will give it to you."
"ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of POWER AND ON THE LEFT OF THE PARACLETE and appearing in the clouds of heaven."
"I am in the FATHER AND IN THE PARACLETE and the THEY ARE IN ME"
" You neither know ME nor my FATHER, NOR THE PARACLETE."
In other terms the Holy Spirit exists but NO THIRD DIVINE PERSON EXISTS.
This video is boring and not directed to the average person and their belief system.
It's directed towards those with an interest in soteriology and Thomism, as the title indicates.
@@exulHibernicus There should be a warning attached to this video so that the average guy who tries to unscramble this discussion and is disappointed with the esoteric content.