EPIC - Flash (T) v Light (P) on Fighting Spirit- Brood War REMASTERED 2019
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Only way to beat Flash: play Toss like a Zerg
Yup buddy
Okay, so key moments, in detail:
Early Game
5:20 Perfect Robotics timing and starting Observatory almost immediately - it may look a small thing, but this made it possible for Light to face the first Vulture flock with 1st Observer out (7:54)
6:32 With forcing repair with 4 scvs, Light was ahead enough to setup his 3rd base and the wall as well. Having a total of 6 Pylons in the wall! Pretty crucial, as it'll become apparent at 7:21
8:41 Nice reflexes saving that 1st Observer (2nd only finished)
Early Fight
9:26 The iconic tank-resetting or "gambling" fight everyone is talking about here in chat. Seriously, that awareness and micro gives me chills. Notice how he drops Zealots on tanks at 9:30 and the Dragoon control (no path messing, moving between shots)
Macroing up
10:48 Fourth base dropped. This a common theme here: both zerg and protoss needs to stay ahead with base count vs terran or they lose. Plain and simple.
10:56 Upgrades: Stasis first for Arbiters. Unless you plan to all-in, always start with Stasis. Also note how Light is keeping up with Flash's attack upgrade. Although terran mech scales better with upgrades, if you fall behind as protoss, it could have game-ending impact on how your fight would go. One less attack on tanks to kill them could be the your saving grace.
11:03 Fifth base dropped. After 10 sec of dropping the fourth. Extremely important, made possible by that 9:26 fight.
11:37 Keeping track of Vulture flock so they cannot run by the building expos.
13:49 Gate timing.
14:32 Sixth base dropped. Saving the small Dragoon force and wiping out the Vulture run by is nice, too.
Mid Dance
15:19 Stasis on the Vessel and a couple tanks. Another cruicial moment. Were two EMPs hit the protoss army instead of one, maybe Flash could've pushed even further.
15:45 The Protoss dance. This is something you can see alot in PvT, protoss trying to dance around the pushing terran army, trying to find the weak spot.
15:56 Nice EMP. The dance buys enough time to get out High Templars.
16:14 Stasis on the Vessel, killing the other while retreating. This is huge.
Break the Push
16:47 Finally found a good angle. Killing another Vessel. High Templars join up, and as no Vessels around, they can storm. This happens again a few seconds later: as no Vessels around for EMPs/detection, Flash has to use Scan, which means the sieged up tanks are sitting there for a couple seconds, not hitting anything, allowing Light to drop a bunch of extremely important storms.
18:06 This leads up to save his natural just at the nick of time, finally breaking the terran push.
Counter
18:51 The full boom of 6 base economy. Almost instantly replinishing back to 200, 23 units in production at the same time.
18:59 Another nice EMP. Imagine if the other Vessels were still alive.
19:32 Superb Zealot micro in premiere plan, reaching the tanks after some kiting, instead of A-moving.
20:08 Seventh base dropped during the chaos.
Taking out the expos
20:50 The first Vulture raid on a protoss expo in the match. Aside from catching a couple transferring probes, Light's economy was never really threathened.
21:09 Attack on Flash's third. He will then hit fourth, then 3rd, then 4th again, disrupting mining and widening the economical gap.
21:17 That Stasis is what you are waiting for as protoss. Catching something on a ramp, blocking reinforcement/evacuation pathing. Same trick as Lurker egg and equally impactful.
22:11 Although not seeable, an attempted Templar drop. Also, the seven-base bank vs one minding base economy really starts to show.
23:50 That Storm drop is just beautiful.
The most important in my eyes:
6:32
9:26
10:48, 11:03
16:14
16:47
21:17
So, just to summarize: although some terran players are mad for some reason, isn't "just" Gateway units. It's really like playing Zerg, staying ahead of bases, throwing units, using two essential casters, outmanouvering and all of it. Breaking the Terran Push is one of the most frustrating and hardest thing to do in the game.
Real solid analysis, Ferenc. :) Thanks!
@@FalconPaladin aww, thanks man! You're one of the best things out there on youtube. :)
this was better than my dissertation
It is true protoss have lot of small details to take care of, and its true terran army is stronger, therefore why it can be frustrating for protoss.
But lets not forget protoss have some advantage for themselves like more bases, more cash, more production building, more army, more tech, more map control, and all that in the same time, until terran gets a good army that might be stronger if controled perfectly. So yea, frustration can be on both sides.
Excellent summary. The only small thing I would add is the coincidental benefit of having the gateway productions on two sides of the map here. Flash goes to push into the natural of Light and the zealots come from both sides right out of the gateways into the tanks. This was a good win when finishing the break on the push.
This game is a great study example for an aspiring Protoss v T player
Insanely good match! Thanks for the awesome cast, master Falcon! 😊
Damn this is non stop action, the protoss army produced so fast, how did they lose Aiur to the Zerg 😂
This was a very good match to watch and so much to pick apart. Light really starved Flash in this match by keeping him on his toes and having good trades, and you can see just by the resources bank near the last quarter of the match. Light was cranking out units so fast and hitting 200 supply quickly after traders, and while Flash could replenish some tanks, four bases wasn't going to do it. I was really concerned for Light during that Ring Around the Rosey in the middle of the game, and even though it was so clumsy of a maneuver, that 17:02 double storm on the bulk of the tanks really softened Flash's tanks and the streamline of reinforcing Zealots flowing from Light's base were easily able to two/three tap that massive tank count into single digits. From there I don't think the Little Monster was able to mass enough, even against not-fully upgrades Gateway units.
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Re? where is the next match?
This was a real treat, don't be greedy now :)
Yeah, where is it?
I'm the only one who didn't know Light changed his race? Or you guys know it?
And this channel is so interesting man! From Korea.
EPIC! EPIC!! EPIC!!!! Light YOUR MY HERO!! Wholly Crap! That’s how to do PvT! Falcon Paladin thank you I’m gonna watch and practice Light’s techniques to improve my PvT game! That was by far the best PvT engagement I’ve ever seen! As a diehard BroodWar fan and Protoss player with siege-tank nightmares, this is my standard to reach for!! Boooyaah Flash! Take That!!
The only thing that wouldv’e been even more insane was a couple DA’s to MindControl those Sci-vessels before they EMP’d the arbiter line
FALCON, you Rock! Let’s play a game sometime -SpartBen117. US West Gateway
21:16 beautifully!!! Красиво исполнил!
Terran are so OP in brood war you MUST have economic advantage for thinking abot beating 'em
Light had very good army control, good storms and macro, but this is a strange game for Flash. In mid-late game TvP scenarios, when Flash moves out with 200/200 he will have a 4th base built at that point, occasionally with a 5th starting. This optimization is what allows Flash to withstand multiple Protoss macro cycles and kill Protoss later on after Protoss has controlled half of the mining bases. In this match you can see Flash still didn't have a 4th base mining at 17:00, while his main was all but mined out. Game's over after Light initiated the fight at 19:16 with superior positioning. Maybe this was before Flash optimized the 200/200 TvP death push.
Thank you for your casts, Falcon Paladin! Brood War is an underappreciated art, and I really love your content!
Collywobble I completely agree! An art now revitalized once more!
Isnt Light a T player?
He was in MBC heroes.
I even didn't know. I just searched it. because many Koreans remember their real name not IDs
And this guy was a terran! He changed his race just few months ago!
PROTOOOSSSSSS!!! Ok, Protoss: 1, Flash: a million, but it’s still satisfying
Flashlight pun intended.
kek
Brown Terran gameplay is a guilty pleasure of mine😑
Always happy to rewatch this beauty
Amazing game. It deserves more views.
Wonder how the rematch went?
I'm colorblind. If possible, please cast in easier to distinguish colors on the minimap
Falcon can u find the rematch ? Towards the end flash asked for rematch and light agreed
Have watched thousands of bw vods esp from south Korea tournaments. I have alot of knowledge, lmk if you wanna duo commentary sometime bro, love the content keep it up! :)
Greedy doesn't necessarily cut it. There was that game a couple of months back when the protoss (Bisu, maybe) took nine periferal bases while Flash was at three the whole time. One good maxed-out push by Flash saw him sitting in the center, protoss now at 7-8 bases and without any hope of dislodging Flash.
Although I guess you could call that too greedy, the same strat as here just taken to the extreme.
You are right about that early reset of the tank count. That bit was decisive.
Does look like Larva playing off race.
Also, thanks for the great cast!
MadDocPax ya, Bisu lost that one because he didn’t use hybrid “cloaked” Shuttle drops on the tank line - watch carefully, Loght drops a Zealot or two on the line THEN Couple HT’s to Storm Flash out of existence! Soooo good PvT!
Just wow that was crazy
i tend to say "this was the most epic cast ive ever seen!" after watching any cast uploaded by falcon. but after watching this cast i must say "this was the best cast that ive ever seen!" lololol
SUCH a great game. Glad you enjoyed it :)
Awesome vids, love em! Any chance you can also post the replay file in addition?
Light has an incredible level
What a demonstration there ! Light is my new HerO ! Thx for Master Falcony to bring this beauty of a game to us.
21:15 great moment))
The legendary match, which Falcon will reference for every PvT he ever casts.
DAMM, NOW I KNOW WHY STARCRAFT PLAYERS WENT TO POKER TO GAMBLE.
why
@@jimtan1990 ??
Protoss is insane!
7:09 I sensed you wanted to say "where the fuck..." but didn't which I find HILARIOUS/LMAO/ROFL!
StarCraft 1 - protoss should be nerfed. But no nerf since 2021. Even in remastered version protoss are imbalanced.
StarCraft 2 - let's nerf terrans cause we like protoss!
This was good
1 vulture = 75 minerals
1 dragoon = 125 minerals
[not to mention gas also needed but considering gas rafinery even depleted still can be harvested for 2 gas / worker]
so 3 dragoons = 5 vultures as minerals ...
now could 5 vultures take out 3 dragoons?
with spidermines maybe...
As a Terran main I'm disappointed that Terran lost.
Been a while since the last time i saw flash lost in this channel lol
: 3 heck ya!!
I've always wondered...how come terran don't ever research blind for medics? Wouldn't that be a very cost effective way of dealing with stupid observers?
I've always wondered why Protoss doesn't do Dark Archon feedback vs stupid Science Vessels ;)
I'm not at expert at all, but I don't think medics are often used in PvT because of how squishy bio is, so specifically getting medics and blind just to blind an observer seems unwieldy. Furthermore, blinding an observer is (almost) strictly worse to simply killing it
You should check out Liquidpedia's page on Optical Flare! There are some really cool games by Boxer using it with success (:
Its kinda a lot of investment. It is one extra group of units you have to control, and since Terran is just going mech, honestly, if observers were an issue, a Goliath does the trick. Blind is often used in a very specific situation (I've seen which is versus mass carriers. Bunch of cloaked wraiths + medics to blind the bundle of observers). As Colly mentioned, I believe it was in a boxer game which was pretty sick. Dark Archon feedback also isn't very good against science vessels mainly because you want feedback to kill the target and science vessels typically don't have full energy. Also another thing for toss to control (and control in this game is very hard because of 12 unit cap. Hard to control 75+ units along with spells while also having to remake those units at the same time).
Noting the 12 selection cap. I wonder how the pros would play if they had one of the hacks that allowed them so select more than 12 units. I can imagine something like Jaedong's Mutalisk micro would be terrifying with like 25 stack muta group.
It's actually not that hard. All the Protoss has to do is keep using storms like in a PvZ. This game unlike all the many others in which the Terrans won has lots of decent storms....
7:29 that vulture: DOOR'S STUCK PLEASE!!
I BEG YOU!
:)))
This first attack was main thing! He destroy this imba tank line and after he just bited piece by piece.
Light played the best game of his life there. Never seen anyone outzerg Flash like this.Bravo!
Oh man!!!! This is going to be awesome! Just won a game of brood war and I’m pumped for this. Watching these titans play made me improve my game as well, thanks FP! Im now up to 21% lol
I’m 19% and feel good about that lol.
Man what a great game. Thank you💪... That arbiter play on vulture was epic
No problem!
Even a god king can bleed
indeed a great game!
The biggest significance of this game is to break the myth of invincibility of Flash ‘s Terran: 3/3 plus tank matrix; vultures surrounding; 200 supply max out push, which are the nightmares of so many Protoss user. Now , Light use this match to prove, all above are nonsense in front of overwhelming advantage in ahead economy and cranking !
Is this the best game you’ve ever casted? Did I find it??
That's it!
ruclips.net/video/q-7nBJr9pG8/видео.html But also this!
Light - Lee jae ho, terran player
At the end looks like flash wanted a rematch, is there a rematch to this game? Lol
9:35 very slobby by Flash! 3 tanks unsieged and not even micromanaged... He should've won that by unseaging them from a distance after killing the zealots.
Worthy tag
What is your apm in sc falcon？；P
A theoretical idea for arbiters. Have a few of them out and about with a few zealots and dragoons. And one with your army. Force them to make more scans than they need.
@ 16:32 Flash should have attacked the two bases at north east instead of a lengthy chase that made light benefit from time and higher income to produce waves of attack the depleted flash's army
Was Flash experimenting with using unsieged tanks instead of vultures to buffer tanks?
Last/Light are two I always get confused.
I've seen flash bested before but never like that
GG
RE?
Flash has too much pride and very egoistic person LOL.....Bisu is better anyway
I dont think so... If U R pro player, U need every possibility to train with other pro player, especially those against, who beat U. Bisu is really good anyway :)
IS NOT FLASH... 240 apm? Are u kidding me?
How do you find a link to the Korean Starcraft BW discord?
discord.gg/JUkxeP
Does anyone have this replay file?
Does restore from medics work on stasis?
Nope. You can't target stasised units.
wow - the OP T goes down... what a day. to win with a T - it is like playing with cheats, to lose with a T - like what nub shyte was he doing to lose with a T
Finally, someone learned that zealots are the counter to tanks, not dragoon’s.
"who does that?" daddy can you read me a story. NO! i hat e protoss -artosis
Fighting spirit is such a bad map for toss, especially in PvT, how is it normal for a game like this to last this long?
Flashlight gaming
I want to watch this re
WOW, first time i have ever seen flash lose vs toss, expand expand expand! please find the rematch!!!
Wtf since when does light play protoss
Players offrace sometimes. Flash does, too!
I love terran and i love flash but it was nice to see someone actually beat him
Epic tag this needs
FLASHLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flash wasn't playing that well. I know that.
Awesome epic match
comment of the month
WTF? Light is a terran user too...
This is not Flash
Amazing videos, I am a huge fan and hope to see cast on the big stage one day!
Diligent mine clearing from protoss
niubility ....P
Flash fake ????
jabakazooel
Sick game!
comment 4 !
Flash sucks
templar "merge"
I'm here because of that game of Bisu vs Ssak
Welcome! :)
7:30
That vulture LOL 😎
Wiggle wiggle wiggle :D
Yay! Finally a toss winning :)
light is terran usually..
This was good stuff
love the videos. keep them coming
This one was veery good
more like 17k spent
18:34 ...The Merging is complete...
So what is apm?
liquipedia.net/starcraft/Actions_per_Minute
Best prot play ever 👌