That's different from saying he would never believe. Even Satan the morning star once believed one third of the angels demons. But somehow Judas alone has the impossible to believe ever gene and infinity stones in him, but no other creation in the universe? . I'm calling that nonsense. Not saying he believed, but the idea that wee know for sure his salvation state to his last breath enough to judge his salvation his entire life. Something only Jesus can do, and should do, is preposterous. Is out of our league and pay grade. Just to push man made doctrines like calvinism and once saved always saved. Instead we need to look at and work at our own salvation state now, not whether Judas 2000 years ago had the same ability to believe we had, or that the blood on the cross shed also was there to redeem Judas everyone whosoever if the truly believe God bless. Let's give All people grace and let God decide and judge their final moments and salvation in life. What do we need Jesus for if we are already judging people to hell and we cannot even see their heart or no their last breath as Jesus can? Take care, be careful people because as we judge others we will be judged, God forbid buy you or a live one may one day doubt God become an atheist for whatever reason and deny the father and son and not forgive others. .we know what Jesus said about that Many Christians will judge you or your friend like you just judge Judas and say he could not ever had been saved and is headed to hell.. when we are needed most to restore them to the faith they have taken for. Do you at least understand my point and concern. .you may be right about Judas, but you don't know that so don't state it as fact. .is not the blood of Jesus enough to save even Judas if he truly repented and believed before his last breath, or is it not? .. how you answer that data a lot
CARLTON PEARSON STATED THAT THERE'S NO HELL. JESUS STATED THAT THERE IS A HELL. SOMEBODY'S LYING. SINCE GOD CANNOT LIE, WELL, THAT KINDA NARROWS IT DOWN, DOESN'T IT?
Great analysis and exegesis on Judas. The "deliverance" teachers like to use Judas as someone who was "saved" but became demonized. We know Judas was entered into by satan himself in Scripture (John 13:27), but I would argue that the reason why satan could enter Judas is because he was not saved, and his heart was in line with satan's desires.
Did Saul have the spirit of God, and was it taken away from him? Corey you contradict yourself saying the spirit is never taken away . Adam and Eve, Satan and the fallen angels? Others? If we believe Corey and once saved doctrine not lose your keys or smartphone lose is an involuntary unknown action. But instead Corey should say, fall away from the faith, commit apostasy thats what we are talking about m, which Jesus says will happen and is a miral conscious free will decision to serve another instead of God, after you had a one time served God . If you had free will ability to accept or reject Jesus, do you lose the ability to accept him if you once rejected him? .and likewise do you lose your ability to reject him once you accept him. .and why would one be different than the other. Then is your faith and belief real, if you cannot change it or have any control of it. Salvation should be based on current belief not fomer belief. .that's why we are being satisfied and convicted if sin even after salvation and still repent some daily and confess our sins and he is faithful to forgive us believers. If it's already settled then we don't have to believe anymore it's automatic and there is no reason to repent or be sanctified grow or show fruit and we cannot say no to salvation ever again. The worst part of osas and tulip doctrine is it pretty much forces you to judge someone that has truly fallen away from the faith as never being saved. .something only the Lord Jesus could possibly know or judged and that out us in a situation like a scribe or Pharisee saying than you God im not like them, based on their outside, im guaranteed heaven im elect or osas and cannot be lost ever, more self righteous than humble so be careful if you ever say well they must not have ever been saved, that a huge statement if someone you don't know salvation, who may have been may be or may be in the future. But if they here you say that, it will be even more difficult to restore them. .that's calvinism lite It should if you truly believe you are saved, and there will be good fruit good works gifts if the spirit, that's the holy spirit, he will convict you if sun and Gid will chastise you when you start to far, these are not to save you but are there because you are already saved.
I Accept the Free Gift of Salvation!!! ❤ FEAR the LambOfGod who takes away the Sins of the World 🌎 Be Blessed by the HolySpirit of TRUTH!!! 🕊 Thank you Father in Heaven!!! Amen!!!
My former pastor asked this same question about Judas' salvation. He said because Judas threw back the 30 pieces of silver, that was his way of repenting and he was saved. What a ridiculous analogy. Most in the class said no Judas was not saved. Thank you Bro Corey for clarifying this.
He did not just throw the 30 pieces of silver he repented and apparently committed suicide as well. Only Jesus can judge if he was ever saved or not, not you or I. As jesus said about the rich man, with God, all things are possible , even salvation for Judas. Lets let Jesus not us, after all its his sacrifice that makes salvation possible for all, not our manmade doctrines that came much later. .some true some not, most well meaning.
@@Zigzagzolaronly jesus knows his soul, i pray he truly repented 😊❤and we see him in heaven if he did. As with Peter. But God allows each man to make that choice he does not force it or he would be a respecter of persons favoring certain ones in regards to salvation over others. .talk about amazing grace.
@@Tigerex966 Judas suicided. Judas didn't believe in forgiveness, being forgiven, repenting. He felt regret and despair. As will those who go to hell. Judas didn't return to Jesus. He didn't love Jesus. Peter returned to Jesus. And affirmed with his heart and mouth that he loved Jesus. And Jesus forgave him. Big difference between Judas and Peter.
@@Zigzagzolar only Jesus knows if that's true or not at his last breath, not you or I . You are presuming and reading that into the text, and it may be true, but the text does not say that . Let's let Jesus judge if someone or Judas ever believed or not, not once saved always saved or Calvinist doctrines... As with God all things are possible. People in the faith will fall away from the faith and we should seek to restore them, not condemn them to hell or say they never believed in the first place, to support a manmade doctrine, by reading our biases and manmade doctrines into the text. .again you may be right and should say I believe this based on this and that .but don't be dogmatic stating it as fact when the text does not say what you just said as a fact.
Amen brother C!! OSAS, if you were truly saved when you got saved! The end, period! A lot of "pastor's" are helping people go to hell with the prayer of salvation. They say a prayer with them and leave it at that and tell them they are going to heaven. No talk of repentance, no talk of changing they way they live going forward, no talk of making Jesus the Lord of their life. It's one of the great deceptions in our world.
and you think you're doing all these things? You want to know what the great deception of this world is? Eternal hell. All Christians believe this nonsense. God is the Savior of all men, especially those that believe.
The thief on the cross was saved when he believed, when he trusted in the crucified Christ, he was saved by grace through faith alone in Christ alone, not by obedience to the Law. God bless.
Corey's problem is saying lose your salvation, it should be correctly stated as apostasy or falling away from the faith you are in as Jesus himself says many will do. Saying lose is a smokescreen of an involuntary action Fall away walk away or actual free will decisions that Adam even you and I can make. Its stated wrongly like losing keys or phone by accident. It should say can someone in the faith can fall away from the faith as Jesus says many will. In other words belief is responsible for salvation, God does not force you to believe or to keep believing. And will allow many to fall away from the faith, our job is to use scripture orayer and example to restore them to the faith not go around saying since you dont believe now, you never believed before or vice versa. It falls away from the faith you are in a conscience decision, not lose your salvation involuntarily like a set of keys.
Heb 6 is very clear for me that you can (receives many blessings and still departs). In the end it will be condemned. Also Rom 8, if we live our lives obeying the old nature we will die, but if through the Spirit we put to death the deeds of the body we will live. This is exactly like Jesus' words, too. "If you hold onto living your own life, you will die, but if you give up your life for my sake, you will keep it eternally."
@@danielbu2611 true, people are trying to support manmade doctrines of tulip and once saved always saved as taught by many recent pastors and theologians tv millionaire preachers that have a vested interest in colleges books speaking DVDs colleges schools to keep these man made theories going even denying someone in the faith can fall and will fall away from the faith as Jesus preaches .. they should try to restore those that fall away instead of claiming they were never saved, just to support those ingrained doctrines of men. But when that is the only view taught in most churches and seminaries and you are looked at crazy for even questioning it. Many just accept those doctrines over the words of Jesus or say no Jesus was not talking about believers falling away from the faith meaning belief. But just being worldly or backsliding, still saved. Basically they have created calvinism light. .instead of God not allowing you or I to have libertarian free will to accept it reject him because of election that's respecting if persons before we are born for automatic salvation and belief or being passed over like most for automatic hell, with no ability for humans in either said to change that, these osas doctrine allow you to choose to reject or accept in your life if you reject you can later change to accept, however if you accept you are locked in then somehow God prevents you from saying no i don't believe anymore or want this salvation . Is God afraid of your ability to say no, but not yes.? This is similar to calvinism irresistible grace or forced salvation where mankind can have faith in every religion that's false atheism bad things Allah Hindu etc. a million things But the one thing we cannot believe in is the one true thing Jesus Christ unless we were predetermined before time by divine decree. That would mean election saves, not Jesus Christ except as a secondary firegine conclusion. .the power goes to election, not Jesus and the blood in the cross. In fact, Jesus cannot save anyone, they must be elected only then is he allowed to save them, and he can not give them their just judgement to hell, again unless they were predetermined to be passed over like most people for certain hell, even Satan is not needed anymore, why should he, as they are already guaranteed he'll and cannot believe under double predestination in calvinism. In once saved always saved, the devil does not have to waste his time at all with those predestined to hell, since they cannot be saved and none of his efforts in believers can be either since they cannot be lost. .this makes all the passages about spreading the gospel fleeing sin all whosoever the world continue to the end being sanctified not falling away meaningless. .if there is no chance what do ever you can ever be saved or once saved ever lost... There would be no struggle in high ages for your soul if everything is already locked in.
MANY PEOPLE CAN HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS BUT NOT UNTO SALVATION. THEY'RE NOT ATHEISTS. JUDAS WASN'T AN ATHEIST. HE CHOSE TO BETRAY JESUS. JESUS KNEW JUDAS WOULD EVENTUALLY BETRAY HIM. JUDAS CHOSE HIS OWN DAMNATION.
“And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:23 ESV Notice the key word Jesus uses here, he says I NEVER knew you. He doesn’t say “I don’t know you anymore,” he says I NEVER knew you. It couldn’t get any clearer than this, you CANNOT lose your salvation. Those who say that you can lose your salvation completely miss this.
I don't miss this, but I think it's clearly hyperbolic. Just like the father of the prodigal son said his son was "dead." The son wasn't actually dead, but because the relationship has been betrayed it was as if he was dead. In the same way, if someone betrays you, oftentimes you will treat them as if you never knew them. John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. Notice here Jesus says there are those who beleive not AND those who betray. They aren't one in the same. You can't betray what you never had to begin with. Now put Judas into Matt 7:21 and clearly, Jesus knew Judas and Judas new Christ as he was a recipient of Christ power and authority...so ti can't be a literal "I never knew you"
@@BEABEREAN10 i agree matt 25:12 "But he replied, 'Truly I tell you, I don't know you". Let us not forget that knowing is not only about head knowledge, but intimacy or experience. We are told Adam knew Eve.
@@lebo3793 Excellent example. I think even this shows that it's hyperbole because clearly in order to get an invite that you accept you must be known by the bridegroom. But because of their lack of continued faith, the relationship was severed...thus "I never knew you/I do not know you" and tie that to the truth where Jesus spoke of those who would betray him.
@@BEABEREAN10What does it mean when Jesus says, “I never knew you.”? I take the point that there could be some figure of speech being used here. It doesn’t however negate the point- Jesus does not say, “I have forgotten you.” Instead he claims to not know the person- so whatever it means, that person is a stranger.
This biblical truth remains my comfort and hope during times of weak faith and/or when I am convicted that I have failed Jesus: Heb. 7:24-25 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. If we didn't gain our own salvation then how can we keep it? It saddens me how little and limited power many professing believers credit to Christ and His redemption. Just how does one become unsaved, unforgiven, unregenerated, unadopted, unindwelled and unsealed by Christ? It's our human pride that wants desperately to believe we'll be able to boast in having the ability more than others to make it to the end. Yet scripture is so clear that salvation is an unearned gift and that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith so that NO ONE who was given to Him by the Father can boast in anyone except Him (Ephesians 2:8-9). Jesus gave up His heavenly glory, condescended to take human form, lived under the Law perfectly as a man of sorrows, and died a TORTUOUS unjust death on behalf of those who don't deserve His sacrifice FOR NOTHING if we can then undo everything He's done to justify us before the Father. Even on a common sense level this makes no sense. If we are rejected by Christ at His judgement then the only explanation is that we were self-deceived because He NEVER knew us (Matthew 7:23; Luke 13:27; Matthew 25:1). It's never because He lost us.
The pain I have is that you dont believe that everyone will be saved eventually 1tim4:10, 1cor15:22, romans5:18 and many more scriptures like these. Some indeed dont have eyes to see and ears to hear the truth
"yet one of you is a devil" Jesus is recounting of who he was listening as the apostles, Judas was never known period to have been a sanctified believer. But, I love the way 1 John 2:19 what's it, if you fell away from us, you were never with this in the first place - then you have jesus's strongest admonition against those who would betray the gospel, or the son of man... "it would have been better for that person to have never been born"
I disagree Luke 9:1 you know who the Son of Perdition is because you had the privilege to read about who betrayed Jesus but I can prove that Satan was after them all and was allowed to enter into the heart of Judas.
@@darianhowery6377 What about John 12:6 and John 6:70 when he referred to Judas as a devil. He couldn’t have been saved if Jesus called him a devil. The devil cannot enter the saved.
@aPeachWhoLovesYeshua St John14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. The Lord even speaks to this point, this how you know the Devil was after all them, including the Lord.
@@darianhowery6377 John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, *but the son of perdition* that the scripture might be fulfilled. No, Judas was not saved. He had a purpose to fulfill. ...
@@darianhowery6377 Flip to Romans 9 and read the chapter. He is the Potter and we are the clay. Some fitted for life and some fitted for destruction. ALL for His purposes and glory.
Excellent response, Corey. I think John 13 seals the deal for me on the state of Judas' soul, showing that he was never cleansed or saved to begin with.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. The treasure of his heart wasn’t salvation. With the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10
Atleast as an apostle of Jesus Christ Judas was called to be great man and saved but he forfeit his calling and Salvation by betraying Jesus. Jesus said one of you will betray me to apostles so in order to betray someone you have to be brother , friend aly etc . All things in this world works according to choices made by us even tough God knows the end but man have to make his move that his sin has to be consumed so even Jesus knew that Judas will betray him but that does not mean that Jesus pretented to be his friend or picked him as apostle to entrap Judas to unforgivable sin . Jesus offered Judas way to Salvation, Greatness and life everlasting but all of that was rejected. Devil was also angel once that means holy and saved but he choose disobedience to God and path of the rebel.
You can refuse accept or give back a gift. Except Corey, once saved always saved, and irresistible grace doctrines, say you cant fall away from the faith. The faith you are in. Jesus says you can.. I will stick with Jesus
Hey Corey, can you do a breakdown on how Jeremiah 32 applies to not only the Jews at that time but to all believers today? I’m struggling to figure out the connection. Thanks
The more I study Romans and Ephesians the more it seems very obvious God isn't interested in saving everyone and there are only specific individuals that God foreknew before the foundation of the world. These will absolutely be saved or else Jesus and the Father's mission to rescue His people from sin is at some level a failure. If Jesus fails to save 1, it would suggest He isn't perfect in His ability to save. The more you understand this, the easier it becomes to interpret the New Testament. Take for example Jesus parable of the Wheat and the Tares. The farm hand is clearly surprised that there are tares among the wheat. The wheat represents God's people and the Tares represent Satan's seed. The tares where never going to turn into wheat. But the Tares were allowed to grow up and co-exist with the wheat until the end. Romans 9 is probably the clearest reference to salvation by Election. No matter how you spin it, you can't make it say something other than what it clearly says. You just can't. All are called, but few are chosen is easily reconsciled by the fact that we as Christians are to preach the gospel to all people, thus all are called to receive salvation, but unless God intervenes and enables a spiritually dead person to respond to the call they will always reject it. I thought for my entire Christian life a Christian could lose their salvation until I studied the book of Romans verse by verse. The Scriptures actually don't even suggest it's our faith that saves us, but the Faith OF Christ. Plus, if it was our faith, contrary to what Paul says about not boasting, we would have something to boast about. It would be OUR faith in Jesus that saved us. OUR faith means we had something to do with salvation and that is clearly not scriptural. Our faith pleases God, but it doesn't save us.
Why does this matter, live right be holy! I’m not going to live any way in hopes I don’t lose my salvation HE said “if you love me keep my commandments” ”Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.“ Isaiah 59:1-2 KJV
Stop and pray b.c u are clearly lost.. u must not know what His commandments were .. ur comment was pointless b.c u don't live Holy and are only made Holy through The Spirit of Christ by repenting and believing. God Bless
It's funny because I was just thinking about this a day or two ago, seemingly randomly. I don't remember what brought it to my mind, but I was thinking that Judas would have had to betray The Lord in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled. Therefore he could not be converted. But was it his fault? 🤔
Interesting question. Takes the doctrine of election and predestination into it. I often wonder myself if it is really the fault of the person who was never chosen before the foundation of the world for salvation. If that's the case, then many, many souls were doomed before they were ever born. RC Sproul has some great teaching on those doctrines here on YT. Well worth listening to.
Can you please pray that God takes away my autism I absolutely hate it it has been nothing but a curse in a drawback and has robbed me of so many things that I never could get to experience And please don't say it's a gift for something I've heard that all before people try to find meaning for every kind of physical impairment for some people it can be a blessing but for me it's a curse I need this to be removed from my life so I can live a normal life and start over and make sure I don't have to rely on anyone I often fantasize what my life would have been like if I was never born with autism makes me wonder what I lost It can't be quite depressing
In order to be saved you must first receive the Holy Spirit and be born again, Judas took his own life before Jesus gave up the spirit by dieing on the cross so he was unable to receive God's grace or salvation.
WE NEED TO STOP TRYING TO SHOVE PEOPLE INTO HEAVEN WHEN THEY HAVE SHUNNED GOD AND DISHONORED JESUS THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. HEAVEN IS A PREPARED PLACE FOR PREPARED PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVEN'T PREPARED YOURSELF FOR HEAVEN WHILE YOU'RE LIVING, THEN DON'T EXPECT TO GO THERE WHEN YOU DIE. ONCE WE BREATHE OUR LAST BREATH, OUR DESTINATION HAS BEEN SET. A NICE EULOGY HAS NEVER PUT NO ONE IN HEAVEN.
Just 3mins in (will listen to the whole thing) but I love this interesting concept. 2. Things though, while Jesus did call Judas a devil, he also rebuked Peter saying get behind me Satan. (Just from the first 3mins) I don’t think we can automatically assume that Judas wasn’t saved despite his betrayal. The other thing is there is a scripture that suggests that Jesus preached to & freed the captives of hell that believed whom Judas could’ve been among & freed through repentance of his betrayal
Jesus said those in the faith will fall away from the faith and he said this to believers. He never said all in the faith will stay in the faith, he said the opposite. He also said the devil was inquirung about Peter .you cannot lise what you dint have You cannot fall away from the faith if you are not un the faith. I
You hinted at the end a great point which is TIMELINE. There was NOT yet salvation through the gospel of Jesus Christ because He hadn’t been crucified, buried and resurrected yet. This truth also refutes the contention that believers can be demon possessed because Judas was possessed. Please comment on this because CONTEXT of timeline is overlooked as a definitive resolution to Christian debate.
I reject OSAS but agree with this. Jesus forgave sins accordingly as he was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. But technically, even Paul recognizes salvation after Christ resurrection as an already but not yet 1 Corinthians 15:1-5 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain.
Is this not representation of losing Salvation? To have your part taken out, would you have to have a part in? Rev 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Hints the removal of the Candlestick.
Followers of Christ may not even believe in Him. This where false encounters may arise. You can be a follower of Christ and yet not be disciple. John 17:3
Please answer these two questions. The Bible does not say that any of the Apostles were saved. We just see the acts of salvation. Believing on Jesus and following Him. What is salvation? Is salvation believing that Jesus is the Son of God? Thank you in advance for the charity.
Judas made his own choices, and they were the source of his own damnation. Yet the choices fit perfectly into the sovereign plan of God. God controls not only the good, but also the evil of man to accomplish His own ends. Here we see Jesus condemning Judas, but considering that Judas travelled with Jesus for nearly three years, we know He also gave Judas ample opportunity for salvation and repentance. Even after his dreadful deed, Judas could have fallen on his knees to beg God’s forgiveness. But he did not. He may have felt some remorse born of fear, which caused him to return the money to the Pharisees, but he never repented, preferring instead to commit suicide. Matthew 27:5-8
In John 15:1-6 Judas was not part of the meeting. He left the Last Supoer in John 13. So it seems that the warnings in John 15:1-6 were issued to the 11 apostles who were true believers and truly saved. Why didn't Jesus say these things when Judas was with them? Let's add the historical dimension. Whenever Paul took it upon himself to write epistles, he stated his audience within the first 5 verses of the first chapter- to the saints. Paul never wrote to unbelievers. This means that the warnings in the epistles were intended for true believers.
How would someone know they have the spirit of God in them? I asked because I’ve met some people, one lady in particular that makes me think of this. She said she dedicated her life to church 30 years and read her bible and all that yet she left the church and became an atheist. So if someone like her for example is at church and trying to live for God, how do they even know they are saved or have the spirit?
True Belief in Jesus Christ as having the power to save her, and her knowing she needs a savior. The gifts if the spirit the fruit of the spirit, believing in Jesus that you are a sinner and Jesus is that savior giving your life to him, decreasing denying yourself and putting him first confessing him and turning from your sins and repent he is faithful to forgive you as you are being sanctified on earth you are justified by the blood of the lamb and eventually will be glorified. Those things are predestined for those in him in Christ Jesus his saints. Not to be saints but for those who are saints already. Eph 1.1 It's not if she once had belief as some say, it's if she currently of sound mind believes and of course she is over the age of accountability. For those who never heard the word, God will judge accordingly as he has written his basic moral law in all of our hearts, and again only he knows their final salvation state and is the final judge not once saved always saved or Calvinist doctrine. I pray she will return to Christ like the prodigal son to his father. It would be rather arrogant like a Pharisee to say see there she never believed in the first place, really? Can you see her heart, she may just be in a backslidden state because of a lost one or doubting because of calvinism and other doctrines that has God choosing some babies for rape and hell before they are even born with no other options possible, and respecting others for forced urrestibke salvation again with no ability to say no. As James White still believes. Pray for her and others that have only temporarily i hope fallen away from the faith as Jesus said about those in the faith. To believers Jesus said this will happen, why are people saying it's impossible,? Are people in the faith not saved, if not then what faith are they falling away from a false faith, if so then why would Jesus mention it,? . God's grace is sufficient, yet he does not force salvation or damnation on anyone. Like Adam and Eve, it is our responsibility to accept or reject God, not his to do it for us and then force us not to rebell. That would be a robot master controlling beings without free will. Which is a weak view if God. No one should be claiming another was absolutely never saved, or could never be saved that what the devil does, and only Jesus knows, now we can say if they reject Christ after being warned where they are headed, based on what we have seen they have be damned unless they secretly to us changed before they died. What we should do is attempt to restore them with how we live our lives, prayer, fasting sharing the word and testimony to encourage restoration while still speaking against sin and unbelief. Obviously only Jesus can judge our salvation because he alone knows our heart until our dying breath.
Idk...Jesus himself sets up 2 groups here. John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. Clearly we know Judas was of those who would betray him. I think this shows that Judas did beleive in Jesus but betrayed that relationship as do many today. We must lump Judas into Matt 7:22 where Jesus says "i never knew you depart from me"...but interestingly Jesus did know Judas personally Judas knew and walked with Jesus. So how then are we to take the words of Jesus? I beleive they are hyperbole...when someone betrays a relationship, often times we consider that person as "dead" to us and some may even say or act like they never knew the betrayer. We even see that in the prodigal son. The father said his son was dead when he was gone. Again, it think careful study of this will show this to he true. Not to mention, Judas was of those who worked miracles by the power of Christ....and I think we see in acts 19 that unbelievers couldn't not work miracles in the name of Jesus...only those in relationship with Christ. In conclusion. Paul was saved and worked miracles by the power of Christ because he believed in Christ as the son of God...but sin hardened Judas heart (HEB 3-4, Rom 2) to a place where he betrayed Christ. Hope this helps someone see this from a different perspective.
For the record....I don't believe people can lose their salavtion like a set of keys, nor do I think Jesus loses anyone as his word clearly says. But the Bible shows us that sin causes the heart to become hardened and the result of a Hardened heart is unbelief (Rom 2,11 HEB 3,4,). In this way, those who have come to Christ in faith but then later continue in unrepentant sin are simply hardening their heart and eventually it will cause them to enter back into Unbelief, which is the place where someone is not saved. Secondly, there isn't a certain number of sins that causes one to lose their salavtion. If that was the case, then that would mean sin is greater than the blood of Jesus which is false as the blood of Jesus washes away sins for the beleiver. So the danger of sin is not that it causes you to lose your salvation where you have to get re-saved everytime you sin, but is the thing that Hardens the heart towards God. So the marker is not "how many sins until you can no longer be forgiven of them?" -- the marker is "at what point has your heart become so hardened again that you no longer beleive and therefore betray Christ?" Looking at Judas, it seems his sin of continued theft is the thing that hardened his heart towards God and caused him to enter into unbelief, the place where he would betray Christ and send him to the cross. Definitely open to dialogue!
@@jebbush5497 can you prove this with the text of scripture? Jesus never says that he never knew Judas salvificly. In fact, Matt 7:22 doesn't make a distinction between Christ knowing some for salavtion and some only personally. It just says "I never knew you" which of course cannot be true of Judas in the literal sense. In fact, even when looking at the example of those who came to Jesus in Matt 7, they are in the same boat as Judas. They worked miracles and cast out demons. Again, this cannot be done if someone does not have true faith in Christ and his name (acts 19)
@@jebbush5497 at the moment of faith in God for anyone who came before Christ, they were cleansed by the blood of Jesus as he is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This is why Jesus could forgive sins prior to his death, burial and resurrection.
Hey Cory (Corey?) I'm unsure if you'll see this, and perhaps you already mentioned this in one of your videos, but something came to mind about this topic regarding "losing salvation" while I was working. I lack the vocabulary to align what I'm trying to say, but to be prompt; Christ mentioned that those grafted onto the tree shouldn't be too egotistical about it since God (The Father) would be (if not more pleased(correct if im out of context) ) will be able to replace the grafted branch with another if not the original. Can you shed some light on this with my hopes that He will further our understanding of it.
Paul said that in Romans 11 and it means exactly what it says. We must maintain faith in the right place. Peter walking on the water illustrates this. When he started doubting, his miracle went away.
A counter argument using your own logical conclusion of your personal interpretation into scripture here, stating if we ever are called to Jesus, then we will never fall. But Judas was Jesus’ in many instances: 1. Judas once belonged to the Father and was given to Jesus. Jesus said this when he was speaking of the twelve apostles in John 17, “I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me;...” John 17:6 “Thine they were”, past tense, Judas was included in that. 2. Jesus called Judas one of “HIS” twelve disciples as we read; “And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples” Matthew 10:1 Notice first, that all twelves of the disciples were “HIS”. They all belonged to Jesus, and none of them belonged to the devil at this time. Matthew did not lie when he wrote this, Nor was Jesus ignorant of who were HIS apostles. They were all HIS, (Judas included). 3. Jesus gave all HIS twelve disciples power, Judas included, “he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Matthew 10:1 Here we see that all twelve of the apostles, (Judas included), were given power. And this power included casting out devils. This shows that Judas was not a devil at this time, for Satan cannot cast out Satan, as Jesus told us. And Judas had power to heal as well. 4. Judas was an apostle, “Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,...and Judas Iscariot, ...” Matthew 10:2-4 An apostle is a sent one of God and a high calling. This is a gift from God to believers. Notice that all TWELVE were called apostles including Judas, not just the other eleven. 5. Judas was sent forth and ordained, “These twelve Jesus sent forth,...” Matthew 10:5 “And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,” Mark 3:14 Jesus sent all twelve of them forth to preach, Judas included. Jesus also equipped all of them to preach, Judas included. He “ORDAINED” them also, Judas included. To be ordained means that he recognized all of them and approved of them, Judas included.
i am confused about something unrelated to the video topic, i just need some clarification 😭 ? Jesus says that "whosoever believes in me will not perish but have eternal life" but then later the bible says that "even demons believe" ? And that just believing all this its true doesn't mean anything without works ? So ? And many people have been given visions & dreams from God who were told they couldn't go to Heaven with unforgiveness in their hearts ? Im just a bit confused about Jesus saying that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life but then there are also stipulations ? Please help, i only want to learn, please be kind, thank you
Legalists love to leave plenty of room for theirselves to take credit for the part they are playing in keeping His salvation. They'll deny this with gut wrenching false humility, of course.
Saying Judas was an apostle is basically teaching that you can loose your Salvation. Saying judas was a saved is basically Saying you can loose your Salvation. Judas was not a true believer. Judas was called for a different purpose. He wasn't a believer. Judas was called to fulfill prophecy. Judas is known as the Son of perdition. Judas is known as unclean. Judas is known as a devil . Judas is a traitor, and was prophesied to be a traitor. Judas had a chance to believe, but he didn't believe. It is written. ◄ Psalm 41:9 the prophecy New International Version Even my close friend, someone I trusted, one who shared my bread, has turned against me. ◄ Matthew 26:23 ► the prophecy fulfilled New International Version Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. ◄ John 13:18 ► the prophecy fulfilled New International Version “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ ◄ John 13:10 ► New International Version Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, (though not every one of you.”) ◄ John 13:11 ► New International Version For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said (not every one was clean.) ◄ John 6:70 ► New International Version Then Jesus replied, (Have I not chosen you), the Twelve? YET ONE OF YOU IS A DEVIL!” ◄ Matthew 26:24 ► New International Version The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.( But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man!) It would be better for him if he had not been born.” Saying it would have been better if he had never been born , Is like saying he is not going to be in HEAVEN. Or how ever you want to put it. WHEN JUDAS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHARING THE GOSPEL, CASTING OUT DEMONS, AND HEALING THE SICK. HE WAS GETTING HIS HUSTLE ON.↙️ 14Then one of the Twelve-the one called Judas Iscariot-went to the chief priests 15and asked, “WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE ME IF I DELIVER HIM OVER TO YOU?” So they counted out for him thirty pieces of silver. 16From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over. Yes, I agree that Judas was a disciple of Christ, but so we're many . English Standard Version john 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) English Standard Version JOHN 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” English Standard Version JOHN 6:66 After this many of (HIS DISCIPLES) turned back and no longer walked with him. MANY OF HIS DISCIPLES FELL AWAY. A true believer is saved for all eternity. TRUE BELIEVERS DO NOT TURN BACK. N I V, THE FATHER'S HAND. 1 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S ’s HAND. KJ V THE SON'S HAND. 2 I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND
K J V THE HOLYSPIRIT'S TEMPLE 3 What? know ye not THAT YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY GHOST WHICH IS IN YOU, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
( TRIPLE SECURITY, ) ( TRIUNE SECURITY, ) ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. King James Bible For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. The true believer will truly believe. The one who stops believing never TRULY believed. ACTS 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? AND THEY SAID, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, King James Bible For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: King James Bible Not of works, lest any man should boast. The bible clearly talks about 1.(ENDURANCE ) King James Bible But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. The bible clearly talks about 2.(Continuing to believe) New Living Translation It is this Good News that saves you if you continue to believe the message I told you-unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place. The bible clearly talks about 3.(Perseverance) New International Version You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. CONTINUING TO BELIEVE ENDURANCE, AND PERSEVERANCE. How BY OUR STREGNTH OR BY GOD'S STREGNTH . IF IT IS BY OUR STREGNTH IT IS A WORKS DOCTRINE. IF BY GOD'S STREGNTH IT IS BECAUSE HE IS THE SAVIOR. Yes the TRUE believer will do these THINGS BUT NOT TO STAY SAVED BUT BECAUSE HE IS SAVED THE TRUE BELIEVER IS SECURE IN WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE FOR HIM, THOMAS ALSO GETS SENT OUT TO DO THE WORKS, BUT AFTER THE RESURRECTION HE CLEARLY STATED THAT HE DIDN'T BELIEVE. THOMAS DOUBTED EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING, The only DIFFERENCE IS THOMAS CAME TO THE FAITH, HE BELIEVED. English Standard Version john 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:12 CSB [12] While I was with them, I was protecting them by your name that you have given me. I guarded them and not one of them is lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture may be fulfilled You see here that judas was lost bc he wasnt a believer, and also he was an exception so the scripture must be fufilled because he was given over to christ for the purpose of betraying him not to be a sheep he was a wolf in sheeps clothing. Hebrews tells us were not those who draw back and are destroyed but those who have faith and are saved
Once damned always damned without a chance of salvation would have to be true if once saved always saved without a chance of hell is true. It would mean you cannot stop believing ince you believe and you cannot start believing if you don't believe.
Cant lose something you never had.Judas was indwelt with Satan's spirit.from the beginning,thats why he was picked from the foundation of the world to be the betrayer.
Lose is disingenuous, no one says you can lose something spiritual like keys or a phone. The correct question is can people in the faith fall away from the faith. Yes according to Jesus. Always in context, Jesus was specifically talking about the apostles not all saved christians as you are applying it to. Which means you are taking it out of context so there is no contradictions .
@ricksonora6656 I agree. However, Corey discussed Judas who was before Pentecost. That's the only reason I asked about the 70 disciples who initially followed Jesus as believers. Afterwards, they stopped.
Judas did not lose his salvation because Jesus hadn't gone on the cross yet and no one could be saved but being a disciple in the scripture is a synonym for being saved so Judas was a believer John 15 Jesus said to Judas you are already pure and the betrayal dont change things because Peter did it too but rather that there was no repentance .for Judas so we can't use the false doctrine that u canì use your salvation because of Judas' life
judas is the type for Jews (in hebrew it is spelled the same) the Jews/judas betrayed their Messiah. But Here is the thing... all christians are false believers unfortunately. They believe the wrong things.
Judas is a type of the Antichrist. Jesus called Judas the son of perdition in John 17:12, the only other time that phrase is used is in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Notice: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. In this, Judas characterizes the antichrist in that he will sit in the temple, which is the body of Christ, pretending to be Christ, while at the same time doing all in his power to work against Him. This idea is brought out in the next verse. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. The Greek prefix "anti" actually has two meanings. Most people think of "anti", as opposed to, or being against, although this is correct, it is not limited to this one meaning. It has another meaning, and that is to take the place of, or to be a substitute for, and "the antichrist" will embody both of these meanings. He will indeed oppose Christ, viciously, but in a most clever and effective way, he will also do so by taking the place of Christ, in the hearts of His people.
why does the say to repent ? Why does the bible talks about the falling away. The only issue I have with this view is it goes to far with pre destination, and to the point that makes everything seem robotic and can give false belief in a false salvation that never happened. We all choose who we follow or not too , or even choose to walk away.. it’s free will, and pre destination. Not to far ether way , I think is the right way to look at it as we are humans and don’t know who’s gonna make it in. We don’t know who God chose. As ppl fall away at all levels of the Christian path, even some with much fruit. And so fear God and obey him. As the bible reads and understand testing your salvation is important while your in the land of the living 🤔
I disagree Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases....Satan was after all of them especially Peter, 2 accounts of Peter being a candidate to be used by the enemy Lord rebuked him the 1st time. The 2nd time the Lord tells him Satan has desired to sift him as wheat but the Lord prayed for him that his Faith fail not, the scripture said that Satan entered his heart. Luke 22: 3 we see Satan entered into this man. We know he betrays Jesus we have read it, and heard it preached to us... I have scripture to prove that this could have been any of the 12.
In John 17 you still have a contradiction because it says Judas was given. So if a given person will not be cast out, that is a problem unless he got out on his own. The passage does not distinguish Judas from the given. It says not one of the given was lost except Judas. Therefore , someone given to Jesus was lost.
@@ricksonora6656 actually, I listened to the entire video. I listened to Corey talk around the fact that it says Judas was given. He had already pointed out that those who are given will come, and won't be cast out. I heard him give an explanation, however, the explanation did not erase the fact that he was given and everything that is supposedly guaranteed when you are given.
Judas was "called" to destruction through his actions. ( Ps. 41:9.) He was never chosen as a true candidate for salvation. He did not choose his damnation, but it appears that he was predestined to be damned. Peter was chosen for salvation. Judas was not given the same gift of grace/repentance as Peter even after his three time denial of Christ. If any deny/reject Christ today, they will be hellbound. We do not read of Jesus seeking Judas out like He did Peter. Election of some and not others for salvation is frightening. (and somewhat monstrous ). Judas never had a chance, although it looked like he did, because Jesus "called" him , but not unto ETERNAL salvation. Was Judas unnecessary collateral damage?
Yes he did choose his own actions out of the evil of his own heart and greed he like we all sin and deserve damnation, same with Adam eve you and I. .God did not make him betray Christ, yes he knew he would because he is all knowing, that's not the same as forcing sinners to sin. God did not make any of us sin or even tempt us to. That why we are guilty and not God. But we have an advocate who can and has given us it will forgive us, that's Jesus, and Judas also had that available to him whosoever all. His evil sins are sins no matter how big small or even one condemns the same. .apparently he refused to trust Jesus for forgiveness, although the text does not say that, it is the assumption must but not all scholars and theologians make and may be true But what is also true is God's amazing grace can or could even save Judas by grace through faith not of works so no one can boast, but God knows what he would do and did and would not force him either way.That way his judgement and reward is just.
I disagree with you. I believe that we can lose our salvation. I'll use myself as an example, I am a born again follower of Christ and My life is Christs to command! Now if I decide to live my life how I see fit, how will I not lose my salvation? I'm not pretending to be saved! I know some who have lived their life serving Christ, they have turned away and now live how they want, are you saying they still have their salvation? Regardless of salvation we can't just live our lives how we want to, we must follow Gods commands! You cannot say for sure that someone never had it and then lost it! Once saved always saved is an excuse for many to say they are saved and live how they want to live! Shalom.
If you decide to live your life as you see fit, it just means you were never for Christ to begin with. There is such a thing as self deception, where you think you are saved yet you are not.
Ah yes, but in Mark 6:7, it states that Jesus Himself "...gave them power over unclean spirits." It wasn't that Judas was able to cast out demons because he was saved, but simply because Jesus gave him the authority to do so. If he didn't, then the other disciple who went with Judas would have been suspicious and maybe this could have affected the timing and event of Judas' betrayal of our Lord, which had to happen at the right place at the right time for Jesus hour' and mission to be fulfilled in the Father's timing. That's my guess anyway.
Only Jesus can now that. Not you, not I. How can you take Jesus place and judge another salvation. Free will does not keave before you are saved calvinism ir after you are saved Once Saved Always Saved. Remember it says its his will, not command, talking about the apostles alone, not everyone, peter also betrayed him, both repented. But judas commited suicide which many take as he did not believe Jesus could forgive him, Jesus also said it would have been better he was never born. Thats why many believe he was never saved But the bible simply does not say he was never saved. Thats you . Like keep it 100. Let Jesus judge ines sakvation I see Christians today say oeople were never saved if they apostate and fall away from the faith. Thats wrong, again only Jesus knows that, not you or I.jesus even says many in the faith will fall away from the faith, and he is talking to believers. At no time does the bibke say that Judas was never saved, you are reading that into the passage to support your once saved always saved theology. Jesus did not lose one. The could have fell away from the faith on their own.
Jesus chose Judas to betray Him so that Jesus could save a few people (small is the path that leads to life) and then cast judas into eternal burning hell for his service. This is what alot of you believe?
You need to stop with the dogmatic statements as fact. And say you believe this or this because of this or that. Present your evidence and conclusion and allow other people the grace to come to other conclusions , if there is room to do so But you are stating things as fact when there is still much room for interpretation and debate. As this has been debated for thousands of years, you may see judas in heaven, he did, like Peter, repent did he not? Your problem is you are commited to once saved always saved and perhaps calvinist P in tulip doctrine so you are bending scripture to fit those as your guide instead of scripture alone. Now you may be right, but you also may be wrong. Only Jesus knows the soul at that level to say if someone has ever believed Unfortunately those manmade doctrines above for osas saying they were never saved if they fall away in any one that falls away from the faith and thats wrong because jesus says many will thats the bible saying those saved will fall away. Instead of saying they were never saved the bible instructs us to use scripture to rebuke reprove teach to restore them to the fold, not condemn them and judge them as never believing. Doing so can chase them further away and is jesus job not ours, it also leads to worldly lazy christians hyper grace and sin freely christians that paul warned about. License to sin. The true measure if someone was ever saved, is in if they ever truly believed in jesus as savior, and only Jesus can or does know that .we should not try to judge if judas was ever saved dogmatically we can speculate but we don't know. And should not pretend to. If he truly repented and believed we will see judas in heaven as with God all things are possible for Judas and the rich man, if not then we won't. Let Jesus alone make rhat judgement, we are not worthy .
At the end of life, God brought him back. But the nature of pre-cross salvation was very different from post-resurrection salvation, so be careful you aren’t making an apples-and-oranges comparison.
@ricksonora6656 lol God bought him back 🤣 yall ppl indoctrinated are sad I'll orat for you too He is the same yesterday today and forever smh study fast and 🙏🏾 pray brother
@ricksonora6656 using Judas is futile anyway for it is written he was used of Satan Solomon was righteous and went after other elohim/gods so yea nice try but I love the Living Word and I'm a student who diligently searches HIS Word!
Good scriptures but the letter of Hebrews is not written to the Church. In the letter of Hebrews salvation has not been given yet Heb 6:9. In the letter of Hebrews, Future Israel believers need to endure unto the end to be saved = Matthew 10:22/Matthew 24:13. The Church is saved Today = 2Corinthians 6:2 We need to rightly divide the word of truth to understand = 2Timothy 2:15 King James bible.
@ricksonora You can not prove that this message is wrong. The writer of Hebrews is addressing the Hebrews not the church. Examples--- (Heb 3:6 cross reference with 2Cor 5:1) (Heb 3:14 cross reference with Col 1:12) (Heb 6:4-6 cross reference with Gal 6:1) (Heb 6:4-6 cross reference with Eph 4:30) (Heb 6:6 cross reference with 2Cor 4:16) *In Heb 6:9 the word (accompany) in Greek is echo which means (to have, tener, sostner) salvation. The Hebrews do not have salvation in this letter. Future Hebrew believers will receive salvation at the second coming of Christ. Heb 9:28/Rom 11:26-27/Eze 36:25-38 *Rom 11:27 (My covenant with them)Future Israel only, when I will take away their(Israel's) sins, cross reference with Heb 8:7-12/Jer 31:31-37 *The First Covenant is near to vanishing away = Heb 8:13, meaning the New Covenant has not started yet. *Nowhere in the bible does it say that the church is part of the (new covenant). It's only man's opinion. *We are servants of the new covenant 2Cor 3:6 *We benefit from the blood that was shed for the new covenant 1Cor 11:25 *in HEB 4:1 the promise of the rest was made to Israel not the church. Look at Deu 12:1-10, Israel did not obey God's covenant. Another example is in Deu 20:16-18 Israel did not destroy all the people named in v.17) (God made a new covenant with Israel because they broke His covenant in Jer 31:31-34) (David also has spoken of another day of rest for Israel in Heb 4:7-8/Psa 95:7-11 *Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest(land, kingdom, Millennial kingdom) for the people(Israel) of God. King James bible: *In HEB 4:1 we (the church) don't need to fear to enter His rest. In HEB 4:11 we don't need to labor to enter His rest. Our citizenship is in heaven--- Phi 3:20/2Cor 5:8
@ricksonora The New Covenant has not starting yet. 👉In Jer 31:34, God will not remember Israel sins but He remembers the Churches sins = 1Jhn 1:9/Rom 6:23/1Jhn 5:16,17 👉Israel will keep His judgments and do them = Eze 36:27 but the Church can not, Look at what Jesus says to the Church of Sardis in Rev 3:1 (...I know your works...), then He says =(...but you are dead...), meaning no works/ 1Cor 3:1-4/Gal 1:6 👉Israel will enter the land =Eze 36:28 but the Church has not entered. 👉In Eze 36:25-38, the Gentile believers are not mentioned of receiving a new heart in it's context, it's only talking about Israel, look at Eze 36:36, the Gentile believers are mentioned.
Perdition just means rejected. Nobody’s in the lake of fire, yet. That doesn’t happen until the White Throne Judgment. Judas is in hell, awaiting his sentencing.
If Jesus Called Judas a Devil that obviously accounts for something and let's You know he never Truly Believed.
Yep
That's different from saying he would never believe. Even Satan the morning star once believed one third of the angels demons.
But somehow Judas alone has the impossible to believe ever gene and infinity stones in him, but no other creation in the universe? .
I'm calling that nonsense.
Not saying he believed, but the idea that wee know for sure his salvation state to his last breath enough to judge his salvation his entire life.
Something only Jesus can do, and should do, is preposterous.
Is out of our league and pay grade.
Just to push man made doctrines like calvinism and once saved always saved.
Instead we need to look at and work at our own salvation state now, not whether Judas 2000 years ago had the same ability to believe we had, or that the blood on the cross shed also was there to redeem Judas everyone whosoever if the truly believe God bless. Let's give All people grace and let God decide and judge their final moments and salvation in life. What do we need Jesus for if we are already judging people to hell and we cannot even see their heart or no their last breath as Jesus can?
Take care, be careful people because as we judge others we will be judged, God forbid buy you or a live one may one day doubt God become an atheist for whatever reason and deny the father and son and not forgive others.
.we know what Jesus said about that
Many Christians will judge you or your friend like you just judge Judas and say he could not ever had been saved and is headed to hell.. when we are needed most to restore them to the faith they have taken for. Do you at least understand my point and concern.
.you may be right about Judas, but you don't know that so don't state it as fact.
.is not the blood of Jesus enough to save even Judas if he truly repented and believed before his last breath, or is it not?
.. how you answer that data a lot
He called Peter the devil also…what do you do with that?
CARLTON PEARSON STATED THAT THERE'S NO HELL. JESUS STATED THAT THERE IS A HELL. SOMEBODY'S LYING. SINCE GOD CANNOT LIE, WELL, THAT KINDA NARROWS IT DOWN, DOESN'T IT?
Great analysis and exegesis on Judas. The "deliverance" teachers like to use Judas as someone who was "saved" but became demonized. We know Judas was entered into by satan himself in Scripture (John 13:27), but I would argue that the reason why satan could enter Judas is because he was not saved, and his heart was in line with satan's desires.
Did Saul have the spirit of God, and was it taken away from him?
Corey you contradict yourself saying the spirit is never taken away .
Adam and Eve, Satan and the fallen angels?
Others?
If we believe Corey and once saved doctrine not lose your keys or smartphone lose is an involuntary unknown action.
But instead Corey should say, fall away from the faith, commit apostasy thats what we are talking about m, which Jesus says will happen and is a miral conscious free will decision to serve another instead of God, after you had a one time served God .
If you had free will ability to accept or reject Jesus, do you lose the ability to accept him if you once rejected him?
.and likewise do you lose your ability to reject him once you accept him.
.and why would one be different than the other.
Then is your faith and belief real, if you cannot change it or have any control of it.
Salvation should be based on current belief not fomer belief.
.that's why we are being satisfied and convicted if sin even after salvation and still repent some daily and confess our sins and he is faithful to forgive us believers.
If it's already settled then we don't have to believe anymore it's automatic and there is no reason to repent or be sanctified grow or show fruit and we cannot say no to salvation ever again.
The worst part of osas and tulip doctrine is it pretty much forces you to judge someone that has truly fallen away from the faith as never being saved.
.something only the Lord Jesus could possibly know or judged and that out us in a situation like a scribe or Pharisee saying than you God im not like them, based on their outside, im guaranteed heaven im elect or osas and cannot be lost ever, more self righteous than humble so be careful if you ever say well they must not have ever been saved, that a huge statement if someone you don't know salvation, who may have been may be or may be in the future.
But if they here you say that, it will be even more difficult to restore them.
.that's calvinism lite
It should if you truly believe you are saved, and there will be good fruit good works gifts if the spirit, that's the holy spirit, he will convict you if sun and Gid will chastise you when you start to far, these are not to save you but are there because you are already saved.
I Accept the Free Gift of Salvation!!! ❤ FEAR the LambOfGod who takes away the Sins of the World 🌎 Be Blessed by the HolySpirit of TRUTH!!! 🕊 Thank you Father in Heaven!!! Amen!!!
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😊 The One and Only.....God bless.
My former pastor asked this same question about Judas' salvation. He said because Judas threw back the 30 pieces of silver, that was his way of repenting and he was saved. What a ridiculous analogy. Most in the class said no Judas was not saved. Thank you Bro Corey for clarifying this.
Judas throwing down the coins as he feels the fire of his evil betrayal and running off to suicide himself, isn't repenting at all whatsoever.
He did not just throw the 30 pieces of silver he repented and apparently committed suicide as well.
Only Jesus can judge if he was ever saved or not, not you or I.
As jesus said about the rich man, with God, all things are possible , even salvation for Judas.
Lets let Jesus not us, after all its his sacrifice that makes salvation possible for all, not our manmade doctrines that came much later.
.some true some not, most well meaning.
@@Zigzagzolaronly jesus knows his soul, i pray he truly repented 😊❤and we see him in heaven if he did.
As with Peter.
But God allows each man to make that choice he does not force it or he would be a respecter of persons favoring certain ones in regards to salvation over others.
.talk about amazing grace.
@@Tigerex966 Judas suicided. Judas didn't believe in forgiveness, being forgiven, repenting. He felt regret and despair. As will those who go to hell. Judas didn't return to Jesus. He didn't love Jesus. Peter returned to Jesus. And affirmed with his heart and mouth that he loved Jesus. And Jesus forgave him. Big difference between Judas and Peter.
@@Zigzagzolar only Jesus knows if that's true or not at his last breath, not you or I . You are presuming and reading that into the text, and it may be true, but the text does not say that .
Let's let Jesus judge if someone or Judas ever believed or not, not once saved always saved or Calvinist doctrines... As with God all things are possible.
People in the faith will fall away from the faith and we should seek to restore them, not condemn them to hell or say they never believed in the first place, to support a manmade doctrine, by reading our biases and manmade doctrines into the text.
.again you may be right and should say I believe this based on this and that
.but don't be dogmatic stating it as fact when the text does not say what you just said as a fact.
Amen brother C!! OSAS, if you were truly saved when you got saved! The end, period! A lot of "pastor's" are helping people go to hell with the prayer of salvation. They say a prayer with them and leave it at that and tell them they are going to heaven. No talk of repentance, no talk of changing they way they live going forward, no talk of making Jesus the Lord of their life. It's one of the great deceptions in our world.
Agree totally.. many call OSAS a doctrine of demons. Very worrying indeed.
and you think you're doing all these things? You want to know what the great deception of this world is? Eternal hell. All Christians believe this nonsense. God is the Savior of all men, especially those that believe.
The thief on the cross was saved when he believed, when he trusted in the crucified Christ, he was saved by grace through faith alone in Christ alone, not by obedience to the Law. God bless.
The more I listen to you talk about this subject, the more and more I'm convinced that losing your salvation is heresy.
The Holy Spirit does not depart from those He indwells...ever.
We have to walk away from God and forsake our faith, He won’t walk away or forsake us.
Corey's problem is saying lose your salvation, it should be correctly stated as apostasy or falling away from the faith you are in as Jesus himself says many will do.
Saying lose is a smokescreen of an involuntary action
Fall away walk away or actual free will decisions that Adam even you and I can make.
Its stated wrongly like losing keys or phone by accident.
It should say can someone in the faith can fall away from the faith as Jesus says many will.
In other words belief is responsible for salvation, God does not force you to believe or to keep believing.
And will allow many to fall away from the faith, our job is to use scripture orayer and example to restore them to the faith not go around saying since you dont believe now, you never believed before or vice versa.
It falls away from the faith you are in a conscience decision, not lose your salvation involuntarily like a set of keys.
Heb 6 is very clear for me that you can (receives many blessings and still departs). In the end it will be condemned.
Also Rom 8, if we live our lives obeying the old nature we will die, but if through the Spirit we put to death the deeds of the body we will live. This is exactly like Jesus' words, too. "If you hold onto living your own life, you will die, but if you give up your life for my sake, you will keep it eternally."
@@danielbu2611 true, people are trying to support manmade doctrines of tulip and once saved always saved as taught by many recent pastors and theologians tv millionaire preachers that have a vested interest in colleges books speaking DVDs colleges schools to keep these man made theories going even denying someone in the faith can fall and will fall away from the faith as Jesus preaches .. they should try to restore those that fall away instead of claiming they were never saved, just to support those ingrained doctrines of men.
But when that is the only view taught in most churches and seminaries and you are looked at crazy for even questioning it.
Many just accept those doctrines over the words of Jesus or say no Jesus was not talking about believers falling away from the faith meaning belief.
But just being worldly or backsliding, still saved.
Basically they have created calvinism light.
.instead of God not allowing you or I to have libertarian free will to accept it reject him because of election that's respecting if persons before we are born for automatic salvation and belief or being passed over like most for automatic hell, with no ability for humans in either said to change that, these osas doctrine allow you to choose to reject or accept in your life if you reject you can later change to accept, however if you accept you are locked in then somehow God prevents you from saying no i don't believe anymore or want this salvation .
Is God afraid of your ability to say no, but not yes.?
This is similar to calvinism irresistible grace or forced salvation where mankind can have faith in every religion that's false atheism bad things Allah Hindu etc. a million things
But the one thing we cannot believe in is the one true thing Jesus Christ unless we were predetermined before time by divine decree.
That would mean election saves, not Jesus Christ except as a secondary firegine conclusion.
.the power goes to election, not Jesus and the blood in the cross.
In fact, Jesus cannot save anyone, they must be elected only then is he allowed to save them, and he can not give them their just judgement to hell, again unless they were predetermined to be passed over like most people for certain hell, even Satan is not needed anymore, why should he, as they are already guaranteed he'll and cannot believe under double predestination in calvinism.
In once saved always saved, the devil does not have to waste his time at all with those predestined to hell, since they cannot be saved and none of his efforts in believers can be either since they cannot be lost.
.this makes all the passages about spreading the gospel fleeing sin all whosoever the world continue to the end being sanctified not falling away meaningless.
.if there is no chance what do ever you can ever be saved or once saved ever lost... There would be no struggle in high ages for your soul if everything is already locked in.
As It Is Written! Amen Brother!
MANY PEOPLE CAN HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS BUT NOT UNTO SALVATION. THEY'RE NOT ATHEISTS. JUDAS WASN'T AN ATHEIST. HE CHOSE TO BETRAY JESUS. JESUS KNEW JUDAS WOULD EVENTUALLY BETRAY HIM. JUDAS CHOSE HIS OWN DAMNATION.
He was not an Elect from the outset and never predestined to participate in the salvation process.
“And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”
Matthew 7:23 ESV
Notice the key word Jesus uses here, he says I NEVER knew you. He doesn’t say “I don’t know you anymore,” he says I NEVER knew you.
It couldn’t get any clearer than this, you CANNOT lose your salvation.
Those who say that you can lose your
salvation completely miss this.
I don't miss this, but I think it's clearly hyperbolic. Just like the father of the prodigal son said his son was "dead." The son wasn't actually dead, but because the relationship has been betrayed it was as if he was dead. In the same way, if someone betrays you, oftentimes you will treat them as if you never knew them.
John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
Notice here Jesus says there are those who beleive not AND those who betray. They aren't one in the same. You can't betray what you never had to begin with.
Now put Judas into Matt 7:21 and clearly, Jesus knew Judas and Judas new Christ as he was a recipient of Christ power and authority...so ti can't be a literal "I never knew you"
Also, look at the audience..
The HOLY SPIRIT IN ACTS 2
was the answer of JOEL 2
Pentecost was also Shavuot
@@BEABEREAN10 i agree matt 25:12 "But he replied, 'Truly I tell you, I don't know you".
Let us not forget that knowing is not only about head knowledge, but intimacy or experience. We are told Adam knew Eve.
@@lebo3793 Excellent example. I think even this shows that it's hyperbole because clearly in order to get an invite that you accept you must be known by the bridegroom. But because of their lack of continued faith, the relationship was severed...thus "I never knew you/I do not know you" and tie that to the truth where Jesus spoke of those who would betray him.
@@BEABEREAN10What does it mean when Jesus says, “I never knew you.”? I take the point that there could be some figure of speech being used here. It doesn’t however negate the point- Jesus does not say, “I have forgotten you.” Instead he claims to not know the person- so whatever it means, that person is a stranger.
This biblical truth remains my comfort and hope during times of weak faith and/or when I am convicted that I have failed Jesus:
Heb. 7:24-25
But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
If we didn't gain our own salvation then how can we keep it? It saddens me how little and limited power many professing believers credit to Christ and His redemption. Just how does one become unsaved, unforgiven, unregenerated, unadopted, unindwelled and unsealed by Christ? It's our human pride that wants desperately to believe we'll be able to boast in having the ability more than others to make it to the end. Yet scripture is so clear that salvation is an unearned gift and that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith so that NO ONE who was given to Him by the Father can boast in anyone except Him (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Jesus gave up His heavenly glory, condescended to take human form, lived under the Law perfectly as a man of sorrows, and died a TORTUOUS unjust death on behalf of those who don't deserve His sacrifice FOR NOTHING if we can then undo everything He's done to justify us before the Father. Even on a common sense level this makes no sense. If we are rejected by Christ at His judgement then the only explanation is that we were self-deceived because He NEVER knew us (Matthew 7:23; Luke 13:27; Matthew 25:1).
It's never because He lost us.
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You know it's bad when jesus never had anything good to say about judas
Great breakdown. Thank you
You can’t lose something you never had 🤦🏽♂️
Amen
Amen.
Wrong. Jesus approved him and later said, You Will BETRAY Me. How can a person Betray their master without being owned by him first?
@@BobBuckethead-ol5cw show us in scripture where that happened
Show me where you think it did not happen. Judas was condemned by committing the greatest sin of all time
The wicked like Judas lost salvation because they were never saved to begin with
Smart Christian, I feel your pain and frustration explaining eternal salvation. some just don't have eyes to see are ears to hear the truth
The pain I have is that you dont believe that everyone will be saved eventually 1tim4:10, 1cor15:22, romans5:18 and many more scriptures like these. Some indeed dont have eyes to see and ears to hear the truth
One can lose salvation, baptism of water and of the spirit name of Jesus Christ and endure until the end.
Great video presentation Bro. Corey. God bless you and family.
"yet one of you is a devil" Jesus is recounting of who he was listening as the apostles, Judas was never known period to have been a sanctified believer.
But, I love the way 1 John 2:19 what's it, if you fell away from us, you were never with this in the first place - then you have jesus's strongest admonition against those who would betray the gospel, or the son of man... "it would have been better for that person to have never been born"
Judas was the Son of Perdition.... Clearly not saved.
I disagree Luke 9:1 you know who the Son of Perdition is because you had the privilege to read about who betrayed Jesus but I can prove that Satan was after them all and was allowed to enter into the heart of Judas.
@@darianhowery6377 What about John 12:6 and John 6:70 when he referred to Judas as a devil. He couldn’t have been saved if Jesus called him a devil. The devil cannot enter the saved.
@aPeachWhoLovesYeshua St John14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. The Lord even speaks to this point, this how you know the Devil was after all them, including the Lord.
@@darianhowery6377 John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, *but the son of perdition* that the scripture might be fulfilled.
No, Judas was not saved. He had a purpose to fulfill. ...
@@darianhowery6377 Flip to Romans 9 and read the chapter. He is the Potter and we are the clay. Some fitted for life and some fitted for destruction. ALL for His purposes and glory.
no one was born again until the resurrection when the promise became reality.
Excellent response, Corey. I think John 13 seals the deal for me on the state of Judas' soul, showing that he was never cleansed or saved to begin with.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. The treasure of his heart wasn’t salvation. With the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10
Atleast as an apostle of Jesus Christ Judas was called to be great man and saved but he forfeit his calling and Salvation by betraying Jesus. Jesus said one of you will betray me to apostles so in order to betray someone you have to be brother , friend aly etc . All things in this world works according to choices made by us even tough God knows the end but man have to make his move that his sin has to be consumed so even Jesus knew that Judas will betray him but that does not mean that Jesus pretented to be his friend or picked him as apostle to entrap Judas to unforgivable sin . Jesus offered Judas way to Salvation, Greatness and life everlasting but all of that was rejected. Devil was also angel once that means holy and saved but he choose disobedience to God and path of the rebel.
Amen!
We all have a choice.
It’s not God who leaves but the one who leaves Him.
You can refuse accept or give back a gift.
Except Corey, once saved always saved, and irresistible grace doctrines, say you cant fall away from the faith. The faith you are in.
Jesus says you can..
I will stick with Jesus
Hey Corey, can you do a breakdown on how Jeremiah 32 applies to not only the Jews at that time but to all believers today? I’m struggling to figure out the connection. Thanks
The more I study Romans and Ephesians the more it seems very obvious God isn't interested in saving everyone and there are only specific individuals that God foreknew before the foundation of the world. These will absolutely be saved or else Jesus and the Father's mission to rescue His people from sin is at some level a failure. If Jesus fails to save 1, it would suggest He isn't perfect in His ability to save. The more you understand this, the easier it becomes to interpret the New Testament. Take for example Jesus parable of the Wheat and the Tares. The farm hand is clearly surprised that there are tares among the wheat. The wheat represents God's people and the Tares represent Satan's seed. The tares where never going to turn into wheat. But the Tares were allowed to grow up and co-exist with the wheat until the end.
Romans 9 is probably the clearest reference to salvation by Election. No matter how you spin it, you can't make it say something other than what it clearly says. You just can't. All are called, but few are chosen is easily reconsciled by the fact that we as Christians are to preach the gospel to all people, thus all are called to receive salvation, but unless God intervenes and enables a spiritually dead person to respond to the call they will always reject it.
I thought for my entire Christian life a Christian could lose their salvation until I studied the book of Romans verse by verse. The Scriptures actually don't even suggest it's our faith that saves us, but the Faith OF Christ. Plus, if it was our faith, contrary to what Paul says about not boasting, we would have something to boast about. It would be OUR faith in Jesus that saved us. OUR faith means we had something to do with salvation and that is clearly not scriptural. Our faith pleases God, but it doesn't save us.
Dang how can someone even say Judas was saved at any point?!?
Look up The Truth Cartel. They push this garbage of loss of salvation.
Believe it or not, I've heard people say that Judas was saved
A problem with Pentecostal and/or some "traditional black churches"
@@DontBeAlarmedItsJustMethat's sad because Jesus hadn't died for our sins yet so there's no way he could've been saved whatsoever
@@DontBeAlarmedItsJustMe no I'm not you shouldn't assume about people because most times you'd be wrong I'm a Christian
HE NEVER HAD IT
Why does this matter, live right be holy! I’m not going to live any way in hopes I don’t lose my salvation HE said “if you love me keep my commandments”
”Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.“
Isaiah 59:1-2 KJV
Stop and pray b.c u are clearly lost.. u must not know what His commandments were .. ur comment was pointless b.c u don't live Holy and are only made Holy through The Spirit of Christ by repenting and believing. God Bless
Read Acts chapter 1. Judas had part in the ministry as an apostle but he didn't endure until the end. He turned away.
It's funny because I was just thinking about this a day or two ago, seemingly randomly. I don't remember what brought it to my mind, but I was thinking that Judas would have had to betray The Lord in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled. Therefore he could not be converted. But was it his fault? 🤔
Interesting question. Takes the doctrine of election and predestination into it. I often wonder myself if it is really the fault of the person who was never chosen before the foundation of the world for salvation. If that's the case, then many, many souls were doomed before they were ever born. RC Sproul has some great teaching on those doctrines here on YT. Well worth listening to.
Me too because I just did a Bible study on it
Can you please pray that God takes away my autism I absolutely hate it it has been nothing but a curse in a drawback and has robbed me of so many things that I never could get to experience
And please don't say it's a gift for something I've heard that all before people try to find meaning for every kind of physical impairment for some people it can be a blessing
but for me it's a curse I need this to be removed from my life so I can live a normal life and start over and make sure I don't have to rely on anyone
I often fantasize what my life would have been like if I was never born with autism makes me wonder what I lost
It can't be quite depressing
You are perfectly and wonderfully made in the image of God. My daughter is blind and she is sooo perfect. I wouldn't change her even if I could.
Pray for the strength to endure it.
@@DontBeAlarmedItsJustMeyoure not helping...
You don't need to rely on anyone but Jesus Christ, I pray you find contentment in him 🙏
@@christaylor7916 can you do something to help?
In order to be saved you must first receive the Holy Spirit and be born again, Judas took his own life before Jesus gave up the spirit by dieing on the cross so he was unable to receive God's grace or salvation.
Thank you I was looking for this comment Jesus had not yet been crucified for Judas to be saved good to know somebody reading the scriptures 🙏🏾
Salvation only became obtainable when Jesus Christ died, and rose from the dead, that, is the Advent of our Salvation and the activation of Grace.
WE NEED TO STOP TRYING TO SHOVE PEOPLE INTO HEAVEN WHEN THEY HAVE SHUNNED GOD AND DISHONORED JESUS THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. HEAVEN IS A PREPARED PLACE FOR PREPARED PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVEN'T PREPARED YOURSELF FOR HEAVEN WHILE YOU'RE LIVING, THEN DON'T EXPECT TO GO THERE WHEN YOU DIE. ONCE WE BREATHE OUR LAST BREATH, OUR DESTINATION HAS BEEN SET. A NICE EULOGY HAS NEVER PUT NO ONE IN HEAVEN.
Typing in all caps is bad etiquette.
Just 3mins in (will listen to the whole thing) but I love this interesting concept.
2. Things though, while Jesus did call Judas a devil, he also rebuked Peter saying get behind me Satan. (Just from the first 3mins) I don’t think we can automatically assume that Judas wasn’t saved despite his betrayal.
The other thing is there is a scripture that suggests that Jesus preached to & freed the captives of hell that believed whom Judas could’ve been among & freed through repentance of his betrayal
Jesus said those in the faith will fall away from the faith and he said this to believers.
He never said all in the faith will stay in the faith, he said the opposite.
He also said the devil was inquirung about Peter
.you cannot lise what you dint have
You cannot fall away from the faith if you are not un the faith.
I
He was never saved .
He who is not for me is against me
I agree but have a question. Isnt Jeremiah talking about the saved Jewish people in the verses you quoted?
You hinted at the end a great point which is TIMELINE. There was NOT yet salvation through the gospel of Jesus Christ because He hadn’t been crucified, buried and resurrected yet. This truth also refutes the contention that believers can be demon possessed because Judas was possessed. Please comment on this because CONTEXT of timeline is overlooked as a definitive resolution to Christian debate.
Holy spirit was not in no one yet until Jesus went back to heaven holy spirit flew to everyone
I reject OSAS but agree with this. Jesus forgave sins accordingly as he was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. But technically, even Paul recognizes salvation after Christ resurrection as an already but not yet
1 Corinthians 15:1-5 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain.
Is this not representation of losing Salvation? To have your part taken out, would you have to have a part in? Rev 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Hints the removal of the Candlestick.
Great explanation.. One question though? Why are you wearing a sweater in June?🥵
Why did Jesus allow Judas to follow Him? Why would He allow him to even get near Him? So that He could fulfill dying for us?
Followers of Christ may not even believe in Him. This where false encounters may arise. You can be a follower of Christ and yet not be disciple. John 17:3
Please answer these two questions. The Bible does not say that any of the Apostles were saved. We just see the acts of salvation. Believing on Jesus and following Him. What is salvation? Is salvation believing that Jesus is the Son of God?
Thank you in advance for the charity.
Did Saul have the spirit of God, and was it taken away from him?
Corey you contradict yourself saying the spirit is never taken away .
Judas made his own choices, and they were the source of his own damnation. Yet the choices fit perfectly into the sovereign plan of God. God controls not only the good, but also the evil of man to accomplish His own ends. Here we see Jesus condemning Judas, but considering that Judas travelled with Jesus for nearly three years, we know He also gave Judas ample opportunity for salvation and repentance. Even after his dreadful deed, Judas could have fallen on his knees to beg God’s forgiveness. But he did not. He may have felt some remorse born of fear, which caused him to return the money to the Pharisees, but he never repented, preferring instead to commit suicide.
Matthew 27:5-8
So my question is did Judas wanted to be saved? Did he have some type of desire for it? And if so did God deny him wanting salvation?
In John 15:1-6 Judas was not part of the meeting. He left the Last Supoer in John 13.
So it seems that the warnings in John 15:1-6 were issued to the 11 apostles who were true believers and truly saved.
Why didn't Jesus say these things when Judas was with them?
Let's add the historical dimension.
Whenever Paul took it upon himself to write epistles, he stated his audience within the first 5 verses of the first chapter- to the saints. Paul never wrote to unbelievers. This means that the warnings in the epistles were intended for true believers.
How would someone know they have the spirit of God in them? I asked because I’ve met some people, one lady in particular that makes me think of this. She said she dedicated her life to church 30 years and read her bible and all that yet she left the church and became an atheist. So if someone like her for example is at church and trying to live for God, how do they even know they are saved or have the spirit?
True Belief in Jesus Christ as having the power to save her, and her knowing she needs a savior.
The gifts if the spirit the fruit of the spirit, believing in Jesus that you are a sinner and Jesus is that savior giving your life to him, decreasing denying yourself and putting him first confessing him and turning from your sins and repent he is faithful to forgive you as you are being sanctified on earth you are justified by the blood of the lamb and eventually will be glorified.
Those things are predestined for those in him in Christ Jesus his saints.
Not to be saints but for those who are saints already. Eph 1.1
It's not if she once had belief as some say, it's if she currently of sound mind believes and of course she is over the age of accountability.
For those who never heard the word, God will judge accordingly as he has written his basic moral law in all of our hearts, and again only he knows their final salvation state and is the final judge not once saved always saved or Calvinist doctrine.
I pray she will return to Christ like the prodigal son to his father.
It would be rather arrogant like a Pharisee to say see there she never believed in the first place, really?
Can you see her heart, she may just be in a backslidden state because of a lost one or doubting because of calvinism and other doctrines that has God choosing some babies for rape and hell before they are even born with no other options possible, and respecting others for forced urrestibke salvation again with no ability to say no.
As James White still believes.
Pray for her and others that have only temporarily i hope fallen away from the faith as Jesus said about those in the faith. To believers
Jesus said this will happen, why are people saying it's impossible,?
Are people in the faith not saved, if not then what faith are they falling away from a false faith, if so then why would Jesus mention it,?
. God's grace is sufficient, yet he does not force salvation or damnation on anyone.
Like Adam and Eve, it is our responsibility to accept or reject God, not his to do it for us and then force us not to rebell.
That would be a robot master controlling beings without free will.
Which is a weak view if God.
No one should be claiming another was absolutely never saved, or could never be saved that what the devil does, and only Jesus knows, now we can say if they reject Christ after being warned where they are headed, based on what we have seen they have be damned unless they secretly to us changed before they died.
What we should do is attempt to restore them with how we live our lives, prayer, fasting sharing the word and testimony to encourage restoration while still speaking against sin and unbelief.
Obviously only Jesus can judge our salvation because he alone knows our heart until our dying breath.
An old pastor of mine once told me that Judas didn’t have to do what he did he could have changed his mind??
The question is,did he ever have the Holy Spirit in him at all?
Idk...Jesus himself sets up 2 groups here. John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
Clearly we know Judas was of those who would betray him. I think this shows that Judas did beleive in Jesus but betrayed that relationship as do many today.
We must lump Judas into Matt 7:22 where Jesus says "i never knew you depart from me"...but interestingly Jesus did know Judas personally Judas knew and walked with Jesus. So how then are we to take the words of Jesus? I beleive they are hyperbole...when someone betrays a relationship, often times we consider that person as "dead" to us and some may even say or act like they never knew the betrayer. We even see that in the prodigal son. The father said his son was dead when he was gone.
Again, it think careful study of this will show this to he true. Not to mention, Judas was of those who worked miracles by the power of Christ....and I think we see in acts 19 that unbelievers couldn't not work miracles in the name of Jesus...only those in relationship with Christ.
In conclusion. Paul was saved and worked miracles by the power of Christ because he believed in Christ as the son of God...but sin hardened Judas heart (HEB 3-4, Rom 2) to a place where he betrayed Christ.
Hope this helps someone see this from a different perspective.
No. Judas was known personally but not salvifically. Jesus never knew him. He was chosen but not for salvation. He was never cleansed. That settles it
For the record....I don't believe people can lose their salavtion like a set of keys, nor do I think Jesus loses anyone as his word clearly says. But the Bible shows us that sin causes the heart to become hardened and the result of a Hardened heart is unbelief (Rom 2,11 HEB 3,4,). In this way, those who have come to Christ in faith but then later continue in unrepentant sin are simply hardening their heart and eventually it will cause them to enter back into Unbelief, which is the place where someone is not saved.
Secondly, there isn't a certain number of sins that causes one to lose their salavtion. If that was the case, then that would mean sin is greater than the blood of Jesus which is false as the blood of Jesus washes away sins for the beleiver. So the danger of sin is not that it causes you to lose your salvation where you have to get re-saved everytime you sin, but is the thing that Hardens the heart towards God. So the marker is not "how many sins until you can no longer be forgiven of them?" -- the marker is "at what point has your heart become so hardened again that you no longer beleive and therefore betray Christ?"
Looking at Judas, it seems his sin of continued theft is the thing that hardened his heart towards God and caused him to enter into unbelief, the place where he would betray Christ and send him to the cross.
Definitely open to dialogue!
@@BEABEREAN10 was Judas ever cleansed? No
@@jebbush5497 can you prove this with the text of scripture? Jesus never says that he never knew Judas salvificly. In fact, Matt 7:22 doesn't make a distinction between Christ knowing some for salavtion and some only personally. It just says "I never knew you" which of course cannot be true of Judas in the literal sense. In fact, even when looking at the example of those who came to Jesus in Matt 7, they are in the same boat as Judas. They worked miracles and cast out demons. Again, this cannot be done if someone does not have true faith in Christ and his name (acts 19)
@@jebbush5497 at the moment of faith in God for anyone who came before Christ, they were cleansed by the blood of Jesus as he is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This is why Jesus could forgive sins prior to his death, burial and resurrection.
Hey Cory (Corey?) I'm unsure if you'll see this, and perhaps you already mentioned this in one of your videos, but something came to mind about this topic regarding "losing salvation" while I was working. I lack the vocabulary to align what I'm trying to say, but to be prompt; Christ mentioned that those grafted onto the tree shouldn't be too egotistical about it since God (The Father) would be (if not more pleased(correct if im out of context) ) will be able to replace the grafted branch with another if not the original. Can you shed some light on this with my hopes that He will further our understanding of it.
Paul said that in Romans 11 and it means exactly what it says. We must maintain faith in the right place.
Peter walking on the water illustrates this. When he started doubting, his miracle went away.
A counter argument using your own logical conclusion of your personal interpretation into scripture here, stating if we ever are called to Jesus, then we will never fall. But Judas was Jesus’ in many instances:
1. Judas once belonged to the Father and was given to Jesus. Jesus said this when he was speaking of the twelve apostles in John 17,
“I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me;...” John 17:6
“Thine they were”, past tense, Judas was included in that.
2. Jesus called Judas one of “HIS” twelve disciples as we read;
“And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples”
Matthew 10:1
Notice first, that all twelves of the disciples were “HIS”. They all belonged to Jesus, and none of them belonged to the devil at this time. Matthew did not lie when he wrote this, Nor was Jesus ignorant of who were HIS apostles. They were all HIS, (Judas included).
3. Jesus gave all HIS twelve disciples power, Judas included,
“he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Matthew 10:1
Here we see that all twelve of the apostles, (Judas included), were given power. And this power included casting out devils. This shows that Judas was not a devil at this time, for Satan cannot cast out Satan, as Jesus told us. And Judas had power to heal as well.
4. Judas was an apostle,
“Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,...and Judas Iscariot, ...” Matthew 10:2-4
An apostle is a sent one of God and a high calling. This is a gift from God to believers. Notice that all TWELVE were called apostles including Judas, not just the other eleven.
5. Judas was sent forth and ordained,
“These twelve Jesus sent forth,...”
Matthew 10:5
“And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,” Mark 3:14
Jesus sent all twelve of them forth to preach, Judas included. Jesus also equipped all of them to preach, Judas included. He “ORDAINED” them also, Judas included. To be ordained means that he recognized all of them and approved of them, Judas included.
Judas was dead before the Cross. Saved, Sealed, Sanctified post Cross
Amen...
i am confused about something unrelated to the video topic, i just need some clarification 😭 ?
Jesus says that "whosoever believes in me will not perish but have eternal life" but then later the bible says that "even demons believe" ? And that just believing all this its true doesn't mean anything without works ? So ?
And many people have been given visions & dreams from God who were told they couldn't go to Heaven with unforgiveness in their hearts ?
Im just a bit confused about Jesus saying that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life but then there are also stipulations ?
Please help, i only want to learn, please be kind, thank you
Legalists love to leave plenty of room for theirselves to take credit for the part they are playing in keeping His salvation. They'll deny this with gut wrenching false humility, of course.
Matthew 26:24.
Saying Judas was an apostle is basically teaching that you can loose your Salvation.
Saying judas was a saved is basically Saying you can loose your Salvation.
Judas was not a true believer.
Judas was called for a different purpose.
He wasn't a believer.
Judas was called to fulfill prophecy.
Judas is known as the Son of perdition.
Judas is known as unclean.
Judas is known as a devil .
Judas is a traitor, and was prophesied to be a traitor.
Judas had a chance to believe, but he didn't believe.
It is written.
◄ Psalm 41:9 the prophecy
New International Version
Even my close friend, someone I trusted, one who shared my bread, has turned against me.
◄ Matthew 26:23 ► the prophecy fulfilled
New International Version
Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me.
◄ John 13:18 ► the prophecy fulfilled
New International Version
“I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’
◄ John 13:10 ►
New International Version
Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, (though not every one of you.”)
◄ John 13:11 ►
New International Version
For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said (not every one was clean.)
◄ John 6:70 ►
New International Version
Then Jesus replied, (Have I not chosen you), the Twelve? YET ONE OF YOU IS A DEVIL!”
◄ Matthew 26:24 ►
New International Version
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.( But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man!) It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
Saying it would have been better if he had never been born ,
Is like saying he is not going to be in HEAVEN. Or how ever you want to put it.
WHEN JUDAS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHARING THE GOSPEL, CASTING OUT
DEMONS, AND HEALING THE SICK.
HE WAS GETTING HIS HUSTLE ON.↙️
14Then one of the Twelve-the one called Judas Iscariot-went to the chief priests 15and asked,
“WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE ME IF I DELIVER HIM OVER TO YOU?”
So they counted out for him thirty pieces of silver. 16From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.
Yes, I agree that Judas was a disciple of
Christ, but so we're many .
English Standard Version john 6:64
But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)
English Standard Version JOHN 6:65
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
English Standard Version JOHN 6:66
After this many of (HIS DISCIPLES) turned back and no longer walked with him.
MANY OF HIS DISCIPLES FELL AWAY.
A true believer is saved for all eternity.
TRUE BELIEVERS DO NOT TURN BACK.
N I V, THE FATHER'S HAND.
1 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S ’s HAND.
KJ V THE SON'S HAND.
2 I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND
K J V THE HOLYSPIRIT'S TEMPLE
3 What? know ye not THAT YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY GHOST WHICH IS IN YOU, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
( TRIPLE SECURITY, )
( TRIUNE SECURITY, )
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.
King James Bible
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
The true believer will truly believe.
The one who stops believing never TRULY believed.
ACTS 16:29
Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said,
Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
AND THEY SAID,
BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED,
King James Bible
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
King James Bible
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The bible clearly talks about
1.(ENDURANCE )
King James Bible
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
The bible clearly talks about
2.(Continuing to believe)
New Living Translation
It is this Good News that saves you if you continue to believe the message I told you-unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place.
The bible clearly talks about
3.(Perseverance)
New International Version
You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
CONTINUING TO BELIEVE
ENDURANCE, AND PERSEVERANCE.
How
BY OUR STREGNTH OR BY GOD'S
STREGNTH .
IF IT IS BY OUR STREGNTH IT IS A WORKS DOCTRINE.
IF BY GOD'S STREGNTH IT IS BECAUSE HE IS THE SAVIOR.
Yes the TRUE believer will do these
THINGS
BUT NOT TO STAY SAVED
BUT BECAUSE HE IS SAVED
THE TRUE BELIEVER IS SECURE IN WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE FOR HIM,
THOMAS ALSO GETS SENT OUT TO DO THE WORKS, BUT AFTER THE RESURRECTION HE CLEARLY STATED THAT HE DIDN'T BELIEVE.
THOMAS DOUBTED EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING,
The only DIFFERENCE IS THOMAS
CAME TO THE FAITH, HE BELIEVED.
English Standard Version john 17:12
While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:12 CSB
[12] While I was with them, I was protecting them by your name that you have given me. I guarded them and not one of them is lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture may be fulfilled
You see here that judas was lost bc he wasnt a believer, and also he was an exception so the scripture must be fufilled because he was given over to christ for the purpose of betraying him not to be a sheep he was a wolf in sheeps clothing. Hebrews tells us were not those who draw back and are destroyed but those who have faith and are saved
Once damned always damned without a chance of salvation would have to be true if once saved always saved without a chance of hell is true.
It would mean you cannot stop believing ince you believe and you cannot start believing if you don't believe.
Cant lose something you never had.Judas was indwelt with Satan's spirit.from the beginning,thats why he was picked from the foundation of the world to be the betrayer.
Lose is disingenuous, no one says you can lose something spiritual like keys or a phone.
The correct question is can people in the faith fall away from the faith.
Yes according to Jesus.
Always in context, Jesus was specifically talking about the apostles not all saved christians as you are applying it to.
Which means you are taking it out of context so there is no contradictions .
Was the scripture in Jeremiah you mentioned specifically about Israel or the Church?
What about Jesus other disciples who the Scripture say they believed, yet they left after Jesus said he was the bread from heaven.
Those were the 70, not the 11. That was also before Pentecost, not after.
@ricksonora6656 I agree. However, Corey discussed Judas who was before Pentecost. That's the only reason I asked about the 70 disciples who initially followed Jesus as believers. Afterwards, they stopped.
Great video!
Judas did not lose his salvation because Jesus hadn't gone on the cross yet and no one could be saved but being a disciple in the scripture is a synonym for being saved so Judas was a believer John 15 Jesus said to Judas you are already pure and the betrayal dont change things because Peter did it too but rather that there was no repentance .for Judas so we can't use the false doctrine that u canì use your salvation because of Judas' life
Was Judas created for this purpose? If so, did Judas ever have a choice in whether he’d betray Jesus?
Do you think Judas is a type for false Christians, for the tares?
judas is the type for Jews (in hebrew it is spelled the same) the Jews/judas betrayed their Messiah. But Here is the thing... all christians are false believers unfortunately. They believe the wrong things.
Judas is a type of the Antichrist.
Jesus called Judas the son of perdition in John 17:12, the only other time that phrase is used is in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
Notice: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
In this, Judas characterizes the antichrist in that he will sit in the temple, which is the body of Christ, pretending to be Christ, while at the same time doing all in his power to work against Him.
This idea is brought out in the next verse.
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The Greek prefix "anti" actually has two meanings. Most people think of "anti", as opposed to, or being against, although this is correct, it is not limited to this one meaning.
It has another meaning, and that is to take the place of, or to be a substitute for, and "the antichrist" will embody both of these meanings. He will indeed oppose Christ, viciously, but in a most clever and effective way, he will also do so by taking the place of Christ, in the hearts of His people.
Yes. He was a tare.
why does the say to repent ? Why does the bible talks about the falling away. The only issue I have with this view is it goes to far with pre destination, and to the point that makes everything seem robotic and can give false belief in a false salvation that never happened. We all choose who we follow or not too , or even choose to walk away.. it’s free will, and pre destination. Not to far ether way , I think is the right way to look at it as we are humans and don’t know who’s gonna make it in. We don’t know who God chose. As ppl fall away at all levels of the Christian path, even some with much fruit. And so fear God and obey him. As the bible reads and understand testing your salvation is important while your in the land of the living 🤔
in the ot the holy spirit fell on, now he indwells.
Great vid, thanks.
Not saying i disagree or anything, but jesus also called peter satan, we all know he was a true disciple.
Was Adam and Eve saved?
Did they lose their salvation.
Satan and a third of the angels and many others.
Was Luke 22:3 explained?
And I will never try ti find a lie In God guess Solomon was an example of how to choose against the knowledge and revelation
OT salvation was very different from NT salvation. They are not completely comparable.
I disagree Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases....Satan was after all of them especially Peter, 2 accounts of Peter being a candidate to be used by the enemy Lord rebuked him the 1st time. The 2nd time the Lord tells him Satan has desired to sift him as wheat but the Lord prayed for him that his Faith fail not, the scripture said that Satan entered his heart. Luke 22: 3 we see Satan entered into this man. We know he betrays Jesus we have read it, and heard it preached to us... I have scripture to prove that this could have been any of the 12.
In John 17 you still have a contradiction because it says Judas was given. So if a given person will not be cast out, that is a problem unless he got out on his own. The passage does not distinguish Judas from the given. It says not one of the given was lost except Judas. Therefore , someone given to Jesus was lost.
You didn’t listen to the video, did you?
@@ricksonora6656 actually, I listened to the entire video. I listened to Corey talk around the fact that it says Judas was given. He had already pointed out that those who are given will come, and won't be cast out. I heard him give an explanation, however, the explanation did not erase the fact that he was given and everything that is supposedly guaranteed when you are given.
Judas was "called" to destruction through his actions. ( Ps. 41:9.) He was never chosen as a true candidate for salvation. He did not choose his damnation, but it appears that he was predestined to be damned. Peter was chosen for salvation. Judas was not given the same gift of grace/repentance as Peter even after his three time denial of Christ. If any deny/reject Christ today, they will be hellbound. We do not read of Jesus seeking Judas out like He did Peter. Election of some and not others for salvation is frightening. (and somewhat monstrous ). Judas never had a chance, although it looked like he did, because Jesus "called" him , but not unto ETERNAL salvation. Was Judas unnecessary collateral damage?
Yes he did choose his own actions out of the evil of his own heart and greed he like we all sin and deserve damnation, same with Adam eve you and I.
.God did not make him betray Christ, yes he knew he would because he is all knowing, that's not the same as forcing sinners to sin.
God did not make any of us sin or even tempt us to.
That why we are guilty and not God.
But we have an advocate who can and has given us it will forgive us, that's Jesus, and Judas also had that available to him whosoever all.
His evil sins are sins no matter how big small or even one condemns the same.
.apparently he refused to trust Jesus for forgiveness, although the text does not say that, it is the assumption must but not all scholars and theologians make and may be true
But what is also true is God's amazing grace can or could even save Judas by grace through faith not of works so no one can boast, but God knows what he would do and did and would not force him either way.That way his judgement and reward is just.
I still would like Corey to debate Sam Shamoun. I think Sam would win this OSAS debate.
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Was Carlton Pearson never saved? Was he saved before he changed the Gospel? You said if Carlton Pearson repent (not get saved) he will be in hell.
“He went out from us that it might be made manifest that he was not of us.”
also john 12-6 robbing the money bag. he was a thief.
What is Blasphemy?
How does Luke 9 fit this position? What does it mean to be Chosen according to New Testament scriptures? Can satan actually cast out satan?
I disagree with you. I believe that we can lose our salvation. I'll use myself as an example, I am a born again follower of Christ and My life is Christs to command! Now if I decide to live my life how I see fit, how will I not lose my salvation? I'm not pretending to be saved! I know some who have lived their life serving Christ, they have turned away and now live how they want, are you saying they still have their salvation? Regardless of salvation we can't just live our lives how we want to, we must follow Gods commands! You cannot say for sure that someone never had it and then lost it! Once saved always saved is an excuse for many to say they are saved and live how they want to live! Shalom.
If you decide to live your life as you see fit, it just means you were never for Christ to begin with. There is such a thing as self deception, where you think you are saved yet you are not.
Exactly amen brother Solomon was the example of this it was written I believe the Living WORD not man so I'm glad you shared this it was well said❤🙏🏾🫡
I tend to lean in your direction.
Shalom 🙏🏾
@@Brother_Dre1900 💯🫡🙏🏾
That’s absolutely not true, Jesus said, satan can’t cast out satan Judas was casting out devils just like the rest of them
Ah yes, but in Mark 6:7, it states that Jesus Himself "...gave them power over unclean spirits." It wasn't that Judas was able to cast out demons because he was saved, but simply because Jesus gave him the authority to do so. If he didn't, then the other disciple who went with Judas would have been suspicious and maybe this could have affected the timing and event of Judas' betrayal of our Lord, which had to happen at the right place at the right time for Jesus hour' and mission to be fulfilled in the Father's timing. That's my guess anyway.
Only Jesus can now that.
Not you, not I.
How can you take Jesus place and judge another salvation.
Free will does not keave before you are saved calvinism ir after you are saved Once Saved Always Saved.
Remember it says its his will, not command, talking about the apostles alone, not everyone, peter also betrayed him, both repented.
But judas commited suicide which many take as he did not believe Jesus could forgive him, Jesus also said it would have been better he was never born.
Thats why many believe he was never saved
But the bible simply does not say he was never saved.
Thats you .
Like keep it 100.
Let Jesus judge ines sakvation
I see Christians today say oeople were never saved if they apostate and fall away from the faith.
Thats wrong, again only Jesus knows that, not you or I.jesus even says many in the faith will fall away from the faith, and he is talking to believers.
At no time does the bibke say that Judas was never saved, you are reading that into the passage to support your once saved always saved theology.
Jesus did not lose one.
The could have fell away from the faith on their own.
jesus then only chose 11.
Jesus chose Judas to betray Him so that Jesus could save a few people (small is the path that leads to life) and then cast judas into eternal burning hell for his service. This is what alot of you believe?
Judas committed suicide. Even if betraying Jesus didn’t send him to hell, killing himself sure did.
@@RoRo07770 what's that nonsense where in the bible did you read that? Is it because you are catholic that you believe that nonsense?
You need to stop with the dogmatic statements as fact.
And say you believe this or this because of this or that.
Present your evidence and conclusion and allow other people the grace to come to other conclusions , if there is room to do so
But you are stating things as fact when there is still much room for interpretation and debate.
As this has been debated for thousands of years, you may see judas in heaven, he did, like Peter, repent did he not?
Your problem is you are commited to once saved always saved and perhaps calvinist P in tulip doctrine so you are bending scripture to fit those as your guide instead of scripture alone.
Now you may be right, but you also may be wrong.
Only Jesus knows the soul at that level to say if someone has ever believed
Unfortunately those manmade doctrines above for osas saying they were never saved if they fall away in any one that falls away from the faith and thats wrong because jesus says many will thats the bible saying those saved will fall away.
Instead of saying they were never saved the bible instructs us to use scripture to rebuke reprove teach to restore them to the fold, not condemn them and judge them as never believing.
Doing so can chase them further away and is jesus job not ours, it also leads to worldly lazy christians hyper grace and sin freely christians that paul warned about.
License to sin.
The true measure if someone was ever saved, is in if they ever truly believed in jesus as savior, and only Jesus can or does know that
.we should not try to judge if judas was ever saved dogmatically we can speculate but we don't know.
And should not pretend to.
If he truly repented and believed we will see judas in heaven as with God all things are possible for Judas and the rich man, if not then we won't.
Let Jesus alone make rhat judgement, we are not worthy .
What about Solomon brother?
At the end of life, God brought him back. But the nature of pre-cross salvation was very different from post-resurrection salvation, so be careful you aren’t making an apples-and-oranges comparison.
@ricksonora6656 lol God bought him back 🤣 yall ppl indoctrinated are sad I'll orat for you too He is the same yesterday today and forever smh study fast and 🙏🏾 pray brother
@ricksonora6656 using Judas is futile anyway for it is written he was used of Satan Solomon was righteous and went after other elohim/gods so yea nice try but I love the Living Word and I'm a student who diligently searches HIS Word!
👉Judas Received the Holy Spirit = Matthew 10:1-8
But Judas did not receive the promise of the Father, which is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
How did he give Judas the Spirit when None of them had been given the Spirit yet?
You clearly misinterpreted
@adrianwesley It was the Holy Spirit's power that the disciples were able to cast out demons and heal the sick = Matthew 10:1-8
@adrianwesley Saul received the Holy Spirit as well = 1Sam 16:14
@@fernandodeleon4115 that was after Jesus ascended though so what are you talking about Judas was dead when the disciples received the Holy Spirit
Please address Hebrews 12:14-17
Good scriptures but the letter of Hebrews is not written to the Church.
In the letter of Hebrews salvation has not been given yet Heb 6:9.
In the letter of Hebrews, Future Israel believers need to endure unto the end to be saved = Matthew 10:22/Matthew 24:13.
The Church is saved Today = 2Corinthians 6:2
We need to rightly divide the word of truth to understand = 2Timothy 2:15 King James bible.
@@fernandodeleon4115 False, false, false, false, true
@ricksonora You can not prove that this message is wrong.
The writer of Hebrews is addressing the Hebrews not the church. Examples---
(Heb 3:6 cross reference with 2Cor 5:1)
(Heb 3:14 cross reference with Col 1:12)
(Heb 6:4-6 cross reference with Gal 6:1)
(Heb 6:4-6 cross reference with Eph 4:30)
(Heb 6:6 cross reference with 2Cor 4:16)
*In Heb 6:9 the word (accompany) in Greek is echo which means (to have, tener, sostner) salvation. The Hebrews do not have salvation in this letter. Future Hebrew believers will receive salvation at the second coming of Christ. Heb 9:28/Rom 11:26-27/Eze 36:25-38
*Rom 11:27 (My covenant with them)Future Israel only, when I will take away their(Israel's) sins, cross reference with Heb 8:7-12/Jer 31:31-37
*The First Covenant is near to vanishing away = Heb 8:13, meaning the New Covenant has not started yet.
*Nowhere in the bible does it say that the church is part of the (new covenant). It's only man's opinion.
*We are servants of the new covenant 2Cor 3:6
*We benefit from the blood that was shed for the new covenant 1Cor 11:25
*in HEB 4:1 the promise of the rest was made to Israel not the church. Look at Deu 12:1-10,
Israel did not obey God's covenant. Another example is in Deu 20:16-18 Israel did not destroy all the people named in v.17)
(God made a new covenant with Israel because they broke His covenant in Jer 31:31-34) (David also has spoken of another day of rest for Israel in Heb 4:7-8/Psa 95:7-11
*Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest(land, kingdom, Millennial kingdom) for the people(Israel) of God.
King James bible:
*In HEB 4:1 we (the church) don't need to fear to enter His rest.
In HEB 4:11 we don't need to labor to enter His rest.
Our citizenship is in heaven---
Phi 3:20/2Cor 5:8
@ricksonora The New Covenant has not starting yet.
👉In Jer 31:34, God will not remember Israel sins but He remembers the Churches sins = 1Jhn 1:9/Rom 6:23/1Jhn 5:16,17
👉Israel will keep His judgments and do them = Eze 36:27 but the Church can not, Look at what Jesus says to the Church of Sardis in Rev 3:1 (...I know your works...), then He says =(...but you are dead...), meaning no works/ 1Cor 3:1-4/Gal 1:6
👉Israel will enter the land =Eze 36:28 but the Church has not entered.
👉In Eze 36:25-38, the Gentile believers are not mentioned of receiving a new heart in it's context, it's only talking about Israel, look at Eze 36:36, the Gentile believers are mentioned.
Judas is not in Hell he is in the lake of fire look at the meaning of perdition.
Perdition just means rejected. Nobody’s in the lake of fire, yet. That doesn’t happen until the White Throne Judgment. Judas is in hell, awaiting his sentencing.
@@ricksonora6656 you clearly haven't read all the definition to Perdition (Eternal ) also is in Perdition