Not kidding, I am on my 10th consecutive playthrough of Sekiro right now. I started playing it in late March and I don’t think I’ve gone a full week without playing it
Yep I returned it after finishing it. Regretted it a bought the game again. It’s expensive for a four year old ps4 game and that’s because it’s just so good. Best action game of the last ten years imo
There’s something about the gameplay which had me coming back again and again. Any other game that hard and I’d have probably quit it early on before I got good but it’s just so addictive best action game ever.
Played dmc3 for 2 years straight eventually i got to the point i modded the turbo system to go even faster the muscle memory is still binded to my flesh
This is a really interesting perspective! I personally love going back to games that have great gameplay and replaying bosses (sekiro, hollow knight etc.)
When I was younger, I preferred big open games with a lot of stuff to do that would last as much as possible. That was my idea of a replayable game. But nowadays I'd much rather have a linear and focused experience with a fun gameplay loop. Doesn't matter if it's short or long, as long as I don't see anymore maps full of icons for the hundreds of side activities, missions and collectibles which aren't even worth doing most of the time, but it also just feels like you're missing a lot by not doing them.
And elden ring blows up the map huge, makes you tinyX the entire sky piss yellow and hides little grey npcs scattered around for you to miss without any icons. I haven’t really found a choice they made with that game that I enjoyed. It’s just too big and empty. I don’t want to run 45 seconds to soemthing in the distance that’s not fun I have shit to do
@@theprodigalson4003 they put npc icons on the map, really really helpful, true it's big and empty for the most part, but the places you explore are magnificent ngl
I love when singleplayer games allow you to progress main stories with your friends. Dying Light is in my opinion the perfect example. I've played the story couple of times and then my friends bought the game so we could play together. My God, was it fucking fun. Killing zombies with bros is ten times more fun. Probably the best time I've had in my gaming life
The thing that made me fall in love with Skyrim all those years ago is when I had to go to a place on the map and getting side tracked so much that I ended up farther away from my objective than I originally started. Just pick a direction and see what nonsense you get caught up in.
i started playing skyrim a couple of days ago and have been doing companion quests for hours , still have to speak to the leader of whiterun (i forgot his name) 😂
There is one feeling I have every time I finish a Souls game, which is: 'damn, wish I could experience it again with the same challenge from the first playthrough'. Sekiro was the ONLY one that almost fulfilled that wish, thanks to the Kuro's charm you really need to master the game, and that brought the learning experience back, almost like if I was playing the game for the first time. There is a lot of people who says Sekiro has no replay value, and I understand where they are coming from, but no Souls game brought me this feeling like it, changing your build only makes you experience the same game with a different character and using Kuro's charm makes you experience a different game with the same character. Would be cool if Elden Ring had one item that forced you to broke the enemies posture in order to do more substantial damage for example, just like the Crystalians fights normally go, but without their enormous hyper armor.
Yea there’s something so satisfying about pulling off the perfect battle with all ur timings perfect it’s just incredible I don’t know if I’ll ever experience something that good again
Nah bro, Respec for a different L2 animation where you shoot a beam at the enemy from a distance fuck u mean u want posture 100s of weapons that do 2 things are way better
One of my recent favorites for "replay value" is Armored Core 6. It has both sides. The story and endings change and evolve up to 3 play throughs. And the gameplay is fun. AND a playthrough is only around 13 hours or so to complete. It's so perfect I may cry. I am currently on the third and final playthrough for the last story content. For me, the larger the game, the less replayable it is. After I spend 100 hours exploring some big open world game and enjoy it, the LAST thing I want to do is replay it. It takes many years for the thought of replaying most big games even crosses my mind. I much prefer shorter more focused games for replay far more often. I get burned out on larger games even if I love them. Thry are more a 1 time experience I don't feel like replaying due to its massive commitment and too much lesser content to wade through
I actually played through AC6 6 times. After the first 3 i was still hungry for more but i already did everything. S-rank in every mission, all the parts, all endings. PvP wasn't really for me so i thought, fuck it. Deleted my save file and did the whole thing again from scratch. So i ended up 100%ing the entire thing twice back to back and it was a blast from start to finish. 2nd time around i even intentionally held off on getting my favorite parts early on to force myself to commit to different builds than the ones i relied on the first time. I also agree on replaying super big open world games. For example i absolutely love RDR2. Amazing experience... and i didn't have the slightest urge to touch it again ever since the credits rolled after the epilogue. Meanwhile i've played through all the fromsoft games and many other short games (old god of war trilogy, metal gear solid, prince of persia trilogy, Crash bandicoot 3, Spyro 2, etc.) more times than i can count and i could play them any day again and have a good time.
The thing that brings me back to Sekiro is wanting to get gud at it again, I never try to fully master it, just enough to play through it and get a sense of progression, once I finish it I just leave it for a while to become rusty and do that all over again.
I will never forget coming home from work, doing a full playthrough of Sekiro till midnight, sleeping 5 hours and then going back to work (yes, my shifts were from 6AM to 2PM, not the standard in most places). I did this for a week straight. Somehow I just didn't feel tired. But the game was too fun not to play every day. Such a brilliant combat system. I really, really wish we got more. Either a longaer base game or some expansion could have gone such a long way. But if that's the main compliant with a game you know it is damn good.
I’m probably one of 5 weirdos in existence who still thinks there’s a possibility of DLC. After the game has continued getting more and more love it’s just such a shame for it to not have something extra
@@Szapi I read a random comment on the game where the writer suggested a DLC where you play through the time when Isshin was young and follow his rise to lead the Ashina clan. I think that’s an interesting concept.
13:39 I was worried you wouldn't mention Devil May Cry but I'm so glad you did. In my opinion, it has some of the best replay value due to the skill ceiling and the way it naturally makes you wanna play it more
I played Fallout New Vegas for the first time in December, and over the course of the month replayed the entire game like 3-4 times because I was on a school break. It was amazing, because in my mind it kind of fits both of the types you put in the video. It has a lot of stuff to offer and it's a lot of fun while doing it.
I have seen this being thrown around countless times. Especially when it comes to the comparision between Sekiro and Elden Ring. Personally, I prefer linear games more than open-world ones. There's just this satisfaction you get once you finish the game again after your first playthrough. It happened to me with Sekiro, and with Lies of P. I never got bored of them, and I doubt I ever will. It all just boils down to what you find fun.
I like a bit of both. I fully embrace some things like linear shooters, be it half life or titanfall 2 or hell, even some cod campaigns. They're good dumb fun of pointing and clicking on people. But it's the same way i enjoy many open world games, even ones that strike every red flag of them. Be it breath of the wild, gta, skyrim, or even most of the far cry games, it's sometimes just fun exploring the world and doing everything you come across even if it might just be meaningless collectibles or entirely optional combat encounters.
I don't necessarily like linear more than open world inherently, but I like the qualities that tend to come with linearity. Mainly very tight fast paced experiences with a strong focus on the main game mechanics. You'll often get a bit of both with your more alternate path level select games, like how in Super Mario Bros there are some secrets you can find that take you do a different level that retains all the traits it would have if it were perfectly linear. One of my favourite games is Dragon Valor. Which is comprised of a bunch of highly linear levels, but between levels you'll sometimes end up being given a choice on which level you want to take to get to the destination, which I've found helped a lot with replay value while keeping the same focus on the things that make linear games great.
Right now I’m on a single player games journey since summer of 2022. I started replaying Black Flag and decided to go for AC Origins, AC Odyssey, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, Starfield, Witcher 3, Star Wars Fallen Order, Tom Clancy Wildlands, Jurassic Park: The Game, Outlast, Skyrim, Scorn, God of War and now I’m at Dark Souls: Remastered. Before this journey I was a die hard Rainbow Six player, sinking over 2.300 hours for a stupid rank, getting angry constantly. Now, I enjoy great stories. And yes, I will replay some of these games! Singeplayer games made me love gaming again!
I recently dived into Elden Ring (my first souls-like) with little knowledge about the game. I was thinking it would be an interesting experience to try for a bit. Now I am considering a NG+ or even a NG+2.
I will always argue that Sekiro is more replayable than Elden Ring. I've done 3 playthroughs of vanilla Elden ring and four on convergence even though I had a list of 20 playthroughs that I wanted to do. But because I've seen nearly everything and gone to nearly every POI, I find myself thinking "now what" after every cave or dungeon. With Sekiro (or every other soulslike for that matter) it tells you where to go and what to do, instead of it being a matter of choosing where to go to farm more levels after the first time. It also helps that the gameplay is insanely fun.
I disagree. I find Elden Ring more enthralling since the tools given to me allow me to play the game in fundamentally different ways. For instance, mages technically need stamina, but if you do a magic playthrough of ER you basically never need to interact with the stamina system. It also helps that within each weapon there are multiple possible builds. Like the Zwei can very easily be used for, jump attack builds, trading builds, and charge attack builds. All from one weapon. It's options like that, that keep me playing.
@@spookzer16 I understand that that's where ER's replayability comes from, however my argument is that I often get lost trying to find new objectives that are both fun and worth my time reward wise. Every time I defeat Godrick or another "region-locking" boss, I often get lost trying to find new objectives. And no matter how many playthroughs I wanna do, I stopped doing them because of that "now what" feeling that eventually gets in the way of the enjoyment that a first playthrough's wonder often has. I think it's the same with other big games that prioritize content variety over other aspects like BG3, Skyrim, and a lot of roguelikes, because I just think that the gameplay isn't fun enough and there's a lot of set-up necessary for second or more playthroughs that I just get too bored with them and stop playing. That's also why I think Sekiro is more replayable because not only is (in my opinion) the gameplay, movement and combat a lot more fun, there's also never a "now what" feeling because there's almost always a clear path that you have to follow. But I do understand the build variety argument and aspects like challenge runs being fun, it's just that I don't get that kind of enjoyment from them.
i can't help but keep replaying Cyberpunk 2077 over and over again, sure it has a ton of content but even besides that i just can't get enough of the world, the music, the gameplay and my hands being robotic... seriously i just really like seeing story cutscenes with me having those gorilla arms because they look so cool
This is a great thing to see. Idk if it’s my own fault or RUclips having a crappy algorithm but my homepage is always littered with a bunch of substance-less crap. Seeing a video of yours pop up in the midst of all of that is a welcome sight.
I replay Red Dead Redemption 2 multiple times, each time a little differently... ...but I always leave Micah cooking in jail for as long as it takes for Arthur to grow a mountain man's beard.
Content replay value ia worse then fun replay value in my opinion. Games that offer fun, tight pick and play experience tend to value your time and doesnt have bloat. I see so many games coming out recently that are action rpg open world games with so much bloat that its not even fun to get through the first time let alone replaying that game. I'd rather have a fun well paced game with no bloat that makes me say i wish there was more and eventually get the urge to replay it. Examples: Ghostrunner, Spider-Man, Batman Arkham, Jedi games, God of War 3, Doom games, Strider 2014, Bulletstorm, Darksiders 1, Crysis Trilogy, Titanfall 2, COD campaigns, A short hike and pretty much whatever Insomniac makes.
I think my favorite case of replay ability lately in game design is Armored Core 6. There’s three different endings to get, one of which you need to do in ng+3. But in that pursuit you get all sorts of new missions, fights, dialogue, etc. whatever your first ending you get is can be satisfying for people who just want to play once, but the choices you make entice you to want to know what else coulda happened. also Armored Core has what feels like an unending potential for different builds and customization which paired with the super fun and engaging combat make it an absolute joy to replay. Of course fromsoft absolutely nails replay ability of games though but that was an especially incredible case of that in a game design.
If the aspect of a game that attracts me the most is the story, its usually this games that i give up replaying half way through them. I tend to have a good memory for most things and if i start playing a game, EVERYTHING that happens returns to my mind instantly and it can feel like im wasting my time since i remember everything. branching paths or different builds can really make me stay tho.
Two of my favorite games ever, Skyrim and terraria, have some of the best replay value out there i think. The process of learning about the game's systems and the world and adapting to things that happen in the games, getting better at them, trying new character builds, approaching progression in different ways. Not to mention the mass amount of extensive mods for both, skyrocketing the replayability further. I think what helps games feel more replayable is wide discussion of the games. I probably wouldn't replay skyrim or terraria so often if i didn't get to talk about them with people almost daily.
I love replaying resident evil 2/3 remakes, they’re just so fun and so short when you know what you’re doing (long on first play throughs). It’s like playing your favourite movie on for a night, ya know? Beating RE2 in 4 hours or so feels so satisfying
I guess I didn’t mention it, but 2/3 is a fun back to back experience. Ik 3 remake gets some hate for cutting content from the original, but I still think it’s a lot of fun in its own right
@@chadofastora yeah, honestly RE3 is good when paired with RE2, i bought them in 2020 on sale together and they sorta just feel like their paired together, if i payed full price for RE3, i would have felt sour about it as well
I have just gotten to the point of ng+7 in elden ring and bloodborne, ng+12 in sekiro and ng+3 in ds3 (it was the latest fs game i played) and im striving for max level in elden ring and bloodborne. Shit will take time, 1.69 billion runes is a lot but damn am i loving the elden ring dlc bosses right now.
When you brought up natural replay value I was just waiting for Little Nightmares to show up and it did 10:38. I love Little Nightmares so much more specially I will always come back to Little Nightmares 2 because it’s actually a masterpiece and I love the world it’s set in. I am also super nostalgic towards it and no I’m not gaslighting my self because of nostalgia no idea why people say that. Nestogia is just a product of remembering something you love and get memories to.
I’ve replayed gloomwood an ungodly amount of times just to see what crazy setups I can pull off, the game is designed in such a way where it doesn’t limit you on how you do things and it opens the player up to do whatever they want with their arsenal, such a good imm sim, probably my favorite one, and it’s not even 25% done as of now. If you’re into stealth, I highly suggest checking it out
Cyberpunk 2077 has both artificial and natural replayability, there’s tons of content and many storylines you probably didn’t finish on your first playthrough, but the main reason people keep replaying is because it’s just an amazing game with an amazing world that they love.
Bro good video, and the fact that you used RE4 and Sekiro on it, proves your point, because those two games are the ones I played the most, inlcuding Bloodborne and Doom Eternal
There are very few games that have good replay value based solely on procedural generation. Most that come to mind has something else on top of procedural generation to make it replayable. Rimworld for example, has procedural generation. But it also has a very sandbox structure that makes replay fun. Same with Factorio. HD2 has procedural generation too, but its the gameplay itself that makes it fun. Procedural generation is a small multiplier for replayability and as with any multiplier, if you multiply by 0 you still get 0.
That Skyrim > Sekiro (replayability) is absolutely infuriating even if Ik it's just an example. Skyrim has the advantage of 13 years and a shit tons of rerelease. Skyrim replays are more of a How many mod can I put this time.
I think that's a bit disingenuous of a take for Skyrim, while the mods do an important part in replaying it, the reason people always come back is the experience and roleplay factors. (after all the meme is you don't quit Skyrim you just take long breaks) As for Skyrim re releasing, nothing really was changed outside graphical updates, slight overhauls, bug fixes and the eventual open support/monetization of modding. So nothing there helped Skyrim to have an "advantage against sekiro" why it has an advantage over sekiro is because skyrim appeals to the casual gamer. Now onto the Soulsborne genre, the games imo are extremely replayable for the style of approaching fights and the feel of combat. Once you get tired of one, you can hop to another and so on and so forth until to your back where u started(I did this for a while after nioh 2 came out). Both games have different types of replayability and as individuals we have an inherent bias for which one we prefer. Skyrim funnily enough showcases this bias in full frontal because there's a subset of the community that wants to see dark souls combat in Skyrim, but there's also a subset who only really just enhances the graphics and audio to become more immersed in Skyrim by itself. (Modlists proving this notion with people asking "any modlists for Skyrim that don't have DS combat" I do wanna add that I feel the comparison is dumb and before anyone asks me about the replayability factor, I ask them what their personal taste is just to avoid the Skyrim vs x game debate.)
I would love other videos on more general video game topics like this. You reference so many different games which shows you know whay you're talking about.
The reason why I replay Skyrim so many times is trying different builds. You could be a warrior, archer, mage, summoner, battlemage, thief, assassin and so much more. Also you could try and find every last thing in the game, yet there will always be more. There will always be items or hidden details that you missed. Hidden bosses too. Skyrim is replayable because of the amount of content. As always, we all have our opinions. You have yours in this video, and I have mine. Me personally, I couldn't replay sekiro. It's a game you play once and never again.
I think almost any game has replay value if you like it enough. I play Sekiro over and over again because I love the combat and the challenge of beating tough enemies without taking damage. I play Ghost of Tsushima over and over again because I love the dramatic cutscenes, the different paths the conversations take when you choose different dialogue and…most importantly…I love how much the combat changes. Playing GoT on Lethal difficulty is a completely different experience than Easy difficulty with Low Intensity Combat turned on.
*Unpredictability is a surefire way to increase replayability....but linear games at times are so charming, they keep you coming back.... Its an interesting thing.*
My no.1 game with infinite replayability was armored core series, the other armored core series like last raven, for answer and fires of rubicon has the best multiple ending and new game plus mode, you also have tons of weapons and parts
I think there’s another type of replay value, which is being fully engrossed in the world and characters. Some of my most replayed games are fairly to highly linear, but I enjoyed being in the world and love the characters so much that I return to it often to experience their story again. For example, The Last of Us is one of the games I’ve replayed the most (probably third under Mass Effect and Halo 2) and while I do enjoy the gameplay, I recognize the gameplay isn’t really where it shines mainly, yet I still replay that more often than say something like GTA 5 which is designed and geared toward being endlessly replayable.
@@chadofastora yeah after finishing the video I noticed that 😂 but since it wasn’t emphasized as one of the major factors of Replayability I thought I’d mention it anyways
i have sunk over 500+ hours in vanilla Terraria over the span of 10 months just because its fun slowly ranmping up the difficulty settings and trying out new classes
Most find CE's 2nd half boring but like you, I also love replaying it. CE's mastery of Legendary difficulty, refined sandbox, intelligent & capable enemies just never gets old. The more games I've played the more I've started to get bored by it world games. I much prefer a linear, shorter & tighter experience over groaning at a map with a 100 side objectives. My curiosity won't let me not pursue those even if I know they're just not worth . Fantastic video!!
What you said about replaying dark souls 3 right after beating it is how I felt with the re4 remake, I enjoyed it so damn much because of its combat that I felt like immediately jumping back in. Sekiro I do less replaying the entire game and just re fighting the bosses because it’s so fun and satisfying.
I honestly think its harder to make a game not replayable for most people. I can go through games over and over again if they were good but some of my favorite games I just cannot stand one or two parts because of how awful that one section is. Warhammer 40k boltgun is an example of this, no matter how many times I google it or do it I just cannot bring myself to replay it because of that one war area with a bunch of doors and bridges I always get lost in for hours. I'll still play soulsborne games until the end of time, and then keep playing them until TF2 gets an update.
RE2R has a lot of replay value that simply comes from the ranking system. After that first playthrough, you know everything you have to do, and now you can strategize your route and get every key item as quickly as possible to achieve that beautiful S rank. It’s crazy how different of an experience the game is on a repeat playthrough
I play Skyrim and other RPG’s for variety, Souls and souls like games for challenge, shooters for mindless violence, Hitman and MGS for stealth, Rockstar and Sony Games for story, and Cyberpunk because….well, because its awesome.
I wish that Sekiro had a reward for no hitting a boss. Nothing functional, I don't want a powerup. Just something to show you have done it. That is the kind of motivation i need to master a system like that, just a token showing that i *have* you know? It helps me know my progress. And know of it later. It has an impact, having an item to commemorate.
A way to turn "natural replay value" into something more tangible that the game acknowledges & grades you on is arcade elements like 1-credit runs (or "no continues" if it's a home console/PC game with no literal "credits") or well thought out scoring systems. The latter is relatively rarer outside of shoot-em-ups and their derivatives (you could argue whether Starfox 64 is a "shmup" or not, but it grades your mastery well either way); even great arcade games like Metal Slug can be a slog to score in, and in many arcade games or arcadey console games you're only thinking of score in terms of the extra lives it rewards you and not as a serious competitive challenge. BUT 1CCing more often feels like something a ton of older arcade & console games are designed around. Right now I'm trying to do a full run of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood without continuing, and the game seems designed around that goal (or *set* of goals given the branching paths). 1ups are hidden in various places. Not only does scoring (which grades you on mastery such as the amount of health & weapon ammo you use on bosses, encouraging whip-only runs) give you extra lives but so does finishing a level with full health, encouraging strategic level routing AND boss mastery. But scoring systems existing purely for the sake of grading mastery is an underrated thing outside of shmups and consciously "80s arcade retro" games and just cuz a lot late 80s/90s games stopped caring & included them in a shallow vestigial way (it stopped being a huge focus as early as Final Fight where where the final big intended goal is just "don't continue", with score pickups being too randomized to make you give a crap), that doesn't mean they can't be used well. Games like the DMC series could benefit from a scoring system that grades you on a mix of comboing, damage avoidance and speedrunning skill simultaneously. Speedrunning excludes expressive combos, and comboing foregoes speed, so why not grade players on perfectly mixing both?
A sort of niche game I've replayed more times than I know is "call of Juarez gunslinger". I've never played a game where the guns felt better. Fresh save, hard mode full story and upgrades then I'll complete all the unlocks in the arcade mode. There's a finite amount of content but I'm always left satisfied once it's all done.
thank you for also focusing on how "artificial" replay value is also good but its a preference for the person and if they enjoy that gameplay loop or not. and i think a lot of the people who hate on "natural" replay value are people who don't recognize they do the same thing with other media theres no difference in watching a movie twice than playing a linear narrative game twice both are artistic experiences and many times although you can never have the same experience a different experience doesnt mean it'll be worse
Hmmm, as somebody who wants to make fun games, my conclusion seems to be a balance between the amount of options you give players to make the game more "imediatelly" fun (or basically a quick, short lasting satisfaction) to the very essence of the game as an experience. It seems to me the examples you gave us have clear goals for you to do next, eliminating analysis paralysis or choice-making (thus keeping you immersed for longer) because they are (somewhat) linear, and rather choose to improve and polish the one path they put you on, giving weight to every scene. This is maybe way I managed to finish the whole Bayonetta 1 first playthrough and wanting to go back to it so dearly vs never finishing Skyrim and not wanting to go back to it. But hey, you can do both successfully, like how Xenoblade Chronicles X makes me miss not having a tv to plug my Wii U to every time I think about my console, and that game was meant to be an MMO style rpg.
I don’t play non co op non party game multiplayer games, it’s the same 10 minute loop of gameplay instead of same 30 hour loop in a single player that also has narrative and interesting changes
This is so funny because my top 3 favorite games, one is multiplayer, one is Sekiro which I constantly replay, and the other is new Vegas which I have beaten exactly twice. Yet it remains so pure and perfect in my mind, replaying it never really crossed my mind.
As someone replaying elden ring for the 40th (not exaggerating) time: Content plus it's fun is the best. I'm a nut case that want's one character for every spell class and weapon class. It started with just each build type. Pure str, pure dex, dex/arc, dex/fth and all other combinations. Then it became spells... now it's weapon types... And I may have shit myself when they said the dlc is adding 8 new ones. Man I hope a game I like comes out before I'm done with all those cuz I've been playing Elden Ring damn near none stop sense release.
I’ve been gaming since the beginning of video games, and I agree that replay value is totally subjective, As I’ve played through certain single player modes of games countless times, and I’ve played co-op modes of certain games countless hours, Ultimately replay for me, whether movies, shows, or video games is about entertainment & escapism.
I play Dark Souls and Bloodborne over and over cause they are fun and digestible. Elden Ring has more content but I don’t want to have to play through it all again. The formers however, I can play though in less than a day, enjoy all the content, and still wanna play it again.
I personally rarely replay games just because as an artist I put most of my free time in to trying to experience as much new and unique things as possible to broaden my perspective in my art, but I think the values of replay explained in this video are interesting.
@@Lionfrog13 I’ve seen a lot of people share that sentiment in these comments and it makes sense. Sometimes I also feel like replaying isn’t as efficient as trying new things, but personally I can’t help it 😅
Borderlands 2. For me it has both the "artificial" and "natural" replay value. Explaining the replay value of that game alone would probably take an hour or two, plus there's tons of video essays about it. Also the fact that there are some youtubers who are still pulling 100k+ views through this 12 year old game is insane to me.
cheesing sekiro as my first playthrough rn because i wanted to see just how smart others can be with the game's tools and its incredible that it does that(also ultrakill helps out with deflecting) so my second playthrough is going to drag me through the fucking dirt and i can't wait for that attempt
love to see Hollow Knight featured in here. Just finished my first Sekiro playthrough yesterday and the only game that gave me the same feeling of mastery was fully completing Hollow Knight. You plan to make any Hollow Knight content?
I hate to admit I actually haven’t finished hollow knight yet 😅 but I can tell it’ll probably be one of my all time favorites when I get there. And I’ll most likely make at least a boss ranking or something
Haven't watched the whole vid, but as someone that have played Marvel:Ultimate Alliance on PS2 for more than 15 times i can attest the power of "Fun as Replayability Value" 😂
I've replayed doom 2016 countless times because of just how fun I found the game. I think doom 2016 has quite a good amount of variety compared to eternal, as the way the levels play change throughout. every level in eternal is incredibly formulaic and essentially the same thing, everything about that game blends together and feels the same after a while and I personally don't find any fun in replaying if anymore
I find singleplayer games very hard to get into replaying unless it has randomly generated elements akin to minecraft, terraria, dead cells, and maybe the binding of isaac too. Some non randomly generated games that have combat so good that they became exceptions to what i said earlier would be Ultrakill and Sekiro, although i dont fully replay them, just refight certain bosses(for sekiro) or replay certain levels/endless mode(for ultrakill) all for simple fun even if i dont have much progress and stuff like the sandboxy/rpg games i play.
sekiros my favourite game ever, i dont know why it grips me so much but ive sunk hundreds of hours completing it more times than i can count, replay value is crazy subjective
i have like 100 hrs in every Fromsoftware game just doing no dmg boss rush over and over again and never got bored with it cause its just that good, and now Stellar Blade came out, and i might be replaying it like i did to to FS games cause its just that good and Replay Value is High
My most replayed game is probably Fire Emblem Awakening. I started it when I was about 10 years old, and I've probably played through it around 15 or so times.
I thought of this exactly when I replied to a comment yesterday bashing on ds3 because it has "no replayability" and how ds2 has so much better replayability. I simultaneously agree and disagree with that sentiment. I like replaying both of these games but for very different reasons which perfectly fit these two categories. Ds2 has greater artificial replayability through ng+ changes and more build variety whereas ds3 doesn't need that to make me want to replay it because I just love playing the game.
In the end i think it deppends on the player, for example i loved nier automata story and gameplay but i dont find too much fun replaying it, specially the 9s section, or other cases like atomic heart, days gone where i just come back again because i love the setting of this games and combat
Games like Maxpayne 3 and Ghost of Tushmia i games i go back to just for the combat. Games such as Fallout New Vegas, RDR2, Kingdom come, San andreas and Witcher3 are games i go back to for content and case of New vegas, Kingdom come, RDR2 and San andreas are games i go back to for what they allow you to do in their worlds. Skyrim and Bully are also great in that regard. Games like Dishonored 2, Hitman, Manhunt and Spinter cell are games were i really enjoy their stealth so i go back to them.
I had an argument with someone once because i think Bloodborne is more replayable than elden ring and these few first minutes is pretty much how it went. He argued over content and weapon choices in ER and i argued about the shorter and more focused package in Bloodborne.
My favorite games are the ones where you explore a new world, and they're basically impossible to replay. Even with the convergence mod, i barely got through my third elden ring playthrough, and its my favourite game ever. Same with totk, dont know if I'll replay that before 50 years On the other hand, i mustve played ultrakill and doom eternal like 5 times by now
The games I spent the most time replaying were very linear and didn't have weapon variety. Less is more, I usually judge a game by how it looks and plays instead of what it offers.
Its so strange, I can never convince myself to replay any of thr souls games, Elden Ring, or Bloodborne, yet I've played Sekiro and Lies of P countless times, and Hollow Knight has held my interest for ~450 hours.
Not kidding, I am on my 10th consecutive playthrough of Sekiro right now. I started playing it in late March and I don’t think I’ve gone a full week without playing it
Heh, I platinumed it back in 2019 and returned to it last month. It’s so fucking good.
Same I’ve had to start deleting saves lol
Consecutive? Goddamn
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Yep I returned it after finishing it. Regretted it a bought the game again. It’s expensive for a four year old ps4 game and that’s because it’s just so good. Best action game of the last ten years imo
I played Sekiro 10 or more times than I count. And I never even tried finding a reason why. It's just so damn good, and I wanna play it again.
There’s something about the gameplay which had me coming back again and again. Any other game that hard and I’d have probably quit it early on before I got good but it’s just so addictive best action game ever.
Sekiro is just that good
This is the way. When it clicks, just let it happen. Part of the fun is not mapping and figuring it out completely
Played dmc3 for 2 years straight eventually i got to the point i modded the turbo system to go even faster the muscle memory is still binded to my flesh
I wish it wasn’t so damn hard . Everything else abt it looks perfect for me
This is a really interesting perspective! I personally love going back to games that have great gameplay and replaying bosses (sekiro, hollow knight etc.)
OG Re4 has to be one of the most replayed games I have ever seen
Best thing about these games is that they let you replay the bosses without going through the story again
Hollow Knight and Sekiro aren't the greatest game of all time but they are PERFECT
That’s something I like that OOT did it has a feature that just straight up lets you re fight a boss
@@iancampbell4225 OOT?
When I was younger, I preferred big open games with a lot of stuff to do that would last as much as possible. That was my idea of a replayable game. But nowadays I'd much rather have a linear and focused experience with a fun gameplay loop. Doesn't matter if it's short or long, as long as I don't see anymore maps full of icons for the hundreds of side activities, missions and collectibles which aren't even worth doing most of the time, but it also just feels like you're missing a lot by not doing them.
Doom Eternal
Wait till you try mario.
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And elden ring blows up the map huge, makes you tinyX the entire sky piss yellow and hides little grey npcs scattered around for you to miss without any icons. I haven’t really found a choice they made with that game that I enjoyed. It’s just too big and empty. I don’t want to run 45 seconds to soemthing in the distance that’s not fun I have shit to do
@@theprodigalson4003 they put npc icons on the map, really really helpful, true it's big and empty for the most part, but the places you explore are magnificent ngl
I love when singleplayer games allow you to progress main stories with your friends. Dying Light is in my opinion the perfect example. I've played the story couple of times and then my friends bought the game so we could play together. My God, was it fucking fun. Killing zombies with bros is ten times more fun. Probably the best time I've had in my gaming life
If only I had steam friend
It was given out on epic for free
This is exactly how I felt about the first Dead Island when it first came out
@@TotallyNotJoe_this is how I felt about dead island 2
exactly, playing stuff with your friends even if you aren't the one actively playing is so much more fun than playing by yourself
The thing that made me fall in love with Skyrim all those years ago is when I had to go to a place on the map and getting side tracked so much that I ended up farther away from my objective than I originally started.
Just pick a direction and see what nonsense you get caught up in.
i started playing skyrim a couple of days ago and have been doing companion quests for hours , still have to speak to the leader of whiterun (i forgot his name) 😂
That's partly why I love Elden Ring so much. I haven't felt that sense of wonder and immersion since Skyrim
@@gamingodyssey4328jarl ballin
And elden ring does none of this
There is one feeling I have every time I finish a Souls game, which is: 'damn, wish I could experience it again with the same challenge from the first playthrough'. Sekiro was the ONLY one that almost fulfilled that wish, thanks to the Kuro's charm you really need to master the game, and that brought the learning experience back, almost like if I was playing the game for the first time. There is a lot of people who says Sekiro has no replay value, and I understand where they are coming from, but no Souls game brought me this feeling like it, changing your build only makes you experience the same game with a different character and using Kuro's charm makes you experience a different game with the same character. Would be cool if Elden Ring had one item that forced you to broke the enemies posture in order to do more substantial damage for example, just like the Crystalians fights normally go, but without their enormous hyper armor.
Yea there’s something so satisfying about pulling off the perfect battle with all ur timings perfect it’s just incredible I don’t know if I’ll ever experience something that good again
Nah bro, Respec for a different L2 animation where you shoot a beam at the enemy from a distance fuck u mean u want posture 100s of weapons that do 2 things are way better
the weapon you're looking for is the misericorde, it's a dagger with the highest crit modifier in the game.
One of my recent favorites for "replay value" is Armored Core 6.
It has both sides. The story and endings change and evolve up to 3 play throughs.
And the gameplay is fun. AND a playthrough is only around 13 hours or so to complete.
It's so perfect I may cry. I am currently on the third and final playthrough for the last story content.
For me, the larger the game, the less replayable it is.
After I spend 100 hours exploring some big open world game and enjoy it, the LAST thing I want to do is replay it.
It takes many years for the thought of replaying most big games even crosses my mind.
I much prefer shorter more focused games for replay far more often. I get burned out on larger games even if I love them. Thry are more a 1 time experience I don't feel like replaying due to its massive commitment and too much lesser content to wade through
Yea when I repurchased sekiro the guy in the shop reccomended it I might pick it up
Armored core last raven blows AC6 out of the water when it comes to replay value, multiple endings, weapons and parts variety
I wish fromsoft would rerelease each generation as a $40-50 bundle with private match multiplayer for the title that had it@@hare75
I actually played through AC6 6 times. After the first 3 i was still hungry for more but i already did everything. S-rank in every mission, all the parts, all endings. PvP wasn't really for me so i thought, fuck it.
Deleted my save file and did the whole thing again from scratch. So i ended up 100%ing the entire thing twice back to back and it was a blast from start to finish.
2nd time around i even intentionally held off on getting my favorite parts early on to force myself to commit to different builds than the ones i relied on the first time.
I also agree on replaying super big open world games. For example i absolutely love RDR2. Amazing experience... and i didn't have the slightest urge to touch it again ever since the credits rolled after the epilogue.
Meanwhile i've played through all the fromsoft games and many other short games (old god of war trilogy, metal gear solid, prince of persia trilogy, Crash bandicoot 3, Spyro 2, etc.) more times than i can count and i could play them any day again and have a good time.
Speedrunning is my #1 reason to replay a game. I am not good at it but it is still fun as hell.
The thing that brings me back to Sekiro is wanting to get gud at it again, I never try to fully master it, just enough to play through it and get a sense of progression, once I finish it I just leave it for a while to become rusty and do that all over again.
I will never forget coming home from work, doing a full playthrough of Sekiro till midnight, sleeping 5 hours and then going back to work (yes, my shifts were from 6AM to 2PM, not the standard in most places). I did this for a week straight. Somehow I just didn't feel tired. But the game was too fun not to play every day.
Such a brilliant combat system. I really, really wish we got more. Either a longaer base game or some expansion could have gone such a long way. But if that's the main compliant with a game you know it is damn good.
I’m probably one of 5 weirdos in existence who still thinks there’s a possibility of DLC. After the game has continued getting more and more love it’s just such a shame for it to not have something extra
@@Szapi I read a random comment on the game where the writer suggested a DLC where you play through the time when Isshin was young and follow his rise to lead the Ashina clan. I think that’s an interesting concept.
13:39 I was worried you wouldn't mention Devil May Cry but I'm so glad you did. In my opinion, it has some of the best replay value due to the skill ceiling and the way it naturally makes you wanna play it more
I was really hoping he'd mention dmc5. It's the first game I've played that I would call a combat sandbox.
@@thejoaquindead9515 fr. It has so much to play around with its insane
The thing that brings me back to skyrim is the music.
It’s really memorable and soothing
I played Fallout New Vegas for the first time in December, and over the course of the month replayed the entire game like 3-4 times because I was on a school break. It was amazing, because in my mind it kind of fits both of the types you put in the video. It has a lot of stuff to offer and it's a lot of fun while doing it.
I know I’ve gotta give that game a try at some point
Played at least 30 times since it came out, with every major faction and more niche roleplaying and limitations each reroll. Never gets old.
I personally prefer "It's fun" over content bloat.
But I also need to clarify that simply being immersed in a world is fun to me.
I have seen this being thrown around countless times. Especially when it comes to the comparision between Sekiro and Elden Ring. Personally, I prefer linear games more than open-world ones. There's just this satisfaction you get once you finish the game again after your first playthrough. It happened to me with Sekiro, and with Lies of P. I never got bored of them, and I doubt I ever will. It all just boils down to what you find fun.
I like a bit of both.
I fully embrace some things like linear shooters, be it half life or titanfall 2 or hell, even some cod campaigns. They're good dumb fun of pointing and clicking on people.
But it's the same way i enjoy many open world games, even ones that strike every red flag of them.
Be it breath of the wild, gta, skyrim, or even most of the far cry games, it's sometimes just fun exploring the world and doing everything you come across even if it might just be meaningless collectibles or entirely optional combat encounters.
I don't necessarily like linear more than open world inherently, but I like the qualities that tend to come with linearity. Mainly very tight fast paced experiences with a strong focus on the main game mechanics.
You'll often get a bit of both with your more alternate path level select games, like how in Super Mario Bros there are some secrets you can find that take you do a different level that retains all the traits it would have if it were perfectly linear.
One of my favourite games is Dragon Valor. Which is comprised of a bunch of highly linear levels, but between levels you'll sometimes end up being given a choice on which level you want to take to get to the destination, which I've found helped a lot with replay value while keeping the same focus on the things that make linear games great.
Right now I’m on a single player games journey since summer of 2022. I started replaying Black Flag and decided to go for AC Origins, AC Odyssey, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, Starfield, Witcher 3, Star Wars Fallen Order, Tom Clancy Wildlands, Jurassic Park: The Game, Outlast, Skyrim, Scorn, God of War and now I’m at Dark Souls: Remastered. Before this journey I was a die hard Rainbow Six player, sinking over 2.300 hours for a stupid rank, getting angry constantly. Now, I enjoy great stories.
And yes, I will replay some of these games! Singeplayer games made me love gaming again!
I went through a similar thing when I was younger. Multiplayer is still cool, but nothing really beats singleplayer
@@chadofastora indeed! I’m still playing a ton of War Thunder. But honestly games with stories are so much better.
You should play Ghost of Tsushima now that it's on PC if you haven't.
@@PureColumbianCocainum1949 I will play it for sure!
I recently dived into Elden Ring (my first souls-like) with little knowledge about the game.
I was thinking it would be an interesting experience to try for a bit.
Now I am considering a NG+ or even a NG+2.
This was me and now I’m on NG+8 try a challenge run it’s some of the most fun I had
I will always argue that Sekiro is more replayable than Elden Ring. I've done 3 playthroughs of vanilla Elden ring and four on convergence even though I had a list of 20 playthroughs that I wanted to do. But because I've seen nearly everything and gone to nearly every POI, I find myself thinking "now what" after every cave or dungeon.
With Sekiro (or every other soulslike for that matter) it tells you where to go and what to do, instead of it being a matter of choosing where to go to farm more levels after the first time. It also helps that the gameplay is insanely fun.
I disagree. I find Elden Ring more enthralling since the tools given to me allow me to play the game in fundamentally different ways. For instance, mages technically need stamina, but if you do a magic playthrough of ER you basically never need to interact with the stamina system. It also helps that within each weapon there are multiple possible builds. Like the Zwei can very easily be used for, jump attack builds, trading builds, and charge attack builds. All from one weapon. It's options like that, that keep me playing.
@@spookzer16 I understand that that's where ER's replayability comes from, however my argument is that I often get lost trying to find new objectives that are both fun and worth my time reward wise. Every time I defeat Godrick or another "region-locking" boss, I often get lost trying to find new objectives. And no matter how many playthroughs I wanna do, I stopped doing them because of that "now what" feeling that eventually gets in the way of the enjoyment that a first playthrough's wonder often has. I think it's the same with other big games that prioritize content variety over other aspects like BG3, Skyrim, and a lot of roguelikes, because I just think that the gameplay isn't fun enough and there's a lot of set-up necessary for second or more playthroughs that I just get too bored with them and stop playing. That's also why I think Sekiro is more replayable because not only is (in my opinion) the gameplay, movement and combat a lot more fun, there's also never a "now what" feeling because there's almost always a clear path that you have to follow. But I do understand the build variety argument and aspects like challenge runs being fun, it's just that I don't get that kind of enjoyment from them.
i can't help but keep replaying Cyberpunk 2077 over and over again, sure it has a ton of content but even besides that i just can't get enough of the world, the music, the gameplay and my hands being robotic... seriously i just really like seeing story cutscenes with me having those gorilla arms because they look so cool
İ need help i just hit 900h on cyberpunk
This is a great thing to see. Idk if it’s my own fault or RUclips having a crappy algorithm but my homepage is always littered with a bunch of substance-less crap. Seeing a video of yours pop up in the midst of all of that is a welcome sight.
I replay Red Dead Redemption 2 multiple times, each time a little differently...
...but I always leave Micah cooking in jail for as long as it takes for Arthur to grow a mountain man's beard.
Content replay value ia worse then fun replay value in my opinion. Games that offer fun, tight pick and play experience tend to value your time and doesnt have bloat. I see so many games coming out recently that are action rpg open world games with so much bloat that its not even fun to get through the first time let alone replaying that game.
I'd rather have a fun well paced game with no bloat that makes me say i wish there was more and eventually get the urge to replay it.
Examples:
Ghostrunner, Spider-Man, Batman Arkham, Jedi games, God of War 3, Doom games, Strider 2014, Bulletstorm, Darksiders 1, Crysis Trilogy, Titanfall 2, COD campaigns, A short hike and pretty much whatever Insomniac makes.
I think my favorite case of replay ability lately in game design is Armored Core 6. There’s three different endings to get, one of which you need to do in ng+3. But in that pursuit you get all sorts of new missions, fights, dialogue, etc. whatever your first ending you get is can be satisfying for people who just want to play once, but the choices you make entice you to want to know what else coulda happened. also Armored Core has what feels like an unending potential for different builds and customization which paired with the super fun and engaging combat make it an absolute joy to replay. Of course fromsoft absolutely nails replay ability of games though but that was an especially incredible case of that in a game design.
Another fantastic video Chad! Definitely rewatchable!
If the aspect of a game that attracts me the most is the story, its usually this games that i give up replaying half way through them. I tend to have a good memory for most things and if i start playing a game, EVERYTHING that happens returns to my mind instantly and it can feel like im wasting my time since i remember everything. branching paths or different builds can really make me stay tho.
I always find myself replaying KOTOR every now and then. It's just fun to play.
Two of my favorite games ever, Skyrim and terraria, have some of the best replay value out there i think.
The process of learning about the game's systems and the world and adapting to things that happen in the games, getting better at them, trying new character builds, approaching progression in different ways.
Not to mention the mass amount of extensive mods for both, skyrocketing the replayability further.
I think what helps games feel more replayable is wide discussion of the games. I probably wouldn't replay skyrim or terraria so often if i didn't get to talk about them with people almost daily.
I love replaying resident evil 2/3 remakes, they’re just so fun and so short when you know what you’re doing (long on first play throughs). It’s like playing your favourite movie on for a night, ya know? Beating RE2 in 4 hours or so feels so satisfying
I guess I didn’t mention it, but 2/3 is a fun back to back experience. Ik 3 remake gets some hate for cutting content from the original, but I still think it’s a lot of fun in its own right
@@chadofastora yeah, honestly RE3 is good when paired with RE2, i bought them in 2020 on sale together and they sorta just feel like their paired together, if i payed full price for RE3, i would have felt sour about it as well
I have just gotten to the point of ng+7 in elden ring and bloodborne, ng+12 in sekiro and ng+3 in ds3 (it was the latest fs game i played) and im striving for max level in elden ring and bloodborne. Shit will take time, 1.69 billion runes is a lot but damn am i loving the elden ring dlc bosses right now.
When you brought up natural replay value I was just waiting for Little Nightmares to show up and it did 10:38. I love Little Nightmares so much more specially I will always come back to Little Nightmares 2 because it’s actually a masterpiece and I love the world it’s set in. I am also super nostalgic towards it and no I’m not gaslighting my self because of nostalgia no idea why people say that. Nestogia is just a product of remembering something you love and get memories to.
I think they have some of the absolute best atmosphere in any game I’ve played
I’ve replayed gloomwood an ungodly amount of times just to see what crazy setups I can pull off, the game is designed in such a way where it doesn’t limit you on how you do things and it opens the player up to do whatever they want with their arsenal, such a good imm sim, probably my favorite one, and it’s not even 25% done as of now. If you’re into stealth, I highly suggest checking it out
Found your channel from the sekiro tier lists, stayed for literally everything else 😌
Cyberpunk 2077 has both artificial and natural replayability, there’s tons of content and many storylines you probably didn’t finish on your first playthrough, but the main reason people keep replaying is because it’s just an amazing game with an amazing world that they love.
Bro good video, and the fact that you used RE4 and Sekiro on it, proves your point, because those two games are the ones I played the most, inlcuding Bloodborne and Doom Eternal
i'm on my second Sekiro run, first was back in 2018. apparently it's back on the interest menu for this month
sekiro is the only fromsoft game i've bothered playing NG+ in. glad to see this video and other comments saying similar things
I've beaten Dark Souls 3 more times than I can count and I still get excited from starting over.
I was like, "Who's voice is that? Why does it sound so familar?"....Nile Red?
Great video~!
I think that makes 6 people who said I sound like Nile Red lmao. I personally don’t hear it, but ig that’s because it’s my voice
He sounds like Kalvish the World of Warcraft PVP streamer
There are very few games that have good replay value based solely on procedural generation. Most that come to mind has something else on top of procedural generation to make it replayable. Rimworld for example, has procedural generation. But it also has a very sandbox structure that makes replay fun. Same with Factorio. HD2 has procedural generation too, but its the gameplay itself that makes it fun. Procedural generation is a small multiplier for replayability and as with any multiplier, if you multiply by 0 you still get 0.
Well said
That Skyrim > Sekiro (replayability) is absolutely infuriating even if Ik it's just an example.
Skyrim has the advantage of 13 years and a shit tons of rerelease.
Skyrim replays are more of a How many mod can I put this time.
Skyrim challenge runs are basically, "how many modes can I install before my computer transforms into the Hiroshima Bomb"
I think that's a bit disingenuous of a take for Skyrim, while the mods do an important part in replaying it, the reason people always come back is the experience and roleplay factors.
(after all the meme is you don't quit Skyrim you just take long breaks)
As for Skyrim re releasing, nothing really was changed outside graphical updates, slight overhauls, bug fixes and the eventual open support/monetization of modding. So nothing there helped Skyrim to have an "advantage against sekiro" why it has an advantage over sekiro is because skyrim appeals to the casual gamer.
Now onto the Soulsborne genre, the games imo are extremely replayable for the style of approaching fights and the feel of combat. Once you get tired of one, you can hop to another and so on and so forth until to your back where u started(I did this for a while after nioh 2 came out).
Both games have different types of replayability and as individuals we have an inherent bias for which one we prefer. Skyrim funnily enough showcases this bias in full frontal because there's a subset of the community that wants to see dark souls combat in Skyrim, but there's also a subset who only really just enhances the graphics and audio to become more immersed in Skyrim by itself.
(Modlists proving this notion with people asking "any modlists for Skyrim that don't have DS combat" I do wanna add that I feel the comparison is dumb and before anyone asks me about the replayability factor, I ask them what their personal taste is just to avoid the Skyrim vs x game debate.)
I would love other videos on more general video game topics like this. You reference so many different games which shows you know whay you're talking about.
For now I’ll still mostly do souls stuff since it’s what my viewers want. But as time goes on I plan to do more stuff like this 👍
The reason why I replay Skyrim so many times is trying different builds. You could be a warrior, archer, mage, summoner, battlemage, thief, assassin and so much more.
Also you could try and find every last thing in the game, yet there will always be more. There will always be items or hidden details that you missed. Hidden bosses too. Skyrim is replayable because of the amount of content.
As always, we all have our opinions. You have yours in this video, and I have mine. Me personally, I couldn't replay sekiro. It's a game you play once and never again.
I think almost any game has replay value if you like it enough. I play Sekiro over and over again because I love the combat and the challenge of beating tough enemies without taking damage. I play Ghost of Tsushima over and over again because I love the dramatic cutscenes, the different paths the conversations take when you choose different dialogue and…most importantly…I love how much the combat changes. Playing GoT on Lethal difficulty is a completely different experience than Easy difficulty with Low Intensity Combat turned on.
*Unpredictability is a surefire way to increase replayability....but linear games at times are so charming, they keep you coming back.... Its an interesting thing.*
I think rougelikes/lites are some great examples of replayability, since their entire premise is that they are to be played many times over.
Definitely a big example I missed
My no.1 game with infinite replayability was armored core series, the other armored core series like last raven, for answer and fires of rubicon has the best multiple ending and new game plus mode, you also have tons of weapons and parts
I think there’s another type of replay value, which is being fully engrossed in the world and characters. Some of my most replayed games are fairly to highly linear, but I enjoyed being in the world and love the characters so much that I return to it often to experience their story again. For example, The Last of Us is one of the games I’ve replayed the most (probably third under Mass Effect and Halo 2) and while I do enjoy the gameplay, I recognize the gameplay isn’t really where it shines mainly, yet I still replay that more often than say something like GTA 5 which is designed and geared toward being endlessly replayable.
@@artheals8869 I do think I kinda made a case for that type with the portal games example, but well said I agree
@@chadofastora yeah after finishing the video I noticed that 😂 but since it wasn’t emphasized as one of the major factors of Replayability I thought I’d mention it anyways
Elden ring is like the exact definition of “Wow,
LETS DO THAT AGAIN!”
i have sunk over 500+ hours in vanilla Terraria over the span of 10 months just because its fun slowly ranmping up the difficulty settings and trying out new classes
Most find CE's 2nd half boring but like you, I also love replaying it. CE's mastery of Legendary difficulty, refined sandbox, intelligent & capable enemies just never gets old.
The more games I've played the more I've started to get bored by it world games. I much prefer a linear, shorter & tighter experience over groaning at a map with a 100 side objectives. My curiosity won't let me not pursue those even if I know they're just not worth .
Fantastic video!!
What you said about replaying dark souls 3 right after beating it is how I felt with the re4 remake, I enjoyed it so damn much because of its combat that I felt like immediately jumping back in. Sekiro I do less replaying the entire game and just re fighting the bosses because it’s so fun and satisfying.
I also hopped right back in with re4 remake. It almost felt like it would be a disservice not to enjoy it more
I honestly think its harder to make a game not replayable for most people. I can go through games over and over again if they were good but some of my favorite games I just cannot stand one or two parts because of how awful that one section is. Warhammer 40k boltgun is an example of this, no matter how many times I google it or do it I just cannot bring myself to replay it because of that one war area with a bunch of doors and bridges I always get lost in for hours.
I'll still play soulsborne games until the end of time, and then keep playing them until TF2 gets an update.
RE2R has a lot of replay value that simply comes from the ranking system. After that first playthrough, you know everything you have to do, and now you can strategize your route and get every key item as quickly as possible to achieve that beautiful S rank. It’s crazy how different of an experience the game is on a repeat playthrough
Both are fun and have intriguing stories tho.
I love that you didn’t say one or the other was bad, just that it’s based on who’s playing it.
Yep, I love both
I play Skyrim and other RPG’s for variety, Souls and souls like games for challenge, shooters for mindless violence, Hitman and MGS for stealth, Rockstar and Sony Games for story, and Cyberpunk because….well, because its awesome.
The amount of times I booted up Sekiro just because it was fun I can’t even count
I wish that Sekiro had a reward for no hitting a boss. Nothing functional, I don't want a powerup. Just something to show you have done it. That is the kind of motivation i need to master a system like that, just a token showing that i *have* you know? It helps me know my progress. And know of it later. It has an impact, having an item to commemorate.
Ya, that would be cool
A way to turn "natural replay value" into something more tangible that the game acknowledges & grades you on is arcade elements like 1-credit runs (or "no continues" if it's a home console/PC game with no literal "credits") or well thought out scoring systems. The latter is relatively rarer outside of shoot-em-ups and their derivatives (you could argue whether Starfox 64 is a "shmup" or not, but it grades your mastery well either way); even great arcade games like Metal Slug can be a slog to score in, and in many arcade games or arcadey console games you're only thinking of score in terms of the extra lives it rewards you and not as a serious competitive challenge. BUT 1CCing more often feels like something a ton of older arcade & console games are designed around. Right now I'm trying to do a full run of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood without continuing, and the game seems designed around that goal (or *set* of goals given the branching paths). 1ups are hidden in various places. Not only does scoring (which grades you on mastery such as the amount of health & weapon ammo you use on bosses, encouraging whip-only runs) give you extra lives but so does finishing a level with full health, encouraging strategic level routing AND boss mastery.
But scoring systems existing purely for the sake of grading mastery is an underrated thing outside of shmups and consciously "80s arcade retro" games and just cuz a lot late 80s/90s games stopped caring & included them in a shallow vestigial way (it stopped being a huge focus as early as Final Fight where where the final big intended goal is just "don't continue", with score pickups being too randomized to make you give a crap), that doesn't mean they can't be used well. Games like the DMC series could benefit from a scoring system that grades you on a mix of comboing, damage avoidance and speedrunning skill simultaneously. Speedrunning excludes expressive combos, and comboing foregoes speed, so why not grade players on perfectly mixing both?
Sekiro was really fun, had 35+ playthroughs, and one day i just stopped playing.
A sort of niche game I've replayed more times than I know is "call of Juarez gunslinger". I've never played a game where the guns felt better. Fresh save, hard mode full story and upgrades then I'll complete all the unlocks in the arcade mode. There's a finite amount of content but I'm always left satisfied once it's all done.
thank you for also focusing on how "artificial" replay value is also good but its a preference for the person and if they enjoy that gameplay loop or not. and i think a lot of the people who hate on "natural" replay value are people who don't recognize they do the same thing with other media theres no difference in watching a movie twice than playing a linear narrative game twice both are artistic experiences and many times although you can never have the same experience a different experience doesnt mean it'll be worse
Hmmm, as somebody who wants to make fun games, my conclusion seems to be a balance between the amount of options you give players to make the game more "imediatelly" fun (or basically a quick, short lasting satisfaction) to the very essence of the game as an experience.
It seems to me the examples you gave us have clear goals for you to do next, eliminating analysis paralysis or choice-making (thus keeping you immersed for longer) because they are (somewhat) linear, and rather choose to improve and polish the one path they put you on, giving weight to every scene.
This is maybe way I managed to finish the whole Bayonetta 1 first playthrough and wanting to go back to it so dearly vs never finishing Skyrim and not wanting to go back to it.
But hey, you can do both successfully, like how Xenoblade Chronicles X makes me miss not having a tv to plug my Wii U to every time I think about my console, and that game was meant to be an MMO style rpg.
I don’t play non co op non party game multiplayer games, it’s the same 10 minute loop of gameplay instead of same 30 hour loop in a single player that also has narrative and interesting changes
Multiplayer games are pointless unless “just trying to fill the time between school and work” is your goal. There’s no art there
ratchet and clank 1-3 had great replay value. humor was on point, gameplay was fun and finally getting the R.Y.N.O was oh so good
Finally, I found all the other people who have replayed sekiro more than any other action game
This is something that needed to be said for a long time. Well said man. 👍
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This is so funny because my top 3 favorite games, one is multiplayer, one is Sekiro which I constantly replay, and the other is new Vegas which I have beaten exactly twice. Yet it remains so pure and perfect in my mind, replaying it never really crossed my mind.
As someone replaying elden ring for the 40th (not exaggerating) time: Content plus it's fun is the best. I'm a nut case that want's one character for every spell class and weapon class. It started with just each build type. Pure str, pure dex, dex/arc, dex/fth and all other combinations. Then it became spells... now it's weapon types... And I may have shit myself when they said the dlc is adding 8 new ones. Man I hope a game I like comes out before I'm done with all those cuz I've been playing Elden Ring damn near none stop sense release.
I’ve been gaming since the beginning of video games, and I agree that replay value is totally subjective, As I’ve played through certain single player modes of games countless times, and I’ve played co-op modes of certain games countless hours, Ultimately replay for me, whether movies, shows, or video games is about entertainment & escapism.
Charm is a player in this too, tf2, now it is a multiplayer so it is inherently repayable but the charm of the characters makes me want to play it
@@SaucedUpStinkyGrandpa True, it feels like re-entering a world you find enjoyable
I play Dark Souls and Bloodborne over and over cause they are fun and digestible.
Elden Ring has more content but I don’t want to have to play through it all again.
The formers however, I can play though in less than a day, enjoy all the content, and still wanna play it again.
You replay Skyrim because you missed content, or you enjoyed the content you experienced. You replay Sekiro because it's revenge time
I personally rarely replay games just because as an artist I put most of my free time in to trying to experience as much new and unique things as possible to broaden my perspective in my art, but I think the values of replay explained in this video are interesting.
@@Lionfrog13 I’ve seen a lot of people share that sentiment in these comments and it makes sense. Sometimes I also feel like replaying isn’t as efficient as trying new things, but personally I can’t help it 😅
Borderlands 2. For me it has both the "artificial" and "natural" replay value. Explaining the replay value of that game alone would probably take an hour or two, plus there's tons of video essays about it. Also the fact that there are some youtubers who are still pulling 100k+ views through this 12 year old game is insane to me.
cheesing sekiro as my first playthrough rn because i wanted to see just how smart others can be with the game's tools and its incredible that it does that(also ultrakill helps out with deflecting) so my second playthrough is going to drag me through the fucking dirt and i can't wait for that attempt
love to see Hollow Knight featured in here. Just finished my first Sekiro playthrough yesterday and the only game that gave me the same feeling of mastery was fully completing Hollow Knight.
You plan to make any Hollow Knight content?
I hate to admit I actually haven’t finished hollow knight yet 😅 but I can tell it’ll probably be one of my all time favorites when I get there. And I’ll most likely make at least a boss ranking or something
@@chadofastora I think you'll really enjoy it once you get to Godhome and are able to fight the toughest bosses. They're no joke.
Haven't watched the whole vid, but as someone that have played Marvel:Ultimate Alliance on PS2 for more than 15 times i can attest the power of "Fun as Replayability Value" 😂
There is a new soulslike called another crabs treasure also available on gamepass i wonder if you plan to make enemy or boss rankings for that
Maybe, it kinda flew under my radar ngl. But once the Elden Ring dlc come out that’s obviously gonna be my main focus for a while
I've replayed doom 2016 countless times because of just how fun I found the game. I think doom 2016 has quite a good amount of variety compared to eternal, as the way the levels play change throughout. every level in eternal is incredibly formulaic and essentially the same thing, everything about that game blends together and feels the same after a while and I personally don't find any fun in replaying if anymore
I find singleplayer games very hard to get into replaying unless it has randomly generated elements akin to minecraft, terraria, dead cells, and maybe the binding of isaac too.
Some non randomly generated games that have combat so good that they became exceptions to what i said earlier would be Ultrakill and Sekiro, although i dont fully replay them, just refight certain bosses(for sekiro) or replay certain levels/endless mode(for ultrakill) all for simple fun even if i dont have much progress and stuff like the sandboxy/rpg games i play.
i remember completing dark souls 3 7 times in a row after i first played it, the game was that good
sekiros my favourite game ever, i dont know why it grips me so much but ive sunk hundreds of hours completing it more times than i can count, replay value is crazy subjective
i have like 100 hrs in every Fromsoftware game just doing no dmg boss rush over and over again and never got bored with it cause its just that good, and now Stellar Blade came out, and i might be replaying it like i did to to FS games cause its just that good and Replay Value is High
My most replayed game is probably Fire Emblem Awakening. I started it when I was about 10 years old, and I've probably played through it around 15 or so times.
I’ve heard nothing but god-tier praise for those games and their replayability
I recommend just about any of them! Have you not played an FE game yet? I highly recommend Awakening, Fates, or Three Houses as a starter FE game.
@@EnGageJackson Sounds good, from what I’ve heard I’ll most likely start with three houses since it seems to be the most beloved
I think that is a great idea. I replayed Three Houses about 7 or 8 times now, no joke.
I thought of this exactly when I replied to a comment yesterday bashing on ds3 because it has "no replayability" and how ds2 has so much better replayability. I simultaneously agree and disagree with that sentiment. I like replaying both of these games but for very different reasons which perfectly fit these two categories. Ds2 has greater artificial replayability through ng+ changes and more build variety whereas ds3 doesn't need that to make me want to replay it because I just love playing the game.
I play Alien Sky for both. Mainly because the last mission is fun.
this is true i have played sekiro 15 times and put over 300h in it
In the end i think it deppends on the player, for example i loved nier automata story and gameplay but i dont find too much fun replaying it, specially the 9s section, or other cases like atomic heart, days gone where i just come back again because i love the setting of this games and combat
Some games have it and some games don’t. I think that’s the best way to sum up a lot of these videos.
Games like Maxpayne 3 and Ghost of Tushmia i games i go back to just for the combat. Games such as Fallout New Vegas, RDR2, Kingdom come, San andreas and Witcher3 are games i go back to for content and case of New vegas, Kingdom come, RDR2 and San andreas are games i go back to for what they allow you to do in their worlds. Skyrim and Bully are also great in that regard. Games like Dishonored 2, Hitman, Manhunt and Spinter cell are games were i really enjoy their stealth so i go back to them.
I had an argument with someone once because i think Bloodborne is more replayable than elden ring and these few first minutes is pretty much how it went. He argued over content and weapon choices in ER and i argued about the shorter and more focused package in Bloodborne.
Dishonored is that type of game for me. I think I have like 31 playtroughs in it. It's very fun
My favorite games are the ones where you explore a new world, and they're basically impossible to replay. Even with the convergence mod, i barely got through my third elden ring playthrough, and its my favourite game ever. Same with totk, dont know if I'll replay that before 50 years
On the other hand, i mustve played ultrakill and doom eternal like 5 times by now
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The games I spent the most time replaying were very linear and didn't have weapon variety. Less is more, I usually judge a game by how it looks and plays instead of what it offers.
Jedi Survivor is a game that i replay for content and fun while Sekiro, MGSV and the Surge 2 thag replay just for fun.
@@theelectricprince8231 The Jedi games have a good mix
Its so strange, I can never convince myself to replay any of thr souls games, Elden Ring, or Bloodborne, yet I've played Sekiro and Lies of P countless times, and Hollow Knight has held my interest for ~450 hours.
I haven't finished the video yet, and I'm aware it's subjective
but "it's fun" win 100% over "content" every time i think about replaying something