Forgotten History: The People Who Successfully Flew Across the Atlantic Before Lindbergh
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024
- Before Charles Lindbergh successfully finished his historic cross-Atlantic flight from New York to Paris on the May 21, 1927, the Daily Mail announced that they would pay £10,000 to the first aviator to successfully cross the Atlantic ocean in under 72 hours. But who were the aviators who accepted the challenge and became the first aviators in history to cross the Atlantic ocean?
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When Allcock and Brown climbed out of the wreckage of the Vimy, a farmer who had witnessed the crash walked up to the two airmen and asked where have you come from, they replied, yesterday we were in America.
I thought this channel had been abandoned. Glad it's still chugging along.
Excellent thank you
Sure wish I could go back in time and see all the things they came up with in these early planes first hand as it’s happening
And then die of an infected wound when you accidentally scratch yourself on a nail. That, or measles.
Don't forget... The past was the worst.
it was Lindbergh's magnificent achievement to cross the Atlantic a mere decade after Alcock and Brown did.
They crashed in an Irish bog and he landed at Paris
@@richland1980 ten years earlier in a much much more basic aircraft.
@@andrewallen9993 And half the distance with two pilots and two engines.
@@nickdanger3802 Yes, Alcock and Brown flew the Atlantic a mere decade after the Wright military flyer broke the world record by staying aloft flying in a circle after a catapult launch for an hour and twelve minutes!
@@nickdanger3802 To put your statement into context Alcock and Brown managed to cross the Atlantic ten years after Bleriot crossed the 25 miles of the English Channel!
Alcott and Brown seem to be of the logic that any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing and if you can use the aircraft again it’s a great landing.
This seems to be clearly the story behind "Those magnificent men in their flying machines"!
That’s still the symbol of the Portuguese Air Force to this day
All the best to everyone
Great video 😁
Thank you.
Excellent video
Our Feline overlords are pleased with you Factboi 😼 !:-)
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So much scientific and technological discoveries and innovations took place in such short period of time. Combining them made even more and better things possible. The 20th century was truly miraculous in this regard. Sadly we also destroyed the planet at the same time.
Yes, I am SO tired of people thinking that Lindberg was the first taprans Atlantic crossing, he was merely SOLO. Alcock and Brown beat him by some 10 years in a Vickers Vimy
If truly the case, then WHY was he FAMOUS...? It doesn't make any sense! According to our "now" history, Lindbergh was like the 100th person to make a trans Atlantic flight. NOT how history works!!! NO ONE remembers the 100th person to accomplish ANYTHING! He would have been a NOBODY; Not even included in the foot notes...Ex: Who was the 100th person to fly a plane...? No one CARES! Who was the FIRST? That's right, the Wright bro's!!! I'm beyond EXHAUSTED with people without any critical thinking skills of their own...
@@brentfarvors192 So you don't think that NY to Paris,(not just "Trans atlantic") solo..is more of an achievement than a crewed aircraft flying HALF the distance (Alcock and Brown - Newfoundland to Ireland) , or a multi stop flight by flying boats... In that case I don't know what to say.
@@trooperdgb9722 NO. It's NOT! Especially when (according to our current timeline), the feat had been achieved multiple times before...
@@brentfarvors192 Well.... pretty much the rest of the world - especially in 1927 when it actually happened - do NOT agree with you.
@@trooperdgb9722 BS!! Mandela Effect!!! ruclips.net/video/tb30jnS4VJs/видео.html
I'd almost given up on this stream. Well done.
I'm sorry you did not name the commander of NC-4, the first plane to fly across the Atlantic. His name was Commander Albert Cushing Read. For a short time he was a huge national hero. A few months later, my Dad was born and was given the first name Read. Soon, Commander Read faded into obscurity. After being bullied in school, "Can you read, Read?", Dad changed the spelling of his name to Reid. Like Commander Read, Dad entered the world of Navy Aviation becoming a Flight Engineer on a Catalina Seaplane just prior to Pearl Harbor. Dad was at Dutch Harbor in the Aleutians on December 7th. Six months later, Nimitz had all the Cats from Dutch Harbor looking for the Japanese heading to Midway when the Japanese Northern Fleet attacked Dutch Harbor. Dutch Harbor told its Cats not to return. Instead of seeking shelter in another Aleutian Island, Dad's crew voted to keep looking for the Japanese even though it meant they would have to ditch in the ocean. As they ran out of gas, they radioed their final position. Being a seaplane, the Catalina managed to tentively land on the water. However, the rough seas of the Northern Pacific quickly floundered the Cat. Fortunately, the entire crew made it into a life raft. For three days they rode the ocean praying that the Americans would find them before the Japanese. Luckily, a destroyer rescued them. Dad received the Air Medal. After a long stay in a hospital to treat exposure, Dad received 30 Days Survivor's Leave. Dad went to Chicago to marry Mom. Then back to Dutch Harbor and the war. What a generation.
Dad was a great father to all five of us. We loved him. Nine more family members were named Reid, after Dad. Including me, my Son, and my Granddaughter (middle name). We all wanted to honor our wonderful Dad. The name covers four generations of our family members.
Thanks to Commander Read, there are a total of ten Reids in our family. Five first name Reids. Five middle name Reids. My son, Reid, followed my Dad into Aviation after receiving Aerospace Engineering degrees from Michigan and Washington University in St. Louis. At Boeing he built F-18s, F-15s and V-22s. Now at Grumman he's building the B-21 Raider.
Today, you can find the NC-4 at the Navy Aviation Museum at Pensacola Naval Air Station. Great museum. The golf course on the Pensacola Naval Air Station is named for Commander Read.
Commander Read reached Admiral and served thru World War 2.
He means a lot to our family. I have his portrait hanging in the hallway of my house.
Thank you for a great video.
Reid.
Also there's an entire list of animals that was sent to space before Laika. Sometimes the way we remember history just has a malfunction for some reason.
BS!!!
It was the first living creature to go into space ‘properly’, rather that straight up and down suborbital flight which barely touches what some refer to as ‘space’.
As Bezos and Branson are doing now.
@@brentfarvors192 actually not. Do some research 🤔
@@howardcroft3748 ROFLMAO!!! After personally knowing the truth, comments like yours make me LMAO!!! You know when they said they were laughing with you...? They LIED!
It is indeed sad that the world that so many of the valiant attempts, successful or not have been eclipsed by Lindbergh's feat. Another forgotten largely today, admittedly post Lindbergh, was Kenyan resident aviatrix "Beryl Markham". In the 1930's she became not only the first woman, but The First Pilot to successfully cross the North Atlantic from East to West, Against the prevailing wind, in her gallant single engine monoplane, "The Messenger". Not only was she the first to accomplish that, she had earlier become the first pilot, to "comercially" fly a paying passenger from Nairobi to London.
"Beryl Marham" was by all accounts something of a pioneer , before taking up flying, having apparently been introduced to it by the legendary "Denys Finch-Hatton", she had become the first woman not only in Kenya, but in the then entire "British Empire", to be granted a licence to train race horses. Again, against the odds, one of her horses, "Messenger Boy" won the Kenya Derby for "The Delamere Cup", the countries most prestigious race. Tragically Beryl Markham was to die virtually penniless and largely forgotten by all, but a few loyal friends, in Kenya..
I have a copy of Beryl Markham's "Straight on til Morning", but I don't recall any claim that she was the 1st to accomplish an east to west flight across the Atlantic.
This feat was in fact accomplished on April 12 -13, 1928 by Hermann Kohl, Erhrenfried Gunther Von Hunefeld, and James Fitzmaurice, flying a Junkers J33.
I always believed it was John Alcock and Arthur Whitten Brown nearly a decade before Lindbourge?
Theirs was the first non-stop crossing of the Atlantic, absolutely. Kinda funny that Lindbergh’s flight is considered “controversial” nowadays! Even when I was a kid-over 50 years after his famous flight-nobody ever claimed that he was the first across the Atlantic, or even the first non-stop flight, but the first *solo* non-stop crossing. Guess I’m living through a time where history is forgotten-or this specific bit of history, at any rate!
@@JosieJOK But actually it was not about solo, it was the first non stop flight between New York and Paris. Lindbergh didn't try to do the first solo flight he did it solo because he decided to take this huge risk with such a small plane. He went all in on a try with low chances to survive. He almost crashed at the start, almost fall asleep during the flight, got bad weather, danger of ice on the plane and he was very lucky to find Paris in the dark to make a safe landing.
It was kind of a Leeroy Jenkins approach and he made it.
That he is so much more famous than all the other pioneers has more to do with the how the newspapers and the press is working.
Please cover Gustav Whitehead, who flew before the Wright Brothers?!
In that case, what about Richard Pearce?
My relative beryl markham , i hope will be. Mentioned in one of your videos amazing story of her flight from east to west ,..
Her life story is preety amazing so be great if you could do a small video to tell her story of her famous crossing.
Mr. B markham
It would have been much more interesting if it had been spoken much slower.
He has a common YT trait, I call it the "If I stop talking, I'll die" Syndrome.
Very few of us knew that the British crossed the Atlantic non stop many years before Lindbergh but because they were not American we are taught that it was Lindbergh who was the first.
Gotta love the cat🙀🙀🙀🙀
Wasn't the wreckage of Nungesser & Khol's airplane discovered in New Hampshire about 10 or 15 years ago?
summed up at the end, we complain, BUT nothing to what the pioneers of flight went through, god rest them all
Still doesn't make ANY SENSE!!! Who was the 50th person to cross the Atlantic in a plane...?
I like how Nungesser and Coli couldn’t be bothered to take their cigarettes out of their mouths for their headshots. Like their cigs are extensions of themselves.
This should have been a collaboration with The History Guy
The sad part is that if you ask any group of people who was first to fly across the Atlantic, you are very likely to be told it was Lindbergh and will be met with incredulity if you try to correct them.
Not so much outside the US
@@kierans1159 I'm in Canada and can assure you that even a "science" show on TV got it wrong.
Haven't watched the video yet but I hope this is Alcock & Brown. Remember reading about them as a kid.
is that an Omega PO?
...Sacadura Cabral and Gago Coutinho was the first flight to use a form of astro-navigation using a adapted sextant...
Nobody ever said he was the first.
Ask any American.
@@AnnaAnna-uc2ff supposedly he was the first *solo*
(unless someone else did and the video tells me so in one minute lol)
@@Durmomo0 first solo non-stop, but not first.
@@AnnaAnna-uc2ff I'm American.
Ask Americans. But then again their education is poor and their history gets re written all the time.
Good video 👍
It literally just got uploaded. You have no clue
20:40 - Bonus facts
I know that these poeple did not fly over the Atlantic before Lindbergh but it’s actually impressive that 2 Lithuanians flew over the Atlantic in 1933 from New York and they wanted to land in kaunas they flew over the Atlantic but died probably due to Germans mistaking them to be enemy planes and unfortunately they were shot down
Seeing the Amerika airship flying away is rather creepy.
what time in the video is it?
@@HenrySchecker It's towards the end. At 20:59.
Riddle me this…who was the SECOND person to cross the Atlantic SOLO?
Beryl Markham?
Bert Hinkler
Clarence Chamberlain- from my hometown!
@@artteacher71 Can you provide more information or ? It seems when you’re the second guy to do something, you’re first loser. 2nd place still had to do everything 1st place place did to achieve the same result, but it’s old news. It’s an adventure to cross the Atlantic NOW in a light piston engine aircraft. Hillary was first to climb Everest, but it was still a big deal for a lot of years to make that trek. Now, unfortunately, any idiot with money 💵, but NO climbing experience can do it.
Thanks for answering a long-time question 🙋♂️. Gotta love the interweb!
Nungesser and Coli might have crashed in Maine.
hang on . so Admiral Byrd wasn't the pilot in North Pole Flight ? . Interesting I didnt know
Wait…pilots disappear over the Atlantic?
Clearly, they were kidnapped by Aliens!
AM I RIGHT, SIMON!
I can just hear Simon now:
"NO, Colin! You're NOT RIGHT! It's NOT Aliens! It's NEVER ALIENS, Colin! What is WRONG with you?!" ;-)
@@willmfrank 😂🤣😂🤣
So a few months ago my mom was throwing away old newspapers and so I looked through them and found two papers of the same kind and they were from 1927 when Charles lindenberg flew into Paris from traveling around the world how rare could this paper be one of the papers is in perfect condition and the other is in good condition
Once again, SOLO flight over the Atlantic. Blimps, airships & multi-crew aircraft had made the trip- it was the solo aspect that made it an extreme acomplishment.
Correct, this guy (liberal limey) seems to have forgotten that tiny tidbit of information.
That's nothing. I once flew across the Atlantic while taking a nap half the time. I even watched a movie and played a game on the screen. What's so difficult?
Just another addition to the list of American fantasy accomplishments / inventions....like baseball, apple pie, television, automobiles, basketball.....etc.
Don't forget invisible aeroplanes 😙😍😍👯🥳🏝️🤣🍊🤑🤑😉
Lol wtf is this comment… baseball and basketball both created in the us and part of American culture so there you go you lied on that. Nobody says apple pie is an American invention, more so was American culture. And nobody says autobiles or television (even though that has a case) so wtf are you talking about
@@projectc.j.j3310 baseball..
English invention around 1600s I believe....basketball...invented by a Canadian ( James Naismith)...television..Scottish guy John Logie Baird...want to continue??
How about Edison not actually inventing anything, but working in a patent office and stealing claims before they wee patented
@@TenBuckCanuck no baseball was not created in England. That’s not even the same sport so again where are you even getting this😂 and dr Naismith was also American and created basketball in America how isn’t that an American invention. And didn’t really find any evidence that Edison was just a normal guy who worked at a patent office and he clearly did research, overrated but idk about that. But how about the app your on, how about the internet your on or most components to your cell phone? Stop making up things cause you’re insecure
@@projectc.j.j3310 do some research kid, you're spouting garbage.
Really? Well, that's nothing. My Big Brother Selvest drank all the water in the Atlantic and walked from New Jersey All The Way To Italy!
Lindbergh made the first non stop flight from New York to Paris. He got the $25.000 for this accomplishment. It was a record breaking distance at this time but doing it solo was nothing that made senses in a way that anybody would try to repeat this or make it a normal thing. Doing it solo was more or less stupid and a huge risk. You don't fly 33h without sleep in a plane without autopilot. With a little bit less luck, Lindbergh would be a point in history like the guy who was the first jumping from the Eiffel Tower in a wing suit (Franz Reichelt).
New York to Paris is a first but only a record until somebody makes a longer distance so the only important first that stays is "solo over the Atlantic".
It's also a typical American thing to move the goal post to a position where it fit's the situation and declare a winner and everything before and after isn't worth so much.
The space-race had seen the first rocket into space, the first satellite, the first man in orbit, the first man on the moon, the first space station and a lot more. And the winner is...
Also Flight was invented with balloons, controlled air ships, controlled gliders, planes starting from high up or catapult, planes starting at level under their own power.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_firsts_in_aviation
And the winner is...
I think giants are standing on the shoulders of giants but there is no winner.
But surely a heavier than air aircraft, taking off from ground level under its own power...and flying in a CONTROLLED way is indeed a magnificent "First" And THAT is definitely an achievement first made by 2 Americans.. Wilbur and Orville Wright. Europeans talk of Alberto Santos Dumont..but HIS first "flight", made well after the Wrights, was a straight line hop..and had to be because his aircraft, the 14-Bis, was NOT actually controllable. When the Wrights finally went to Europe and demonstrated their lengthy, cross country flights and total control...european aviators were amazed, and rightly so. One prominent French aviator summed it up by simply saying "We are beaten".
My father used to ask our older relatives which they'd seen first a car or a plane. The natural follow up question was when did you see the other.
One elderly cousin, she died at 105, saw a car pre WWI, but didn't see an airplane until the 1920s.
She and her husband were going up to Dover, Delaware to get supplies. They noticed a large crowd looking onto the grounds of the DuPont mansion. They heard the drone and saw a plane land on the DuPont lawn.
The plane was Spirit of St. Louis, and the pilot was Lindbergh just after he returned to the U.S. by boat from France.
That is really cool. I drive past where the Spirit of St Louis was built every day. It baffles my mind we were able to fly transatlantic nonstop 100 years ago.
@@zulimi What’s truly mind-boggling to me is the fact that mankind went from Kitty Hawk to Mare Tranquillitatis (where the Moon lander is) in about 66 years or so.
We went from literally being unable to have controlled, sustained flight to being able to go to the Moon in a single lifetime.
Lindbergh was just the first to do it right. I don't consider island hopping to be an transoceanic flight no matter the number of islands or accumulated distance. It has to be direct continent to continent, though it need not be between cities or across the middle, remote shorelines are generally acceptable. (This begs the question of the bearing straight, is it transoceanic? It divides pacific from arctic oceans so might not be considered an ocean at all.
By that measure, regular commercial transoceanic flights didn’t happen until the late 1960’s…
@@allangibson2408 The first passenger carried from NewYork to Germany non-stop was in June 1927, And the graf Zepplin had regular service about 1930.
But overall yes it is true commercial heavier than air service favored shorter legs where practical until jets were very mature. But for economical reasons, not technological limits.
The fuel:payload ratio climbs exponentially with non-stop distance reducing profit. Especially with slower unpressurized aircraft, which do not have the added maintenance/life-cost per pressure cycle, and being slower they see proportionally less travel-time impact from a fuel stop.
@@allangibson2408 Who cares?
First solo flight.
Only ever heard Alcock (of Alcock & Brown) pronounced All-cock, until now.
Lindbergh’s flight was ultimately more significant more for its effects upon the industry, than for what it accomplished in itself. It encouraged entrepreneurs to strive toward routine long-range air travel.
Clearly alcock and brown had their engine timing too retarded. They need to advance the engine timing a tiny bit so more combustion would be completed in the chamber instead of melting their manifold with unburned fuel.
Whose idea was to bring their freaking cat
The R34 had a stowaway on board on its trans-Atlantic flight.
I heard Muhammad Ali was the first man to fly across the Atlantic ? Then I found out it was Alcock and Brown... Ah well... close enough :-)
Glorified kites is right !
Oh sure, let me just cross the 2nd largest body of water on the planet with an airplane the equivalent of a tinkertoy made of rubber bands and plywood.
Some people will go down in history by any means required
Truly. I wonder if those planes were even tried on the same distance journey over land first... 🤔😳
@@estudiordl To be fair it's hard to find uninterrupted distances on land comparable to the span of the ocean. Maybe somewhere over central asia sure but at the time that was territory controlled either by the brand new Soviet Union or Chinese warlords.
And more than a few of them went down in history because they went down in the Atlantic...!
@@samwill7259 Actually really easy to get that distance over land, just fly in a big circle or an out and back. The airplane only knows hours and air miles, surface distance is not relevant.
@@mytech6779 In a technical sense, yes. But it looks much less impressive in the newspapers which would be the whole point of the exercise.
They should have brought a dog.
The Wright brothers were NOT the first to achieve powered flight. But they were the first Americans. So that's what counts.... right?
Define "powered flight"? The Wrights were indisputably the first to achieve properly CONTROLLED powered flight. (Which is really what mattered of course.. Alberto Santos Dumont, some years AFTER the Wrights first flight, could only manage a straight line hop..STANDING UP in his "14 Bis") If the Wrights were were NOT the first to truly "fly" ..then where are the records of COMPETING longer duration, cross country flights in, say, Europe..PRIOR to their flights? If what you say is true, why did Leon Delagrange, a prominent French aviator say , after witnessing Wilbur Wrights flights in France in 1908 declare " Nous sommes battus!" (We are beaten!) Why was he awarded the Legion of Honour by the French Government? The other aviators of the time recognised the Wrights achievements...its amazing that people today want to argue the point.
Yeah they really were… lol the whole idea they weren’t is mostly bs
Hummm, cat's don't like to fly, they might be on to something. I doubt they like TSA agents either.
There is no such thing as jettisonable landing gear, if you get rid of it in flight it is take-off gear. Duh.
Perhaps he should have said "undercarriage".
Stop calling people by their last names. Call them by their first names.
"Ever since humans learned to fly..."
Funny, I could never get the hang of it. No matter how hard I flapped my wings, I could never manage to fly further than your average chicken...Do you guys even look at these scripts before you hand them over to the stunningly oblivious Simon?
well England isn't in Europe it's an island in the Atlantic.
Clickbait from Simon, pretty typical
Wright brothers weren't also the first to fly a plane
No, but they were the first to brag about it! And as Christopher Columbus observed, that's what really counts!
No one performed manned flight before they did, or are you talking about someone flying a toy?
@@rich7787 😂🤣🙃🤣😂
@@rich7787 That's the trouble? It should be: 'Manned; powered and controlled flight'. Others had successfully carried out one or two of these criteria earlier than the Wright's. But for one or two, you don't win the coconut?
@@danieljob3184 more so they were the actual first to fly a plane… lol your slow if you count the others
What's up for the last line of the I'll be video.What's up for the last line of the I'll be video. #CatsRule!
What a pleasure to hear an English voice instead of that grating American sound full of mispronunciations. However, can I implore you to PLEASE SLOW DOWN. There is simply no reason to try and speak at such a frantic pace.
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Lindbergh's flight was billed as the first SOLO flight. The achievement of doing it without rest when flying was a physical activity ( no auto pilot), was an amazing accomplishment. This was another attempt to rewrite history and discredit those who have achieved. You failed.
So which part hurt your feelings cupcake? The fact that the video accurately reported aviation history? That's not rewriting history it's acknowledging all of the history of attempting to cross the Atlantic.
@loving tennessee Any time you want cupcakes, I'll be more than happy to feed them to you. Along with some historical accuracy over click bait titles.
Ah but Lindbergh was American and America wrights the history now days.
Writes not Wrights, unless you were trying for a play on words? Plus Lindbergh was rich and Americans love to suckle the rich mans teat.
@@projectc.j.j3310 Say's America which as actively been rewriting its History for years and currently bans certain teachings of it....
Oh and its Dipshit not dipshi
This is real Septic baiting stuff. Then again, many of them "know" Henry Ford invented the automobile. Oh well.
Henry Ford did invent the automobile, Edison invented the lightbulb, and Paul Revere invented the cotton gin.
Skeptic
@@snowdog03 WW2 rhyming slang - Septic Tank = Yank
FOAD Tosser
Wha! First like!?! Never happens
Simon, what drugs are you on? I'm a loyal viewer of 7 years and am aghast at the canned autocue narration, I quit after 5 min. . Can you possibly go back and give us something authentic again?
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