The Car Market Is F#@%ed | It's WORSE Than We Thought
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Today on the Daily News You Can Use, Ray and Zach discuss the latest news on Ford sales and juxtapose it with days on market. Tune in to learn more! 
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It doesn’t matter if the prices are coming down if they are still 20k too high.
It does matter.
especially on used stuff.. truck especially.. 2018 ram diesel 3500, 55K miles trucks are at least 20K to sometime 30K TOO high when you figure normal depreciation from MSRP.. I like to do the OTD,, out the door, pricing on new and used. Right now if I was buying new with no trade, come in at 25K under MSRP OTD and say take or leave adn walk the F out.. had one dealer chase me out to the car and say ,, what can we do to make this deal.. I was like take the deal.. thats the deal.. they called back later that night and took the deal.. bought a 8 month old car with 12k miles for half of MSRP.. this was 2008 chev impala LTZ..
@@thejuicerrGo back to selling vehicles you salesman
@@johndavid4072 hahahaha
Trucks are 50g too high
I love the way Ray talks to his son. He misses him. Great dad. That’s the main reason why I watch the videos, plus the car market advise, of course.
I already bought my car a month ago after using y’all as the best teachers on what to do (and what not to stand for!) and yet I still find myself loving your videos and watching them purely for entertainment and as a 41 yr old woman who has never given a single flip about cars that’s saying a lot!
Got to love the sensational headlines everyday. How much more f*d are we than yesterday
almost bot-like
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as long as it keeps getting more and more f'd till nov, we'll be good! Lease is up nov 10th
every day
Click bait
All their videos
They have turned into "those" type of youtubers
Thanks car edge. I saved almost a million dollars on my 2020 Bugatti last week. I just walked in and said Zach from car edge said I want the out the door price. The salesman brought me some caviar and champagne and said if Zach sent you we can do it for 1.8 million out the door. Handed him a briefcase and was on my way.
Lol😂
Insurance is up more than that from 2022 to 2023 My insurance went from a 160 to 290 With no accidents, no speeding tickjust went up almost double USAA.
Contact your local representative and tell them what’s up!
Thats your problem , your insurance is with USAA . GEICO hasnt raised mine , EVER
USAA was over charging me too. I switched and now pay 80 a month. USAA is not what it used to be.
To be fair they raised me from 90 to 160 for no reason. I started looking to leave around 2021 and after checking quotes every 6 months it took 2 years before someone beat them. Progressive. I also moved my house over. But yeah 80 a month now.
Dmv registration higher too (California)
I walked through a Carmax lot today and didn't even buy anything, but just looking at the prices they were charging made me feel violated.
Car Max gives a better trade, but their vehicles are usually 10 percent higher
@@eseir64 Yep, that's the balance for CarMax and always has been for the last few years: We'll give you a great trade price, but you'll pay more for what we sell you.
@@lego4virgo I go there to drive a few cars to get a feel for them while I get my appraisal. I then find take the Appraisal for a dealer trying to offer less. It always works when they are trying to lowball you. I never tell them what they are offering until they come in with their BS offer-
I don’t understand Carmax high pricing. Customers these days know what cars are worth.
@@ayo9057 Their pricing is based on their passing the costs of paying more for a trade-in, having warranties, etc. to the consumer. And they also feel that since they don't do any negotiations, perhaps they feel that's a 'service' worthy of higher price, and people seem to want that.
Consumers should collectively pause all purchases from all brand dealers, for one week, or month, and see how the "market" would be forced to respond.
It would never happen.
This is like the calls to stop buying gas for a week.
it didn't work. During the covid, the price went batsht up. At first the demand was high and the supply was down so it justified the price. However, later the sales tanked but not the price. I hear stores with months without selling any car.
Peeling the onion back on anything will show nothing is as it seems. Its all up to you how many layers you can handle before the tears start flowing
Nice analogy!!
I went to Honda of winter haven today… in Florida 14 APR 2024…. They wanted 48k for a CR-V… they had the little addendum sticker on them… 48k for a CRV …unbelievable… I drove away fast….. went to CDJR… the wanted 42k for the base grand Cherokee….. where are these lower prices.???
My wife gotta loaded C- RV hybrid sport.L $38k out the door, Southern California. The dealership was empty on a friday night.
Bro, you have to negotiate. Basically just came back from honda. They gave me price 34k for honda civic sport at the beginning. I laughed out loud there. After 5 min of negotiations I got 26,5 k out of the door price. For what I said, that I will look what other dealers could offer to me. After what I got 25,5k final. And even after that I just walked away. I think I can push them for 1k more. Chicago,IL
love to hear a dad miss seeing his son.. and the sons reply... that says a lot about them as humans.. thanks for that.. :) such good info..
Zach enjoy every moment with dad while you can, my pops passed way too early 😢
Thanks for the continued update!!
My neighbor sold his rotton Silverado. Frame wouldn't pass a safety. Thought the chap bought it for parts. The truck is still on the road with fake plates and certainly no insurance. The cost of living is at full crazy.
Ford sales are “up” most likely with fleet customers, ie car rentals and ride share/hailing.
Those numbers don’t include private owner sales.
I bought a 2024 Ford Ranger three weeks ago. I love it so much. It was half the price of the F150 and it's a cool, little truck.
Thanks for sharing the view with us Ray!
So car prices are going down but gas is going up. Can’t ever win😢
it is the start of summer, gas goes up this time of year, every year. More people are driving, demand determines supply cost.
@@batsonelectronics Yes, they say this and we all go sure. However the price just shot up overnight. Obviously the fuel in the large tanks didn’t just go up in price. Also, I was watching the price of crude about a year ago. The crude price went up and up and no change at the pump, actually it came down. I’m afraid the price is more controlled than us little people will ever fully understand.
@@Random_DIY yes it is controlled, by the people who make gas. Nothing has changed about that, people just keep paying the higher prices so they keep raising them. When demand goes down, the prices follow. Demand is not down.
@@batsonelectronics I wish it was just the people who make it. Obviously, OPEC is a monopoly to try and control the price.
It’s $6.00 in Los Angeles
Ray I’m with you !!
.I owned a Mini Cooper and loved it so much. It was so fun to drive I live in the foothills of northern CA. That car could really scoot around the winding roads. I had my car for three years. It caught on fire in the parking lot after I turned off the engine. I had no warning at all that something was wrong. I found out that there were car fires in the Minis from overheated auxiliary fans. I miss my Mini. Loved that car 😢
had it for 3 years. Unfortunately it caught on fire and went up in flames. I was devastated.
Please buy a new Mini ❤ (as an owner of some BMW stocks I have to write it down 😁)
Thank you for all the information. Love to see you guys
Car insurance up since so many people "DUMPED" their insurance during Covid and never picked it back up. When mine went up last year Approx. 60% of the difference was in "uninsured Motorist"!!!
And we all know uninsured motorist is a scam!
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Ray !!! Pull up off Zach !!!! Zach , you’re BLESSED to do what you do with Dad ❤❤
Much love to all of your family
Greg
$2000 for a 2 year extended warranty is not a savings.
I've never known anyone who successfully utilized an 'extended warranty/extended service contract'.
Maybe it's just me, but I avoid them.
@@NVRAMboiWhy a buy extended warranty the car is under warranty from the manufacturer. People dumb
People dumb
No max production. Michigan area workers are not working extra shifts. Some suppliers are cutting positions.
thanks. good luck to you.
I work for a supplier. For the first time in 7 years, we are not working mandatory overtime. I'm working a 40 hour work week. Unheard-of.
I've learned so much from you guys. I almost bit the hook 2 years ago. Didn't understand the different discounts, rebates, day availability, days on lot. Dealers are willing to deal. Personally, we're too far apart. But, I've developed a relationship now with a few. They're people too.
Fortunately for me, I drive a very nice Lexus RX 350 that's only a few years old and is paid off. I paid cash. I also have a very nice late model Tundra V8 that I paid cash for also. I did this before all he'll broke loose and things got out of hand. Additionally, since I'm in my 60's and both of my vehicles are low mileage, I don't plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime since there's no need.
That's a great plan. I think there are probably several here who are doing the same or trying. We are. Intentional decision back in late 2018/early 2019 before the defecation hit the ventilation.
I too own my last Lexus, most likely. A 2015 GX460 CPO off lease in 2018. Cash. Love it. She's worth not much less than I paid and I am delighted every time I start up that lovely V8.
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Yep. I bought a cheap little Honda Fit in 2018. It averages 38-40 mpg. I'm 58, I'll drive that thing as long as humanly possible.
I bought a coworker's 2012 Fit for cheap, then it hailed and I basically paid nothing from the insurance claim. Will drive it forever. Use the money to buy a 2006 Tundra 😅😁
Likely the vehicles waiting fpr upgrade and inspection were classified as WIP (work in process), not finished to the point of releasing to official stock.
Maybe it's just me, but as far as Stelantis goes, if online advertised price showed big enough discounts to bring people in, maybe they would sell more. When I see MSRP - $2500, it isn't enough to waste my time. Even if the dealer will get you to MSRP - $10k.
The entertainment is the banter between the dad and son back and forth! And we learn as well...
On a specific model I've been watching for 2 years. It has come down on the manufacturer's website. It's down $2/week financed. That drop happened in the last 30 days. You can get deals if you go into a dealership and dance. Like stocks, I'm waiting for the floor. My vehicle is older, but still runs.
I went to Toyota Direct in Columbus, Ohio, today to test drive a couple of vehicles, and inventory is way down. There's not much to pick from at all, in my opinion.
Every empty parking lot in the city of Dearborn is full of brand new F-150s piling up
Called a Dodge dealership about a 1 of the 5 2023 Challengers they had on the lot. Salesperson didn't even want to talk price negotiation. Guess 6 months on the lot isn't motivating enough.
The production line never stops. It slows down sometimes, but it never stops. Except for breaks, but other than that, it never stops.
Entire plants shut down
@@anthonyman8008right, exactly. Whole towns get deactivated.
I work in the automotive industry. I see shifts cut all the time. We have had multiple volume up projects canceled due to lack of ev sales.
Maybe day supply is of bc they are trying to take more orders instead of floor planning? At least in my area in western PA. I work at a small used dealer but have past sales people telling me are selling order inventory not so much in stock units
They are running plants wide open. In the KC area, there are F150 and Transits sitting everywhere. I drove by a closed auto auction filled, a drive in theater filled and no less than three lots that are fenced in and stacked in a 30 mile drive yesterday. The Kansas Speedway was loaded along with the theme park here. I have been in the car world my entire career along with working in 2 auto plants. I don't get what they are doing.
Prices are coming down yes.
For car that nobody wants. Desirable common cars like toyotas hondas and lexus are still at same prices, some even still have markups
I entered into agreement today for a Lexus ES at considerably below msrp.
@@drbcrb Congrats cause that is not an easy find.
Not universally true. But it is frustrating that most all MFR 2024 MSRP's went up (by any amount).
My insurance company told me my insurance was going up because "everybody's is" and the cost for repairs is going up.....?
Me also. 20 %
True our country isn’t the same and afraid times won’t get better with how our government operates
Right. Even though "the age of the avg vehicle on the road right now is 12.5 years old" (meaning, LESS expensive than most newer models, though part and labor costs have gone up).
If they can't get you through the front door, they'll sure come in the back way.
@NVRAMboi exactly! Car industry is a shady secretive rip off. I don't mind paying a fair price for a vehicle or a fair price for repairs, but my dealership just charged me 190.00 to even look at the vehicle for diagnostic. When I'm 190.00 in the hole before it even gets repaired, and then their labor rate is 150.00 an hour to repair it plus parts I have only one thing to say.🖕
Yup. My insurance company raised our bill for 4 cars, between my wife and I and 2 kids, up 140.00 in one bill cycle. Been a customer of theirs since 1996 and have home insurance with them too. Was told cost of repairs and theft was the reason. BS! Read a couple months after that my insurance company claimed a 6.3 billion loss last year because of hurricanes etc... all I can say is dirty pool State Farm!🖕🖕
1 in 5 drivers in Florida do not have any insurance. That's one main reason we lead the nation in paying the highest insurance!!
Probably more than that.
They charge way too much. It should be illegal to rip people off like insurance companies do
1 in 2 drivers in New Mexico do not have insurance, as well as no registration. Albuquerque has THE highest auto theft in the nation - if you pass through (via I40 or I25) - keep on going. If you stop the night, your vehicle will get stolen.
“Newcomers” aren’t allowed to get insurance.
Michigan pays the highest car insurance in the nation.
Today (Sunday 4/14) I went to a Ford dealer in Waterford (Michigan) to look for a pre-owned car I was interested. The parking lot was huge and there wasn't any room to drive around. This tells me the inventory data is correct.
I live in Texas and in 2008 I used to sell cars. How do I get the best deal? Should I buy a used Honda or a New one?
The car companies are gonna suffer in the long run ,Many people who bought during the 💩 show are out the game. I been looking to buy my wife a Lexus 350 but refuse to pull the trigger right now her 2015 is running fine just wanted a newer one I can buy it cash but refuse I will sit back & watch the circus for now
26k for a Corolla is not a deal. My friend bought a new 2011 Corolla at the time for 14k even with inflation, double?! In 13 years is insane. Has salary doubled since then? No maybe went up 15%
I read an article from Kiro 7 news in Seattle WA and they said that Onstar (?) was selling their drivers habits to 3rd parties and that was why her insurance had increased so much. They had a link to Nissan”s data that they share with 3rd parties and Nissan would sell your pretty much everything and anything they know about you .
I've been watching your channel for a few weeks now. Since watching and enjoying. I've been driving into my local dealerships to see all the 2023 inventory. Ford was one of the dealers that had the most inventory of F150s with a price range well over $50K .
Now, somehow, literally overnight, all the 23s have vanished .The lots are now suddenly filled with 2024s. I call BS . How did they magically get rid of all that inventory overnight? Honda now has 2025 Pilots in lots.So that type of inventory will change things for sure. Good luck shoppers!
Pull out the 2018 price tag slap it on any truck and I’m interested otherwise no thanks
In 2018 America had a Real President who knew what it took to run a country! Today we have a potato trying to destroy it.
💯#TRUMP2024🇺🇸
@@riseharris5204 🤮🤮🤮
@@riseharris5204 How did the horse wormer work out on your covid?
@@653j521 Ivermectin is one of the World’s 10 essential drugs for human consumption. Guess the fake news conveniently left that out. But, I never got the jab so I never came down with the Chyna Virus.
@@653j521That horse wormer has a Nobel prize for helping humans. Willing to bet they are doing alright. How is feeding hormones to kids going? Still 50/50 they will self cancel?
I would’ve got a ford maverick but Msrp 24k sticker 30k out the door 44k
2 months. In the next 2 months Dealerships will start to miss floorplans. When the banks take new cars off the lot and sell them at use car auctions for half value, the end begins. One dealership is not a big deal. 5 dealerships is a huge deal. Once they start failing, the dominoes fall.
To be fair, I hope I am wrong. I want dealerships to go out of business, but this could turn into a full meltdown.
Car dealers had plenty of opportunities to decline these overpriced vehicles all along knowing that they were severely priced above what most buyers are willing to pay. The automakers would have listened because they have no other way to sell vehicles. Bottom line - dealers got greedy and went along with the plan. Problem is - the buyer stopped the music unexpectedly. The next few years will be all kinds of tomfoolery to hide the truth - cars are overpriced, quality is down, EVs were a massive miscalculation and probably won’t be sellable en masse for another 10 years, and the entire auto making and selling model only failed hard now because the deeper design all along has been for ALL makers to have to make fewer to sell and price higher more so people can’t afford them. A grand scheme to re-introduce subscription car sales so not so many people actually own the cars. The only stop to that plan is buyers holding out long enough for automakers and dealers to run out of money so they have to return to selling in volume at lower prices. Buyers shouldn’t blink. This is a multi-year battle for how things are going to go in the long run.
GREAT explination. I just got off the phone with a chevy dealer. He said that the prices were already under MSRP. I was like, "Ill wait you out, you have 18 2500s sitting there and the one I was is on day 71." He had no response and I told him to call me when the next price drop hits. It has had 6 drops so far. F them. They were robbing us during the pandemic.
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Beautiful Jersey shore sunset!!! 🌞
Congrats on 4.5 years... Much appreciated
Drop the price / they will sell
I thought you’d find this interesting: Planet Ford in Houston is offering me a new 2023 Lightning XLT for $47k drive out! They also have a used one with 2k miles for $44k drive out.
You’d probably be better off buying the new lightning with 0 miles and a better APR rate like 1.9 for 72 months compared to the used lightning.
New car prices plus car insurance is the number one reason why I won't get a loan I will pay cash on a used car well before that
😢love the father son relationship, y’all are great
I do enjoy your videos and I hear what you're saying but I don't these current prices are low enough for the current inflation and the wage drop across the nation
Enjoyed the show. Ray was hilarious. 😎
There was also alot of videos showing F150s parked all around Detroit waiting to be shipped. Apparently they are shipping now.
Question All of our cars have given out except our 2006 Subaru Forester with 285,000 miles It is having issues as expected so we need to get a new car. What would you recommend to buy We live on a fixed income and need a car that can handle snow here in MT,
Acura mdx awd 2016-2022(very solid car and handling off road very well). If you want something brand new and with same price tag, than honda hrv 2024 any trim with awd. Price for them 20-25k
Already seeing 0% which means they’re not gonna take any of the price. I’m surprised they’re still sales people still around. Have a couple of folks handling the purchases. Keep inventory up, upfront no haggling set price (like Saturn did) and no finance charges. If it doesn’t move, mark it down like clothing.
You focus on days supply, but what was typical pre-COVID?
Anyone getting any good deals on a Telluride? They don’t seem to ever be mentioned on these shows. Of course that’s the car I want.
Ive been watching a few cars that im interested in and the prices are going down. After each week it goes downa couple thousand. So its true i believe the deals will be getting better. Best bet get approved at a credit union for a better rate rather than the dealership rate.
EXTRAP YOO LATE - a new word from Ray. I think the word is "extrapolate" Mr. Shefska
People just wandering around looking at window stickers are not likely to see lower prices. You have to go in and actually deal with a slimy salesman
Sales can be up while inventory increases IF shipments to dealers increase faster than sales.
I can say ford dealerships where I am in Massachusetts lots are full where Chevy,Toyota and dodge are empty
We are working 5days 10.5hr shifts here at ford...
Up your exercise, Ray! Stay around for a long time!
Wouldn’t it make sense that cars produced in the US would reach dealers faster than imports and increasing supply.
And you would think the handling / delivery fees would be cheaper.
Live, it's Saturday night Live.
Stellantis got sued a few years ago for booking sales when they transferred the vehicle to the dealer and it moved on paper to their credit arm. They are not doing that anymore. I'm pretty sure GM has been doing same thing for decades but not to the same extreme as Stellantis and has not been sued so they keep doing. I'm guessing Ford is same
All the Germans did it for awhile, too.
any suggestions on buying a used truck, i need one as my trucks engine is busted, i am willing to wait for 6 months
Buy one used cash
I just got a great deal on a used Lexus at a Lexus dealership and traded my garbage, nothing but problem's 2021 Dodge Durango
R/T and got the full balance from them to pay off the lease. No.negative equity to carry over. I tried so many other dealers, and nobody would give me anywhere near the payoff amount. This dealership was very busy. Maybe Lexus is a different animal compared to the US domestic auto market. I'm glad to be rid of that gas hog and high payment.
Ray "interest rates may not come down this year" me...buying bonds immediately. yields gonna plunge now.
Toyota Crown is a good car but it lacks a hatchback. Would have been a winner if they had just done the hatch versus the pass trough trunk.
Do you have videos on buying used or new EVs, particularly Tesla in today’s market?! Thanks.
I believe that the disconnect is that Ford counts the vehicle as sold when it is pushed to the dealer. You are measuring the sales to the consumer. You have the real numbers.
Y'all missed something with insurance. Insurance prices have soared because the nature of traffic flows have changed (which has also greatly increased road fatalities, now comparable to 1963 levels). Prior to the pandemic, roads were fairly empty most of the day in most places outside of rush hour, when everyone was nose to tail and totally jammed. Outside of certain places, this is changing. We now see that rush hour is far more diffused and much longer, meaning that busy but smoothly flowing and fast moving traffic is the norm throughout much of the day, leading to a shift from mostly fender benders to big, expensive wrecks, of the type that often kill or maim people, unfortunately, but also smash up the cars far more severely.
Car insurance is not soaring in profit because insurance is regulated in the maximum price because insurance is a weird industry where economies of scale essentially go to infinity, meaning that it breaks the normal rules of competition.
Authoritarian lockdowns don't begin with the letter 'p'
@@unconventionalideas5683insurance is indeed soaring. Spying on people is used as an excuse for rent seeking.
Is that 7% off before or after taxes ?
What are the odds used V8 Tundras will go down later this year?
We are checking off the days toward the introduction of the 2025 F150’s and they are still trying to unload 2023’s. 😅
Ray Shefska is a vocal doppelganger of the beloved actor Wallace Michael Shawn. ❤
the car industry will have to offer better rates on car loans now, hopefully 0% interest and a lower price too
Agree with Rayregarding the insurance companies. My cars have lost value over past couple years but rates have jumped biggly!
Repair costs are way up. EVs in a fender bender often get totaled.
@@VideoArchiveGuy i dont have an ev and my parts are not way more expensive. The increase in labor costs are not comparable to rate increases. My cars are worth less and will total out for less than 2 yrs ago yet rates r higher
Biggly,Sounds like we have the “Donald” on line!
@@anthonyjoyce7198We need him in the WHITEHOUSE
you guys live in the most expensive areas and you say you aren't making money? stop the bs..
All the respect for Ray who's windows are as dirty as mine. 😁
They are indeed filthy at the moment. They are working on the balcony restoration project on my side of the building at this time, so I have to wait until they finish before I can clean them. All the best, Ray
Who is windows?
Many people don't realize that consumers determine car prices like everything else. Stop paying these ridiculously high prices and the price comes down.
There isn’t a deal to be had in the Denver and surrounding areas. Rocky Mountain Dealer Association keeping prices artificially high by insisting all members maintain high “market adjustments”. Ford dealers are keeping the pre-price reduction window stickers on the Mach E’s and Lightnings. I can wait.
Why would you buy locally? Shop nationally.
Better with the blinds open me thinks 😊
I want to buy a Nissan KICKS at a great price... plz tell me how 😅😅
So I feel like that these factory deals and dealership incentives don't actually help that much. They look nice until you, as you stated, peel back that onion layer.
I was at a carmax yesterday,, why WOuld "Anyone" pay the prices they want... Its Insane. Let them go broke
The suckers are still buying them
I missed you guys. A combo comedy and car chat. You should keep an eye on Zach though. Don't turn your back on him.
@@donovanh7878 I used to be cute like that, now I look like Ray......Just kidding Ray....love ya man.
It appears, (at a glance) the less expensive cars are selling faster than the higher priced cars, (Ford Trucks). Go figure.
Ah who does no like click bait. Of its not "bad" or "F#***" or "worst" go look they use these and more words so many times 10, 15, 33 so for so on. haha
Audi RS6 hot wagon is the shit! Sweet, sweet words.
I was quoted $1500 with $750 up front for CarEdge Car Buyer Service
For what?
For what is right. If they could guarantee some degree of savings then it might be worth it but I’m just wondering what type of deal they can secure that I cannot
Lincoln is going need those service loaner so it’s good their loading up
Is insurance for an ev higher than for an ice or hybrid?
Yes, per CNBC (and others).
MUCH.
I've owned two EVs and it wasn't any higher than for the ICE vehicles I've owned, but can't speak for specific models and locations and driving history, etc. What I did before purchasing mine was to start the process of replacing the car on my policy and the prospective EV and it then showed the price adjustment (for one of mine it was $23 per 6 months and the other was $2 per 6 months) and then canx the transaction before finalizing to leave things as-is (and then if you do go through with purchasing that given EV you'd then carry through the transaction for real).
That 😉 to that other YTuber (who doesn't produce a lot of meaningful content, to be fair...).
The market is volatile with a lot of things happening in macroeconomics & consumer's behavior. We're living in interesting times.