Man, I was really disappointed to learn that all that build up around Godwyn, Miquella and the Church of the Eclipse ended up with Godwyn getting relegated to a few dungeons in the DLC and all the “revive my brother’s soul” ended up being a Radahn fight (I blame all the “I want to fight him at his prime!!!!” people) And yes, covenants and player limit is just straight up a DS3 downgrade
I really think they could add one mention of Miquella wanting Radahn to be his consort less and one description addressing what Miquella did in the basegame more. Like???I feel it would've been much better if say Remembrance of a God and Lord told that the Haligtree was a failure, that Miquella tried to give Godwyn a true death but failed and eventually gave up on this plan to pursue his "Age of Compassion", something along these lines. Instead of repeating that Miquella wanted Radahn to be his consort.
Ehhh, this notion that base game content about Godwyn was a build up for DLC is made up by people like you. And so expecting content about Godwyn in the DLC is also on you, the game itself doesn's propose it or 'builds' it up, shut up. Miquella, on the other hand..
I was devastated when they didn’t add a single black flame incantation, AOW, boss, weapon, or even piece of lore. They could’ve done the laziest thing of putting a Godskin Prayerbook (2) on a corpse with the 2 BF spells from DS3 but no. If Godwyn’s deathblight managed its way to the realm of shadow how didn’t anything of the Godskins. For 2 years we’ve had the base game BF incantations that are just OK but have no tracking and not PVP viable. But i guess bigger pots and more cookbooks and incantation versions of glintstone arcs were more important… not to mention frenzied flame already has its own ending in the base game and now in the dlc we have a frenzy boss. How innovative. They even ADDED an addition school of flame, Messmers Flame, instead of expanding on the existing ones. A whole new class for just 2 spells. So it hurts my brain a little. It’d be wrong to say the dlc is bad. But it’d be a lie to say it isn’t disappointing. Peak area design and legacy dungeons, decent bosses by Elden ring standards, terrible/unbalanced loot/rewards. (my stupid opinion)
It would have been way better to have Messmer's Flame tie in with the black flames. I actually have a theory that Messmer and Melina were cursed by the Gloam-eyed Queen, similar to how hornsent Grandam cursed Marika resulting in the omen twins and allegedly Romina cursed Malenia with rot. Both Melina and Messmer are associated with fire, Melina is implied to have powers like GEQ and Messmer has a serpent to tie in with Godskins serpentine features.
Speaking of new endings, the player fulfills all of the requirements of a new dragon themed ending with the dragon priestess as our dragon 'finger' maiden. All they had to do was make a cutscene showing our character transforming into an ancient dragon and throw in a few lines of dialogue, but they didn't.
its funny when you read item descriptions and there's an entire cutlure/place/god/etc. that just doesn't even get mentioned or shown in the game. Take Helphen's Steeple for example: "Greatsword patterned after the black steeple of the Helphen, the lampwood which guides the dead of the spirit world. The lamplight is similar to grace in appearance, only it is said that it can only be seen by those who met their death in battle." and we got nothing else about this lmfao
Do we need an area for every damn line of text in the game? Just let some things be for worldbuilding or for, idfk, lore discussions or something. Not everything needs to be shown in game, especially such minor things like that. How would they even implement something about Helphens Steeple
@RedHotChiliPepper31 I mean it doesn't seem like it's a minor thing since it mentions that it encompasses the whole of the dead and has something similar to the guidance of grace. Could be a great tie in with all the different tombs and graves, or an expansion on Fia's questline with Godwyn. Would that really be so bad??
I think helphen is actually in the game, the church district of shadow keep. Look at the steeples there. Considering Land if Shadow is land of the dead, it might just be true p@@OctanePhantom
remember they said dark souls 3 will only get 1 dlc and that will be it and it got 2 dont think elden ring is only getting 1 dlc the money they made with this dlc will make them make a second one
Not only did they add no black flame incantations, weapons or lore, but they also added a new modifier that specifically nerfs the black flame and destined death effect against certain bosses.
Biggest disappointment is lack of int/faith infusion. Dark souls 3 had fire and dark infusions for int/faith builds. They could have made a physical + Magic + Holy/Fire infusion.
He got infected by the Frenzied flame so that his fingermaiden wouldn't need to kill herself. That ended up being a mistake which he realized and that led him to carve out his own eye and put himself willingly into an evergaol (Aka jail) which ended his quest to become an elden lord.
@@pronxon thats the known part. We dont know what made him almost succesfull. He didnt kill demigods, he didnt collect any great runes.. how he became fuckbuddy of dragons, what made him special, why he was so aware of his task/duty.. Most interesting part for me, if the answer of those questions do not matter, why the fuck he is the face of the game?
At this point i have the desire to see them make a proper story game, to see just how good they are or to expose that this community carried them all these years.
The entire DLC was a freaking side quest. And the gear from it trivializes the base game. The story was kinda crap for supposedly written by George R Martin. As usual the story had very little details and content creators are the only way to understand it. They brought another huge katana that pokes as if we needed a faster guts gs. They could have brought out new dmg stuff while also neutralizing gear like ashes, spells etc that help with survival against the new stuff in pvp and onslaught of spam in DLC. We definitely should have gotten more story added from the base game. Also, i don’t even care which ending I pick after a dozen play throughs because almost Nothing matters in the game when it comes to choices 😅I feel like their attention is elsewhere which is kind bs considering how much money Elden ring made them. It’s still a very good looking game at least.
I agree with most of the gameplay comments, but the story is really cool, and the dlc fills in a lot of holes from the base game. When I got to the shaman village so much clicked, and reading the tooth whip description and connecting the dots felt so cool to me, if you don't like the way the story is told, that's on you
Nah the biggest dissapointment was that its a 2 hour DLC gatekept behind bad design and 10 hours of riding Torrent. Edit: the end part about them slipping is 100%. AC6 was pumped and dumped, ER has been a garbage multiplayer game for like 80% of its lifespan, and some things in the DLC seem like they were never tested once
Ngl I just want to second the guy who talked about endings, give me my Morgott romance ending Miyazaki you dirty coward Jokes aside, more varied endings would be good. I always wanted an ending where you do not become a Lord at all tbh. 6:15 Just a note, "gaol" is pronounced like "jail" Honestly, I could rant about what could've been done better for a very long time. Like, most of points in the video are good. 13:51 From did a nice job with making useless spells better. Haven't Burn O Flame went from being useless like DS3 Firestorm to being nearly as good as good as DeS Firestorm?So I think there's still hope, maybe Rain of Fire will be good one day. Still would be better if From actually playtested their shit and released everything in a functioning state instead of making us wait for a patch though. But continuing the topic of things that need adjustment, man they really need to do something with the timing of Sleep Evermore on enemies that only stagger from sleep. It's literally borderline impossible to land. I get a feeling that the damage window just gets eaten by WA's wind-up or something.
Missed the opportunity to have a 6 players area, with the possibility to invade solo hosts; a new gank city is what we were asking. The abyss is a really bad area but it could be used for that.
Just like elden ring critiques. (Mountain top of giants is empty lame game sucks) Can't wait until a year from now where all the vids will swap to (this was the best DLC of all time)
2 things for me; For all that fromsoft keeps bringing back from ds2, having a complete left hand moveset + powerstanced heavy attacks wasnt on their priority. Mind you ashes of war make it so only left hand sprint attacks are missing, but that alone would add so much more depth & creativity to elden ring. The powerstance heavy attacks are especially jarring cause claws & fist have them, but not say, radahn's swords Multiplayer being more limited than past games being the other (main) thing for me, i dont think i needa explain that one at all. I kinda hope we get a scholar type release after the fact that irons out the game as a whole, maybe even tie the dlc & base game together proper. Hell they could bring back bonfire aestics in some way, another mechanic that shouldnt have been 1 off
I just want FromSoftware to tone done the damage of the DLC as a whole, or make the Scadutree Fragments actually mean something. I have all 50 (Which is a ridiculous number by the way and 47 of them can be found AFTER ENSIS) and I'm still getting rocked by Messmer's Red Shirts. Can't be a skill issue either because EVERY SINGLE ENEMY roll catches so I don't see the point and shield builds can only take so much damage.
This last patch really surprised me....backhand blades got a poise damage buff? Who thought that was an issue?....not the fact that the blind slash has a vertical hitbox that can hit you out of the air?...and i dont think the madness torch interaction with the eclipse shotel is fixed....perfumes not getting a speed buff....the balance team is not on their A game...
Frankly I just blame fromsoft for its long patch times and the lack of 6 player invasion sessions. I honestly don't know whats the reason for the 4 player limit, because the game proved that it can run 6 guys. So at this point rather than bash the game, bash fromsoft for its mixed state in pvp and their slow pace on fixing things or barely listening to community feedback. I've already have a feeling that Elden Ring is gonna be left in a state of inferiority to Dark Souls 3, so that is a big shame really.
On the side note of From testing the games, we do know that the new dlc weapons has some quirks from older patches. The Pata can still true combo, and the Fire Knight's Greatsword used to combo in its light attack before the patch. I am not sure if theres any more quirks on other weapons, but it is certain that some of these can be evidence of them not testing the weapons.
Wow ok um, damn an actual patch came in. Fixed some things that actually need fixing (although hearing that Bayle's tyrany isn't fixed is already a oof) Still, its now just a pipe dream of it ever increasing player size before the eventual fallout.
Miq arrived in shadow lands on torrent but he must leave torrent like other parts of his body and even trina. what FS could add to that part? Keep that "dialog sht" to other games, thats why i love Souls.
Another thing to add here. Vaati explained in his blood vid that miquella is highly referenced by Griffith from berserk and it just so happens that Griffith has a really similar over the shoulder panel where Griffith rides away (just Google Griffith horse and you see it immediately) so maybe myazaki just liked it so much and added that as more reference + sacrificing somethings close to become a higher being is also a big part in Griffiths story. (if I didn't get things twisted here)
No crucible lick incantation like the boss had
Right?
That was something freaky. I was so disappointed he only drops the shield.
@@TheAzul_Indigo Hey, me too!
Not a SINGLE sleep ash or spell, like wtf? St. Trina is literally in the DLC and we don't get this. Why? Sleep has no place in this game...
Man, I was really disappointed to learn that all that build up around Godwyn, Miquella and the Church of the Eclipse ended up with Godwyn getting relegated to a few dungeons in the DLC and all the “revive my brother’s soul” ended up being a Radahn fight (I blame all the “I want to fight him at his prime!!!!” people)
And yes, covenants and player limit is just straight up a DS3 downgrade
I really think they could add one mention of Miquella wanting Radahn to be his consort less and one description addressing what Miquella did in the basegame more. Like???I feel it would've been much better if say Remembrance of a God and Lord told that the Haligtree was a failure, that Miquella tried to give Godwyn a true death but failed and eventually gave up on this plan to pursue his "Age of Compassion", something along these lines. Instead of repeating that Miquella wanted Radahn to be his consort.
Ehhh, this notion that base game content about Godwyn was a build up for DLC is made up by people like you. And so expecting content about Godwyn in the DLC is also on you, the game itself doesn's propose it or 'builds' it up, shut up. Miquella, on the other hand..
there's enough to say the eclipse plan failed, already available in the base game.
Nope better than ds3
I was devastated when they didn’t add a single black flame incantation, AOW, boss, weapon, or even piece of lore. They could’ve done the laziest thing of putting a Godskin Prayerbook (2) on a corpse with the 2 BF spells from DS3 but no. If Godwyn’s deathblight managed its way to the realm of shadow how didn’t anything of the Godskins. For 2 years we’ve had the base game BF incantations that are just OK but have no tracking and not PVP viable. But i guess bigger pots and more cookbooks and incantation versions of glintstone arcs were more important… not to mention frenzied flame already has its own ending in the base game and now in the dlc we have a frenzy boss. How innovative. They even ADDED an addition school of flame, Messmers Flame, instead of expanding on the existing ones. A whole new class for just 2 spells. So it hurts my brain a little. It’d be wrong to say the dlc is bad. But it’d be a lie to say it isn’t disappointing. Peak area design and legacy dungeons, decent bosses by Elden ring standards, terrible/unbalanced loot/rewards. (my stupid opinion)
It would have been way better to have Messmer's Flame tie in with the black flames. I actually have a theory that Messmer and Melina were cursed by the Gloam-eyed Queen, similar to how hornsent Grandam cursed Marika resulting in the omen twins and allegedly Romina cursed Malenia with rot.
Both Melina and Messmer are associated with fire, Melina is implied to have powers like GEQ and Messmer has a serpent to tie in with Godskins serpentine features.
Melina is the gloam eyed queen
@@opcringe7299 there is no proof she is literally Gloam-eyed Queen, more like borrowing her power.
Black flame sucks though lol
@@Gman-eu8wk because it’s balanced and doesn’t delete things instantly like braindead magic or bleed? skill issue.
Not being able to have Ranni clinging onto your back like Miquella
Speaking of new endings, the player fulfills all of the requirements of a new dragon themed ending with the dragon priestess as our dragon 'finger' maiden.
All they had to do was make a cutscene showing our character transforming into an ancient dragon and throw in a few lines of dialogue, but they didn't.
BRING ME BACK MOUND MAKERS
Should have a Raid game mode. Teams of 20 vs. a boss and hordes
Seamless coop mod actually allows this. Its hilarious.
Wasted potential in the endings. I wish they took you around and show changes happening. I think crono trigger did that.
its funny when you read item descriptions and there's an entire cutlure/place/god/etc. that just doesn't even get mentioned or shown in the game. Take Helphen's Steeple for example:
"Greatsword patterned after the black steeple of the Helphen, the lampwood which guides the dead of the spirit world. The lamplight is similar to grace in appearance, only it is said that it can only be seen by those who met their death in battle."
and we got nothing else about this lmfao
Do we need an area for every damn line of text in the game? Just let some things be for worldbuilding or for, idfk, lore discussions or something. Not everything needs to be shown in game, especially such minor things like that. How would they even implement something about Helphens Steeple
@RedHotChiliPepper31 I mean it doesn't seem like it's a minor thing since it mentions that it encompasses the whole of the dead and has something similar to the guidance of grace. Could be a great tie in with all the different tombs and graves, or an expansion on Fia's questline with Godwyn.
Would that really be so bad??
I think helphen is actually in the game, the church district of shadow keep. Look at the steeples there. Considering Land if Shadow is land of the dead, it might just be true
p@@OctanePhantom
remember
they said dark souls 3 will only get 1 dlc and that will be it
and it got 2
dont think elden ring is only getting 1 dlc
the money they made with this dlc will make them make a second one
Ashes of Ariandel and Ringed City. Which is the third?
@@lazerking5799 oops i thought it was 3 for some reason xD
Whips and perfume bottles are the biggest wasted potential
No covenants or really any improvements to multiplayer
Not only did they add no black flame incantations, weapons or lore, but they also added a new modifier that specifically nerfs the black flame and destined death effect against certain bosses.
Yeah but it kinda of makes sense since black flame was created in the lands between, probably after the land of shadow was disconnected from it
Biggest disappointment in elden ring?
No boss rush mode.
Biggest disappointment is lack of int/faith infusion. Dark souls 3 had fire and dark infusions for int/faith builds. They could have made a physical + Magic + Holy/Fire infusion.
Oh my god, the "multiple endings" was so annoying. Only two were genuinely unique, but all but Fracture demanded a ton of extra work. So annoying.
Just souls things
Cringe
@@Gman-eu8wk Damn. Got me. ✊️
No covenants
Remember this is a double aa game that made a stufio into a triple a studio.
performance problems
Vyke… he is literally face of the game. But somehow no real details in his story. How he managed to be “almost succesfull”, we dont know.
He got infected by the Frenzied flame so that his fingermaiden wouldn't need to kill herself. That ended up being a mistake which he realized and that led him to carve out his own eye and put himself willingly into an evergaol (Aka jail) which ended his quest to become an elden lord.
@@pronxon thats the known part.
We dont know what made him almost succesfull. He didnt kill demigods, he didnt collect any great runes.. how he became fuckbuddy of dragons, what made him special, why he was so aware of his task/duty.. Most interesting part for me, if the answer of those questions do not matter, why the fuck he is the face of the game?
@@yagz6865 he did get 2 great runes. How and from whom we don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but yeah would be nice to know more
At this point i have the desire to see them make a proper story game, to see just how good they are or to expose that this community carried them all these years.
Abyss should have been solo invasion zone. Its perfect.
just here to comment covenants
The entire DLC was a freaking side quest. And the gear from it trivializes the base game. The story was kinda crap for supposedly written by George R Martin. As usual the story had very little details and content creators are the only way to understand it. They brought another huge katana that pokes as if we needed a faster guts gs. They could have brought out new dmg stuff while also neutralizing gear like ashes, spells etc that help with survival against the new stuff in pvp and onslaught of spam in DLC. We definitely should have gotten more story added from the base game. Also, i don’t even care which ending I pick after a dozen play throughs because almost Nothing matters in the game when it comes to choices 😅I feel like their attention is elsewhere which is kind bs considering how much money Elden ring made them. It’s still a very good looking game at least.
I agree with most of the gameplay comments, but the story is really cool, and the dlc fills in a lot of holes from the base game. When I got to the shaman village so much clicked, and reading the tooth whip description and connecting the dots felt so cool to me, if you don't like the way the story is told, that's on you
Nah the biggest dissapointment was that its a 2 hour DLC gatekept behind bad design and 10 hours of riding Torrent.
Edit: the end part about them slipping is 100%. AC6 was pumped and dumped, ER has been a garbage multiplayer game for like 80% of its lifespan, and some things in the DLC seem like they were never tested once
Ngl I just want to second the guy who talked about endings, give me my Morgott romance ending Miyazaki you dirty coward
Jokes aside, more varied endings would be good. I always wanted an ending where you do not become a Lord at all tbh.
6:15 Just a note, "gaol" is pronounced like "jail"
Honestly, I could rant about what could've been done better for a very long time. Like, most of points in the video are good.
13:51 From did a nice job with making useless spells better. Haven't Burn O Flame went from being useless like DS3 Firestorm to being nearly as good as good as DeS Firestorm?So I think there's still hope, maybe Rain of Fire will be good one day. Still would be better if From actually playtested their shit and released everything in a functioning state instead of making us wait for a patch though. But continuing the topic of things that need adjustment, man they really need to do something with the timing of Sleep Evermore on enemies that only stagger from sleep. It's literally borderline impossible to land. I get a feeling that the damage window just gets eaten by WA's wind-up or something.
Missed the opportunity to have a 6 players area, with the possibility to invade solo hosts; a new gank city is what we were asking. The abyss is a really bad area but it could be used for that.
Just like elden ring critiques. (Mountain top of giants is empty lame game sucks)
Can't wait until a year from now where all the vids will swap to (this was the best DLC of all time)
2 things for me;
For all that fromsoft keeps bringing back from ds2, having a complete left hand moveset + powerstanced heavy attacks wasnt on their priority. Mind you ashes of war make it so only left hand sprint attacks are missing, but that alone would add so much more depth & creativity to elden ring. The powerstance heavy attacks are especially jarring cause claws & fist have them, but not say, radahn's swords
Multiplayer being more limited than past games being the other (main) thing for me, i dont think i needa explain that one at all. I kinda hope we get a scholar type release after the fact that irons out the game as a whole, maybe even tie the dlc & base game together proper. Hell they could bring back bonfire aestics in some way, another mechanic that shouldnt have been 1 off
I just want FromSoftware to tone done the damage of the DLC as a whole, or make the Scadutree Fragments actually mean something. I have all 50 (Which is a ridiculous number by the way and 47 of them can be found AFTER ENSIS) and I'm still getting rocked by Messmer's Red Shirts. Can't be a skill issue either because EVERY SINGLE ENEMY roll catches so I don't see the point and shield builds can only take so much damage.
It is kind of cheesy but have you tried Lion's Claw on Great sword the Colossal Sword
hyper armor and 50+ strength call sometimes kill in 3 hits
@@residentmagnum True
This last patch really surprised me....backhand blades got a poise damage buff? Who thought that was an issue?....not the fact that the blind slash has a vertical hitbox that can hit you out of the air?...and i dont think the madness torch interaction with the eclipse shotel is fixed....perfumes not getting a speed buff....the balance team is not on their A game...
We dont kill Metyr, she legs it using that black hole thing.
Frankly I just blame fromsoft for its long patch times and the lack of 6 player invasion sessions.
I honestly don't know whats the reason for the 4 player limit, because the game proved that it can run 6 guys.
So at this point rather than bash the game, bash fromsoft for its mixed state in pvp and their slow pace on fixing things or barely listening to community feedback.
I've already have a feeling that Elden Ring is gonna be left in a state of inferiority to Dark Souls 3, so that is a big shame really.
On the side note of From testing the games, we do know that the new dlc weapons has some quirks from older patches. The Pata can still true combo, and the Fire Knight's Greatsword used to combo in its light attack before the patch. I am not sure if theres any more quirks on other weapons, but it is certain that some of these can be evidence of them not testing the weapons.
Wow ok um, damn an actual patch came in. Fixed some things that actually need fixing (although hearing that Bayle's tyrany isn't fixed is already a oof)
Still, its now just a pipe dream of it ever increasing player size before the eventual fallout.
We need elden ring 2 so bad, they build a lot of lore and most of it was just mentioned superficially, the potential was and is abysmal
🤣 i want to fight big pot
Torrent, melina, jumping
I think Melina and godwyn are the easiest picks for wasted potential
Miq arrived in shadow lands on torrent but he must leave torrent like other parts of his body and even trina.
what FS could add to that part?
Keep that "dialog sht" to other games, thats why i love Souls.
Another thing to add here. Vaati explained in his blood vid that miquella is highly referenced by Griffith from berserk and it just so happens that Griffith has a really similar over the shoulder panel where Griffith rides away (just Google Griffith horse and you see it immediately) so maybe myazaki just liked it so much and added that as more reference + sacrificing somethings close to become a higher being is also a big part in Griffiths story. (if I didn't get things twisted here)
11:13 Are you certain?