Free Power from Water Part 3- Rewiring a smartdrive washing machine motor to generate power
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Rewiring the recycled Smartdrive motor star/delta to generate up to 1 kilowatt on a micro hydro Pelton wheel system.
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Free hydro power from water series-
Part 1- • Lifetime of Free Power...
Part 2- • Lifetime of Free Power...
Part 3- Washing machine stator rewire vid- • Free Power from Water ...
Part 4- Wiring and programming the plc - • Free Power from Water ...
Just what I needed at 2:23am here in Texas!! Thanks!!
Especially if it's snowing.
@@tihspidtherekciltilc5469 its 90°F and 100% humidity or should I say 32°C either way we're pretty muggy
12:39 Tuesday morning 7/6/2021 Massachusetts. Happy Independence Day. Belated.
5:56 am here in the land of Oz
@@johnthompson9513 556, I see what you did there. 223 here.
There is a product called "Liquid Electric Tape". It is a liquid vinyl goop (like honey) that is brushed on wires to apply a water proof vinyl coating when dried. Perfect for this.
I've not heard of Delta and Star winding since the early 80's.....that was not the direction my career in electronics and electrical engineering went.... great job
Really lol? Thats standard 3 phase windings
@@helpabrothawithasubisaiah5316 I know but my career was in mobile mostly hand held electronics not much call for 415v in that stuff :D
@@BokorRider i know but to never hear of delta and star since the 80s lol, that's crazy
Really liked seeing the overview of how the wiring was configured. Rounds out the video series perfectly. Well done!!!
Marty after watching your Part 2 I watched a RUclips explaining the difference between conventional generator vs the new more expensive inverter type generators. I also looked up Skin Effect. For those who don’t know I copy paste the explanation from the Internet;
“The main technical difference between inverter generators and conventional generators is what kind of electricity is produce, conventional generators only produce AC electricity while an inverter generator produces electricity in three phases (high frequency AC to DC back to *stable* AC current)”
“Skin Effect results from circulating eddy currents, arising from a changing B field, cancelling the current flow in the center of a conductor and reinforcing it in the skin. This reduces the effective cross sectional area increasing wire resistance and losses.”
Now I understand your "inverter" setup, your cost to effectiveness ratio is just brilliant. Big fan, love your channel.
I never get tired of watching videos that convert old washing machines into water powered turbines.
Awesome man, thank you. I have been learning about electrical and electronical stuff for a couple of years and never knew about the PLC. What a fantastic device, and method of programming it.
I have no idea wtf I just watched but it was fascinating as usual.
Welcome to RUclips. I came out of boredom and left with a knowledge ranging from diesel engines to raising quail.
Me too!
True that, there is a vlog on RUclips a geezer in Canada I think building his own homestead no speaking just working,guide amazing his skills no power tools all buy muscle
Fascinating! for this electronics engineer. The whole generator centers on the coil-and-magnet motor. I had no idea they used that style of motor, but then it shows I'm not up with the times. Brilliant.
It's basically a brushless DC motor.
I love he juxtaposition of the high tech electronics and the copper lump soldering iron. I built my first crystal set with one of those in the 1950's !
"You call that a soldering iron? This is a soldering iron!"
That soldering iron brings back memories. I started year 7 at an absolutely brand new high school and chose electronics as an elective. I was expecting a great experience with all new gear, but when it came time to solder up our first circuit boards, the teacher who really had no idea what he was doing, took us outside to do it with those antique soldering irons heated in a branding iron heater borrowed from the agricultural department! The irons burnt the crap out of the circuit boards and components, and did an awful job. And to really top it off, we were only supplied with acid flux and plumbers solder, corroding out our hand made boards after a few months. Was the most disappointing class I ever enrolled in.
Hell of a school? I did electronics at a TAFE College in Australia in 1976 with all the good gear went on to the School of Radio with the RAAF for my apprenticeship at 16 learnt precision cabling there.
Did that school also have a motor mechanics course where the tools were a brick and a chisel?
Must be where all the Harley mechanics were trained.
Then it's Taught you about Electronics !
@@hauptuhrdotnetblog6700 You can pretty much sue them for that shit I think
@@ToreDL87 would need documentation to prove damages but without knowing the laws of where you live hard to say. I’d at least talk to an attny. You never know, maybe get a settlement due to their incompetence
As a retired Military Aircraft Electrician, you are killing me. And at the same time impressing me with your ingenuity and problems solving skills. keep it up sir!
Many years ago, as a first year electrical apprentice, one of my jobs was to recondition Star Delta starting systems for three phase electric motors. The Brand may have been Honeywell. If I'm not too old to remember. I had no idea you could use the same principles from a power generating point of view. One never stops learning. Thank you...
big honeywell factory here in central scotland
Never have I seen a solder iron like that, count me seriously impressed. I’ve been a reader of the backshed for many years but this video certainly adds a lot of value to that information.
www.jlconline.com/videos/playlist/soldering-gutters-video-playlist
When soldering metal guttering you need a lot of heat....especially if it is copper guttering.
This is how it was done in the past....
Or just use a plumbers gas torch
Wow, I'm impressed. And here I thought you were just a "knuckle buster". You have obviously had some electrical/electronics training. I love the step by step instructions and explanations, expecially the diagrams. Love the series.
Loved your videos, here in Bougainville we run small hydro using 100mm pvc reduced to 25mm running a radiator fan off earth moving machinery with its blades bent at right angles as a water wheel running a shaft and then belt driving a 240v generator off a dead genset.
Excellent bro this is why they say DIY is in our DNA in NZ. Safe travels.
That soldering iron is hilarious! 😂
Marty did comment earlier that it is his second largest one (usually used for metal guttering soldering)
Ok I wasn't expecting 885W at all. That's significant and you can absolutely work with that.
Oh hell yeah with good pressure and solid copper magnet wire instead of the aluminum junk he reused you can get way more and smaller gauge also
Tusen takk for god underholdning
Once again, showing your work really proves your job performance. Thanks for showing your steps and process.
This is the best water turbine video series on RUclips. Thanks alot for putting this out there!!
Hi Marty T, I'm from Brazil and I really admire your work, you do a very important job, thank you for sharing it on your channel. A big hug and never stop with the videos!
lol wow just watching this has my head spinning as I barely understand any of it but it's clear you know what you're doing
I did not understand 1 second of this video. Still loved watching it though. I would love to sit and have a point with Marty, seems like a great guy to know
If you left the motor wiring original and then brought it up to the house as 400v then use a step down transformer your losses in the cables would be reduced due to the lower transmission current. The transformer would then lower the voltage and increase the amps to a more usable level just like the utilities do. As an added benefit you would have the bulk of the system available at the house for repair/monitoring/maintenance instead of trekking down that steep bank with all your tools and materials. The 1drawback is the transformer which given your minimalistic scrap/salvage approach would probably be unattainable and would be quite pricey to purchase. I love the repurpose material approach in our “disposable” society. Great job.
The 400VAC @ high hertz is leaky through insulation and dangerous to handle. Rectification immediately to 27VDC to charge the batteries (low voltage needs large cables and short runs to avoid line losses) then from the batteries through an inverter to 230VAC which is standard household voltage for NZ appliances/light etc...and can run 400 metres with minimal line loss and arrives at the house distribution board ready to go out to the water heater appliances etc without further rectification.
So the batteries and electronics need to be down at the stream and the generator....
Has worked for 17 years at Marty's home.....
But you could use an old (
This is the guy I'll be partnering with in the zombie apocalypse.
Ha, get in line - I smell an auction brewing - screw that, a kidnapping ( sticking to the budget )
Me too.
who would have thought there is a washing machine conversion community in NZ? cool
Yes - actually the original "Fisher and Paykel Smart Motor" concept and design was developed by 2 New Zealanders, in New Zealand (if I'm not mistaken). I can't remember now whether they patented it or sold the rights before the design really took of and was duplicated under liscence by other manufactures. Does anyone else know the full story?
Mr. Marty, you guys are amazing with your mechanical ability. My husband and I enjoy your videos very much.
BLOWS ME AWAY, FREE POWER AND NO POLLUTION AND NOT WASTING A DROP OF WATER. VERY IMPRESSIVE ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ Thank You, For Sharing‼️. Vinny 🇺🇸
Maybe the most eco-friendly generator ever built? we actually used junk to make it and it produces zero emissions
Thanks for going through this Marty, I know that this was a bit time-consuming. I really appreciate it!
Was wondering if you could pop 'round and take a look at the washer actually. Bit noisy right now. Any thoughts?
Great video! Marty’s knowledge and application blows me away again ! Haven’t got a clue what’s going on but great to watch I’ll still be thinking about it for weeks to come trying to figure it out . Some skill that working with all those tiny wires . Hat off chief
You amaze me with your knowledge and positive attitude!
thanks for the link to the back shed. I needed more explanation regarding the star and delta configuration, so that reference really helped.
Thoroughly enjoyed all three videos, what a great friend you are. God bless!
Wow Marty, that is some of the finest looking wiring in close quarters done with a ten pound sledge type soldering iron, no less! Very difficult to keep the connections straight. Great video, thumbs up.
Amazing Work Marty, I'm thinking about doing something like this for my daughter who lives far from the power lines. Thanks !!!
Very impressive how you get this home spun contraption to provide the electricity your buddy needs 👌
It will be incredible when he makes a video on “salvage battery restoration and reuse”!!! Marty is the man.
Marty wonders that work and do the job... name of the game... FREE ELECTRICITY .. well done !!!
I used to think Marty was a humble farmer. Now I think he's a humble electrical engineer.
Marty your a master of self supporting living. I just wish we had a stream to use for power generation.
Its strange that i mentioned doing this on another channel then your video's popped up been enjoying since another subscriber 👊💯👍
Thanks so much for the detailed wiring diagrams of the 2 configurations, and the rest of the 3 outstanding videos. The one thing I don't have is a water flow to drive a turbine. 👍👍
I haven't seen a soldering iron (and solder) like that in years - I'm used to a much smaller iron and solder - I was an electronics tech!
I tried my 100w electric iron but it didn't stand a chance
@@MartyT Yeah, 100w is a bit much for that type of work but those copper 'irons' were not intended for electrical work !
I recently bought a very small soldering iron (not much bigger than a pen) with adjustable temperature which was incredibly cheap and much easier to use than that type.
I was just about to say that I e never in my life seen one of those soldering irons used. I’ve seen them around but be er seen them used. Marty is just showing off how eclectic his skill set is now!
Marty you lost me at X Y Z hahahaha. You are a very clever bloke. Love your work. Keep them videos coming
Reminds me of the "this is a knife" scene from the Crocodile Dundee, but with soldering irons :)
Really good project, well done to use old stuff.
My grandfather had a soldering iron like that...
The "tip" was about a pound or so of copper. It was heated in a charcoal brazier that he had a hand-cranked blower for. The flux was a block of "sal ammoniac". I've also seen bar solder like that somewhere, but it was so long ago I can't remember where.
Plumbers soldering iron used when roof guttering was soldered with "bars" of solder melted like a small river into the joins between the metal gutter sections...
Hey Mate, try a torch next time removing the enamel instead of sanding or scrapping. Works super fast and saves your fingers!🤘
Looks like the Mrs lost another kitchen knife haha
Mrs T-"I appear to be missing a steak knife"
Marty-"Let's go veggie today, eh?"
Very cool and interesting. Usually with a PV array you wire the panels to put out high voltage, low current to save money on the wiring run back to the inverter. Once at the inverter, it converts it back to usable volatage and bumps up the amps. Same priciple as high voltage transmission lines. Higher voltage also resuces losses over the run from source to house.
Yes thats right, output from this is a little different than clean dc from a solar panel, high voltage / high hz ac doesn't travel well long distance (skin effect cable loss)
@@MartyT Cool thanks for the info.
@@MartyT I was thinking the same thing. But I forgot that here in USA the transmission lines are high voltage/Low frequency (60hz) . This brought back my tech training days more than 50 years ago. You refreshed my high frequency transmission line education ! Thanks. Great video.
Well done mate, I hope one day ill live somewhere with the privilege of access to a natural resource like this. Id love to try some of my own off grid productions.
LOVE YOUR WORK wow what a confusing wire up thank you keeping that ordered & properly wired looks pretty difficult
My dad used to have a set of those soldering irons, those were the days!
Same mate my old man passed away recently and it definitely took me back seeing the old soldering iron I hope to inherit my dads tools only time will tell
Yep. I still have my dad's old soldering irons too. Would've liked to have had the blow torch
Very good video! Thanks again for taking the time to teach us this. Enjoy the rest of your day.
OMG a soldering iron for fixing the roof rain gutter! Mate you make an easy job difficult for yourself. For the rest; very good idea and improvisation.
Marty commented tha this 100 watt iron just didn't have enough heat in it for the job of this size of copper wire soldering.
So he selected his second-from-largest soldering bolt...acid flux...and lead solder...and great results happened...
Sorry Marty, you lost me when you said "that's what they look like" LOL, infact I watched for another minute or two and my head exploded..!!!
Was it just like in the movie, "Mars Attacks"????? haha
Great video best i have seen using this type of washer Cheers Aussie from Canada
Interesting options there, Maybe enough water flow for 2 of them at a later date!
I had a Delta wound Alternator on a truck years ago refurbished and modified by an old school auto elec and it really makes a difference most people are totally unaware is an option.
I'm watching and listening about what you are doing and believe you me even after being told whats what, Electrickery goes way over the top, watts and amps mean nothing to me, all I get is a shock now and then, It just amazes me your endless knowledge, just keep sending and I'll just watch.
Very cool man, I am jealous of the elevation change you have to drive the water wheel generator, I have barely 1 foot of drop across my 5 acres.
Video is amazing! I would like to know more about the "jet" as every time I search water I get electrical water jets. Can someone tell me what "jet" was used to increase the psi so I can find it an buy it?
i can do some wireing and honestly i thought i knew some about it but you are a pure genuis
Amazing work mate. Not sure I would have the patience. I would just buy a hydro generator! Your skills are impressive.
I have a suggestion (idea) for a close to home installation. In a pallet container. You have a low pressure after the pelton wheel and a low pressure after dump valve of a ram pump all the system needs to convert the low pressure to a high pressure with a 12 volt submersible pump you can give pre-pressure to the ram pump and ram pump equip with good expansion vessel that built up pressure of both to drive the pelton wheel all fit in that low water container that can be used constantly.And you know the rest to put that motor on the pelton.have fun
Research perpetual motion machine....
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk this type one needs pressure to keep it going. and perpetual motion is without interfering off other energy.
All this saying that number between 5 and 7 is making an aussie laugh. and good info!
Thanks for posting this was awesome to actually see this done
Haven't been fortunate enough to come across a washing machine. But I have build-up a Chinese diesel engine from discarded scrap engine blocks. Jiangdong I think
in my village here in the Philippines, (i never saw one because i'm living in the city) i heard that some of our people used a windshield wiper motor and used a syringe to pressurize the water from an irrigation pipes . it can't power a whole house but can charge your dying battery phone or just power a light bulb for you to see in the dark during the night.
awesome 3 part videos, cheers mate, thank you
Just brilliant mate, mind blowing but brilliant! I watched the one s couple years ago of you wiring your own one and as a non electrical guy I just about followed that so was pretty pleased with myself, this one mind blown lol 😅🤦🏻 but really interesting and tbh, if needs be/situation required could be followed (even of not fully understood! Lol)
Cheers from London England 👍😎🏴
This is really handy, I was thinking, if this puts out 400v I wonder if you could combine that with a 400v EV battery and that would mean the power would transport easier over distances? Then rectify the power at the house? Or would you need more expensive cabling etc?
Thanks John.. you're a wealth of knowledge mate
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq cheers John, I wasn't saying this doesn't work, the dude has too much power by the looks of it, I was asking more regarding using the 400V in a longer application (let's say from one side of a site to the other and it's a mile long or something) but I can see why you interpreted it that way as I'm saying "could you" when I probably mean, "could I" lol
This was a great series. Thanks for sharing.
MC2Double no doubt.... When covid finally reaches phase zombicron I call dibs on this dude hahaha!!
Thanks for the cool video Marty. All good from the UK
Super impressive Marty, do you have a background in this stuff or are you self-taught? Maybe both?
Cheers from Tokyo!
I have a friend who was an electrical engineer, I used to pick his brain about these things
@@dirkvanderkamp5009 By "picking that friends brain", he is realy saying he killed the person and ate the brain and absorbed the knowledge. :)
I like the way your subs are heading,you really deserve it...and more.
Awesome set up
Comes back from the hardware store with a new pair of wire strippers and the Mrs. says "Why did you waste money on those, when you know your gonna use my steak knives anyway" !
Great show, take a look at the LG direct drive they aren’t restricted to a spline so you can adapt to a shaft as many motors as your drive can turn, cheers
Belt drive?
@@tihspidtherekciltilc5469
No, direct drive onto a shaft...
no belt needed between the brushless motor and the agitator/mechanism...
Nice job! Pretty impressive!
Thank you for taking the time to share.
I am in awe...can you please run the country? I mean Jacinda is great, but I bet she only has one use for a washing machine. More micro-electricity! More hoarding to recycle stuff!
Thanks again for sharing another great video!
Have you considered keeping the higher voltage and using a transformer closer to the termination point to reduce your losses from running a lower voltage such long distances? This would also allow the end user to keep the expensive bits at the house and make it easier to maintain.
I mean, to add to it, it would also save you money in the long run... Thick gauge wire ain't cheap! Lol
The 400VAC @ high hertz is dangerous and leaks through normal insulation.
So it gets rectified into 27VDC straight away...which charges the two truck betteries @24VDC.
Those batteries power the inverter that produces 230VAC...which is normal domestic voltage in NZ for use in the home.
This is fed from the creek up to the house 400m in normal 3 core insulated wire at minimal line loss and useable in every domestic appliance from the switchboard.
This has worked for Marty for 17 years at his home...see vids 2,3, and 4 in this series....
You could (and there are now) more batteries at the house which use a 12VDC battery charger to top them up to run the fridge and freezer...as an "in case" measure...in case something goes wrong down at the creek (which may have happened with the recent 20 inches of rain in 4 days)
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John is spot on with his reply, there are a few other reasons- the generator speed would be inefficient, optimal rpm is around 800-1000rpm. Also he intends to add another turbine at a later date, this would require another expensive cable run if pushing 3 phase.
Valuable video. Can't wait to become a hermit.
Given the length of (each) wire needed for the six "buss bars" employed in rewiring the STATOR would it have not been more helpful to have bought a length of Yellow? Also better for teh video. Indeed why not a length of yellow and another of white (since you had the blue laying about)? Then a touch of Magic Marker here and there to get one buss using black & (yellow, blue, white)?
Were you away from a power source? Or are you simply more comfortable with that antique soldering iron (made of copper)?
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Definitely looks like a handy and cheap way of building a turbine, unfortunately we just don't have many/any washers like this in Europe. Remember seeing lots in Aus and NZ though
Don't get hung up on the brand.
Other manufacturers also use brushless motors....
look for new spare parts by googling; then take note of which brushless motor is used in which brand/model....
that might be found and recycled if you go to a repairer;
ask nicely and explain why...
42 coils, indeed the universe is subtle...
Your content is always great. Please keep uploading!
You just got a lovely cycle..... lol
Great job boy's !!!!----
High voltage AC travels better and travels on smaller wires. Seems to me you could use the alternator to send the high voltage to the house and use a transformer to reduce the voltage which has to raise the amps because wattage must remain constant. It would have saved you from carrying a lot of equipment down that treacherous hill. Also would reduce voltage drop at your equipment.
Hi, great stuff as usual Marty, many thanks from Nr Liverpool UK.
Thank you for this video brother 🙏
Yes - actually the original "Fisher and Paykel Smart Motor" concept and design was developed by 2 New Zealanders, in New Zealand (if I'm not mistaken). I can't remember now whether they patented it or sold the rights before the design really took of and was duplicated under liscence by other manufactures. Does anyone else know the full story?
Well done !!!
Whole other level
Excellent! Nice rewire. Lovely bit of reuse!