You should think about why you don't get it. When we propose greater investment in safety, we assume that we have the technology to improve safety while handling a high tension power line, or we are instead proposing investment in R&D. Well until your proposed R&D investments bear fruit, you will continue not to get it. I think we could be grateful to people who take up these risky an essential jobs, so that undeserving people like you and I can continue to live our lives posting dismissive comments on RUclips. I wonder if we can invest our way out of stupidity. That would be fantastic no?
Probably because the liability rules dont really keep these companies in check in case of serious injury/death or simply is a cost they're willing to cover if margins are too good and probably not worth comparing to the amount of money it'd take to change their safety methods.
Certified underwater welders rarely have enough work to do exclusively underwater work. Most of them spend the majority of their work time doing regular welding for regular pay
As much electricity as a power line? Welders work on lower voltage and higher current. Makes you wonder what research they do before making these videos.
As a technical diver, much of the diving information they gave was incorrect. I can't believe an outlet as big as Business Insider would publish such a poorly research report
I think the person who made this video (maybe the narrator?) doesn’t know much about what she’s saying. As far as danger, the welding part isn’t the big factor. It’s delta P, drowning and currents.
My dad worked with a guy in the late 80's who was a deep sea welder.... for literally a single day. Went down on his first job with the "Vet", 40 mins in a pipe busted opened and pulled the vet in, never saw him again. That guy quit as soon as he surfaced.
Using a Blood Pressure cuff whilst wearing a thick jacket underneath it isn’t ideal for accurate readings… it’s why paramedics often ask you to roll your sleeves up or take your top off to get to your bare arm to take BP.
This is false, these men in Indonesia are not earning 15k a week my friend in this field makes 8k a month in Europe doing this, they are earning FAR LESS. Horrible reporting, no idea where they got those numbers.
Maybe because the work is backlogged with lack of welders, it is less regulated and therefore less costly for management, it is operated from minimal equipment, it has a minimum crew, they operate in much more hazardous conditions and better worker/boss relationships
Not the first time Business Insider just makes things up to make it seem like poor people have it great. According to them, being forced to rent where you live is actually great for me and I’m so rich because I have to pay rent that is significant higher than a mortgage.
1. He's not earning 15k a every week, only during the week when he is on duty. This is also presumably the higher end of the spectrum. 2. I'm personally acquainted with someone who works the same job in an offshore oil rig for a major oil company. He is in his mid 30s and makes the equivalent of 10k during his work week. Offshore oil rigs run by major oil companies pay shitloads. Less prestigious companies would pay a fraction of this sum, of course, but that would still be a significant sum in a developing country.
worth mentioning that for an employer the cost of an employee in for example, Germany, is substantially more than the actual wage they receive. That’s before you start getting into Liability, danger compensation, etc. Paying a worker what appears to be a huge wage and having no further responsibility for them is absolutely cheaper in the long run.
Friend in Maine used to do this. He was a deep-sea welder and used something that looked like a hard-shell space suit with robotic arms. Anyway, an accident occurred and he had to surface very quickly. Got the benz and bad things happened. He was in a decompression chamber for a long time and is now permanently disabled, only about 30 or so years old. Walks slowly with a cane and is on permanent disability, but at least he survived.
The bends is nothing like a heart attack. It's when the water pressure makes the nitrogen in your blood turn into a soluble gas. If you come up too fast then that soluble nitrogen turns into gas causing your blood to boil. Just like opening a can of coke. The pressure changes instantly so the carbon dioxide that's dissolved in the coke turns into gas That's how they describe the bends.
@@xisigma Nothing like a heart attack, though it can CAUSE a heart attack. Bends, aka Decompression Sickness is dissolved gasses emerging from the blood as bubbles due to a rapid decrease in pressure. It absolutely is nasty, it absolutely will kill or cripple you, but it is NOT like a hear attack.... Heart attacks pass, a bad case of the bends is with you forever.
At 6:46 - he's literally touching the tip of the electrode as he replaces it & no issue (& yes it is still live), even if he touches the tip of the electrode whilst its welding, the chances of death are low as the anode/pile are the grounded to the welding circuit & the current is more likely to still flow directly through them. The danger is if his hand or body touches the anode or pile whilst he is not welding & the electrode is close to shorting through him into the anode or pile closing the welding circuit - just don't ever make personal physical contact with the grounded welding metal. I use to do this type of work & sometimes if the grounding surface is so so, your teeth would vibrate/shatter from the electric current flowing as you weld.
The current isn't that bad, we use DC current in the water and the supervisor on the surface controls the current. you tell them to go cold when changing the rod. We also wear rubber gloves.
Less education usually equates to less concern about the environment. I think Indonesia's voters care, but it's less on the priority list when you have to eat or have a place to eat/live. Making more money doesn't automatically make you smarter. 🤷♂
@@megamanx466 He literally showed concern about the environment. I think we just tend to view people in developing countries as having that mindset because the US ships all its trash there and then has the balls to say, "Look how dirty and uneducated they are."
Exactly, it's reprehensible for these spoiled westerners to wag their fingers at these developing nations for what the west has already done to become prosperous.
I was an underwater cutter on the Thames Barrier Project in London in the seventies for three years. Now that was black water everything by feel. Insurance stats then reckoned to lose one saturation diver on the North Sea rigs a year, the Thames Barrier - seven, thats how much more dangerous that was. Thankfully no fatalities. I had the best trusted dive team buddies anywhere - Now I'm asked if I hold a Padi certificate 🤣
The seventies were some 50 years ago. That makes you at least 70 years old if not more. The dive shop or dive boat probably doesn't even want to risk having you diving with them because of the liability. Them asking for some recreational diving certificate is the least they can do to check. How else are they supposed to know? Or are they gonna get sued into oblivion if some accident happens.
I went to the barrier as a kid when it was first opened such a massive futuristic looking thing, I bought a little red wooden sailing boat in the gift shop, I used to tie kite string to and sail it in ponds. thank you for your hard work and all the floods its saved us from. the barrier is kind of a forgotten monument of London now I don't know why it fell out of favour on tourists trips and postcards we used to be so proud of it.
These companies aren’t held by first world standards. They get paid so much because they don’t live as long, and insurance isn’t necessary. Could you imagine how much the insurance would cost the company in a developed country? They figure it’s cheaper to pay poor people a little more, than a company a ton more.
At 6:47 he changes the electrode and just lets it sink to the bottom... Later at 13:35 he says "its not a trash can". The electrode isnt that harmful to the environment etc. but still very ironic.
Bless the man for providing for his children after he has lost his loved one. That's a tough a job, as if burning rods top water isn't hard enough on a hot day. I hope he stays safe
Look at the interaction at 8:33. The student is all smiling and excited, and the teacher is very solemn and aware that he could have been killed super easily. wow
A diving friend of mine went into commercial diving and welding at around the age of 21. He travelled all over the world (including Antarctica!) for work with whichever company offered the best pay and conditions. He has now retired at the age of 40 with multiple investment properties and a very comfortable quality of life. On the other hand, while diving recreationally together, he has told me about many incidents where he could have easily lost his life while working🙃.
As a former commercial diver, this is very hard to watch. Diving and wet welding are not the deadliest jobs in the work, but what these guys doing is incredibly dangerous. They are missing all the proper life support and safety equipment to dive, much less do underwater hot work.
I have a mate who does underwater welding off the coast of Tasmania Australia. He told me the most SCARIEST thing he has to deal with is Leopard Seals🐆🦭 intentionally screwing with him and his team . He said they're super boisterous at times and sometimes a little aggressive messing with the divers equipment.
@RryhhbfrHhgdHhgd356 not for humans, though. Leopard seals have shown all sorts of behaviour towards humans, from trying to teach a human to hunt to just grabbing a human and dragging them down into the abyss. Orcas don't attack humans unless they're kept in captivity. Boats yes, but not humans.
There is always a company/employees out there that will do it cheaper just keep working.And push the safety boundaries. Deaths are a added “acceptable” equation into the job summary’s . A lot of people aren’t aware of that.
You would think that the company he’s working for even the government provide him with all the Necessary, safety precautions, especially if they’re high demand and badly needed and to pay for training and everything else you least give him some Assurances and benefits
If you're living in the United States of America and you want to go to a good underwater welding school go to the divers institute of technology in Seattle Washington I went there and I loved it. Best choice to ever made
@@kennymfg9 well if your post 9/11 GI bill pays for it and you still have half of your benefits remaining id say go for it...i did and it worked out for me and it was a great experience with great adventures. I dont regret it whatsoever. Being under water is the best thing ive ever done with my life other than joing the Marine Corps.
@@rainmetal that makes sense I paid outta pocket and worked in the industry for like a year before I realized I could make more money working construction and be home every night. There are schools that do it for a fraction of the price as dit though.
Welder here: rather than training certified divers to weld, it would make 1000% more sense to train certified welders to dive!! Even on land, you have to learn to weld in and out of position, sometimes you’re in adverse weather conditions, sometimes it’s raining, snowing, freezing; your ability to see what you’re doing is compromised, your helmet is fogging up, and you have to rely solely on your experience… this takes years. Years. I don’t believe learning to dive takes years.
Could you give us your view on whether their explanation of electrocution risk makes sense? I've only done hobby welding a few times - so know very little - but the risks underwater don't seem significantly different than on land. Other than the fact that you're floating around etc. Edit: also the "air bubbles keeps the electricity contained" sounds wrong
Wait if the anode is meant to be replaced why is it welded to the pillar in the first place. Would some kind of locking/hanging system be way less expensive?
As a welding engineer and also as an Indonesian, this video resonates. But whilst there are inherent risks as these chaps experience, it's nowhere near as bad as those underwater saturation divers and welders in the oil and gas industry. To be honest, Indonesia doesn't have that much of a safety culture. It's improving, for sure, but having been to a few job sites where welders and supervisors fail to protect themselves from arc eye or UV, merely utilising fake raybans, or working from height without proper fall arrest gear, or confined space ingress and egress, the danger pay will more than make up for the risks. It also looks like that your first chap lives in a Jakarta Kampung, so you'd regard his modest livelihood as being definitely blue collar. Let's see if their employing organisation is ISO9001 certified.
Shout-out to the cameraman, for putting up this work without getting paid 15k/week.. For those curious about it, they get paid by the hour and you can't dive everyday/every hour.. So hence the average amount possibly could earned..
The Irony. Saying you are concerned ahout the enviornment while working on a project that absolutely will be a big factor in destroying the enviornment. 🤷♂️
150 to 300 dollars an hour to do this job. Those guys retire after the first 5 years because it is a tough job that pays very well. Doctor level money.
Clearly they’re fine. Not everyone opts for a lavish lifestyle. He’s likely keeping the money in savings. He does have 4 children to provide for after all. It’s better to live carefully now and have money for further education when they’re older.
My cousin is a deep sea welder he has been all over the pacific coast for dives I don’t talk to him much but from what he says he makes a ton money from it and it is insanely dangerous
I think being some 50ft underwater for hours on end with minimal vision and control over the water currents around you makes this more dangerous.. not accidentally zapping yourself.
i assume a lot of it is contractor work, so they wouldn't be working every single week of the year to total up to CEO level yearly salary. And i believe she also said up to 15k/week, not that they all make 15k/week.
@@isk8atparks i look it up, its 350 dollars for a day work (usually its 2 hours). Thats still a lotnof money, but no where near 15k a week and a lot of specialist earns something similar.
@@isk8atparkseven if he works two weeks a year, he would make triple he national average, so he would not be living in such house for sure, my uncle once told me who works in oil and fields, that companies pay third world workers 50-60 bucks a day, atmost 100 if the company is good. Whereas they pay first worlds works like 700-1000 dollars a day
I agree :)) I am a welder..I’m listening to this and laughing in the same time…this people have no idea what they’re talking about…welder can’t die by touching electrode …in Malaysia divers do not making that much money! (Especially locals).. I mean look how they leave and look on their equipment that will tell you about their salary..and $15,000 !!! :)))))) even American or UK diver (at least not most of them anyway )not making that much !!!! What a joke
Come on. This is underwater welding, not ordinary welding. It isn't as dangerous as people make it out to be, but it still is dangerous. The two are completely different. Imagine doing it with no floor beneath you and currents moving you around. Besides that, the bubbles reduce visibility along with the unclear water. Also salt water is a lot more conductive to air, so if it's not close enough to the anode it can shoot arks out.
@@OnlyMe-mt7zb I’m talking about the risk of electrocution. Of course it’s dangerous, but not because of the welding aspect. People die sometimes while doing regular scuba diving, of course any form of commercial diving is much more dangerous. What makes arc dangerous, it’s just the flow of electricity, if it arcs it’s going to be low voltage arcs.
$15k a week is probably an overstatement. Maybe few people earn such money, but for developing country it's way too much. Or you mention "certified divers", maybe they had to give 90% of their salary for "certification"
Underwater welder is an excellent job with excellent pay and excellent "hours" !¡! Highly recommended as a solid career path IF you know how to mansge your mkney ! Just *STAY AWAY* from working on pipes and things that can suck you in and turn you into human hamburger!¡! Stick to bridges, and jobs where your not in danger of being sucked through a centimetew wide hole !¡!
According to the US Navy tables (Doppler limits), you can stay at 2 atmospheres, which is the pressure mentioned in the video (equivalent to 10 m), for 160 minutes without having to make safety stops. (However, this is only good for the first dive of the day.)
I do believe that divers are quite well paid for the job that they perform underwater, and hopefully they will continue to be very careful with the job that they do
In addition to the errors this video made regarding welding, as others have already noted, the shamless plug around 11:20 about GHGs is also erroneous. GHGs arent killing locals, looking at the smog in the video its pollutants like NOx and SOx, PM, etc.
Great & informative video as always. But it would be better if the editors didn't cut speech in the middle of sentences. It's a bit annoying for me as Indonesian lol.
Fun fact about The Bajau people of Indonesia, they are like real-life mutants. They have larger spleens, allowing them to hold their breath for up to 13 minutes and dive deep underwater. It's almost like they have superpowers for living in the ocean
@@roxylius7550 they are realy have bigger spleen, but most bajau in indonesia doesnt free dive anymore, they use same umbilical tool in video. Some youtuber based on indonesia also debunk it already they cant free dive to long.
@@asterinycht5438 yes, I dont dispute that. They have bigger spleen which allows their body to release additional red blood cell and subsequently more oxygen into the body. However, 13 minutes claim has never been validated by anybody other than natgeo. Multiple organization has travelled to indonesia to verify this and so far nothing. Also if they really can hold their breath for 13 minuted or more, they could easily absolutely destroy current world record and earn hundred of thousands from publicity, prize money, etc. So far not a single bajou people is on the leaderboard despite them having connection to outside world through phone, internet, etc so yes, it’s the usual media bs
According to a study published in the March 2011 issue of Diving and Hyperbaric Medicine Journal, the Bajau people had an average dive duration of only 38 seconds. During the study the Bajau people were found to dive to no more than 5-7 metres (16-23 feet) deep. Claims of them diving to 60 metres and holding their breath for 13 minutes are wildly exaggerated and never been demonstrated.
I highly doubt the electric shock you could receive from the welding would "kill you instantly" lol. AFAIK, these guys are just doing stick welding but underwater, and I've shocked myself in the past when doing stick welding and I did in fact not die or cause any damage.
It seems like that would be easier and cheaper and safer, so I expect there is some valid reason why they don't do it that we aren't aware of due to insufficient knowledge on the topic. At the very least this alternate solution probably isn't as simple as it seems.
A slot would likely let water get in between the two different metals and defeat the purpose of the sacrificial anode. They need to be in sufficient contact to allow them to interact electrochemically. On a smaller scale it can be done with wires, I'm not sure if that would work on something this big or if more contact is needed, but wires would need to be spot welded anyway.
Doesn’t work that way. It’s not like some 16 year old boy has just figured out a better method for the industry in 7 minutes watching a video while his mom makes him breakfast.
I'm a welder. In my 9 years of welding. Not ONE time, when I told someone I weld when I'm with them in person. Never once have they not told me "You need to be an Underwater Welder." It has happened 100% of the time to me, and ALLLLLLLLL of my welding co workers. We all hate it and NO ONE should tell someone else what they should be doing for a living. Thanks For making it worse Business Insider. Edit: Holy Crap they lied SO SO SO much about the danger. This channel is now a joke to me. Just an FYI, When welding underwater you ARENT APART OF THE CIRCUIT. They dangers of electrocution aren't even close to what they said. The main danger is you may lose your fingers because every time you exhale, the air bubbles blind you. And if you accidently pop a finger off while cleaning the base material or chipping away slag after welding. The decompression time and being out at sea make it so the finger cant be reattached because you take to long to get to a hospital. So yeah, Missing fingers is a sign of underwater welding. No Thanks, I'll stick to my custom fabrication shop.
it has to be a strong conneection not only so it does not fall of but because it needs to have a good low restiance metaeal connection so it works properly for taking the rust of the pilliars
@@connorthomas2667 wires are isolated. But... then again, the welded on mass also has limited contact surface. You can also have periodic checks / current detection... really can't see why'd weld it deep, especially for 15000$ price range of work.
Pekerjaan seperti mekanik alat berat atau sejenisnya memang uang nya besar di indonesia.saya sendiri se orang mekanik alat berat di Kalimantan.. saya juga bisa seperti yang ada di video tapi hanya didaratan
The bright light from the ARC would attract alot of different fish species, the danger og underwater welding makes me wonder why more things arent flanged or threaded instead of butt welded?
Business Insider seems to be stupid this time. welding does not use much voltage than 16v but only current which is about 160amp to ignite welding stick.
I know an underwater welder, he drives a Ferrari, has a massive house and is due to retire at 42 with enough money for him and his family to comfortably see the rest of their days out……however dangerous it is, it’s worth it.❤
@@topopolis Dang the 15k a month just make sense in my head man. But I guess 30k a year is more realistic though that is still pretty high compared to other jobs in Indonesia.
Don't get me wrong, but why does someone with a lisp have to comment on this video? Surely someone who is 1.60m tall isn't trying to become a basketball player?
I dont get it. You're earning so much, even by developed countries' standards, but you can't invest in better safetfy equipment?
If it’s even available there
You should think about why you don't get it. When we propose greater investment in safety, we assume that we have the technology to improve safety while handling a high tension power line, or we are instead proposing investment in R&D. Well until your proposed R&D investments bear fruit, you will continue not to get it. I think we could be grateful to people who take up these risky an essential jobs, so that undeserving people like you and I can continue to live our lives posting dismissive comments on RUclips. I wonder if we can invest our way out of stupidity. That would be fantastic no?
@@markedis5902 The world is globalizred im sure you can inport it...
Probably because the liability rules dont really keep these companies in check in case of serious injury/death or simply is a cost they're willing to cover if margins are too good and probably not worth comparing to the amount of money it'd take to change their safety methods.
Safety equipment is more expensive then the cost of getting a new worker.
Making $15k a week and living in Indonesia is insane! That guy is making a TON of money for his coat of living!!!!! Wow
@@yakakus if it's 15k usd they well paid
Don't think 15k a week is in different territory. That's 60K a month. Can't be in Indonesia.
The boy who lived
Certified underwater welders rarely have enough work to do exclusively underwater work. Most of them spend the majority of their work time doing regular welding for regular pay
@deletedaccount2395 according to this video that's not true at all atleast where they live
As much electricity as a power line? Welders work on lower voltage and higher current. Makes you wonder what research they do before making these videos.
As a technical diver, much of the diving information they gave was incorrect. I can't believe an outlet as big as Business Insider would publish such a poorly research report
Sounds like you need more drama in your semi informative videos to overcome the factual errors...
Erie music and sounds play in the backround*
None…it is all BS as 99% of the medias !!!
@@mikea5745and as a welder I doubt he’s making 15k a week
I can attest that they did none
I think the person who made this video (maybe the narrator?) doesn’t know much about what she’s saying. As far as danger, the welding part isn’t the big factor. It’s delta P, drowning and currents.
she's just the narrator tho. Somebody else probably did the research and writing
What’s delta P?
@@CornPop2 more like missed the research and then did the writing
she even calls em masks goggles lmao
@@seanmob2111pressure difference from what I looked up
My dad worked with a guy in the late 80's who was a deep sea welder.... for literally a single day. Went down on his first job with the "Vet", 40 mins in a pipe busted opened and pulled the vet in, never saw him again. That guy quit as soon as he surfaced.
Using a Blood Pressure cuff whilst wearing a thick jacket underneath it isn’t ideal for accurate readings… it’s why paramedics often ask you to roll your sleeves up or take your top off to get to your bare arm to take BP.
thanks doctor, im sure they really arent too concerned with that stuff
They should be @@Dyrdeksk8r
Rolling up your sleeve is even worse, it will limit the blood flow, taking it off is probably also not viable here I guess.
Congratulations man, good for you 😂
First we got TikTok doctors and now we have RUclips doctors 💀
Wait what? His wife died a week earlier with 4 kids? Oh my God how are they even doing this interview?
Yeah. That’s a brutal time to schedule an interview on BI’s part.
It's life man. Gotta put food on the table
15k but not every week... who feels it knows it.. stay up brothers..love from Trinidad and Tobago
From the US been to TT it was awesome
I’ve got some questions as a future welder would u be willing to answer?
@@tedxbundy91 Yes
This is false, these men in Indonesia are not earning 15k a week my friend in this field makes 8k a month in Europe doing this, they are earning FAR LESS. Horrible reporting, no idea where they got those numbers.
Maybe because the work is backlogged with lack of welders, it is less regulated and therefore less costly for management, it is operated from minimal equipment, it has a minimum crew, they operate in much more hazardous conditions and better worker/boss relationships
Not the first time Business Insider just makes things up to make it seem like poor people have it great. According to them, being forced to rent where you live is actually great for me and I’m so rich because I have to pay rent that is significant higher than a mortgage.
1. He's not earning 15k a every week, only during the week when he is on duty. This is also presumably the higher end of the spectrum.
2. I'm personally acquainted with someone who works the same job in an offshore oil rig for a major oil company. He is in his mid 30s and makes the equivalent of 10k during his work week. Offshore oil rigs run by major oil companies pay shitloads.
Less prestigious companies would pay a fraction of this sum, of course, but that would still be a significant sum in a developing country.
In local currency not Euro’s…?
worth mentioning that for an employer the cost of an employee in for example, Germany, is substantially more than the actual wage they receive. That’s before you start getting into Liability, danger compensation, etc. Paying a worker what appears to be a huge wage and having no further responsibility for them is absolutely cheaper in the long run.
Friend in Maine used to do this. He was a deep-sea welder and used something that looked like a hard-shell space suit with robotic arms. Anyway, an accident occurred and he had to surface very quickly. Got the benz and bad things happened. He was in a decompression chamber for a long time and is now permanently disabled, only about 30 or so years old. Walks slowly with a cane and is on permanent disability, but at least he survived.
Dang he got the benz, that's sick bro which model did he get
Bends. It's like a heart attack. Bro, when you're young you don't know what's appropriate, but you need to learn fast. I been there.
The bends is nothing like a heart attack. It's when the water pressure makes the nitrogen in your blood turn into a soluble gas. If you come up too fast then that soluble nitrogen turns into gas causing your blood to boil. Just like opening a can of coke. The pressure changes instantly so the carbon dioxide that's dissolved in the coke turns into gas That's how they describe the bends.
At least he survived, f#¢k that.
@@xisigma Nothing like a heart attack, though it can CAUSE a heart attack.
Bends, aka Decompression Sickness is dissolved gasses emerging from the blood as bubbles due to a rapid decrease in pressure.
It absolutely is nasty, it absolutely will kill or cripple you, but it is NOT like a hear attack....
Heart attacks pass, a bad case of the bends is with you forever.
At 6:46 - he's literally touching the tip of the electrode as he replaces it & no issue (& yes it is still live), even if he touches the tip of the electrode whilst its welding, the chances of death are low as the anode/pile are the grounded to the welding circuit & the current is more likely to still flow directly through them. The danger is if his hand or body touches the anode or pile whilst he is not welding & the electrode is close to shorting through him into the anode or pile closing the welding circuit - just don't ever make personal physical contact with the grounded welding metal. I use to do this type of work & sometimes if the grounding surface is so so, your teeth would vibrate/shatter from the electric current flowing as you weld.
your teeth would shatter???? 😳
@@poindextertunes -_- you know he doesnt mean literally
It's also only DC current.
@@poindextertunes Yip. You could feel your body & teeth tingling, but your teeth more since your face is closer to the electrode as you weld.
The current isn't that bad, we use DC current in the water and the supervisor on the surface controls the current. you tell them to go cold when changing the rod. We also wear rubber gloves.
Hard to tell a developing country that the things that will bring the country wealth are the wrong things to do
in this case, what is right and what is wrong is subjective.
Less education usually equates to less concern about the environment. I think Indonesia's voters care, but it's less on the priority list when you have to eat or have a place to eat/live. Making more money doesn't automatically make you smarter. 🤷♂
@@megamanx466 He literally showed concern about the environment. I think we just tend to view people in developing countries as having that mindset because the US ships all its trash there and then has the balls to say, "Look how dirty and uneducated they are."
Exactly, it's reprehensible for these spoiled westerners to wag their fingers at these developing nations for what the west has already done to become prosperous.
@@alastairhewitt380why are you so obsessed with America?
Evidently those divers aren't earning $15,000 a week.
how much is he earning
4 kids, nice house, plus I don't think he wants to work all the time
It's not an ongoing job, it's an on-demand job. Some passive income would help keep some of that wealth.
@@potatosalad9085 You evidently have no idea how much would be $15000 a week for a family there.
@@_ata_3 yeah, though it is mentioned he's the only breadwinner so he could be saving the money too
Kids has no idea that His dad dealing with his own equipment. Shark & other weird animal is not a problem. but Safety equipment is the main concern
I was an underwater cutter on the Thames Barrier Project in London in the seventies for three years. Now that was black water everything by feel. Insurance stats then reckoned to lose one saturation diver on the North Sea rigs a year, the Thames Barrier - seven, thats how much more dangerous that was. Thankfully no fatalities. I had the best trusted dive team buddies anywhere - Now I'm asked if I hold a Padi certificate 🤣
The seventies were some 50 years ago. That makes you at least 70 years old if not more. The dive shop or dive boat probably doesn't even want to risk having you diving with them because of the liability. Them asking for some recreational diving certificate is the least they can do to check. How else are they supposed to know? Or are they gonna get sued into oblivion if some accident happens.
I went to the barrier as a kid when it was first opened such a massive futuristic looking thing, I bought a little red wooden sailing boat in the gift shop, I used to tie kite string to and sail it in ponds. thank you for your hard work and all the floods its saved us from. the barrier is kind of a forgotten monument of London now I don't know why it fell out of favour on tourists trips and postcards we used to be so proud of it.
@@zhengbq He said "I was a pro when the Earth was still forming" and you said "Nobody knows that, they just see an old person"
@@zhengbq I agree with the certification it makes everybody safer. I was 21 when I was on the project I'm now 65
@@sailingxtremeadventures542 stay safe man
These companies aren’t held by first world standards. They get paid so much because they don’t live as long, and insurance isn’t necessary. Could you imagine how much the insurance would cost the company in a developed country? They figure it’s cheaper to pay poor people a little more, than a company a ton more.
My oldest cousin Barry did underwater welding for BP. Years later he retired because he became blind.
Saint Lucy
how'd that happen?
@@potatosalad9085the glare messes up your eyes.
Let your oldest cousin Barry know that we, the RUclips commentators, are wishing him well! And thank him for his service too.
Partially blind or total blind?
At 6:47 he changes the electrode and just lets it sink to the bottom... Later at 13:35 he says "its not a trash can". The electrode isnt that harmful to the environment etc. but still very ironic.
Can't really see if he actually throw it but it could also be other welders
Bless the man for providing for his children after he has lost his loved one. That's a tough a job, as if burning rods top water isn't hard enough on a hot day. I hope he stays safe
Look at the interaction at 8:33. The student is all smiling and excited, and the teacher is very solemn and aware that he could have been killed super easily. wow
or he is just happy he got his job done while there are no accident
A diving friend of mine went into commercial diving and welding at around the age of 21. He travelled all over the world (including Antarctica!) for work with whichever company offered the best pay and conditions. He has now retired at the age of 40 with multiple investment properties and a very comfortable quality of life.
On the other hand, while diving recreationally together, he has told me about many incidents where he could have easily lost his life while working🙃.
As a former commercial diver, this is very hard to watch. Diving and wet welding are not the deadliest jobs in the work, but what these guys doing is incredibly dangerous. They are missing all the proper life support and safety equipment to dive, much less do underwater hot work.
No underwater welder will die as long as a cameraman is down there filming them
I have a mate who does underwater welding off the coast of Tasmania Australia. He told me the most SCARIEST thing he has to deal with is Leopard Seals🐆🦭 intentionally screwing with him and his team . He said they're super boisterous at times and sometimes a little aggressive messing with the divers equipment.
Leopard seals are the meanest mofos in the ocean.
@@blarfroer8066I’d actually give that honor to Orcas, but definitely in the top three (teenage male dolphins are also utter menaces).
@RryhhbfrHhgdHhgd356 not for humans, though. Leopard seals have shown all sorts of behaviour towards humans, from trying to teach a human to hunt to just grabbing a human and dragging them down into the abyss. Orcas don't attack humans unless they're kept in captivity. Boats yes, but not humans.
There is always a company/employees out there that will do it cheaper just keep working.And push the safety boundaries. Deaths are a added “acceptable” equation into the job summary’s . A lot of people aren’t aware of that.
You would think that the company he’s working for even the government provide him with all the Necessary, safety precautions, especially if they’re high demand and badly needed and to pay for training and everything else you least give him some Assurances and benefits
since when did governments care about their own people?
If you're living in the United States of America and you want to go to a good underwater welding school go to the divers institute of technology in Seattle Washington I went there and I loved it. Best choice to ever made
Huge waste of money, better off going somewhere else or finding a different career altogether
@@kennymfg9 well if your post 9/11 GI bill pays for it and you still have half of your benefits remaining id say go for it...i did and it worked out for me and it was a great experience with great adventures. I dont regret it whatsoever. Being under water is the best thing ive ever done with my life other than joing the Marine Corps.
The government finally shut down mine after killing a few guys. RIP CDA
@@rainmetal that makes sense I paid outta pocket and worked in the industry for like a year before I realized I could make more money working construction and be home every night. There are schools that do it for a fraction of the price as dit though.
I start there dec 2nd 🤘🤘@@rainmetal
Welder here: rather than training certified divers to weld, it would make 1000% more sense to train certified welders to dive!! Even on land, you have to learn to weld in and out of position, sometimes you’re in adverse weather conditions, sometimes it’s raining, snowing, freezing; your ability to see what you’re doing is compromised, your helmet is fogging up, and you have to rely solely on your experience… this takes years. Years. I don’t believe learning to dive takes years.
Could you give us your view on whether their explanation of electrocution risk makes sense? I've only done hobby welding a few times - so know very little - but the risks underwater don't seem significantly different than on land. Other than the fact that you're floating around etc.
Edit: also the "air bubbles keeps the electricity contained" sounds wrong
Wait if the anode is meant to be replaced why is it welded to the pillar in the first place. Would some kind of locking/hanging system be way less expensive?
I guess because of different currents and such it’s safer to weld it in place or atleast that’s my guess
Metal is conductive. It would be less effective if it was attached in another manner.
It has to be galvanically bonded, fasteners would just corrode and lose continuity almost overnight.
@mattflynnter you make no sense an anode would protect its own fasteners well.
As a welding engineer and also as an Indonesian, this video resonates. But whilst there are inherent risks as these chaps experience, it's nowhere near as bad as those underwater saturation divers and welders in the oil and gas industry. To be honest, Indonesia doesn't have that much of a safety culture. It's improving, for sure, but having been to a few job sites where welders and supervisors fail to protect themselves from arc eye or UV, merely utilising fake raybans, or working from height without proper fall arrest gear, or confined space ingress and egress, the danger pay will more than make up for the risks. It also looks like that your first chap lives in a Jakarta Kampung, so you'd regard his modest livelihood as being definitely blue collar. Let's see if their employing organisation is ISO9001 certified.
Shout-out to the cameraman, for putting up this work without getting paid 15k/week.. For those curious about it, they get paid by the hour and you can't dive everyday/every hour.. So hence the average amount possibly could earned..
The Irony. Saying you are concerned ahout the enviornment while working on a project that absolutely will be a big factor in destroying the enviornment. 🤷♂️
Commercial and saturation divers are very brave.
watch out for Reaper Leviathan
oh hell no
Man of culture I see
Terminally online
@@jb76489 Subnautica isn't even an online game you troglodyte
Megalodon as well
150 to 300 dollars an hour to do this job. Those guys retire after the first 5 years because it is a tough job that pays very well. Doctor level money.
Im studying to be a welder, if your using dc is there not essentially 0 risk? i would understand if it was ac but not dc but then again I'm not 100%
May his wife Forever Rest In Peace ♥♥♥♥
they get paid 15K a week and they still live in a place like that? huh
Damn that’s crazy prob can only do it once a few months tho
Shortsighted comment. Not every job will pay that and if they leave WHERE THEY GOING?
Clearly they’re fine. Not everyone opts for a lavish lifestyle. He’s likely keeping the money in savings. He does have 4 children to provide for after all. It’s better to live carefully now and have money for further education when they’re older.
@@OfficialSamuelC Exactly. You have to live relatively close to your job/employer and why blow money when you don't need to? 😅
Everytime is see anything that has to do with divers, memories of fatal accidents with majorly including divers waves by...
I'm surprised how they don't instantly sink to the bottom of the sea with those huge balls of steel.
His wife was worried about something dangerous being around him little did she know the danger was always right in front of him 8:05
isnt scuba equipment cheaper or there is some issue with that?
I doesn't allow for the extreme dive times. They also already need high voltage power so may as well have an air line
@@elonmuskes4874 whats extreme dive time?
@@elonmuskes4874i mean rebreathers and dual tank set ups exist
@@theshadowking3198why would you want a rebreather if you could have a 2 bar compressor at the top? No advantage
@@mateuszcielas33621.5h per cathode they said, with a normal scuba tank you might look at 40-50min at 10m depth, so that’s double that
My cousin is a deep sea welder he has been all over the pacific coast for dives I don’t talk to him much but from what he says he makes a ton money from it and it is insanely dangerous
I wish I’d gotten into this when I was younger. Wouldn’t have to worry about retirement.
that shit is terrifying
The way the host pronounces “Ano-ooode” 😆
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I think being some 50ft underwater for hours on end with minimal vision and control over the water currents around you makes this more dangerous.. not accidentally zapping yourself.
did you get your numbers right? $15K/week ($60K/month) in Indonesia is insane. it's like big CEO level
Even CEOs doesn’t receive that much in salary. Maybe unicorn startups with lots of money to burn.
i assume a lot of it is contractor work, so they wouldn't be working every single week of the year to total up to CEO level yearly salary. And i believe she also said up to 15k/week, not that they all make 15k/week.
@@isk8atparks i look it up, its 350 dollars for a day work (usually its 2 hours). Thats still a lotnof money, but no where near 15k a week and a lot of specialist earns something similar.
@@isk8atparkseven if he works two weeks a year, he would make triple he national average, so he would not be living in such house for sure, my uncle once told me who works in oil and fields, that companies pay third world workers 50-60 bucks a day, atmost 100 if the company is good. Whereas they pay first worlds works like 700-1000 dollars a day
This job is not avaible for long period of time. Its like tender job but more short than civil construction
2x air pressure is only like 30 ft. so not deep at all, literally dont need a cert to dive that depth. you can immediately surface with no danger
O my word whoever wrote this understands nothing about welding. Welding is low voltage and carries basically no risk of electrocution.
I agree :)) I am a welder..I’m listening to this and laughing in the same time…this people have no idea what they’re talking about…welder can’t die by touching electrode …in Malaysia divers do not making that much money! (Especially locals).. I mean look how they leave and look on their equipment that will tell you about their salary..and $15,000 !!! :)))))) even American or UK diver (at least not most of them anyway )not making that much !!!! What a joke
Come on. This is underwater welding, not ordinary welding. It isn't as dangerous as people make it out to be, but it still is dangerous. The two are completely different.
Imagine doing it with no floor beneath you and currents moving you around. Besides that, the bubbles reduce visibility along with the unclear water.
Also salt water is a lot more conductive to air, so if it's not close enough to the anode it can shoot arks out.
@@OnlyMe-mt7zb I’m talking about the risk of electrocution. Of course it’s dangerous, but not because of the welding aspect. People die sometimes while doing regular scuba diving, of course any form of commercial diving is much more dangerous. What makes arc dangerous, it’s just the flow of electricity, if it arcs it’s going to be low voltage arcs.
guys, these guys welded metals underwater.., the required electricity to melt metal underwater is not the same with above ground situation.
Diver towards the end just ripping heaters still in his wetsuit is a vibe.
$15k a week is probably an overstatement. Maybe few people earn such money, but for developing country it's way too much. Or you mention "certified divers", maybe they had to give 90% of their salary for "certification"
They probably make that in a week, the question is how often.
Certification and certified are spelled w a c
@@themonkeyhand Yeah, he might be spending the rest of the time with his kids since he's a single father now and to minimize risk. 🤷♂
@@jeffarmfield2346 oops. English foreign language for me)
Too much??? How much should they get paid?
That BP cuff is being placed in the wrong position. It needs to be placed inside the arm to sense the arterial line
Underwater welder is an excellent job with excellent pay and excellent "hours" !¡!
Highly recommended as a solid career path IF you know how to mansge your mkney !
Just *STAY AWAY* from working on pipes and things that can suck you in and turn you into human hamburger!¡!
Stick to bridges, and jobs where your not in danger of being sucked through a centimetew wide hole !¡!
I’m a welder, but I probably would never do this… Much respect to them tho.
I am often amazed at the choice of narrator Business Insider videos have........... not horrific........not great.......... 6/10............
it was hard to listen to. probably ai
Dude who narrates the military videos should narrate all of them.
"An Ode" just about killed me each time she said it.
thanks for telling me why its so dangerous in the first 15 seconds, that really saved me 15 minutes
These guys need to make safety stops it’s dangerous to go straight up
According to the US Navy tables (Doppler limits), you can stay at 2 atmospheres, which is the pressure mentioned in the video (equivalent to 10 m), for 160 minutes without having to make safety stops. (However, this is only good for the first dive of the day.)
It's Indonesia, here we don't say safety is needed if it means higher pay and less paperwork headaches. Effective but dangerous
That turned into an anti oil rant pretty quick.
your check is in the mail
-Exxon
I do believe that divers are quite well paid for the job that they perform underwater, and hopefully they will continue to be very careful with the job that they do
where do i sign up?
In addition to the errors this video made regarding welding, as others have already noted, the shamless plug around 11:20 about GHGs is also erroneous. GHGs arent killing locals, looking at the smog in the video its pollutants like NOx and SOx, PM, etc.
Great & informative video as always. But it would be better if the editors didn't cut speech in the middle of sentences. It's a bit annoying for me as Indonesian lol.
This was a good clip!!!
Fun fact about The Bajau people of Indonesia, they are like real-life mutants. They have larger spleens, allowing them to hold their breath for up to 13 minutes and dive deep underwater. It's almost like they have superpowers for living in the ocean
13 minutes claim is pure bs by nat geo. Multiple sources have tried to confirm the claim without success
Bro no human holding their breath for 13 minutes 😂
@@roxylius7550 they are realy have bigger spleen, but most bajau in indonesia doesnt free dive anymore, they use same umbilical tool in video. Some youtuber based on indonesia also debunk it already they cant free dive to long.
@@asterinycht5438 yes, I dont dispute that. They have bigger spleen which allows their body to release additional red blood cell and subsequently more oxygen into the body. However, 13 minutes claim has never been validated by anybody other than natgeo. Multiple organization has travelled to indonesia to verify this and so far nothing. Also if they really can hold their breath for 13 minuted or more, they could easily absolutely destroy current world record and earn hundred of thousands from publicity, prize money, etc. So far not a single bajou people is on the leaderboard despite them having connection to outside world through phone, internet, etc so yes, it’s the usual media bs
According to a study published in the March 2011 issue of Diving and Hyperbaric Medicine Journal, the Bajau people had an average dive duration of only 38 seconds. During the study the Bajau people were found to dive to no more than 5-7 metres (16-23 feet) deep. Claims of them diving to 60 metres and holding their breath for 13 minutes are wildly exaggerated and never been demonstrated.
1:08 And does paying these workers well actually make up for the riskths
Yesss here to watch as soon as it dropped
How did we get from the danger of welding under water to pollution and greedy oil companies?
I thought they always used safety sandals in Asia ;)
I lost a cousin under water welding. Rip Jorge Torres 🕊️ Chicago ill.
I wonder how they deal with sharks at some of the oil rigs. Lots of sharks congregate under oil rigs and the workers will throw food down to them lol
I highly doubt the electric shock you could receive from the welding would "kill you instantly" lol.
AFAIK, these guys are just doing stick welding but underwater, and I've shocked myself in the past when doing stick welding and I did in fact not die or cause any damage.
They should just use an attachment slot and then cast the zinc anodes to fit onto the slotting. No need for underwater welding.
It seems like that would be easier and cheaper and safer, so I expect there is some valid reason why they don't do it that we aren't aware of due to insufficient knowledge on the topic. At the very least this alternate solution probably isn't as simple as it seems.
A slot would likely let water get in between the two different metals and defeat the purpose of the sacrificial anode. They need to be in sufficient contact to allow them to interact electrochemically. On a smaller scale it can be done with wires, I'm not sure if that would work on something this big or if more contact is needed, but wires would need to be spot welded anyway.
Doesn’t work that way. It’s not like some 16 year old boy has just figured out a better method for the industry in 7 minutes watching a video while his mom makes him breakfast.
I was gonna do this coming out of high school, but my dumbass got married instead, now im divorced 😂
why? new bridge engineering innovations are not implemented
So how do I become an underwater welder?
Is this voice over AI? the ANode caught me off guard, sounds like the way AI would say it.
I'm a welder. In my 9 years of welding. Not ONE time, when I told someone I weld when I'm with them in person. Never once have they not told me "You need to be an Underwater Welder." It has happened 100% of the time to me, and ALLLLLLLLL of my welding co workers. We all hate it and NO ONE should tell someone else what they should be doing for a living. Thanks For making it worse Business Insider.
Edit: Holy Crap they lied SO SO SO much about the danger. This channel is now a joke to me. Just an FYI, When welding underwater you ARENT APART OF THE CIRCUIT. They dangers of electrocution aren't even close to what they said. The main danger is you may lose your fingers because every time you exhale, the air bubbles blind you. And if you accidently pop a finger off while cleaning the base material or chipping away slag after welding. The decompression time and being out at sea make it so the finger cant be reattached because you take to long to get to a hospital. So yeah, Missing fingers is a sign of underwater welding. No Thanks, I'll stick to my custom fabrication shop.
why is that anode welded? rather than lowered and tied down from above water... you can weld above water that way. The loop is still closed. wtf...
it has to be a strong conneection not only so it does not fall of but because it needs to have a good low restiance metaeal connection so it works properly for taking the rust of the pilliars
@@connorthomas2667 wires are isolated. But... then again, the welded on mass also has limited contact surface.
You can also have periodic checks / current detection... really can't see why'd weld it deep, especially for 15000$ price range of work.
@@connorthomas2667 - A Very large diameter wire can be purchased for 15 000 $ ... and inserted deep into the anode...
Indonesia is forecasted to be in the top 5 economy’s in the world by 2050. It’s not like there isn’t money there
Thats hard graft 15000£ a week is extremely good but very dangerous
How would aluminum act as a sacrificial anode for the column when aluminum doesn’t rust
I thought the deadliest job was being a parent 👀 (Thats what some people have said) Glad this cleared things up
I do both...as much as i love my kids, i still believe my job as commercial diver is less hard than raising kids
Before I even clicked the video - “Nothing about this job sounds easy” lol
Does anyone know the release date?
Where do I sign up?
$15,000 usd or $15,000 Indonesian dollars?
Saya rasa itu $15,000 USD.. karena $15,000 rupiah/Indonesian Dollar bahkan tidak cukup untuk membeli rokok sigarete
Pekerjaan seperti mekanik alat berat atau sejenisnya memang uang nya besar di indonesia.saya sendiri se orang mekanik alat berat di Kalimantan.. saya juga bisa seperti yang ada di video tapi hanya didaratan
The bright light from the ARC would attract alot of different fish species, the danger og underwater welding makes me wonder why more things arent flanged or threaded instead of butt welded?
Business Insider seems to be stupid this time. welding does not use much voltage than 16v but only current which is about 160amp to ignite welding stick.
I’m not a welder, but I’d imagine doing it underwater probably complicates things a bit.
@@StretchReality not as much as you'd think it's counterintuitive
Respect to these welders.
When you are poor, there’s no risk
But if you make 15 grand a week in Indonesia are you really poor?
I know an underwater welder, he drives a Ferrari, has a massive house and is due to retire at 42 with enough money for him and his family to comfortably see the rest of their days out……however dangerous it is, it’s worth it.❤
15 k usd in Indonesia , 😮😮😮😮
Did they say $15k USD a month?
@@js-gc2hk nope a week. Like the guy said, just doing this once a month is enough to cover his household for a few months.
@@js-gc2hk a week
Its 15k rupees a week or equivalent to about 30k dollars a year that was a mistake saying dollars.
@@topopolis Dang the 15k a month just make sense in my head man. But I guess 30k a year is more realistic though that is still pretty high compared to other jobs in Indonesia.
how can he see while welding
According to BI almost every job is the "most dangerous in the world."
So nobody is gonna talk about his wife that passed away a week ago?
It's time we started using robots to do some of these dangerous things.
Making 15K in a week is highly enough for the such a developed country.
It isn't USD
@@soupdrinker It must be USD. If it's in IDR that would be equivalent of cheapest McD burger
@@zeroyuki92 it is not in IDR
@@soupdrinker Then what do you think it would be if it's an article of Indonesian in English and it's not USD or IDR? Vietnamese Dong?
@@zeroyuki92 dabloons
What about eye protection?
Don't get me wrong, but why does someone with a lisp have to comment on this video? Surely someone who is 1.60m tall isn't trying to become a basketball player?
Hahaha