'Green Burials' Are Trendy but Face Surprising Opposition
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2024
- Americans want more choice for one of the last and most important decisions they will ever make: where to be buried. Peter and Annica Quakenbush want to provide fellow Michiganders with more choice by opening the state’s first conservation burial ground-a type of green cemetery that preserves the land in its natural state.
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But Brooks Township opposes the Quakenbushes and, to stop them, banned any new cemeteries. That drastic step violates the Michigan Constitution’s protections for property rights and economic liberty.
Green burial provides a simple and environmentally responsible way to care for the dead. Peter and Annica’s conservation burial ground will provide Michiganders a unique burial option where the deceased are integrated into the environment with minimal disruption to the native forest.
Peter, whose passion for nature led him to pursue a PhD in biology, realized ten years ago that green burial aligns with his and Annica’s personal philosophy of sustainability and closeness to nature. So, they decided to open a burial forest. And they found the perfect location last year in Brooks Township, Michigan. The property is high, dry, and covered in a native forest more than 100 years old-ideal for a burial forest and nature preserve.
The Quakenbushes then approached the township’s zoning administrator, who told them to develop a site plan and get a conservation easement. They followed the administrator’s instructions and took additional steps to ensure the cemetery would comply with green-cemetery certification requirements and state health and safety standards.
Peter and Annica were ready to move forward when the Township Board-spurred on by a small group of activists-passed the Cemetery Ordinance, a flat ban on any new cemeteries in the township. Despite strong support for the plan from a large portion of the community, the board passed the ordinance specifically to prevent the Quakenbushes from opening their cemetery.[1] That’s unconstitutional.
The Michigan Constitution protects individuals’ rights to use private property and engage in any business that doesn’t harm the public. The ban infringes on exactly those rights, prohibiting the Quakenbushes from using their property for a legal and productive economic purpose. Caring for the dead is a fundamental and unavoidable human need. Operating a conservation burial ground is a safe, productive, and legitimate way to earn a living. That’s why Peter and Annica have teamed up with the Institute for Justice (IJ) to file a state lawsuit against the township and end this ban violating the Michigan Constitution.
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With the shift in the ACLU to go more political than civil rights precedent oriented after Nadine's retirement back to being a law prof, it seems IJ has stepped up to fill a serious gap in the PILG arena!
We are grateful beyond words for you, IJ.
I'll bet that if someone wanted to clear the land and build a MEGA Box store on the property there would be no issues so long as the right amount of money crossed the right palms.
That doesn't hold water. The land is owned... it can not be repurposed simply because "someone" wanted "XYZ".
@@Look_What_You_Did ever heard of eminent domain?
@@Look_What_You_Did It happens multiple times a year where a small town or large city decides to evict owners or tenants from property someone wants to build a store, or a golf course, or a palatial McMansion. Owners and tenants get a sudden notice, change of zoning, or the town manager/mayor/wife of gets pissed and imminent domain proceedings have already taken place, the 'official paperwork' was sent to the wrong address 'accidentally" (almost certain its a 'clerical mistake' no harm on their part). Or, are you just a troll who didn't live in the US from 1970 to 2024? Its an endemic issue.
@@dickthedorkwing6082 Again... The land is owned... it can not be repurposed simply because "someone" wanted "XYZ".
@@geneard639 Cite one instance junior.
No light pollution, no lawn mowers, no distant barking dogs or street racing sounds. My kind of place.
Go live in the woods by yourself then.
You're dead...
@@Look_What_You_Did No I'm alive, only democrat voters can act from the grave.
You are on the wrong planet. PS get a life..
Well maybe but dont be so negative! 😂 @@Look_What_You_Did
"Their burial ground would be protected as a native conservation forest forever"
I suspect those words may be a major driving force behind the ban. Perhaps some land developer was looking to graze the forest to build some mcmansions or a shopping center. Then they "asked" town council to help them get the current owners out of the way.
Not likely. This township is 99% rural and is mostly forest with some farms mostly in the north eastern part of the township.
@@420GratefulHippie That only makes this more likely. Land developers LOVE rural farmland.
Or direct competition to the existing cemetery/funeral businesses
@@catherinegarmon3027 This was my thought. The Funeral Service Lobby is a powerful force, indeed. And I can see where they would take issue with these folks.
Do you mean "raze" the forest? I doubt that a land developer would want to eat the grass of the area.
I've never known this kind of public service/business existed. Thank you IJ for taking up this issue.
A few years ago, I visited a monastery near Conyers, GA (east of Atlanta). I think they had a program similar to this, you might ought to check it out for info and ideas.
They have them all over. @ontherocks...my older sister was buried there years ago. It's really nice and peaceful.
What a noble endeavour by both this couple and the IJ. Thank you both for your honorable efforts.
But, but...
Think of the poor concrete vault makers, the monument companies that cut apart mountains to get a slab of stone nobody will much care about in a couple of decades, the traditional cemetery operators and their unsustainable business model, the companies providing embalming chemicals, the cosmetic companies providing a way for people to look somewhat alive when they're in the coffin, the coffin companies making and selling expensive single-use boxes that will be forever put in the concrete vaults...
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All for some rational and ecological alternate burial method?
P-shaw.
You're welcome. Thank you for your kind words and support!!
Why do these town waste their time on passing laws on things that aren’t hurting anyone? Why if they wanted to scatter the ashes instead of bury them? Why isn’t the town focused on the streets and policing and schools where they are needed, instead of making something out of nothing. These are government officials that are looking for problems that don’t exist.
That's what happens when karens get in positions of authority. Petty tyranny & good old-fashioned corruption.
Waste of time? 15 minutes, if that
@@tallthinkev so you think that the town spent NO MORE that 15 minutes on this ordinance? We’ll get ready, because they are going to spend weeks and months and thousands of dollars on this lawsuit. So what’s smarter?
@@barr13 Any local government anywhere, rarely spends time thinking. Apart from thinking how to spend other peoples money!
Because they’re tyrants.
I live near this area. We plan to have a green burial and will be seeking out a site as part of our estate planning process with a local attorney. I fully support this cemetery and this type of burial. This is a very conservative part of Michigan that skews older. Perhaps that is why local officials are blocking this. I hope IJ and this couple win
As long as there is $ to be made from burying people they will fight tooth and nail to keep selling plots, headstones, caskets and all the other stuff that goes with it. Government is completely corrupt vote for less of it.
You do not understand human decomp and the facts that it will kill anything alive around the body for two years straight. Bunch of UN-educated idiots. Bodies are very very very very toxic when the decompose.
I'm a conservative and I have no problem with this idea assuming proper planning goes into making sure the remains do not contaminate the ground water ect... Which is totally doable. In fact as a conservative I am pretty strongly against government interference into private business, and as a Christian I support good stewardship of the land and it's resources. I love this idea. Why wouldn't the township just let what ever concerns they have be known so that the business could make slight adjustments to address them. Total misuse of power.
Old people hate death...
@@jims121479You sound like a TRUE conservative, unlike the busybody Karen types that seem to have usurped that title.
"It's a free country. Do what you want."
"Okay. I'll do this."
"The HELL you will! We won't let you!"
This is so beautiful, visiting a grave is often really sad, if i could walk through a forest and reminisce about my loved ones i think that would be...healing, it would make me feel whole
Thank you :)
Is Steve Lehto the only person in Michigan that understands the State Constitution and isn’t a Karen?
He is an absolute clown. Ask him what the latest case he is entered on... Ask him for the case numbers of any significant wins he has achieved. Losers like you believe the more somebody speaks the greater their credibility. Two types of lawyers. The ones that love to talk about being lawyers... And the lawyers that practice law.
I'm looking forward to hearing his take in this.
It's a crazy story. He's a busy man, so I hope he has time for it.
Steve will definitely weigh in on this one
@mi-lew8526
"Their"?? Steve? Plus someone in addition to Steve? I no longer understand personal pronouns. Please translate!
@@jeffjones6951yes I agree with you I have no idea what that person is trying to say ... whose brother is Sam ?
There's lots of fees attached when one dies. My guess is this somehow has less city fees. I wonder what the cost is to be buried in a place like this.
This is EXACTLY what I have always wanted for myself when my time comes and decided I want to put it in my will one day but I realized I don't know how I would be able to accomplish it, and you guys are trying to make it possible for people like me that understand the natural recycling of energy. These are 2 fantastic and wise human beings and I wish them all of the success possible with this and really hope others do it too in their areas. Thank you
USA needs to deep revise its democracy and institutions
The current informal model leaves to much room for micro tyrants do harm to innocent people, especially at local level
We are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic and we just need to adhere to Artile VI, Clause II of our Constitution.
Constitutional Republic, not Democracy.
Democratic Republic, and we need more local controls, not less. We have slowly been centralizing power over the last 100 years to the detriment of liberty.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle
Article IV Section V of the Constitution: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.”
Pledge of Allegiance: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands...."
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle local governments can be just as tyrannical as broader institutions.
Follow the Money and Power, someone is somehow influencing forces to push the Township into this decision, either parties have vested interest in other businesses that would be affected by this potential business model or others wanted the land for themselves that the Couple got ahold of and are attempting to pressure them to forfeit their plans.
What a beautiful idea and plan, and I wish this couple the best. This is why I support IJ monthly. ⬅
Thanks for your support!!
Yes, thank you so much for your support!
Conventional cemeteries since the American civil war have become one of our worst environmental nightmares. Embalming fluids such as formalin leak out of coffins over time polluting soils and shallow groundwater with deadly toxins.
Green Burials, by contrast, do not involve deadly embalming fluids. The body's nutrients are safely returned to the forest. Also, Green Burials do not create the large carbon footprint of cremation, or of cutting down mahogany forests in Africa and shipping the ecologically plundered wood half way around the globe to fashion $15k caskets.
Thank you, IJ, for supporting this important endeavor!
Well said!
@@DeborahFlorian-gy6lw
Thanks, Deborah, for reading my hastily written, run-on sentence review! This is an ecological issue I'm passionate about. [Don't get me started on single-use plastics]
I generally skip long posts, but your post was exceptionally written with passion. Too often, people are told to cut back to save the planet, but it's the major companies and countries that waste the most and nothing is done.
@@jeffjones6951 I found your post to be very well written and spot on. And I feel the same about plastics, micro /nano plastics have infiltrated the cores of all living matter. It does not bode well.
I want my body to be absorbed back to nature. This makes more sense than the traditional overpriced and polluting cemetery.
I've wanted this for years... I was told it was illegal. Well I know where I'm going now. 🙂
So you were allegedly told it is illegal. You use emojis. You most certainly can not back up any of your claims with facts or evidence. Ladies and gents... I present you a trumptard.
“How dare these pesky peasants passaway!? They don’t need any resting places! They need to just go away completely!”
Peter highlights that their work is not like conventional cemeteries, with headstones and markers. What he describes, funny enough, is "modern" conventional cemeteries. What he and Annica are trying to resurrect (pardon my pun) is ACTUAL conventional cemeteries that may or may not use any markings altogether, like in the days of old. Even some of these burial practices are are still employed in some very rural parts of this great country as of today. This does not subtract from the importance of one's passing, or more importantly, the celebration of their life, but like they describe, highlight the "dust to dust" mentality that some religions reference and some folks wish to keep in remembrance.
A forest burial, for me, conjures up memories of the movie "Klaus." Klaus's wife's spirit still lives on in the magical-like wind that passes through the creaking trees and in the rustling leaves. Besides the positive ecological impact and more than likely cost savings in a difficult time for family members of the deceased, to be able to imagine walking with their passed loved one through a calming forest seems like a better experience than crouching over one's grave that may or may not have been maintained by the grounds personnel during that month, year, or even decade. I cannot speak to why the government officials would have considered this practice one to prohibit, but I do hope they change their minds and/or at least explain their initial intentions and why Peter and Annica were never consulted before changing their town's code of ordinances.
Thanks for your comment!
My sister RIP had a green burial in Conyers GA years ago. The only headstone used is a natural rock with their name and date on it. Only real flowers can be used as they melt into ground. It's peaceful there. It's actually land owned by a monastery that is across the street.
@@bethshadid2087 That sounds very peaceful
Because it’s always better to have more big box stores or parking lots. More valuable than a life.
Yeah, city wants to demo land at some point, it seems.
Let me guess: Someone on that council has a brother-in-law or something that owns the nearest traditional cemetery.
I wonder if this was discussed in open meetings? And if the state's open meetings rules were observed?
*I heard about this type of burial years ago, and I personally believe that this is how it should be done!! Too many people are making too much money 💵 off of the grief of others. Years ago, this is how a family buried their loved ones. I want to be cremated because I do not like the idea of taking up space for the living. Imho*
A convent on the coast of California was sold for development, so the few remaining nuns could satisfy their old age costs. The only contract provision was that the burial of nuns over the years would not be disturbed. Looking at the litlle cemetary, the developer agreed. After the sale and at every planning hearing, a nun would show up and explain that a home, road, utility line, etc. couldn't go there because that's where Sister So & So would pray and was eventually buried. Turns out that the good Sisters, over the decades, had peppered the entire tract with their remains.
Now that's land preservation.
That's because they (the town) want to be able to MOW the FOREST DOWN and DEVELOP IT...
Here’s an idea to do to get what you want-team up with local forensic classes and forensic units in your area and dedicate a part of the forest for learning- they have the same thing in Florida! And people can actually donate their bodies for this type of forensic teaching and once the body is fully decomposed to bone then that person can be actually buried in the regular forest area. It might help getting some high profile forensic office to back you up. Just an idea. I plan on donating my body for future forensic students to learn from by being laid out exposed to the elements so they can learn different steps of decomposition. It’s a good thing.
Makes a lot of sense, especially the land conservation part.
This is inequality before the law
If you own the land you should be free without the interference of the state to do as you please save what is necessary for the protection of public health, safety and welfare.
Targeted laws to prevent just one business under the guise of a blanket ban....didn't some counties ban all marriages to not have to perform same-sex marriages...this kind of pointed and targetted law is not a reason to be a politician...it is a reason to not be a politician.
Before any of this green burial was a thing, I have always said “don’t cry for me instead plant a tree“ and then that tree would be there for the family to tend instead of visiting some hole in the ground. I’ve also always been registered to donate my entire body to, organ transplant or cadaver. Whatever they want to do with it because once I go to heaven, it’s just an empty shell. God bless these people and may justice be served in accordance with His will! Ty IJ! God bless your ministry! ✝️🙏🏼🥰
Thanks for the story.
Thanks for the work.
It's good work
I cannot believe that a West Michigan township bans cemeteries!! I live over an hour away from Newaygo.
Follow the money ..... someone is making money from stopping this cemetery.
Or they want the land for development.
This is essentially 3 roads and 34 square miles composed almost entirely of woods and a lake .
All of 3500( ish ) population , and , that likely includes random forest creatures .
BTW , might be worth pointing out that there is already a traditional cemetery which may now be banned .
I certainly hope the current residents of the cemetery will not be fined for their flagrant disrespect of this new ordinance.
It might also be worth investigating to see if there are any folks already buried on the site of the proposed new cemetery , especially native Americans or even early settlers .
It may not help their cause but It would be hilarious to offer their service free of charge to any current elected officials in said township .
So prime Devlopment land...that's the real reason for the ban.
I support this 100%!!
Legislature needs to consider more nature/business win wins like this. Parks can’t do the job alone. We need more people like this willing to manage land for biodiversity.
all these cities/towns/counties have gotten away with this tripe for too long. glad to see you fighting back.
i’m all for this there’s so much put in the ground with all the concrete and chemicals.
There's a lot worse places to spend eternity, than that forest.
This is a good idea. Why would anyone want to ban it?
121479 is my birthday!
Someone is paying someone to do this. Follow the money.
Funerals are big money. Even cremation is stupid expensive. There are a handful of funerary corporations that control most companies and homes. Shock and surprise, right?
This could entirely be old conservatives town leaders just being assholes. It's a very popular thing in rural areas.
Town might as well try to Banned hospitals or banned trash. Cemeteries are a necessary thing their is no reasonable person that would support banning disposal of human remains.
I live in the UK but what a lovely idea and environment
Lien gov employees bonds.
If there is burial in the woods, MAKE SURE TO CUT THE TREE ROOTS CLEANLY, and don't mangle them. Like a pruning cut. Thx.
Arborist Red
I've been fascinated with the idea of sky burial since I saw it in a movie and this is just as good.
Sounds like the city has other plans for that location. Why else would they try to prevent a cemetery. Cemetary's are always protected and i'd say its frowned upon to get rid of them in exchange for building something where it was, so i'd think that the city was planning on buldozing it and zoning it and you were preventing them.
"Mr. Krabs, what made you build a restraunt RIGHT next to your other restraunt!?"
"MONEY!"
I’m guessing there’s a corporation involved in lobbying the govt to get that land grab
Another failed argument. Why do you clowns choose to overlook land ownership? Do us a favor. Donate to IJ, and keep your trap shut on legal matters.
Time to investigate what local fumeral home owners gave donations to local politicians
Don't die until you arrive at the Township Hall or the Mayor's house.
Who wants the land and for what reason
They do
Build more Walmarts and targets that bring in profit and foot traffic
Probably going to sell it to China or Blackrock
Why do you let the state do it in the first place.
Stop begging for permission from your masters.
What ever happens is because of your non actions
The project sounds somewhat out of the box, but it's actually a wonderful idea. It's likely because of pushback from the local "funeral home, cemetery and headstone making" lobby and the fact they can't figure out how to keep increasing the property tax.. The irony is my small town purchased piece of property and plans to plant trees on it (most of us live on acreage and have plenty of trees and we have a city park). I thought to myself yesterday why they didn't make it a cemetery since our town doesn't have one.
I dont know why they would want to ban those. In all the towns I have been to with cemeteries, people have been dying to get into one.
Once again our gubment sticking their nose it where it doesn't belong . Screw the nanny state . Thank you IJ for taking on this case .
"im from the government and im here to help!"
but seriously, this is scummy of the township to do.
This couple impresses me.
Of course the Gov tries to ruin a wonderful thing, I’d love to do this over a traditional cemetery as I don’t agree with traditional ones.
It’s the casket and funeral parlor lobbyist…your cutting it to their market…
A truck driver who deliver trailer loads of caskets told me how much it costs to make a casket. I forget the exact amount, but it was hardly anything, and they are sold for thousands!
@@debluetailfly that’s called capitalism….if people don’t know the cost to produce a product and you marketed a want into a need…you can charge whatever you want
@@maddogwillie1019 Nope, LAWS force people to buy a casket to be buried. A few have learned to make their own, but most don't know how. Most people don't choose to die so they can buy a casket. Death is inevitable, and the funeral industry takes advantage of that. Capitalism must be tempered with Christianity. Capitalism is about making a profit, but not about ripping people off by forcing a product on them.
Apparently, the township has never heard of The Constitution's ban on Bills of Attainment.🤔🤔🤔😡😡😡
I had to google this, Bills of Attainder are laws meant to punish perceived crimes without a jury trial. Notably although this is an absurd situation, it is likely not a bill of attainder as it is not attempting to circumvent due process, merely violate the right to do with one's land as they please.
@@flazzorb My understanding is that Bills of Attainment are also when laws are designed to specifically to punish one person/ group, in this case, the people who own the cemetery.
I will be donating to this cause. And if allowed, I will definitely be a customer. I don’t want someone digging up my ashes in 200 years it’s insane how we play on the emotions of grieving people shame into buying coffins they can’t afford gravesites that need maintaininguntil they’re not. We need to wake up.
Thanks for your support!
They need to leave you alone! I want to be buried like that but without a marker, stone etc. It's just a body and my soul won't be there so I won't be there. Hope something like this comes to my area of Texas. Currently all there is in my town is a body farm for studying body decay. Heidi
I totally agree. When we pass we are nowhere near the husk we left behind.
This brought tears to my eyes. The township's opposition is tragic and mean.
Wow! Never know an idea like this existed. IJ please save this business.
The township is doing this because cemeteries usually don't pay property taxes, and these folks apparently own a lot of property. The township wants their $$$!
Amazing ❤
Such a beautiful natural forest. Not one of those artificial cemeteries with concrete and artificial turf.
As a free market person, I would expect in a free market situation precedent from previous arbitration would result in a prospective cemetery owner to pay all the neighbors whatever would allow them to alter the neighboring property. Once that's done no one else would have any say, such as a local government. Unfortunately, we have a weird government run zoning system, which means these owners didn't pay the neighbors anything, so it's understandable if they seek change, but existing developers should be grandfathered in under the old system. For example, if someone plans to buy a house, buys the lot, and then the law is changed that says that a house can't be built there, then the government should at least pay them back full price for the property for basically stealing their investment.
Feed the trees
The ethos of your business is beautiful. I find traditional cemeteries to be loathsome and a waste of space. No offense to the dead or their loved ones. And yes, I know we can’t just bury people willy nilly without thought to property and hygiene. But we’ve also forgotten how we come from the earth, take from the earth all our lives, and yet wish to be preserved in a box leaching chemicals into the soil instead of returning to the earth. I hope you win your fight.
It will be interesting to see how this comes out. I know in my area, people have to be put in a casket and then a concrete vault. That is a big reason why funerals are so expensive,
Honestly.. feel like there is some missing information here.. How big is the piece of land.. is the organization going to maintain it in perpetuity or will that fall on the state/township?
The problem is when you are a business you are required to show the government that you are following the laws. They are making a law directly shutting down the business.
It is possible that the business could stay operational with a change in words and licenses for body disposal while doing the same thing. The problem is the marketing would most likely need to change and many people would not like it.
When you are dealing with the law, you are dealing with the letter of the law.
In the description below the video it states that it's private property, so I don't see why the township would have any responsibilities toward it. It sounds like these people own this forest, but when they were trying to get it zoned for commercial use, the township instead passed an ordinance against them.
That could all be addressed in the permitting process. Every government agency I've worked with has had processes for making sure a cemetery is maintained even after the organization that runs it collapses. It's never a perfect process, but it's in place everywhere because cemeteries aren't a new concept. I suspect this township has multiple already in it. And worse case they could pass an ordinance to make sure that stuff was taken care of if they didn't already have one.
What information I think is missing is the fact that I know in my state (PA) ordinances have to be advertised, and during the permitting process the township should have told them directly this would be coming up so they could come to meetings and talk about it, review the ordinance before passing to get an attorney to help them stop it if it's directed at them. The advertising rules are... old and out dated in my state, impossible for the majority of people to know what is going on. Is it the same there, and maybe new laws are needed to change that? Maybe current constitutional laws already address this issue with papers no longer being read by a majority / etc ? They are leaving out a ton of details in this video, but I suspect an update will have those. They do a great job explaining cases and this appears to be just a promotional video for the case rather than a case video.
The only thing I can see that would be an issue is liability if this business model does not work out. Who takes responsibility? Plenty of failed private cemeteries litter the country and the local jurisdiction holds the bill after the fact. Without a formal cemetery being laid out, how do you dig up the bodies buried? Granted in Europe, you typically get a set amount of time for a plot and if your estate / family does not pay the renewal, you're remains are removed and the plot reused.
Time...time will "take care" of it, bodies decompose and without chemicals, it will impact the environment little to none. My guess as its prime real estate for development, that is the real reason for the ban.
Sounds like a great place! I love the Green Burial idea and plan to do that as I hate the idea of burning fossil fuels for cremation, or chemical embalming. Natural burials have been the way for all time until relatively recently. It's time to go back to the natural ways and not fight mother earth.
who on the town council has or is related to someone in the funeral industry ... follow the money !!
Welcome to Michigan. The only state we’re we have township that are illegal because they don’t represent the people.
Actually that's every state, unfortunately. The rampant daily corruption and abuse far out weighs any good the government might accidentally do. Such a broken system, it's disgusting.
Is there any environmental or health concerns with this? I honestly don't understand what the issue would be as long as it's properly regulated
My home state has become so totalitarian it’s sad.
Always with the theatrics. Ever stop to consider how many events you make larger in your mind than they really are? Can you think of any past experiences or assumptions that turned out to be false? Stop with the fatalism. These are ordinances...
@@ShainAndrews those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it.
Are you sure someone on the planning board of the town.. Does not want to use this piece of property for something Else . Sure sounds like that to me.
That's my take on it.
Would there be any type of marker for each individual, or just know they are there somewhere?
I hope you have success.
I would like to know how much money the council has in the local cemetery. 🤔
Cemeteries are a waste of land. This is a excellent idea though!
100%
Unless they are protecting nature! :)
What about spreading the ashes? Then it can't be considered a burial? It's what I want for myself.. hen i heard ut it, i was thrilled as my option was to try and guess when my time was near, go for a long hike, and find a cave or whatever. I worked with a man who was studying to be a funeral director, he gave me rides to work and back (I was on his route) and during those rides and during lows - we sold auto parts - he had me quizzing him on the practice test questions of each chapter. I learned more about the subject and how ruthless the practices are than anyone would want to know. I doubt this service could be allowed in my State. There's a law that you *must* be buried in a coffin. I'd much rather be food for nature or lie peacefully under a green tree.
It would be good to know why all cemeteries have been banned by the township. It seems odd to post this video without providing that information.
All cemeteries were banned specifically to stop us from opening this burial forest cemetery.
Shame on that decision in that township.
Grrrrr.
Sounds like someone wants to be able to use that property for something else
Does the state have embalming requirements even if you were to end up directly in the ground?
I hope not. Would violate the very concept of Green Burials to create point sources of deadly formalin contamination in soils and shallow groundwater.
Embalming is a relatively new convention, popularized after Lincoln's body needed to be preserved for a long funeral procession to Illinois. To me the practice of embalming bodies seems macabre
are they ''DEATH DULAS'' also?
l ran into that type in my job countless times. they would ONLY do things the ways that ALREADY EXISTED. its a form of OCD, stubbornly blind and deaf to ANYTHING new or different.
i could see few potential issues but as long as they had a environmental scientist to come in and do thorough investigation of down stream affects and was cleared i'd see no issue. love the idea personally.
You are not making any sense
@@TheLast-One *effects
Actually a better idea, no maintenance required 😊
There are lots of unconstitutional ordinances passed in communities all over the nation. The concern could be a land use change in the future upon the couples’ death the land would not be useable due to dead human bodies buried in the ground.
How about “AQUAMATION”?
Legal issues aside, I'm curious about the business now. Is it cheaper than the usual cemetery scam? I always thought the whole industry was a racket, would be nice if this subverted it.
I love the idea!!! Personally I want to be cremated but it’s a terrific idea. Giving back to nature is a magical activity but I just don’t want to take up any more space
We think of conservation burial as "holding space" rather than "taking up space."
@@TheBurialForest I understand what you mean, I would truly love to give back to nature when I’m gone. I try and give to the world now, I have O-Negative blood so I donate several times a year. Thought about donating my body to the science of NC State, I’m from North Carolina, but they place bodies in many different circumstances to determine the degradation factors and timing of decomposition.
If people want to be buried like this, what's the harm?
I guess the ease of hiding corpses for the gangs.
@@buysncharge Why is that you have to have same paperwork as traditional cemetery.
@@Overonator well loose corpses in a large forest are harder to find than ones buried neatly in rows.
@@buysncharge I think you have a misunderstanding how this works. It's not like someone shows up with a body and wants to bury it, no questions asked in the ground with an unmarked undocumented grave site.
Most city policies are ostensibly universal but in reality it’s those in power targeting certain people or groups with “clever” ordinances that they think insulate them from liability for their political retaliation. Of course, this works most of the time because people don’t have resources to fight back and even when they do, the courts bend over backwards to excuse government conduct. E.g., see Gonzales v Trevino.
And what makes you think you know anything about that?
Good to see you in the wild bud! Keep up the good fight down there.
San Francisco did this over a 120 years ago!
it’s crazy how people try to have least impactful deaths , but live the most impactful life styles on the planet
The problem is they want to do natural burials. Theres not as much profit it those. So the funeral industry has lobbied hard to maks it illegal in many palces ro be buried naturally. You're required to be pumped full of awful chemicals to preserve your body ( for no reason other than it cost more) then the casket has to be put inside a concrete case... so you never decomposes and take up space even while dead. Because.... right it gets them more money... it cost at least 10k to die in America...
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