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Thanks Owens.. just can't say enough how much I get out of your and the other instructors' lessons...combing the patterns and scales together is exactly where I'm at now.
Great info. I always used to use ONLY that A string fret for the second note of the scale because my pinky couldn't easily make it to the one on the Low E string. I know much of this, but need to MEMORIZE the letter shaped box patterns more thoroughly. Thanks!!
I understand that we can use the five patterns across the fretboard and that the root note determines what key it is in but how do you choose what pattern to use and when to use it?
So when you mix that 'G-Shape Pattern' with the 'E-Shape' and 'A-Shape', are you mixing 'A-Minor Pentatonic Scale' with 'E-Minor Pentatonic Scale' etc?
I'm guessing it's only half the job learning the 5 shapes,but without knowing the Root notes and notes of each chord ,it makes it near impossible to chase a chord progression and have the lead fit in with it.
Coz notes on the 1st fret will repeat on 13th fret to 24th
5 лет назад
I'm sorry but I'm an older beginner, for one I have a hard time understanding because of the accent, but also because it is over my head, I don't know if I'll ever figure this pentatonic stuff out.
Hi Kent, you're not alone. Let's see if i can help a bit. Pentatonic is a 5 note scale. A minor is rooted in A only because it's called the A minor pentatonic. Root it on B..or D then it's a B minor or D minor. All the positions can be played anywhere. They'll sound a little different because the notes and order of notes change. Realise that when you play A to C you probably use your first and 4th finger (pinkie), That's one interval. D to E..G to A.. C to D..1st and 3rd finger and E to G 1st and pinkie again and the 1st string is the same as the 6th..1st and pinkie again. As your then playing the same notes in each position in A those intervals are the same, they're in your fingers, just a different order. Play it in say D the intervals are the same. As to trying to get to grips with the A minor pentatonic if you're trying to use all 5 positions at you are going to struggle, because just learning patterns like this really teaches you nothing..other than the pattern. Just stick to position one and start from the 1st string, because using it for a solo you're mostly using the first 4 strings..people learn it the wrong way round. Just stick to the first 3 strings and the A on the 6th fret 4th string. Start a lick on A and end (resolve it) on an A note. Move it around on the fret board. Maybe use A..D..E..a 1 4 5 chord progression. Learn as much as you can about that part of the scale. Use that to improve picking, bends etc. Learn which notes sound best when you bend them. After a while add the D on the 1st string..then A from the G on the 2nd string. and so on. The more you learn you'll soon be able to fill in the other positions quite easily. You'll know the intervals. If you don't know intervals then look into that because everything you play is built from intervals. Intervals are music. The distance between any 2 notes, which never changes, and the time between 2 notes which does change..that's where rhythm and time come from. If you're still not sure look search on you tube for the Peter Green scale. He used only 2 positions for most of his guitar work..with 2 added notes. In fact Look up Dave Simpson, he has around 5 videos on Peters' playing and shows his scale. In effect it uses around half the fret board give or take. And he explains very well how he used it. Also Peter used very simple chords a lot of the time as well. I think you could benefit from checking this out. I use the Peter Green scale a lot myself because it works. He created the intro to need your love on this scale. Hope this helps you out kent and anyone else who's interested. The one thing i would say is make sure your guitar is correctly set up, string height and intonation..which i call harmonising the strings so they're all in harmony with their 5 mates. Like a barber shop quartet..Nothing will sound right if it isn't and odd string heights will make playing difficult. There's loads on you tube about that if you need it. It's one of the reasons many people give up. Or take it to a guitar shop if you have one any where..it'll cost a few quid but it's well worth it. I don't know if you've done that so apologies if you have. Let me know how you get on, i'll keep this page on a tab. I'd be interested.
5 лет назад
@@ianrichardson3968 Thanks Ian, I don't have a clue what you're talking about I'm sorry, but I've never had a lesson or formal training, I can't read music and the new tab system just sucks! The old tabs at least I new what cord and how to make it but I can't remember all the cords and the numbers don't mean anything to me. I need a teacher but can't afford it.
Hi Kent. Kinda hard to explain on here. The numbers aren't as difficult as you might think. It's just a system that numbers notes of a scale 1 - 7..in basic terms. I couldn't think of a video lesson from the very beginning to suggest. The one they recommend below will get you started though. I don't know if they have a series to go to the next step etc. If so great. If not i'd recommend justin guitar.com. He has a beginners lesson course which is free and the lessons on there are free. Most are any way. And he is good. As to reading music you really don't need to, Do you ever see a band with sheet music? No. Orchestras yes, bands no. One thing i will say is learning to play these things ain't easy and everyone who teaches it has their own ways of doing that. I have my way because i learned that i'd done it the hard way and arse backwards in many ways I do not teach scales and have someone learning scale patterns for weeks on end.I teach them what scales are and they can play any scale they like no tab needed. Once you get into the scale theory, which is not that difficult, remember what i said..intervals..everything in music is intervals. Once you figure them out you do not need tabs to play scales. If you really struggle though and just can't get the hang of it and you do want to play guitar, think about a 3 string cigar box guitar. The fretted ones cost a bit more but 3 strings is a whole lot easier than 6. I love em. I have a couple of old guitars with 3 strings and they are awesome. And one of em is just unplayable with 6 on it..! Check out one seasick steve.. Any way, hope you get there in the end, Good luck with it.
5 лет назад
@@ianrichardson3968 Yes I ordered my Fender Deluxe Stratocaster from my local dealer and I had him set it up for me right away. Because I had him help me with getting some mods done so it's unique and customized to my vision for this guitar, Fender's color schemes are so ugly you'd think they got their ideas from Ford motor Co., now it's 10X nicer than what Fender sent it like. I just don't know the cords or know what and how to make it come together.
Hi Kent, sounds good..and yes there are times when i wonder who comes up with some of the colour schemes.. Then again i've repainted a few guitar bodies and spent ages trying to think what colours to use. I'm with Henry Ford one one thing though..when in doubt go with black. Only prob there can be the finger prints.. Funnily enough a mate of mine has a Pink strat..and it looks really good believe it or not... So any hoo, how did you find the video the guys suggested?
I too am an older player and struggle big time with this. To me if you don't know or learn where the same notes are on the fretboard you'll never be able to master the 5 shapes....in fact I've started and given up many times....just find it too difficult.
I'm 68, and started learning these boxes a couple years ago. Rather than stress over all five, learn one well. Then add one, maybe the next higher, and incorporate that. You actually Don't Need to know where All the notes are, but you must know the root note of your scale for the first one. Learn One. You must drive somewhere you've not been before but manage to find your way back there again or find something in a store that you couldn't locate and remember where it was after a few visits. You're not too old to know these. Then knowing the notes will come as you go. Don't make it more difficult than it is. In actuality, it's the same pattern everywhere, just started on a different string--which becomes apparent if you do them enough. Like an organized jumble. or blejum. Same thing.
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Thanks Owens.. just can't say enough how much I get out of your and the other instructors' lessons...combing the patterns and scales together is exactly where I'm at now.
Great info. I always used to use ONLY that A string fret for the second note of the scale because my pinky couldn't easily make it to the one on the Low E string. I know much of this, but need to MEMORIZE the letter shaped box patterns more thoroughly. Thanks!!
Thank you for explaining that in an easy to understand way.
I've been playing guitar for 25+ years...and I'm just now learning how to add the other shapes in about 3 weeks ago, this lesson is awesome, thanks!
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Absolutely an awesome lesson and thanks for sharing your tips.
Good one Owen! Thank you.
I understand that we can use the five patterns across the fretboard and that the root note determines what key it is in but how do you choose what pattern to use and when to use it?
nice, thank you for the video!
You are my favorite teacher!
Thank You Owen.
Nice work Owen :)
Awesome Owen, :)
Good stuff Owen from a few months ago. Are you still with GMM ?
I simply can't imagine why us older guys might be having trouble remembering and memorizing things! Hmmmm? LOL!
Remembering what..i 've forgotten....
Sorry I don’t understand - how is it the G Shape on the tenth fret?
So when you mix that 'G-Shape Pattern' with the 'E-Shape' and 'A-Shape', are you mixing 'A-Minor Pentatonic Scale' with 'E-Minor Pentatonic Scale' etc?
@@rayfeldman1070 Thanks Ray, he should have said that haha. So this lesson is basically just moving around the D Minor Pentatonic Scale.
@@The_Apothecary Yes. I also don't get why he calls them A, E, G "Shapes", but it is all D Minor in this example. I call them box one, two three etc.
This is funny, i have been doing this for a while, without knowing what i was doing, it just sounded right, and now it makes sense.. :-)
owen you ledge thankyou
I'm guessing it's only half the job learning the 5 shapes,but without knowing the Root notes and notes of each chord ,it makes it near impossible to chase a chord progression and have the lead fit in with it.
Coz notes on the 1st fret will repeat on 13th fret to 24th
I'm sorry but I'm an older beginner, for one I have a hard time understanding because of the accent, but also because it is over my head, I don't know if I'll ever figure this pentatonic stuff out.
Hi Kent, you're not alone. Let's see if i can help a bit. Pentatonic is a 5 note scale. A minor is rooted in A only because it's called the A minor pentatonic. Root it on B..or D then it's a B minor or D minor. All the positions can be played anywhere. They'll sound a little different because the notes and order of notes change. Realise that when you play A to C you probably use your first and 4th finger (pinkie), That's one interval. D to E..G to A.. C to D..1st and 3rd finger and E to G 1st and pinkie again and the 1st string is the same as the 6th..1st and pinkie again. As your then playing the same notes in each position in A those intervals are the same, they're in your fingers, just a different order. Play it in say D the intervals are the same.
As to trying to get to grips with the A minor pentatonic if you're trying to use all 5 positions at you are going to struggle, because just learning patterns like this really teaches you nothing..other than the pattern. Just stick to position one and start from the 1st string, because using it for a solo you're mostly using the first 4 strings..people learn it the wrong way round. Just stick to the first 3 strings and the A on the 6th fret 4th string. Start a lick on A and end (resolve it) on an A note. Move it around on the fret board. Maybe use A..D..E..a 1 4 5 chord progression. Learn as much as you can about that part of the scale. Use that to improve picking, bends etc. Learn which notes sound best when you bend them. After a while add the D on the 1st string..then A from the G on the 2nd string. and so on.
The more you learn you'll soon be able to fill in the other positions quite easily. You'll know the intervals. If you don't know intervals then look into that because everything you play is built from intervals. Intervals are music. The distance between any 2 notes, which never changes, and the time between 2 notes which does change..that's where rhythm and time come from.
If you're still not sure look search on you tube for the Peter Green scale. He used only 2 positions for most of his guitar work..with 2 added notes. In fact Look up Dave Simpson, he has around 5 videos on Peters' playing and shows his scale. In effect it uses around half the fret board give or take. And he explains very well how he used it. Also Peter used very simple chords a lot of the time as well. I think you could benefit from checking this out. I use the Peter Green scale a lot myself because it works. He created the intro to need your love on this scale.
Hope this helps you out kent and anyone else who's interested.
The one thing i would say is make sure your guitar is correctly set up, string height and intonation..which i call harmonising the strings so they're all in harmony with their 5 mates. Like a barber shop quartet..Nothing will sound right if it isn't and odd string heights will make playing difficult. There's loads on you tube about that if you need it. It's one of the reasons many people give up. Or take it to a guitar shop if you have one any where..it'll cost a few quid but it's well worth it. I don't know if you've done that so apologies if you have.
Let me know how you get on, i'll keep this page on a tab. I'd be interested.
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Thanks Ian, I don't have a clue what you're talking about I'm sorry, but I've never had a lesson or formal training, I can't read music and the new tab system just sucks! The old tabs at least I new what cord and how to make it but I can't remember all the cords and the numbers don't mean anything to me. I need a teacher but can't afford it.
Hi Kent. Kinda hard to explain on here. The numbers aren't as difficult as you might think. It's just a system that numbers notes of a scale 1 - 7..in basic terms. I couldn't think of a video lesson from the very beginning to suggest. The one they recommend below will get you started though.
I don't know if they have a series to go to the next step etc. If so great.
If not i'd recommend justin guitar.com. He has a beginners lesson course which is free and the lessons on there are free. Most are any way. And he is good. As to reading music you really don't need to, Do you ever see a band with sheet music? No. Orchestras yes, bands no.
One thing i will say is learning to play these things ain't easy and everyone who teaches it has their own ways of doing that. I have my way because i learned that i'd done it the hard way and arse backwards in many ways
I do not teach scales and have someone learning scale patterns for weeks on end.I teach them what scales are and they can play any scale they like no tab needed. Once you get into the scale theory, which is not that difficult, remember what i said..intervals..everything in music is intervals. Once you figure them out you do not need tabs to play scales.
If you really struggle though and just can't get the hang of it and you do want to play guitar, think about a 3 string cigar box guitar. The fretted ones cost a bit more but 3 strings is a whole lot easier than 6. I love em.
I have a couple of old guitars with 3 strings and they are awesome. And one of em is just unplayable with 6 on it..! Check out one seasick steve..
Any way, hope you get there in the end, Good luck with it.
@@ianrichardson3968
Yes I ordered my Fender Deluxe Stratocaster from my local dealer and I had him set it up for me right away. Because I had him help me with getting some mods done so it's unique and customized to my vision for this guitar, Fender's color schemes are so ugly you'd think they got their ideas from Ford motor Co., now it's 10X nicer than what Fender sent it like. I just don't know the cords or know what and how to make it come together.
Hi Kent, sounds good..and yes there are times when i wonder who comes up with some of the colour schemes.. Then again i've repainted a few guitar bodies and spent ages trying to think what colours to use. I'm with Henry Ford one one thing though..when in doubt go with black. Only prob there can be the finger prints.. Funnily enough a mate of mine has a Pink strat..and it looks really good believe it or not...
So any hoo, how did you find the video the guys suggested?
Step 1: learn the notes on your guitars
I too am an older player and struggle big time with this. To me if you don't know or learn where the same notes are on the fretboard you'll never be able to master the 5 shapes....in fact I've started and given up many times....just find it too difficult.
I simply can't imagine why us older guys might be having trouble remembering and memorizing things! Hmmmm? LOL!
I'm 68, and started learning these boxes a couple years ago. Rather than stress over all five, learn one well. Then add one, maybe the next higher, and incorporate that. You actually Don't Need to know where All the notes are, but you must know the root note of your scale for the first one. Learn One. You must drive somewhere you've not been before but manage to find your way back there again or find something in a store that you couldn't locate and remember where it was after a few visits. You're not too old to know these. Then knowing the notes will come as you go. Don't make it more difficult than it is. In actuality, it's the same pattern everywhere, just started on a different string--which becomes apparent if you do them enough. Like an organized jumble. or blejum. Same thing.