This is not true, at the very least it depends what you mean by beginner, a fit person that can only do 3, is a beginner but they would benefit from negatives
This is completely anecdotal, but I used negatives to learn pullups and the lack of a concentric wasn’t an issue (maybe because I also did rows as a secondary movement). I did 6 weeks of negatives, and one day I suddenly went from 0 pullups to 5 pullups with perfect form. But I also agree with everything you said about the downsides (high physical/mental fatigue, injury risk, etc). Those workouts were EXTREMELY taxing considering the amount of stress negatives put on an untrained body. If I was training a beginner, I’d would definitely recommend 3 sets of banded pullups and 3 sets of rows instead.
Personally I think negatives are great. I used negatives to practice both dips and pull-up's. I was extremely weak in both of those areas earlier in the year, but consistently doing negatives and progressively overloading them by slowing the rate of decent really helped me out. Just like you said...one day out of the blue, at the lowest part of the movement, my body said "hey, you can go ahead and pull up now, you're strong enough", or "push up" in the case of dips. And I did! It felt great to do so. In fact, right now I've been practicing pseudo-planche push-up's and archer push-up's by first doing the negatives and once again, they are shining through and helping me progress a ton!
I'm a beginner, can't even do a single pull up, but I've tried negatives in my last session, and I think this was the first time I could really feel my lats working. I did lat pulldowns afterwards and felt my lats much more too. It felt great, so I'll continue doing it.
I have been doing negative chin-ups for two weeks as a beginner and it was ok, but as soon as I did my first negative pull-up it unlocked the old trauma in my shoulder. Resistant bands are the best thing for beginners like us. Nice video!
I went from 0 pull up to 4 pull ups on 1st set by two exercises. 1st exercise is using a hand gripper to increase my grip strength. 2nd exercise is doing single arm rows with resistance band ( and I chose the resistance band in way that it creats 1/2 of my weight in resistance). Sorry for my bad english
Thank you. I always thought negative pullups were overrated. If they were so good, then why don't weightlifters use them for most of their exercises? I also always thought that the scapular pullup was ridiculous. As you said, maybe for a warmup, but not for actual training. As to the negative, I think it might be reserved for your last rep or two of a set of pullups.
The biggest help is just making a consistent effort. Other than that, there are various ways to progress. For me, I lost 25 pounds, got a pull up bar and every day tried to do pull ups. At first I was pathetic, being able to do maybe 1/3 of a pull up. But I'd do that 4 or 5 times in a set and maybe do 2 or 3 episodes a day. With just that, I got my first pull up in 1 month, and then slowly added reps as time went on. Consistency was my best friend.
thank you for the tips. I was thinking I should build the necessary muscles on the machines but i kept seeing videos about doing pull ups not mentions them. i am currently in the process of building those muscles.
Almost everyone I know who started at 0 used negatives to get their pull-up count up, and if you’re doing scapular contraction and it’s forcing your the angle of your torso to change you’re using you’re not engaging your scapula right.
If you can already do pull-ups, yeah negatives can increase the numbers up, but I think this video was made for people who can't even do 1 pull-up for whom negatives are almost useless.
@@excalibro8365, full disclosure. I was incarcerated for over 3 years. We had no weights and no contraband, aka: steroids. All we had was calisthenics. I’m not just speaking from my own personal experience but from the experience of literally dozens of inmates I saw come and go. I helped several guys that could do a single pull-up. I would usually hold their feet so they could start with assisted pull-ups but we still used negatives. I literally saw guys that had never done calisthenics, in their mid to late thirties and anywhere from 160 up to 260 pounds, go from 0 reps a set to anywhere up to 20. I can remember at least 2 guys 250 pounds doing 20 reps a set. 1000 pushups a day. You want to see impressive, look at how inmates work out.
im fat as fuck, for my standards, normally im around 100kg, now im at 112. Also out of shape as fuck xD. I bought a set of those silicon bands and I cant even do a pullup with the thickest band. I may need to get in shape a bit more and lose some weight to start before trying to do pull ups.
why does everyone do pull-ups like they they are chin ups? Every is differnt and chin over bar miight not be the full range of motion for lots of people
I can do 6 pull ups and want to increase it to 10 reps. In some videos they are recommending doing max pull up and switch to negative pull up. Do you recommend negatives after max pull up set? Should i stick with bands after my last pull up? Best,
@@MichaSchulzif we add weight like 5kg for 2 reps, will this help or adding weights will only work if I can do 10 pull-ups? Thanks for the excellent video.
Hab schon deinen Gürtel 1.0 und die 60cm chain. Macht es in deinen Augen mehr Sinn bei Pulls ups & dips, die Scheiben zwischen den Füßen zu haben oder eher bisschen höher? Und wird es die 110cm chain auch einzeln zu bestellen geben? Und wv Seiten hat dein neues Buch, konnte da keine Infos zu finden? LG und wieder mal Top Video
Hey! Also Gürtel 1 und 2.0 hatten jeweils eine 105-110cm lange Kette. 60cm haben wir bisher nie verkauft. Die ist jetzt beim neuen als add on dabei wenn man möchte um auf 170cm zu verlängern. Die Chain ist in kleinen Beständen noch verfügbar und auf Nachfrage geben wir die raus. Das Buch wird (mal sehen was das finale Design dann sagt) um die 250 Seiten haben!
Finally someone who says that negative pull-ups are useless for beginners
What do you mean "finally"? They do work, countless of people have got to their first pull up with only those
This is not true, at the very least it depends what you mean by beginner, a fit person that can only do 3, is a beginner but they would benefit from negatives
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Excellent video and makes total sense. Subbed.
Negative pullups definitely work. Until 3 weeks ago I was trying to do pullups, I wasn't able to. Started -ve pullups now I'm doing 3 pullups.
Thats totally possible, I just think they are overrated for most cases 🙏
@@MichaSchulzoverrated in a good way if it is effective
This is completely anecdotal, but I used negatives to learn pullups and the lack of a concentric wasn’t an issue (maybe because I also did rows as a secondary movement). I did 6 weeks of negatives, and one day I suddenly went from 0 pullups to 5 pullups with perfect form.
But I also agree with everything you said about the downsides (high physical/mental fatigue, injury risk, etc). Those workouts were EXTREMELY taxing considering the amount of stress negatives put on an untrained body. If I was training a beginner, I’d would definitely recommend 3 sets of banded pullups and 3 sets of rows instead.
Personally I think negatives are great. I used negatives to practice both dips and pull-up's. I was extremely weak in both of those areas earlier in the year, but consistently doing negatives and progressively overloading them by slowing the rate of decent really helped me out. Just like you said...one day out of the blue, at the lowest part of the movement, my body said "hey, you can go ahead and pull up now, you're strong enough", or "push up" in the case of dips. And I did! It felt great to do so. In fact, right now I've been practicing pseudo-planche push-up's and archer push-up's by first doing the negatives and once again, they are shining through and helping me progress a ton!
For me, scap pullups helped me a lot
I'm a beginner, can't even do a single pull up, but I've tried negatives in my last session, and I think this was the first time I could really feel my lats working. I did lat pulldowns afterwards and felt my lats much more too. It felt great, so I'll continue doing it.
Did you get your first pull-up?
@@Cr1Ro7 I did! Thanks for asking. I'm at 3 pull ups now. It's really not a great progression, I should be able to do more by now, but still.
@@Cookiekeks If you don't already, get a home pull up bar and do pull ups 5 days a week. Consistency really helps. Also, lose weight if needed.
@@slydog7131 Im already working out 6x a week, no need for more, but thanks
I have been doing negative chin-ups for two weeks as a beginner and it was ok, but as soon as I did my first negative pull-up it unlocked the old trauma in my shoulder. Resistant bands are the best thing for beginners like us. Nice video!
I went from 0 pull up to 4 pull ups on 1st set by two exercises. 1st exercise is using a hand gripper to increase my grip strength.
2nd exercise is doing single arm rows with resistance band ( and I chose the resistance band in way that it creats 1/2 of my weight in resistance).
Sorry for my bad english
how often did you used to do that
@@armaan3246 both of this exercise I do for 2-3 sets. And in each set, I reach failure.
Currently re-learning how to do a pull up. Using both banded pull ups and negatives because that's how I worked my way to doing them last time.
Thank you. I always thought negative pullups were overrated. If they were so good, then why don't weightlifters use them for most of their exercises? I also always thought that the scapular pullup was ridiculous. As you said, maybe for a warmup, but not for actual training. As to the negative, I think it might be reserved for your last rep or two of a set of pullups.
I was going to argue, but it makes total sense.
The biggest help is just making a consistent effort. Other than that, there are various ways to progress. For me, I lost 25 pounds, got a pull up bar and every day tried to do pull ups. At first I was pathetic, being able to do maybe 1/3 of a pull up. But I'd do that 4 or 5 times in a set and maybe do 2 or 3 episodes a day. With just that, I got my first pull up in 1 month, and then slowly added reps as time went on. Consistency was my best friend.
thank you for the tips. I was thinking I should build the necessary muscles on the machines but i kept seeing videos about doing pull ups not mentions them. i am currently in the process of building those muscles.
There are always many ways delivering the same outcome. So don't stress yourself if you are taking a different path.
I will buy you're book as soon as it's ready. Wouldn't mind a hardcopy in English📖
What if i can only do 2 pull ups..and i couldn't increase them .. like for really while
Brilliant as always
I went from 0 pull ups to 4 pull ups using eccentric
That‘s great! Still overrated in my opinion 👍🏻🙏
Makes sense.thanks
Almost everyone I know who started at 0 used negatives to get their pull-up count up, and if you’re doing scapular contraction and it’s forcing your the angle of your torso to change you’re using you’re not engaging your scapula right.
Can you explain what a right scapular engagement is?
If you can already do pull-ups, yeah negatives can increase the numbers up, but I think this video was made for people who can't even do 1 pull-up for whom negatives are almost useless.
@@excalibro8365, full disclosure. I was incarcerated for over 3 years. We had no weights and no contraband, aka: steroids. All we had was calisthenics. I’m not just speaking from my own personal experience but from the experience of literally dozens of inmates I saw come and go. I helped several guys that could do a single pull-up. I would usually hold their feet so they could start with assisted pull-ups but we still used negatives. I literally saw guys that had never done calisthenics, in their mid to late thirties and anywhere from 160 up to 260 pounds, go from 0 reps a set to anywhere up to 20. I can remember at least 2 guys 250 pounds doing 20 reps a set. 1000 pushups a day. You want to see impressive, look at how inmates work out.
im fat as fuck, for my standards, normally im around 100kg, now im at 112. Also out of shape as fuck xD. I bought a set of those silicon bands and I cant even do a pullup with the thickest band. I may need to get in shape a bit more and lose some weight to start before trying to do pull ups.
why does everyone do pull-ups like they they are chin ups? Every is differnt and chin over bar miight not be the full range of motion for lots of people
That is not how I was shown to do a scapular
I can do 6 pull ups and want to increase it to 10 reps. In some videos they are recommending doing max pull up and switch to negative pull up. Do you recommend negatives after max pull up set? Should i stick with bands after my last pull up?
Best,
I don’t recommend this type of training you mentioned, full ROM with bands works fine
@@MichaSchulzif we add weight like 5kg for 2 reps, will this help or adding weights will only work if I can do 10 pull-ups? Thanks for the excellent video.
astonishing
Hab schon deinen Gürtel 1.0 und die 60cm chain. Macht es in deinen Augen mehr Sinn bei Pulls ups & dips, die Scheiben zwischen den Füßen zu haben oder eher bisschen höher? Und wird es die 110cm chain auch einzeln zu bestellen geben?
Und wv Seiten hat dein neues Buch, konnte da keine Infos zu finden?
LG und wieder mal Top Video
Hey! Also Gürtel 1 und 2.0 hatten jeweils eine 105-110cm lange Kette. 60cm haben wir bisher nie verkauft. Die ist jetzt beim neuen als add on dabei wenn man möchte um auf 170cm zu verlängern. Die Chain ist in kleinen Beständen noch verfügbar und auf Nachfrage geben wir die raus. Das Buch wird (mal sehen was das finale Design dann sagt) um die 250 Seiten haben!
Australian pull ups ?
as said, every rowing version, which an australian pull up is, will contribute well =)
Stark Bruder
mega mit dem buch!
Danke 🙏
Thank you Micha