yeah but as Alex said.. you need a 2-slot card with a certain length, and not many RTX 3080's can actually even fit in the NUC. this is one of the very few that could, and probably the only one that the average consumer has - it's a fair benchmark to make. the fact that larger 3080 cards don't fit inside, forcing one with an inferior design to be used, is a point of criticism against this nuc. i just built an ultra-SFF pc and GPU clearance is one of the top considerations when choosing an effective case - if this was an easy thing to get right, more people would get it right. (i used the meshilicious from SSUPD/LianLi which i highly recommend btw, managed to fit a custom loop with a 280mm rad and 2x140 fans in it)
Yeah it's been a hot minute since that's been done for enthusiast computers but industrial computers and plcs have never moved away from it. I'm really looking forward to this kind of stuff sticking around. Realistically I understand that probably won't happen but I can dream dammit.
@@kennysboat4432 not really. You have always been able to buy 3rd party enclosure/backplane bundles for the nuc. I know Razer had one last generation and I think Cooler Master also. Not entirely proprietary. The daughterboard with the CPU is about the only proprietary part there...
NUC: Next Unit of Computing "NUC's are the future of computers" So in the future, we will all own a CUC, or a "Current Unit of Computing" Get ready to get CUC'd boys.
Well more power doesn't necessarily mean more power consumption, the 3090 uses less power than older cards with an immense amount more performance. Efficiency is key to balancing that out. Otherwise the 3090 would use like 1000w alone using that logic.
@@placeholder2924 I feel like most people won't be buying a gpu to put in a nuc without checking the psu can handle said gpu first, while a video is a good idea to explain the technicality of it or to help people who don't know a lot, but most people buying a nuc like that are gonna be rich people who want something cool. Regular pc people can see how bad of a value they are compared to something you could build in a similar sized case for waaayy cheaper.
@@ryzenpeak It might average at lower power draw but the split second peak power draw is extremely high. My 3090 trips OCP on an SF750 in the Hitman 3 Dartmoor benchmark at 4k literally the instant I run it. Doesn't matter if I undervolt or lower the power limit(which is an average over time and doesn't prevent transient spikes). I wouldn't be surprised if it is trying to draw 1000 watts for a millisecond at a time.
@@suntzu1409 Yeah probably. Maybe becaus it offers more performance? I mean Alder Lake supports both generation ( DDR4/5 ) so it's up to mobo manufacters to decide which one they will support in which model.
I feel like this has left the territory that NUCs were carving for themselves - tiny form factor that got you solid performance as a daily driver with low power consumption. Not trying to be the next step in gaming devices. Competing at this form factor in the gaming market, it's just not worth it against being able to use off-the-shelf compatible parts with an open upgrade path for a fraction of the cost.
"RTX 3060s, they're just kind of... Nvida's one miss with the RXT 3000 series...." *Stares lovingly at my 3060 I was unbelievably lucky to find at MSRP*
@@BruhMeister993 I got a new 3080 at 45% below msrp, and it's pretty easy if you have enough money to fork out in the short term and patience to recoup it in the longer term. Buy a prebuilt, disassemble it, keep the gpu, sell the rest. If you are patient and work your prices well, you can make back most of the money spent on the prebuilt, with the total leftover being a below msrp graphics card
I like the idea of the "compute element" Hopefully one day we have motherboards that are just PCI E slots and you can just socket all your components into.
2:07 No one is going to mention that the 3070 is a 2000$ upgrade on intel's own website? Not even intel sells GPUs at msrp? Thats pathetic. Never forget who (retailers or otherwise) sold GPUs at insane prices these hard times instead of siding with the consumer and blacklist them on all ur future purchases.
@@Dr.Spatula Anyone with reasonable prices on GPUs (when and if in stock) is good in my book. It would be ok to be a little over msrp for intel since its a prebuilt, but come on... 2000$ is 4 times the msrp! thats literally more than ebay scalp prices.
I want to see a video where you guys CUSTOM build a case that fits the same spec components in a smaller chassis! The workshop next door is finally up and running at 100% capacity, make it happen! A custom LTT designed case!
Looking at all these small form factor PCs and my own mATX rig I've really come to appreciate how incredible my Xbox Series X is 😭 it's a lifesaver during covid and this PC parts supply shortage
As far as XX60 cards go, it's not much faster than old gen. Faster, but by no means a giant leap. Whereas the 3070 takes down even the 2080ti in some scenarios, and the 3080 is another 20% or so faster than that, all while staying significantly cheaper than the 2080ti on its own launch. Meanwhile the 3060 is $329-400 or more depending on partner model, which would blow the value proposition completely apart when comparing to 1060 and 1600 cards especially, but also 2060 and 2060 Super on the used market. Except that the used market is what it is right now. Basically stock makes the value decision for you :/
its shit, GA106 is designed to be inferior to TU106. turings die for this tier had 64 rops and a 256 bit bus. GA106 only has 48 and 192, same as a 1060 from YEARS ago. literally 2060s can beat 3060 in some titles lol
@DOOM SLAYER yep 3060ti and 3080 are the only skus nvidia should produce, kill ga106 and ga107, let them die, get ga104 yielding perfectly and SELL A GOOD FUCKING GPU lol. 3GPC is what killed GA106
I’d guess no iGPU. Alternatively just a way to denote this is just the 11900k for _laptops_ and not the desktop version. He said this was 10nm and I don’t think these are 10nm on desktop, but I haven’t been paying much attention to intels lineup recently.
@@levygaming3133 Well the H of HK was high performance. The K was overclocked. So, B is confusing. Also no iGPU? WEIRD, again like on their desktop line "F" was used to denote No GPU.
The B CPU is actually very different, it's a shame LTT didn't explain it. The 11900K is a 14nm Rocketlake part, and the 11900KB is a 10nm Tigerlake part. It's more efficient and has a few architectural differences.
Corsair sf750 can handle my 5950x and 3080 ti and custom loop with d5 pump and 9 fans and but ton of rgb just fine. Both are overclocked as far as they'll go. The 3080 ti pulls 400w and the 5950x pulls 125w. Sf750 can handle power spikes up to 1000w
Would have been nice if they remembered to point out that there are 850w sfx power supplies. So you could upgrade and have the extra wattage available.
NUC might be just my favourite small form factor PC that actually doesn't suck! They are going crazy with the names! I bet the next name would be HeadlessBeastTurbo lol
The "compute element" reminds me of the Intel VCA2 accelerators that were 3x quad core Xeons with iGPUs on a PCIe x16 card you could slot into existing systems.
I also have a soft spot for NUCs. I worked in the IT department for a chain of LAN centers for a decade and I really like NUCs, but it was always a hard sell to convince my colleagues to go with them. You pay more and get less performance in exchange for a small form factor. If you have the space for a standard PC tower, then it's really hard to justify the expense. I have a NUC at home as a Linux server box. It's screwed to the back of my monitor so it's completely tucked away from sight.
a full system can cost a pretty penny, unless you are making efforts to buy the cheapest parts that make sense for your application, it makes complete sense that something like that costs so much, because of just how much isnt exactly easy to produce or assemble especially once you factor in special costs, like tax and shipping its easy to ship a flat-packed computer case that they literally just punch out of sheets of steel and measure how much of what hardware needs to go into the box, but if its already assmbled, that takes time and sometimes effort, both of which can have a realistic cost to them they also have to make sure that the hardware actually WORKS together before allowing you to buy it directly from them, which itself has time and production costs, especially if they need to move something around on the PCB because of a misbehaving header or IC, or one that simply doesnt fit in the old component's spot
3:44 there's prebuilt pcs like the maingear turbo that are just a little bigger than the beast canyon but have an actual pc cpu. Plus maingear pcs have the apex hardline cooling and let you pick the components you want
Well, I am happy with it - I got the i9 model for 590EUR, SSD for 40 and 16GB Ram for 35. Added an Arc 770, so I am at a little more than 1000EUR. Not to bad, even if it is an 11th gen i9 ;) (my desktop was an i5 4670k with an R9 390 8GB till now, it was time for an upgrade - for this price it is pretty ok... )
I think I'll stick with my Core P5 case. It's an older case but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Plus a standard box fan sits perfectly in place of the glass panel so if you put it in it's own room like what Linus did it his old house cooling all of the components is a non issue. I have a $30 air compressor that I can just blast off any dust that ends up sitting on anything. So dust is also a non issue. If I really do have a problem with it the case has a dust filter on the underside which draws air up (I have the case laying on a wood panel on the floor horizontally (desktop)) and through the radiator. I have yet to see the cpu temp go above 40c while under load '5800x" like this. These things really aren't big and was a breeze to setup vs trying to pack everything into a tiny case like these which end up compromising on something to get there.
In short answer, you can't I will assume that Intel's engineer has tought about it so it would be impossible to put the compute element to PCIe slot. From the short clip in this video, the length is different, so it is safe to assume, it is impossible to put it in PCIe slot without breaking something. And even if you break something, is it even using PCIe protocol?
@@Dominus_Potatus historically, there have been ways to plug in compute units into regular pcie slots but it would only draw power, it would just be a smaller pc inside another pc.
Or if you're lucky, you manage to find a Nuc 12 Dragon Canyon full spec on marketplace for half the cost that was only tested and reset. My Nuc was about 2 weeks old when I got it.
@@Roug3e_Bunny That's not why this thing is expensive though, it's mostly because it's a niche product so they don't expect to sell much. Probably only to enthusiasts that are willing to pay high prices. For the same specs you can get a similar full tower for around 2100-2200$ today.
@@Roug3e_Bunny My PC costs around $2000 with a 3070ti, 9900k, plenty of SSD storage, rm850x, and top of the line CLC, so yeah $3500 is one hell of a premium.
What the PC really needs to evolve is to go cableless. Develop asset of power standards for the power supply and motherboard that mean you can always skip almost all cables,with every add-on PCI card getting its total power requirement directly from the motherboard, which would be equipped with that system, and then extend that concept to the power supply itself. Build the entire computer with a power backplane into which the motherboard plugs into, and so does the power supply. Same goes for all drives. Only certain peripherals would still require cables. The fewer cables you have to manage, the better your cable management.
3:35 oh these famous expression: "I'm totally not signed several agreement with mega corporation with mile long list of penalties, flűggåənk∂€čhiœβøl∫ên included, and now be ready to my absolutely honest and unbiased opinion."
**It's $1,350 for the i9 and $1,150 USD for the i7. I don't know where he pulled those numbers. Maybe from Simply NUC, but that's a specialty shop that works directly with Intel to customize for their customers.
Their "Computer Element" harkins back to what used to be called Single Board Computers before Raspberry Pi & their clones requisitioned the term. This style of SBC would have been used in a passive backplane chassis with as many as 20 expansion slots...or room for 20 of these SBCs in a single traditional looking tower chassis.
Ideal application, is a portable MultiCamera Live Streaming system, but toss the GTX for a mid level Quadro, as the NVEnc performance is more important then game rendering.
In the UK they aren't that expensive. Buying one with a GPU actually works out cheaper than buying most prebuilds. The base one with i7, 16GB of RAM and a 3060ti is like £1500.... That aint bad! Considering the cheapest 3060tis in stock are way north of £500! I mean i'd still build my own cause 3060ti gpus are actually not so hard to get, though stock is limited still at places like OCUK and CCL. it's just the 3080 and 3090s that when in stock are marked up even by bricks and mortar stores like Scan (that have always been absolute scumbags to deal with compared to Box, OCUK and others.
Mug punters............. RTX 3060 / 3070 is just never worth anything like that amount. People are literally buying the part number "woooo I got a 3060TKO with triple double fans and a built in torch". BUT HOW IS IT BETTER THAN MY £200 RADEON? It has bigger numbers on the box LOL... Real life scenario : I have a great computer really powerful but my monitor is 56in 60hz panel. So past this point there ARE no real graphical gains to be had. That means ANY other card above this one, would be a huuuuuge waste. Unless I go spend £1200 on a new 4K monitor and actually watch stuff in 4K, maybe produce 4K vids - then it's a huge waste of money aka for gaming Fortnite etc. So when I read eye watering prices for average to trash cards, my soul cries for those going without during this dark age of GPU thinning.
@@DailyCorvid there's definitely a diminishing returns but for 1080 any rtx 3000 card is overkill But that doesn't mean you never need to upgrade Yeah GPUs are not worth even 20 bucks more than MSRP imo but that's the world we live in today
@@theigpugamer I am far too shrewd with my money to overspend this wildly on a product that literally adds nothing at all to my setup. But like I said, if I was rocking a 85in 4K superscreen i'd definitely be getting either the next 40x series RTX, or preferrably the Radeon version which comes next for RDNA3. That's my ultimate plan, this TV has two years left then I am wading in on the 4K! Upgrade pathways are where I exist friend :) Shrewd remember, nothing goes to waste, everything is pumped up maximally. It costs very little when you don't give your wallet to your ego for spending duties :D Though it in concept seems like FUN to go and mindlessly spend a fortune in a day on a fancy telly and graphics card lol. But I would 100% get purchase regret and feel like a dick for doing it!
I found the DAN A4 to be fairly easy to build in. And while my slightly overclocked i7-8700K runs really hot under a synthetic load (~99C) it actually doesn't really throttle
i mean considering its the same cost as a top of the line laptop it seems kinda dope since you can throw in a full size gpu, and tiger lake is technically better than rocket lake
@Alex Please do a Techquickie to explain why laptop-CPUs are so much more expensive than desktop-CPUs, even though they're almost always significantly slower. And why you cannot upgrade them.
I just upgraded my Ideapad from 8 G Ram and a spinny hard-drive to 16G Ram and a WD Blue SSD. Can't upgrade the CPU because it is soldered to the main board. But, it will do.
So, 80 degrees on idle here in Brazil. These small form factor computers that sacrifice good cooling just for looks doesn't even make sense. With the price you pay for that you can build your own with an mini ITX board and good cooling for your CPU and GPU, it will be just a little bit bigger, but the temps are going to be a lot nicer
I am so jealous now... I was gifted the Manta set by iFixit from my family for my birthday, but it doesn't have the Flexible Extension part that the Mako set has, which was the iFixit set that I had asked for. Now I am stuck with the conundrum of either paying $7 for the part to then pay $40 for shipping it from my Brother in the US to Norway, or buy the Mako set for $38 just to get that $7 part I want, because iFixit US is the only store that sells the part, but they do not ship to Norway...
Wouldn't the problem with a Founder's Ed card be that some of the GPU exhaust gets recycled into the computer element instead of getting sucked out the top? Compared to like the basic 2-slot, 3-fan Gigabytes.
@@potapovus They have basically taken a motherboard very similar to those used in laptops, put a large cooler on it, and stuffed it into a case so you can hook a full sized GPU to it. Then charged a premium for it. Its a frakenstien laptop.
@@rahulkopparthi9039 I went from a 1660 to a 3060, I was lucky enough to get it close to MSRP and I love the card. It smashes 1080p and in the vast majority of the games I play, happily lets me game at 1440p ultrawide.
Intel's naming scheme of picking a random word from the dictionary and then adding "canyon" to the end is getting really old real quick... Although it's fitting, since a canyon is basically a huge ditch and that's where intel belongs.
@@joempoem478 dude, it's a bit embarrassing, but can I ask you the meaning of "fat burn", I'm not a native speaker, so I don't understand the slang really, despite that the concept of a pcie connectable pc is nice and interesting.
2:05 $2000 extra for an off the shelf RTX 3070, what a deal!!!!
Intel doing scalper pricing.
I almost shit my pants, I went to the site and just with the 3070 would be 3.5k.
It's almost comforting that Intel has lost none of it's shame.
It's something you can rely on.
Infuriating
@@vinyfiny2019 yeah, but this comes with the Intel Gurantee and Warranty.... -_-
They flat out said NOT to use founders blow through cards with the nuc.
Yep, push this to the top. Don't use a FE card in the new nuc because of the fan design.
Oopsie doopsie.
@@Boodoo4You lol. It was probs Alex who put it together. We all know he doesn't read manuals.
When you build your own, you can do whatever you want. I don't think they are going to keep the FE in this. They are just making a point.
yeah but as Alex said.. you need a 2-slot card with a certain length, and not many RTX 3080's can actually even fit in the NUC. this is one of the very few that could, and probably the only one that the average consumer has - it's a fair benchmark to make. the fact that larger 3080 cards don't fit inside, forcing one with an inferior design to be used, is a point of criticism against this nuc. i just built an ultra-SFF pc and GPU clearance is one of the top considerations when choosing an effective case - if this was an easy thing to get right, more people would get it right. (i used the meshilicious from SSUPD/LianLi which i highly recommend btw, managed to fit a custom loop with a 280mm rad and 2x140 fans in it)
Everyone: "Wait, is this even a NUC?"
Intel: "NUC just means 'Next Unit of Computing' and we decide what the next best thing is!"
intel: Got a NUCing problem?
@@mycosys bruh
@@mycosys cringe
@JJ Olatunji 🅥 loser ripoff kanye east
"In 2021, what makes YOU able to literally see it?".
*"GETTING NUC."*
ruclips.net/video/iO7BxnZ4EZ0/видео.html at 0:48.
nice to see someone trying to re-introduce backplane/daughterboard setups
In today's society backplaning daughters is kinda frowned upon hence the lack
Shame they still don't have those changeable gpu boards for laptops. Would be perfect for this set up
Its proprietary so I don't personally agree with it.
Yeah it's been a hot minute since that's been done for enthusiast computers but industrial computers and plcs have never moved away from it. I'm really looking forward to this kind of stuff sticking around. Realistically I understand that probably won't happen but I can dream dammit.
@@kennysboat4432 not really. You have always been able to buy 3rd party enclosure/backplane bundles for the nuc. I know Razer had one last generation and I think Cooler Master also. Not entirely proprietary. The daughterboard with the CPU is about the only proprietary part there...
NUC: Next Unit of Computing
"NUC's are the future of computers"
So in the future, we will all own a CUC, or a "Current Unit of Computing"
Get ready to get CUC'd boys.
hehe CUC
CUC gang rise up
Yeah exactly!
Actually, all of us have been already owning CUCs all the time.
cuc
oh.my.god
Intel: Don't put a 30 series founders edition card in it because of airflow reasons.
RUclipsrs: WE'RE PUTTING A 30 SERIES FOUNDERS EDITION CARD IN IT.
With those psu concerns, I think it warrants a video on explaining it.
Especially as GPU's get more powerful and thus, power hungry.
Well more power doesn't necessarily mean more power consumption, the 3090 uses less power than older cards with an immense amount more performance. Efficiency is key to balancing that out. Otherwise the 3090 would use like 1000w alone using that logic.
@@ryzenpeak I'm aware of that, but the point was that the demands of GPU's would warrant this fact being explained.
@@placeholder2924 I feel like most people won't be buying a gpu to put in a nuc without checking the psu can handle said gpu first, while a video is a good idea to explain the technicality of it or to help people who don't know a lot, but most people buying a nuc like that are gonna be rich people who want something cool. Regular pc people can see how bad of a value they are compared to something you could build in a similar sized case for waaayy cheaper.
@@placeholder2924 They're charging 2000 dollars to put a 3070 in it
@@ryzenpeak It might average at lower power draw but the split second peak power draw is extremely high. My 3090 trips OCP on an SF750 in the Hitman 3 Dartmoor benchmark at 4k literally the instant I run it. Doesn't matter if I undervolt or lower the power limit(which is an average over time and doesn't prevent transient spikes). I wouldn't be surprised if it is trying to draw 1000 watts for a millisecond at a time.
"nuc" is also used when talking about beehives. a nuc hive is a small, one box hive made for starting a bee colony
Good tid bit!
Seems to possibly be the actual basis of the name.
@@iamatlantis1 it might be
@@Boodoo4You honestly. What gives them the right to commit ip theft? Damn bees.
Really looking forward to the Alder Lake version of this
@JJ Olatunji 🅥 shut up bot
There is a leak for an upcoming NUC with AL. Sadly it comes with DDR4.
its gunna have Xe dgpus in it, 16gb so likely the highest 256 bit bus variant (512 -448 eus?)
@@el5eit467 its coming about Q1-Q3 2022.
I dont see why intel will keep the highest and higher mid variants on DDR5
@@suntzu1409 Yeah probably.
Maybe becaus it offers more performance? I mean Alder Lake supports both generation ( DDR4/5 ) so it's up to mobo manufacters to decide which one they will support in which model.
I feel like this has left the territory that NUCs were carving for themselves - tiny form factor that got you solid performance as a daily driver with low power consumption. Not trying to be the next step in gaming devices. Competing at this form factor in the gaming market, it's just not worth it against being able to use off-the-shelf compatible parts with an open upgrade path for a fraction of the cost.
The 2k extra charge for the RTX 3070 tho
Everyone wants a piece of the scalper action lol
"RTX 3060s, they're just kind of... Nvida's one miss with the RXT 3000 series...."
*Stares lovingly at my 3060 I was unbelievably lucky to find at MSRP*
Yeah idk what he's talking about. My 3060 is great
Wtf how??? I’ve been looking for a 3060 close to msrp for weeks 😔
@@BruhMeister993 I got a new 3080 at 45% below msrp, and it's pretty easy if you have enough money to fork out in the short term and patience to recoup it in the longer term. Buy a prebuilt, disassemble it, keep the gpu, sell the rest. If you are patient and work your prices well, you can make back most of the money spent on the prebuilt, with the total leftover being a below msrp graphics card
I like the idea of the "compute element" Hopefully one day we have motherboards that are just PCI E slots and you can just socket all your components into.
+$2000 for a 3070??
First Newegg and now Intel?
The list of a-hole scalpers is getting longer and longer.
That price was from Simply NYC, not Intel
2:07 No one is going to mention that the 3070 is a 2000$ upgrade on intel's own website? Not even intel sells GPUs at msrp? Thats pathetic.
Never forget who (retailers or otherwise) sold GPUs at insane prices these hard times instead of siding with the consumer and blacklist them on all ur future purchases.
So Best Buy is good?
@@Dr.Spatula Anyone with reasonable prices on GPUs (when and if in stock) is good in my book. It would be ok to be a little over msrp for intel since its a prebuilt, but come on... 2000$ is 4 times the msrp! thats literally more than ebay scalp prices.
Simply nuc is not intel?
4:46 Linus.....his training is complete!
I heard Intel specifically recommended against using fe cards cause of the airflow design of their cards.
The Canadian accent is strong with this one. I mean ridiculously so.
I didn't notice any, interesting
Sounds like a regular bland Vancouver accent to me. You wanna hear a "canadian accent" you gotta look east.
Correction, I hear it here and there. Especially when he says hardware
"if you're rich, get it"
Words to live by.
I want to see a video where you guys CUSTOM build a case that fits the same spec components in a smaller chassis!
The workshop next door is finally up and running at 100% capacity, make it happen! A custom LTT designed case!
Like Luke or Riley said, make each panel representative of each of Linus's channels.
Daxton Anderson
Why not upload it yourself here?
mount a 360 radiator on a mini atx small barebone?
you have skills?
When the rich can't even afford a 3070.
We're getting cards in Australia just north of $1000 AUD... they were $1900 AUD 2 months ago
@@thefunk156 miner lol
@@thefunk156 I can’t find any 3080 below 1600 AUD dollars now, I bought one for 1400 from PLE computers a few months ago.
@Waldel Martell is it possible to learn this power?"
@@suntzu1409 preorder
4:53 You *NEED* to call them out for the "warranty VOID" sticker. As it's not legally enforceable in the USA or CAD.
Alex is giving Linus a run for his money when it comes to smooth sponsor segues. :)
Thank you editor for using the dark LTT intro!!
Looking at all these small form factor PCs and my own mATX rig I've really come to appreciate how incredible my Xbox Series X is 😭 it's a lifesaver during covid and this PC parts supply shortage
Yep, the value is incredible from a performance per dollar perspective.
wait at 5:28 why is the 3060 the one miss from the 3000 series? i thought the 3060 was pretty good based on the price to performance ratio.
Same. Did not understand why he said that.
As far as XX60 cards go, it's not much faster than old gen. Faster, but by no means a giant leap. Whereas the 3070 takes down even the 2080ti in some scenarios, and the 3080 is another 20% or so faster than that, all while staying significantly cheaper than the 2080ti on its own launch. Meanwhile the 3060 is $329-400 or more depending on partner model, which would blow the value proposition completely apart when comparing to 1060 and 1600 cards especially, but also 2060 and 2060 Super on the used market. Except that the used market is what it is right now. Basically stock makes the value decision for you :/
its shit, GA106 is designed to be inferior to TU106. turings die for this tier had 64 rops and a 256 bit bus. GA106 only has 48 and 192, same as a 1060 from YEARS ago. literally 2060s can beat 3060 in some titles lol
@DOOM SLAYER yep 3060ti and 3080 are the only skus nvidia should produce, kill ga106 and ga107, let them die, get ga104 yielding perfectly and SELL A GOOD FUCKING GPU lol. 3GPC is what killed GA106
The hole point of the NUC was to have a small form factor. It was great as media player. Damn now I need to use old nucs.
Really looking foward to the Alder Lake version of this( first time copied just for crosschecking comment work like this or not)
KB is a new lettering scheme, interesting. Usually is HK. Does the "B" denote boost, or no integrated graphics like the "F".
I’d guess no iGPU. Alternatively just a way to denote this is just the 11900k for _laptops_ and not the desktop version.
He said this was 10nm and I don’t think these are 10nm on desktop, but I haven’t been paying much attention to intels lineup recently.
@@levygaming3133 Well the H of HK was high performance. The K was overclocked. So, B is confusing. Also no iGPU? WEIRD, again like on their desktop line "F" was used to denote No GPU.
The B CPU is actually very different, it's a shame LTT didn't explain it. The 11900K is a 14nm Rocketlake part, and the 11900KB is a 10nm Tigerlake part. It's more efficient and has a few architectural differences.
B = BGA, it's soldered not socketed.
"How long can it sustain it?
Its hot but like in a good way.
I think its honestly working."
Thats what she said
I'd say this is probably the point a NUC is no longer a NUC XD
@@DemeDemetre I don’t care cuz i’m pretty sure NUC has to be small at least it used to be :))
@@DemeDemetre now it's a CUC
More like a NUCE 😂🤣
technically the NUC is the compute board... so it's small actually
Corsair sf750 can handle my 5950x and 3080 ti and custom loop with d5 pump and 9 fans and but ton of rgb just fine. Both are overclocked as far as they'll go. The 3080 ti pulls 400w and the 5950x pulls 125w. Sf750 can handle power spikes up to 1000w
“What you’re not gonna build yourself tho is a pair of shoes”
*just you fucken watch😠*
I thought he said parachute.
Would have been nice if they remembered to point out that there are 850w sfx power supplies. So you could upgrade and have the extra wattage available.
the 3070 upgrade is how much?! 1.999$?! wow
My friends, @ 2:53 he says the wrong CPU for the 9980HK
Every time I'm reminded that Madison works at LTT my heart gets warmer.
You guys should check out the Zotac Zbox Magnus One
NUC might be just my favourite small form factor PC that actually doesn't suck! They are going crazy with the names! I bet the next name would be HeadlessBeastTurbo lol
Eater of Worlds
Check out formD t1 it smokes this trash
@JJ Olatunji 🅥 omg!!! Wow its you!!!! Nvm your a fake
The "compute element" reminds me of the Intel VCA2 accelerators that were 3x quad core Xeons with iGPUs on a PCIe x16 card you could slot into existing systems.
I also have a soft spot for NUCs. I worked in the IT department for a chain of LAN centers for a decade and I really like NUCs, but it was always a hard sell to convince my colleagues to go with them. You pay more and get less performance in exchange for a small form factor. If you have the space for a standard PC tower, then it's really hard to justify the expense.
I have a NUC at home as a Linux server box. It's screwed to the back of my monitor so it's completely tucked away from sight.
8:25 yup. if you could get those nice open air aluminum chassis, it will be a smaller and less heat buildup.
2:29 that's a nice Cinebench single thread score
2:20 Madisoooooooon
@2:09 - Simply NUC want an extra $2,000 to include an EVGA 3070? That's some blatant gouging, even with current prices and availability of GPUs!
a full system can cost a pretty penny, unless you are making efforts to buy the cheapest parts that make sense for your application, it makes complete sense that something like that costs so much, because of just how much isnt exactly easy to produce or assemble
especially once you factor in special costs, like tax and shipping
its easy to ship a flat-packed computer case that they literally just punch out of sheets of steel and measure how much of what hardware needs to go into the box, but if its already assmbled, that takes time and sometimes effort, both of which can have a realistic cost to them
they also have to make sure that the hardware actually WORKS together before allowing you to buy it directly from them, which itself has time and production costs, especially if they need to move something around on the PCB because of a misbehaving header or IC, or one that simply doesnt fit in the old component's spot
2:07 Ahh yes. Lets add a 3070 for 1.999.00$.
Thank god its not 1.999,99$. That would just be crazy.
3:44 there's prebuilt pcs like the maingear turbo that are just a little bigger than the beast canyon but have an actual pc cpu. Plus maingear pcs have the apex hardline cooling and let you pick the components you want
💔My heart when he’s like the 3060 is the one 30 series miss
Well, I am happy with it - I got the i9 model for 590EUR, SSD for 40 and 16GB Ram for 35. Added an Arc 770, so I am at a little more than 1000EUR. Not to bad, even if it is an 11th gen i9 ;) (my desktop was an i5 4670k with an R9 390 8GB till now, it was time for an upgrade - for this price it is pretty ok... )
8:00 The NUC costs as much as a GPU...
Default options: basically.
Add the 3080: fuck this thing, when GPU prices going back to normal? 😟
@@DxBlack just got a 3060ti for like 50 above msrp? Soooo its getting better?
Less actually lol
I think I'll stick with my Core P5 case. It's an older case but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Plus a standard box fan sits perfectly in place of the glass panel so if you put it in it's own room like what Linus did it his old house cooling all of the components is a non issue. I have a $30 air compressor that I can just blast off any dust that ends up sitting on anything. So dust is also a non issue. If I really do have a problem with it the case has a dust filter on the underside which draws air up (I have the case laying on a wood panel on the floor horizontally (desktop)) and through the radiator. I have yet to see the cpu temp go above 40c while under load '5800x" like this.
These things really aren't big and was a breeze to setup vs trying to pack everything into a tiny case like these which end up compromising on something to get there.
What would happen if you were to connect the "compute board" to a normal PCI slot on a PC??
In short answer, you can't
I will assume that Intel's engineer has tought about it so it would be impossible to put the compute element to PCIe slot.
From the short clip in this video, the length is different, so it is safe to assume, it is impossible to put it in PCIe slot without breaking something.
And even if you break something, is it even using PCIe protocol?
You create a black hole
@@Dominus_Potatus i suspected that, but the connector itself doesn't look shorter. I looks shorter bc it doesn't have the closing mechanism
I could swear either LTT or JayzTwoCents has done a video on this concept.
@@Dominus_Potatus historically, there have been ways to plug in compute units into regular pcie slots but it would only draw power, it would just be a smaller pc inside another pc.
Or if you're lucky, you manage to find a Nuc 12 Dragon Canyon full spec on marketplace for half the cost that was only tested and reset. My Nuc was about 2 weeks old when I got it.
Did I read that store page correctly? $1999 for an RTX 3070!?
I was looking for this type of comment lol.
I'm pretty sure he was squeezing a turtle head the entire video. He looked so anxious the whole video!
This thing is ridiculously expensive what the hell. For the “beast” it’s 3500 dollars. Horrible. That’s with a 3070 and 8gb of ram what the hell.
Did you expect it to b cheap? 30 series cards are expensive due to shortages,scalpers and miners so
@@Roug3e_Bunny That's not why this thing is expensive though, it's mostly because it's a niche product so they don't expect to sell much. Probably only to enthusiasts that are willing to pay high prices. For the same specs you can get a similar full tower for around 2100-2200$ today.
@@Roug3e_Bunny A 3070 is under 900€.
You could build a not much larger PC with better performance for probably below 2000$.
@@EragoEntertainment my pc costs around 2000 and doesn't have a 30 series
@@Roug3e_Bunny My PC costs around $2000 with a 3070ti, 9900k, plenty of SSD storage, rm850x, and top of the line CLC, so yeah $3500 is one hell of a premium.
Intel NUC: Small form factor with impressive hardware.
Apple NUC: No ports! Buy another computer when the battery runs out!
Woah that 2000 dollar 3070 upgrade
Linus start donating those dam gpus
My brains inner OCD is salivating to this case…
But my wallet is crying…
So much room for activity’s!!!
Isn't that a reference to Diesel Creek ?
The 3070 upgrade costs an additional $1,999? LMAO wtf
What the PC really needs to evolve is to go cableless. Develop asset of power standards for the power supply and motherboard that mean you can always skip almost all cables,with every add-on PCI card getting its total power requirement directly from the motherboard, which would be equipped with that system, and then extend that concept to the power supply itself. Build the entire computer with a power backplane into which the motherboard plugs into, and so does the power supply. Same goes for all drives. Only certain peripherals would still require cables. The fewer cables you have to manage, the better your cable management.
3:35 oh these famous expression: "I'm totally not signed several agreement with mega corporation with mile long list of penalties, flűggåənk∂€čhiœβøl∫ên included, and now be ready to my absolutely honest and unbiased opinion."
What is the tool you were using to view temps and fan speeds?
Hardware info
I love the dark themed intro!!
**It's $1,350 for the i9 and $1,150 USD for the i7. I don't know where he pulled those numbers. Maybe from Simply NUC, but that's a specialty shop that works directly with Intel to customize for their customers.
Great, now I can heat my house this winter
by not buying this beast
Their "Computer Element" harkins back to what used to be called Single Board Computers before Raspberry Pi & their clones requisitioned the term. This style of SBC would have been used in a passive backplane chassis with as many as 20 expansion slots...or room for 20 of these SBCs in a single traditional looking tower chassis.
nice
nice
Ideal application, is a portable MultiCamera Live Streaming system, but toss the GTX for a mid level Quadro, as the NVEnc performance is more important then game rendering.
Nuc gonna lie this is quite impressive
Get out
Stares at prompter in terror the entire video until sponsor read.
If you dont need the 3060 ti my empty gpu slot needs it c:
Hey Tech Tips Team if you see please consider maybe doing a beginners guide for PCs.
Alex looks like hes being held hostage
In the UK they aren't that expensive. Buying one with a GPU actually works out cheaper than buying most prebuilds.
The base one with i7, 16GB of RAM and a 3060ti is like £1500.... That aint bad! Considering the cheapest 3060tis in stock are way north of £500!
I mean i'd still build my own cause 3060ti gpus are actually not so hard to get, though stock is limited still at places like OCUK and CCL. it's just the 3080 and 3090s that when in stock are marked up even by bricks and mortar stores like Scan (that have always been absolute scumbags to deal with compared to Box, OCUK and others.
The rtx 3060 costs 800 and the evga 3070 was 1799 on the website wtf
Exactly
Mug punters............. RTX 3060 / 3070 is just never worth anything like that amount. People are literally buying the part number "woooo I got a 3060TKO with triple double fans and a built in torch". BUT HOW IS IT BETTER THAN MY £200 RADEON? It has bigger numbers on the box LOL...
Real life scenario : I have a great computer really powerful but my monitor is 56in 60hz panel. So past this point there ARE no real graphical gains to be had. That means ANY other card above this one, would be a huuuuuge waste. Unless I go spend £1200 on a new 4K monitor and actually watch stuff in 4K, maybe produce 4K vids - then it's a huge waste of money aka for gaming Fortnite etc.
So when I read eye watering prices for average to trash cards, my soul cries for those going without during this dark age of GPU thinning.
@@DailyCorvid there's definitely a diminishing returns but for 1080 any rtx 3000 card is overkill
But that doesn't mean you never need to upgrade
Yeah GPUs are not worth even 20 bucks more than MSRP imo but that's the world we live in today
@@theigpugamer I am far too shrewd with my money to overspend this wildly on a product that literally adds nothing at all to my setup.
But like I said, if I was rocking a 85in 4K superscreen i'd definitely be getting either the next 40x series RTX, or preferrably the Radeon version which comes next for RDNA3. That's my ultimate plan, this TV has two years left then I am wading in on the 4K!
Upgrade pathways are where I exist friend :) Shrewd remember, nothing goes to waste, everything is pumped up maximally. It costs very little when you don't give your wallet to your ego for spending duties :D
Though it in concept seems like FUN to go and mindlessly spend a fortune in a day on a fancy telly and graphics card lol.
But I would 100% get purchase regret and feel like a dick for doing it!
I found the DAN A4 to be fairly easy to build in. And while my slightly overclocked i7-8700K runs really hot under a synthetic load (~99C) it actually doesn't really throttle
For that price, you can do a mini itx build with a full fat desktop AMD CPU. Common
i mean considering its the same cost as a top of the line laptop it seems kinda dope since you can throw in a full size gpu, and tiger lake is technically better than rocket lake
woah, it’s so powerful it might just break my bank account as well as the benchmarks
@Alex
Please do a Techquickie to explain why laptop-CPUs are so much more expensive than desktop-CPUs, even though they're almost always significantly slower. And why you cannot upgrade them.
I just upgraded my Ideapad from 8 G Ram and a spinny hard-drive to 16G Ram and a WD Blue SSD. Can't upgrade the CPU because it is soldered to the main board. But, it will do.
I would go to optimum tech and find a build thats better than the NUC.
It can equal the performance of a 5600x. Crazy powerful.
So, 80 degrees on idle here in Brazil. These small form factor computers that sacrifice good cooling just for looks doesn't even make sense.
With the price you pay for that you can build your own with an mini ITX board and good cooling for your CPU and GPU, it will be just a little bit bigger, but the temps are going to be a lot nicer
"It's only a 3080"
ONLY A 3080? The amount of people triggered by that statement is immeasureable
I am so jealous now...
I was gifted the Manta set by iFixit from my family for my birthday, but it doesn't have the Flexible Extension part that the Mako set has, which was the iFixit set that I had asked for.
Now I am stuck with the conundrum of either paying $7 for the part to then pay $40 for shipping it from my Brother in the US to Norway, or buy the Mako set for $38 just to get that $7 part I want, because iFixit US is the only store that sells the part, but they do not ship to Norway...
It is not a NUC, it is a regular small PC.
You realize NUC means Next Unit of Computing right?
Wouldn't the problem with a Founder's Ed card be that some of the GPU exhaust gets recycled into the computer element instead of getting sucked out the top? Compared to like the basic 2-slot, 3-fan Gigabytes.
Not as beastly as Linus himself
He had a beard too
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Cooler master nr200p are probably my go to for small forms factor. Can even mod it to fit a micro atx and 280mm AIO.
Its a laptop motherboard in a PC case.
Not sure you can call that tiny thing a "motherboard"
@@potapovus They have basically taken a motherboard very similar to those used in laptops, put a large cooler on it, and stuffed it into a case so you can hook a full sized GPU to it. Then charged a premium for it. Its a frakenstien laptop.
They recommend not using pass through design cards though so there might be some other options but not many.
Hey, if you guys don't want that 3060, I'll gladly take it off your hands...
Poor 3060 getting shade :< It's not the greatest, sure, but it does the job at an okay price.
@@AkuniLesare what is the issue with 3060? I thought that it was a great card.
@@rahulkopparthi9039 I went from a 1660 to a 3060, I was lucky enough to get it close to MSRP and I love the card. It smashes 1080p and in the vast majority of the games I play, happily lets me game at 1440p ultrawide.
@@fullofpenguins thanks man. Thinking of buying legion 5 pro with a 3060
2:08 Anyone else notice the RTX 3070 option says +2000 dollars?
+2000$ for an RTX 3070 ... Alright
3500 dollars alone with a 3070 and 8 gb of vram. This thing is ass.
Even in the current GPU market I'm sure you can get a 3070 for less. They're selling it for 3.3x the RRP, lol
@@carltonleboss you can. Micro center has them on their shelves again every day. They’re about 900- 1k
That sponser Segue was bloody brilliant!
Intel's naming scheme of picking a random word from the dictionary and then adding "canyon" to the end is getting really old real quick...
Although it's fitting, since a canyon is basically a huge ditch and that's where intel belongs.
that's a nice product lil amd fanboy
@@pietrocavicchioli6128 Yes but its a fat burn though.
@@joempoem478 dude, it's a bit embarrassing, but can I ask you the meaning of "fat burn", I'm not a native speaker, so I don't understand the slang really, despite that the concept of a pcie connectable pc is nice and interesting.
For the price might as well go with a small form factor prebuilt with better performance.