Thanks for this video, it will help people new to SONY to get these 2 working together. I messed around to get the setting on both to get the look I want, with minimal post processing.
well to get Minimal, post processing the best way to do that is to shoot in Cinetone profile that looks great strait out of camera and Ninja V as well...
Got one question, when shooting with the settings you showed in this video, is it normal that i cant chose PQ as Monitoring on the Ninja V? Only Native or LUT is showing up for me, REC709, HLG and PQ are greyed out @A Moment In Time Productions
Enjoyed your video and learned quite a bit that others haven't covered in their Sony FX30 Reviews. Thanks for sharing. Side Note: I've used "Regist. Faces Priority" numerous times with the Sony FX30, but it doesn't appear to actually work (stay focused on a subject anymore than if it wasn't engaged).
i have used it a couple times and i know it works, but when you have the camera read the face to register it you got to make sure when you apply it it takes or it won't work.. Here is a more detailed video on that from the guy who created it for Sony ruclips.net/video/_xZ8SYVwIzE/видео.html
The record media during hdmi output setting must have been fixed in an update. I can record both UHD internal and 4.2k Prores RAW on the Ninja simultaneously
wow thank you 🎉 i have been sscrumminggg through YT and google to find this answer 😢 Shooting this sunday and im SOO nervous that something going to go Wrong with footage only on SSD so i baught a Angle Bird SD to Dual write because im so frikin nervous😂😂😂 Any tips?!??
Fantastic video, thanks for all that you have done. As you say there really is little info on an Atomos recorder/monitor & FX3 set-up and this definitely answered a number of things with this set-up. I actually bought a Shogun Connect yesterday hoping that I could record 4K120p out of the FX3 & it turns out that because the camera only runs at HDMI 2.0 the max res you can output is 4K60p. The only way to get 4K120p is via an SDI port & unfortunately that is a drawback to the FX3, in fact I believe that is why it is not a true Cinema Line camera, but rather an Alpha model. Really bummed, but hey-ho gotta get shooting until I can upgrade to an FX6 or similar:).
Actually Sony Could release a Firmware Update and allow the Camera to Output 4k 120, the Canon Does it and i believe the HDMI is 2.0 And the Atamos Ninja V+ HDMI is 2.0 so the HDMI 2.0 has nothing to do with the Limitation of the 4K 120 that is because Sony refuses to allow 4K 120 Though the HDMI, why probably because they want to sell there Cinema Line Models. We all Need to Bug Sony For a Firmware update and allow this they can do it and it's capable of it.
also i have another video on this topic that has more detail into it and gives more information as well it's here ruclips.net/video/jxIGgLWbT2w/видео.html
@@AMomentInTimeProductions I've just checked the Atomos site and on the Ninja + specs it says "Video Input 1 x HDMI (2.0) 4k 60p. HDMI can only do 4k 60p max, HDMI 2.1 however can do 120p. It's all a bit confusing. You can record 120p if you have the Atomos SDI module, but obvs the FX3 doesn't have SDI out.
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Ooooh let me have a look at that one too:). Mmm, question can you actually record internally say XAVC S-I & Pro Res externally or can you only record Pro Res RAW externally?
@@soocmedia you can record formats other than RAW but you can't do it in log mode, you have to turn off log and then (if you want to shoot in log) edit any PP to gamma:slog3 colorspace: sgamut3.cine detail: -7 it must take too much processing power to do the Cine EI or run LUTS bc in addition to only being able to do 4k over HDMI when log's off, you can't use a LUT as a custom PP and send that either... you can just do one of the preset PPs, or the edited one (to get log) it's annoying af and yeh no 120 i wish they'd give us SOMETHING significant in an atomos firmware
long time ninja V user here and you can do 4k 60 with the normal Ninja V if you are not doing proress raw if your ssd and your HDMI is fine.You can record internal and RAW at the same time as well in 30 fps in raw on the ninja V and 60 in the ninja V +
yeah i never said you couldn't do any of them things, i was saying the Ninja V+ is required if you want to do Prores RAW at 60 fps.. you can do it internally only with the CFexpress type A card but that would cost you thousands of dollars, CFexpress type A cards only come in 160 GB the highest size in space, and it cost $500.00 for 160 GB so if your recording Prores raw on the Nina V+ using a 2 TB SSD your going to run out of space on the CF express type A card really fast. Using CFexpress type A card is not really a good idea they are not worth it, i wouldn't even pay $100.00 for a 160GB card, i can get a WD BLUE 1.2 TB card for $90.00 the CFexpress type a card is a joke.. Not sure why Sony Insist on using that garbage card, they should be using the CFexpress type B cards , they are faster newer technology, cost a lot less, you can get a 2TB Cfexpress type B card for $500.00 or so, oh i know why Sony insist on using the type A instead , because Sony owns that technology every time a CFexpress type A card is sold they get paid LOL So goes to show you Sony Doesn't care about their customers only a payday... www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1570534-REG/delkin_devices_dcfx1_2tb_2tb_cfexpress_power_memory.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A6879&gclid=CjwKCAiAxP2eBhBiEiwA5puhNauAO2Zgx8IZmyFDnmo_Xtk7Htg74X_gbJ7TFllJCMe5VvaOjUK2LhoCLxEQAvD_BwE
Thank you very helpful! Only issue I find is I can’t play back pro res raw on my editing suite. I’m using premiere pro for editing and have installed pro res raw 1.3 also from Apple site can’t play the files. I’m running a i9 CPU, 64GB RAM, m.2 high speed drives and Radeon Vii 16GB GPU. Any thoughts or help appreciated. Messaged Adobe and they said pro res raw won’t won’t on Radeon GPU?! Put the files on a cheap Mac mini about 3yrs old worked not a problem. Have about $7K editing rig and can’t play the files pulling my hair out
So you select XAVCS-I but that setting is only for internal recording. If you will be recording to an external device like Ninja isn’t the HDMI Output settings more relevant? And isn’t the HDMI Resolution setting only for playback like when connected to a TV. This was confusing. I think I need to read the manual now.
The XACS-I is for internal, but recording though HDMI (NINJA V) the Ninja is using it's own codec which is Prores HQ which is equivalent to internally recording using XACS-I.. And HDMI resolution setting is not just for playback it's for recording, it's the signal that is sent to the ninja the Ninja Only can record as good as it gets from the camera... When you choose XACS-I with in the camera and shoot externally, that XACS-I is going though the HDIM to the Ninja, for faster video flow to the NINJA and higher bit rate. Once the Ninja gets the video it then decodes it and then out put's it to Prores HQ or what ever coded you choose in the Ninja that being Prores Or DNX. So XACS-I is going though the HDMI to the Ninja yes, it's just not the final coded that the Ninja Writes to the SSD Drive.
Yes you can make sure your Ninja V+ is updated with the latest firmware.. I have done it many times.. Look at the video at timeline 12:37 where is says prores HQ that is where you change it to prores raw but make sure your camera is in Raw Mode as well..
Yes it will pick it up atuomatically right on the fly, But not if you switch while your recording no, you have to stop recording than switch than start recording again...
@@AMomentInTimeProductionsthanks but it only switches if you have log shooting on like cine el and that but if you turn it off it won’t switch I shoot Slog 3 pp6 and it doesn’t change in that ?
Hey man,when using the atomos ninja,my fx3 lcd goes black screen whenever i wanna playback my footages, and it doesn't shows in the atomos monitor either, do you know how to fix this issue?
make sure you have HDMI info display set to off, Also, make sure HDMI resolution is set to 2160P make sure media Dur is set to HDMI Output is set to OFF (HDMI ONLY) that will solve it all
Interesting choice to show all of your settings but to navigate to them from your own set menus instead of showing where everything resides within the actual Sony menu system.
Yes but you can still find it with in the Sony Original Menus, all you do is search the name of what your looking for.. i did it that way to move the video along quicker.
Can u please tell me, why when I'm recording both camera and Nonja simultaneously , 4k 25 fps on camera shows 50 fhd on the external? My HDMI is for 60fps on 4k... I can't record simultaneously on the same settings... i can only do that when I change to "HDMI Only" option
I believe the Ninja is not capable for doing 50FPS only 29.97 and 59.94 they call 59.94 60 fps because it's very close, the Ninja's Frame rates are on US standards , how ever 50 fps is Europe standers. the frame rates in Europe are 25 , 50 Not 29.97 and 59.94 so that is you can't get the same frame rate simultaneously from the camera and Ninja, so if you want the same on both you have to set your Camera frame rate to 29.97 and 59.94 not 25 or 50 never use 50 fps on your Sony Camera unless your recording footage for Europe
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Hey, you didn't understand me. Sorry... My problem is that when i set the camera to 25 fps in 4k, the Ninja input is 50fhd. That happens when i want to record simultaneously. Both camera and Ninja. I think it happens when I want to record in Cine EI mode. Because when I record in PP11 (cinetone) it looks fine... So how can I record in Cine EI simultaneously? The only option to deliver the same settings from the camera is by choosing "hdmi only" from the setup settings on camera....
Do you know why when I'm recording 120fps, why is my ninja saying 59.94fps? If I try to set "4k Output Set.(HDMI Only)" like you did, why are we both not seeing 120p 10bit as an option? I'm just asking because I know the NinjaV+ will recieve this signal, but my FX3 doesn't seem to have a mode to output it. Thank you.
That's because the Sony FX3 and FX30 doesn't output 120 fps though HDMI. Only internal recording, which is stupid i agree, because both the Ninja and the camera's are capable of 120 fps, but Sony seems to block off 120 fps though HDMI, I'm not sure why they do that because it would work fine.. The only reason i can think that Sony would do this, is first off if your going to do 4k 120 fps, you need to record that internally on a Cfexpress type A card, you can't do it on SD cards, so i think they are forcing people to go out and buy CFexpress type A cards, because CF express type A cards Belongs to SONY, so any time a manufacture that sells a SF express type A card sony gets paid some money for it.. Another example is why they made both camera's using CFress type A rather than CFexpress type B, because Sony doesn't own Cfexpress type B, and How ever CFexprss type B is faster cheaper and better all around then CFexpress type A, but continue to make these camera's take CFexpress Type A, which really sucks.. They cost like 3 or 4 times as much as a CFexpress type B and the highest capacity Cfexpress type A is 160 GB they don't make a cfexpress tyep A that holds more then 160 GB and that 160 GB card cost $500.00, how ever Cfexpress type B comes in at 2TB and also 4TB size, and the 2TB cfexpress type B cards you can buy them for like $600.00 to $800.00 where if you wanted 2TB of Cfexpress type A cards you would have to buy 14 160GB cads at $500.00 each which would cost you around $7,000.00 It's really all about money, Sony doesn't really give a shit about you, they just want that payday coming to them, they could care less what is better for the customer, otherwise they would make the camera's take CFexpress type B instead of type A, which type A sucks, it's old technology and not as good either..
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Sony now has 320 and 640GB cards now but, they are pricey. There are other folks that sell them in the US, not the larger size, only up to 160GB for less than Sony's cards. The 160GB will be fine in the FX30, for 4K Intra recording. I find the Intra size to be larger than recording on the Ninja in H.265 HQ. The SSD for the Ninja is also less costly than Sony's cards so that might be the better way to go. I got an Angelbird 512GB for the Ninja, it's a really good SSD. The 1TB version is even less than the 320GB Sony CF Express card.
you can't do 120fps using the Ninja with the Sony Fx30, Sony won't allow 120 fps though the HDMI for some reason probably because they want you to buy their Cfexpress type A cards..
When File Format is set to XAVC S 4K, and the images are recorded to a memory card inserted in the camera the display will be turned off on the camera.. Also Turn off HDMI Info. Display. It is in Setup.. The camera LCD should work fine with the HDMI plugged in, provided it’s set up correctly.
Yes you can use Cine EI to record on the Ninja V. I do it all the time.. Cine EI is only a function with in the camera, the output though the HDMI is the same. So when your in Cine EI mode, it's going to the NInja as well.. And you an also record in Flexible ISO, in that mode you can change your ISO and go below 800 or below 640 or Even set the ISO to 200 if you like and it still looks awesome, As a matter of fact you get a cleaner less noise video when your shooting at 400 or 200 ISO Even Gerald Undone Has proven this.. Check out his video ruclips.net/video/rLG_zlshlSA/видео.html And i have a video out on that as well.. ruclips.net/video/aLzoMO-LyNw/видео.html
@@AMomentInTimeProductions its still adjusting shutter "speed". Shutter "angle" is the same thing, its just worded and utilized differently. On higher end cinema cameras, when you change the shutter "angle" - for example to 180 degrees, and you are shooting 24p, it automatically sets what is the shutter "speed" to 1/48. If you were to change to 60p, than your shutter speed would be 1/120. 120p would be 1/240. So using the shutter "angle" function on higher end cameras automatically will keep your shutter speed at 180 degrees, regardless of what you set your framerate to. if you change it to 90 degrees, than it would ofcourse give the frame rate its corresponding 90 degree shutter "speed". Most higher end cinema cameras of course allow you to change from using "Shutter Angle" to "Shutter Speed" because they work differently - actually for the very reason you explained when talking about shutter angel and thats to remove flicker. Its quite unique that Sony in the FX30 and FX3 did it this way because we get no shutter "angle" option (which I would prefer so i dont have to change the shutter speed when I change frame rates - I dont use S&Q much, theres actually a quality loss for some reason), but instead only shutter "speed" adjustment which again, thought it was weird 1) neither cameras shoot true 24P, they shoot 23.97 but its cool you can use "variable shutter speed" under "anti-flicker to be at the perfect 180 shutter rule with that frame rate. But personally, i think Sony should update the firmware to 1) give us shutter "angle" option to switch back and forth. After all, this is a "cinema" camera as they market it that way - and also literally written on the camera 2) make their "24p" to be a TRUE "24p", and 3) remove the sensor crop on the FX30 when RAW output is enabled because the FX3 nor A7SIII or A7IV do this. Not sure why the FX30 does, but i think they should change that. that 17% crop sucks even more already being on super 35 to begin with and I use RAW religiously. Workflow is more work but with how I use my Cameras, I have that time in the post production process to do that (and I like the image better - given the 12 bit color)
@@AMomentInTimeProductions my audio is not recording on the ninja v+ error audio not detected I have a Sony microphone ECM-MS2 trying to download the manuals from Sony but can’t find them the PDF I wasted a whole day it is recording to the camera but not to the ninja
@@AMomentInTimeProductions thank you but I got so fed up with Sony I had my fx30 up for sale on eBay and went back to my alpha a7IV now I have to learn how to set it up if it works with RODE wireless microphones or my DJI wireless microphone thx
3:36 Nobody made a video about that one setting to being able to shoot in UHD4K. Thank you so much!!!
This is good to know! However, how can we set it up so that you can record 4K LOG in camera at the same time?
Thanks for this video, it will help people new to SONY to get these 2 working together. I messed around to get the setting on both to get the look I want, with minimal post processing.
well to get Minimal, post processing the best way to do that is to shoot in Cinetone profile that looks great strait out of camera and Ninja V as well...
And Glad i was able to help
well today it worked for me but for audio om my Ninja V plus 3.5mm cable from MIC/LNE tp my FX3 Input is attached without it I can get audio to work
Well that is good
Thanks so much! U helped me so much with this Video!
Got one question, when shooting with the settings you showed in this video, is it normal that i cant chose PQ as Monitoring on the Ninja V? Only Native or LUT is showing up for me, REC709, HLG and PQ are greyed out @A Moment In Time Productions
Enjoyed your video and learned quite a bit that others haven't covered in their Sony FX30 Reviews. Thanks for sharing. Side Note: I've used "Regist. Faces Priority" numerous times with the Sony FX30, but it doesn't appear to actually work (stay focused on a subject anymore than if it wasn't engaged).
i have used it a couple times and i know it works,
but when you have the camera read the face to register it you got to make sure when you apply it it takes or it won't work..
Here is a more detailed video on that from the guy who created it for Sony
ruclips.net/video/_xZ8SYVwIzE/видео.html
The record media during hdmi output setting must have been fixed in an update. I can record both UHD internal and 4.2k Prores RAW on the Ninja simultaneously
wow thank you 🎉 i have been sscrumminggg through YT and google to find this answer 😢 Shooting this sunday and im SOO nervous that something going to go Wrong with footage only on SSD so i baught a Angle Bird SD to Dual write because im so frikin nervous😂😂😂 Any tips?!??
great video! if anyone is having an issue trying to get an image when shooting RAW make sure to update firmware! LOL i made that mistake...
Fantastic video, thanks for all that you have done. As you say there really is little info on an Atomos recorder/monitor & FX3 set-up and this definitely answered a number of things with this set-up. I actually bought a Shogun Connect yesterday hoping that I could record 4K120p out of the FX3 & it turns out that because the camera only runs at HDMI 2.0 the max res you can output is 4K60p. The only way to get 4K120p is via an SDI port & unfortunately that is a drawback to the FX3, in fact I believe that is why it is not a true Cinema Line camera, but rather an Alpha model. Really bummed, but hey-ho gotta get shooting until I can upgrade to an FX6 or similar:).
Actually Sony Could release a Firmware Update and allow the Camera to Output 4k 120, the Canon Does it and i believe the HDMI is 2.0 And the Atamos Ninja V+ HDMI is 2.0 so the HDMI 2.0 has nothing to do with the Limitation of the 4K 120 that is because Sony refuses to allow 4K 120 Though the HDMI, why probably because they want to sell there Cinema Line Models. We all Need to Bug Sony For a Firmware update and allow this they can do it and it's capable of it.
also i have another video on this topic that has more detail into it and gives more information as well it's here
ruclips.net/video/jxIGgLWbT2w/видео.html
@@AMomentInTimeProductions I've just checked the Atomos site and on the Ninja + specs it says "Video Input 1 x HDMI (2.0) 4k 60p. HDMI can only do 4k 60p max, HDMI 2.1 however can do 120p. It's all a bit confusing. You can record 120p if you have the Atomos SDI module, but obvs the FX3 doesn't have SDI out.
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Ooooh let me have a look at that one too:). Mmm, question can you actually record internally say XAVC S-I & Pro Res externally or can you only record Pro Res RAW externally?
@@soocmedia you can record formats other than RAW but you can't do it in log mode, you have to turn off log and then (if you want to shoot in log) edit any PP to gamma:slog3 colorspace: sgamut3.cine detail: -7
it must take too much processing power to do the Cine EI or run LUTS bc in addition to only being able to do 4k over HDMI when log's off, you can't use a LUT as a custom PP and send that either... you can just do one of the preset PPs, or the edited one (to get log)
it's annoying af
and yeh no 120
i wish they'd give us SOMETHING significant in an atomos firmware
long time ninja V user here and you can do 4k 60 with the normal Ninja V if you are not doing proress raw if your ssd and your HDMI is fine.You can record internal and RAW at the same time as well in 30 fps in raw on the ninja V and 60 in the ninja V +
yeah i never said you couldn't do any of them things, i was saying the Ninja V+ is required if you want to do Prores RAW at 60 fps..
you can do it internally only with the CFexpress type A card but that would cost you thousands of dollars, CFexpress type A cards only come in 160 GB the highest size in space, and it cost $500.00 for 160 GB so if your recording Prores raw on the Nina V+ using a 2 TB SSD your going to run out of space on the CF express type A card really fast.
Using CFexpress type A card is not really a good idea they are not worth it, i wouldn't even pay $100.00 for a 160GB card, i can get a WD BLUE 1.2 TB card for $90.00 the CFexpress type a card is a joke.. Not sure why Sony Insist on using that garbage card,
they should be using the CFexpress type B cards , they are faster newer technology, cost a lot less, you can get a 2TB Cfexpress type B card for $500.00 or so, oh i know why Sony insist on using the type A instead , because Sony owns that technology every time
a CFexpress type A card is sold they get paid LOL
So goes to show you Sony Doesn't care about their customers only a payday...
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1570534-REG/delkin_devices_dcfx1_2tb_2tb_cfexpress_power_memory.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A6879&gclid=CjwKCAiAxP2eBhBiEiwA5puhNauAO2Zgx8IZmyFDnmo_Xtk7Htg74X_gbJ7TFllJCMe5VvaOjUK2LhoCLxEQAvD_BwE
Awesome video. Thank you so much!
Good content
Thank you very helpful! Only issue I find is I can’t play back pro res raw on my editing suite. I’m using premiere pro for editing and have installed pro res raw 1.3 also from Apple site can’t play the files.
I’m running a i9 CPU, 64GB RAM, m.2 high speed drives and Radeon Vii 16GB GPU.
Any thoughts or help appreciated. Messaged Adobe and they said pro res raw won’t won’t on Radeon GPU?! Put the files on a cheap Mac mini about 3yrs old worked not a problem. Have about $7K editing rig and can’t play the files pulling my hair out
They are correct, Prores Raw wil not work with a Radeon, also you need Nvidia Graphics card to run prores raw on Premier pro.
So you select XAVCS-I but that setting is only for internal recording. If you will be recording to an external device like Ninja isn’t the HDMI Output settings more relevant? And isn’t the HDMI Resolution setting only for playback like when connected to a TV. This was confusing. I think I need to read the manual now.
The XACS-I is for internal, but recording though HDMI (NINJA V) the Ninja is using it's own codec which is Prores HQ which is equivalent to internally recording using XACS-I..
And HDMI resolution setting is not just for playback it's for recording, it's the signal that is sent to the ninja the Ninja Only can record as good as it gets from the camera...
When you choose XACS-I with in the camera and shoot externally, that XACS-I is going though the HDIM to the Ninja, for faster video flow to the NINJA and higher bit rate.
Once the Ninja gets the video it then decodes it and then out put's it to Prores HQ or what ever coded you choose in the Ninja that being Prores Or DNX.
So XACS-I is going though the HDMI to the Ninja yes, it's just not the final coded that the Ninja Writes to the SSD Drive.
If I buy the ninja V+ can I record Raw with the fx30 without the crop?
Yes you can make sure your Ninja V+ is updated with the latest firmware..
I have done it many times..
Look at the video at timeline 12:37 where is says prores HQ that is where you change it to prores raw but make sure your camera is in Raw Mode as well..
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Thanks for the answer, is there no way to avoid the crop from the raw recording?
What if you switch camera over to 24 FPS will the ninja pick that up ?
Yes the Ninja Automatically knows what frame rate you selected in your camera, it will automatically adjust for that in the Ninja.
Yes it will pick it up atuomatically right on the fly,
But not if you switch while your recording no, you have to stop recording than switch than start recording again...
@@AMomentInTimeProductionsthanks but it only switches if you have log shooting on like cine el and that but if you turn it off it won’t switch I shoot Slog 3 pp6 and it doesn’t change in that ?
Thanks for the video. How were you able to get to the Variable Shutter Set? Can’t seem to find it on my FX3 Menu.
you mean shutter angle? look for Anti-flicker in the menus it's under there.
the setting is in ANTI-FLicker Menu
Not finding it on my FX3 this may be only on the fx30 right now
do fx3 have the anti flicker? cos i can't find it :(
Yes it does have anti-flicker it's in the Menu.
MENU → (Shooting) → [Shutter/Silent] → [Anti-flicker Set.]
@@AMomentInTimeProductions i think its for photo mode only
Hey man,when using the atomos ninja,my fx3 lcd goes black screen whenever i wanna playback my footages, and it doesn't shows in the atomos monitor either, do you know how to fix this issue?
make sure you have HDMI info display set to off, Also, make sure HDMI resolution is set to 2160P
make sure media Dur is set to HDMI Output is set to OFF (HDMI ONLY) that will solve it all
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Thank you! I bought a new HDMI cable and that solved the issue for me😄
Interesting choice to show all of your settings but to navigate to them from your own set menus instead of showing where everything resides within the actual Sony menu system.
Yes but you can still find it with in the Sony Original Menus, all you do is search the name of what your looking for.. i did it that way to move the video along quicker.
Can u please tell me, why when I'm recording both camera and Nonja simultaneously , 4k 25 fps on camera shows 50 fhd on the external?
My HDMI is for 60fps on 4k...
I can't record simultaneously on the same settings... i can only do that when I change to "HDMI Only" option
I believe the Ninja is not capable for doing 50FPS only 29.97 and 59.94 they call 59.94 60 fps because it's very close, the Ninja's Frame rates are on US standards , how ever 50 fps is Europe standers. the frame rates in Europe are 25 , 50 Not 29.97 and 59.94 so that is you can't get the same frame rate simultaneously from the camera and Ninja, so if you want the same on both you have to set your Camera frame rate to 29.97 and 59.94 not 25 or 50 never use 50 fps on your Sony Camera unless your recording footage for Europe
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Hey, you didn't understand me. Sorry...
My problem is that when i set the camera to 25 fps in 4k, the Ninja input is 50fhd.
That happens when i want to record simultaneously. Both camera and Ninja.
I think it happens when I want to record in Cine EI mode. Because when I record in PP11 (cinetone) it looks fine...
So how can I record in Cine EI simultaneously?
The only option to deliver the same settings from the camera is by choosing "hdmi only" from the setup settings on camera....
Do you know why when I'm recording 120fps, why is my ninja saying 59.94fps? If I try to set "4k Output Set.(HDMI Only)" like you did, why are we both not seeing 120p 10bit as an option? I'm just asking because I know the NinjaV+ will recieve this signal, but my FX3 doesn't seem to have a mode to output it. Thank you.
That's because the Sony FX3 and FX30 doesn't output 120 fps though HDMI.
Only internal recording, which is stupid i agree, because both the Ninja and the camera's are capable of 120 fps, but Sony seems to block off 120 fps though HDMI, I'm not sure why they do that because it would work fine..
The only reason i can think that Sony would do this, is first off if your going to do 4k 120 fps, you need to record that internally on a Cfexpress type A card, you can't do it on SD cards, so i think they are forcing people to go out and buy CFexpress type A cards, because CF express type A cards Belongs to SONY, so any time a manufacture that sells a SF express type A card sony gets paid some money for it..
Another example is why they made both camera's using CFress type A rather than CFexpress type B, because Sony doesn't own Cfexpress type B, and How ever CFexprss type B is faster cheaper and better all around then CFexpress type A, but continue to make these camera's take CFexpress Type A, which really sucks..
They cost like 3 or 4 times as much as a CFexpress type B and the highest capacity Cfexpress type A is 160 GB they don't make a cfexpress tyep A that holds more then 160 GB and that 160 GB card cost $500.00, how ever
Cfexpress type B comes in at 2TB and also 4TB size, and the 2TB cfexpress type B cards you can buy them for like $600.00 to $800.00 where if you wanted 2TB of Cfexpress type A cards you would have to buy 14 160GB cads at $500.00 each which would cost you around $7,000.00
It's really all about money, Sony doesn't really give a shit about you, they just want that payday coming to them, they could care less what is better for the customer, otherwise they would make the camera's take CFexpress type B instead of type A, which type A sucks, it's old technology and not as good either..
@@AMomentInTimeProductions Sony now has 320 and 640GB cards now but, they are pricey. There are other folks that sell them in the US, not the larger size, only up to 160GB for less than Sony's cards.
The 160GB will be fine in the FX30, for 4K Intra recording. I find the Intra size to be larger than recording on the Ninja in H.265 HQ. The SSD for the Ninja is also less costly than Sony's cards so that might be the better way to go. I got an Angelbird 512GB for the Ninja, it's a really good SSD. The 1TB version is even less than the 320GB Sony CF Express card.
you can't do 120fps using the Ninja with the Sony Fx30, Sony won't allow 120 fps though the HDMI for some reason probably because they want you to buy their Cfexpress type A cards..
Because you can't record at 120fps when recording with the ninja,, Sony has crippled that
@@waynerm002 Yeah i would never buy them cards they are a rip off
How do I keep my FX30 display on? As soon as I turn on the Ninja my camera display turns off
When File Format is set to XAVC S 4K, and the images are recorded to a memory card inserted in the camera the display will be turned off on the camera..
Also Turn off HDMI Info. Display.
It is in Setup..
The camera LCD should work fine with the HDMI plugged in, provided it’s set up correctly.
Amazing thanks! The only thing I needed to do is turn off HDMI Info then I got it back. Thank you for the tip @@AMomentInTimeProductions
Is CINE EI mode compatible with recording on atomos ninja v?
Yes you can use Cine EI to record on the Ninja V.
I do it all the time..
Cine EI is only a function with in the camera, the output though the HDMI is the same.
So when your in Cine EI mode, it's going to the NInja as well..
And you an also record in Flexible ISO, in that mode you can change your ISO and go below 800 or below 640 or Even set the ISO to 200 if you like and it still looks awesome, As a matter of fact you get a cleaner less noise video when your shooting at 400 or 200 ISO
Even Gerald Undone Has proven this.. Check out his video
ruclips.net/video/rLG_zlshlSA/видео.html
And i have a video out on that as well..
ruclips.net/video/aLzoMO-LyNw/видео.html
The FX3 allows you to adjust Shutter angle?
Yes it's in the Anti-Flicker Menu
shutter "speed", i think he mistakenly said "angle"
@@realghostactual No i said Shutter Angle, there is a Shutter Angle Adjustment just find the Anti-Flicker Menu shown in my video
@@AMomentInTimeProductions its still adjusting shutter "speed". Shutter "angle" is the same thing, its just worded and utilized differently. On higher end cinema cameras, when you change the shutter "angle" - for example to 180 degrees, and you are shooting 24p, it automatically sets what is the shutter "speed" to 1/48. If you were to change to 60p, than your shutter speed would be 1/120. 120p would be 1/240. So using the shutter "angle" function on higher end cameras automatically will keep your shutter speed at 180 degrees, regardless of what you set your framerate to. if you change it to 90 degrees, than it would ofcourse give the frame rate its corresponding 90 degree shutter "speed". Most higher end cinema cameras of course allow you to change from using "Shutter Angle" to "Shutter Speed" because they work differently - actually for the very reason you explained when talking about shutter angel and thats to remove flicker. Its quite unique that Sony in the FX30 and FX3 did it this way because we get no shutter "angle" option (which I would prefer so i dont have to change the shutter speed when I change frame rates - I dont use S&Q much, theres actually a quality loss for some reason), but instead only shutter "speed" adjustment which again, thought it was weird 1) neither cameras shoot true 24P, they shoot 23.97 but its cool you can use "variable shutter speed" under "anti-flicker to be at the perfect 180 shutter rule with that frame rate. But personally, i think Sony should update the firmware to 1) give us shutter "angle" option to switch back and forth. After all, this is a "cinema" camera as they market it that way - and also literally written on the camera 2) make their "24p" to be a TRUE "24p", and 3) remove the sensor crop on the FX30 when RAW output is enabled because the FX3 nor A7SIII or A7IV do this. Not sure why the FX30 does, but i think they should change that. that 17% crop sucks even more already being on super 35 to begin with and I use RAW religiously. Workflow is more work but with how I use my Cameras, I have that time in the post production process to do that (and I like the image better - given the 12 bit color)
Uhhhh
Tried did not work I am new and you where a bit too fast as this video is for advanced people but thx anyway
you could pause the video?
what was it you tried to do and it didn't work??
@@AMomentInTimeProductions my audio is not recording on the ninja v+ error audio not detected I have a Sony microphone ECM-MS2 trying to download the manuals from Sony but can’t find them the PDF I wasted a whole day it is recording to the camera but not to the ninja
I Done another video to make it easy one new people..
ruclips.net/video/jxIGgLWbT2w/видео.html
@@AMomentInTimeProductions thank you but I got so fed up with Sony I had my fx30 up for sale on eBay and went back to my alpha a7IV now I have to learn how to set it up if it works with RODE wireless microphones or my DJI wireless microphone thx