Parents Campaign for Teen Who Died After Being Told She Had a “Boring” Virus
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024
- The parents of a teenage girl who died from Meningitis B after doctors told her she just had a 'boring' virus, talk to Kate and Adil about their daughter Mia.
Phil and Mel Ginever emotionally explain how Mia could have been saved if she'd been given antibiotics earlier.
Broadcast on 21/06/24
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The issue is not a busy ER, it's huge egos and thinking people do not know their own bodies. This has been happening for decades across the world, it's not ok.
Yes
Agreed. My niece was deeply cut by a branch in the garden and 24 hrs later developed a bad infection. We took her to A&E and she was the last to be seen despite being virtually passed out. The consultant insisted that it wasnt an infection, rather she was probably pregnant. What the actual f**k.
ACROSS THE WORLD THIS IS HAPPENING. The arrogance and self-importance of doctors, nurses and their ilk is WRONG. We pay a FORTUNE for healthcare and the best they could offer is a "boring" virus. What would a simple test have cost? Well, the lack of the test COST Mia her life. They decided and that was that. No further investigating. Once and done, please leave. What happened to 'better safe than sorry'??????
I've heard before that most politicians have a bit of narcissism. I don't know if it's just that or a complete lack of introspection, but doctors are similar. I can't list the number of bad experiences I've had with physicians. They're totally full of themselves, rude, unwilling to listen to patients and indifferent to the patients' health. They misdiagnose, under-diagnose, omit tests and refuse treatment. Not to mention gender and race bias. I feel like there should be strong consequences to malpractice because patients are in a vulnerable state. They literally put their lives in doctors' hands. Or stronger regulation/supervision. Shortage there may be, but letting anyone become (or stay) a doctor is not helping.
That, coupled with the idea that every single human who walks thru the doors it ONLY looking for drugs.
As a nurse in the U.S. I’m disgusted with doctors that I’ve gotten to the point, that I go after them and get them fired. Many physicians have no business being in the medical field. Parents, if one hospital E.R. doesn’t work, take your child to another one, stat. You are your child’s advocate, doctors aren’t God.
Absolutely right. Went to E.R. Hand swollen due to fall, doctor says doesn’t appear anything wrong . Walked out in pain & went to urgent care. You could visibly see my hand was swollen.
Thank you ❤
I’ve been a heart patient my entire life. I’m in my 50s. Medical care isn’t what it used to be! I have noticed a huge uptick in ‘check the box’ physicians. Luckily at my level of specialist care I don’t run into it as much but I do see it. And the bureaucracy has increased triple fold, at least. So easy to get run over by the machinery of the hospital system. Now more than ever you have to advocate for yourself or have a loved one do it for you if you can’t.🇺🇸
Thank you for your dedication! RN save the life of patients in many cases ❤
You're right, I believe Doctors have all turned narcissistic.
Here in Canada each year ~28,000 Canadians die due to medical mistakes.
Those fatality numbers rank just behind heart disease and cancer.
Medical errors also injure tens of thousands more.
We're doomed if we go to hospital and doomed if we don't.
My daughter had this, I called the doctor I told him I thought it was meningitis he called me an over anxious parent, I was devastated. He left her at home for a further 12 hours (I still have flash backs and ptsd from this experience) 12 hours later he finally decided to send her into hospital they had to fly in a consultant from London as my daughters symptoms were presenting back to front so they gave her a lumber puncture and found she had Meningitis. My daughter is left with profound deafness in one ear and moderate deafness in her right ear. I'm in tears for these parents.
Oh my heart. I love my daughter with my whole heart, and I am devastated for these parents.
What do u mean by “ He” left her at home for another 12hours? … your family doctor is NOT the same as an Emergency Doctor and can’t diagnose anyone over the phone? How are you trying to blame the Doctor when you could have easily walked into the Hospital w her yourself ??? Especially when you had some strong suspicions of it too?
@@DogsforadoptionOttawa another anonymous user victim blaming parents who trust healthcare professionals 🙄
I never said he diagnosed he over the phone, did i? he was the top practice doctor and visited he 4 times before sending her into hospital @@DogsforadoptionOttawa
Absolutely incompetent doctors
My daughter had bacterial meningitis when she was 16. She started with a fever and sore throat at 3p.m. by 5 the next morning she had the rash and was delirious. I drove her to hospital and the nurse looked at her and knew immediately what she had. She said "she is very ill" and whisked us back to a room. Within 10 minutes she'd had a spinal tap and was on i.v. antibiotics. It was so severe that the spinal fluid looked like white glue instead of clear fluid. She had a blood clot in the calf of her leg. She recovered but was left with a brain dysfunction. So scary. I thank God for that triage nurse who knew exactly what she was seeing.
I hate when doctors say “you’re an over protective parent “ my child also passed away from a brain tumor that was diagnosed as a “lazy” eye. 😡
Sorry to hear that😮❤
😢
If your doctor says you're an over protective parent . . . my reaction would be to immediately leave to find a better doctor.
@@nemo227 I did that. That’s how she was diagnosed with cancer.
@@nemo227 Not always true. My mother was what could be called an over protective parent, and I was brought to the doctor on things that I thought and turned out not really a problem. But, sure, it could be argued to go 10 times to often is better than one not enough that causes great harm.
My 15 month old son died 22 years ago. april just gone, and he died from meningococcal septicemia he was seen by the gp 7 hours before he died. My doctor told me it was a virus which was making him sick and told me to take him home and give him calpol. That was at 12 noon, and my son died by 7 pm that night. This brings back so many memories. I am so sorry for the families loss. 💔💔💔😭😭
I am sorry to hear that Emma. May you find some peace in due time in the knowledge that your little boy is at peace - his soul lives on - and one day you will be fully reunited with him. In the meantime know that he is still with you each day in a special and very real way, not merely a memory.
@@GordonSou thank you very much. Beautiful words.
Oh Emma i am so so sorry for your loss😥😥😥😥
So sorry for your loss. Its a terrifying infection and is definitely not caused by a virus! My little grandson had viral meningitis. He was admitted into hospital too and antiviral intravenous meds were given. He made a full recovery.
@wendymae2286 Thank you so much ❤️ ❤️
This is absolutely disgusting she had all the classic symptoms of Meningitis.
The level of incompetence and neglect in this case is off the scale.
Such a tragic waste of a beautiful young life my deepest condolences to her parents family and loved onrs.
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If there is a protocol and it was broken in this case then the Dr's should face disciplinary action. This is malpractice.
Sepsis protocol was broken. That's also why there are sepsis protocols too because you can't wait for a culture to grow. It's based off your vital signs and a couple blood test that basically see if your immune system is being activated. They still run the cultures and then if they come back negative in the next few days then they stop the antibiotics.
This is the UK. Do they even face civil lawsuits?! People complain about the US, but really, the UK is undone by arrogance and ego. No better.
@@cathycoryell2351 No. No one does anything. The NHS is terrible. I'm no longer living in the UK and have returned to my home country. Me and my husband got severely ill, the worst we've ever been sick, and were told to just drink water and take paracetamol. There is better care in third world countries. Your government's policy is to dismiss patient's health concerns instead prioritizing finances and cost savings. It's terrible. When I go to the doctor in my country, I don't have to fight for antibiotics and medication. Antibiotics are not dangerous in normal circumstances but your people are scare mongered into thinking anti biotics are the worst thing in the world. It's bizarre. It's cruel how badly your people are treated and terrible your standard of care is. In my country, the doctor would be prosecuted for medical negligence... Especially since no tests were ordered.
Gosh it's absolutely horrendous that poor girl, and people who try to insist to doctors they feel so ill are just disregarded still to this day 😢
I’ve had a fever, migraines that make me go blind in my left eye, nausea, vomiting, flu like aches and pains due to several dental abscessed for years and no one is concerned about sepsis despite their enow being a big abscess under my left eye about a huge cavity I can’t have extractions except under general anaesthesia as sedatives and painkillers down work on me as I have a connective tissue disorder
the way doctors and medical staff refuse to treat women and young girls like human beings. Many such cases like this
Why would you limit this to "woman and girls"
Everybody in the middle and lower class gets this same treatment. Do you have no sympathy for the men and boys that go through the same...?
You should see how they treat black men 💀
@@Wallychans
Everybody in the middle and lower class doesn’t get the same treatment.
It’s different for women and girls and it’s different for people of color. The data already shows this. You can look into the research yourself.
Men comment under this if yall are seething. Billions must rage
I had meningite B when I was 27.
I was admited right away and isolated.
I was in hospital for 15 days.
I am so sorry❤
Basically she had the non blanching rash and the doctors dismissed it. Absolutely shocking negligence
My brother died from pneumonia 2 days after seeing the doctor and being told he had a flu
So sorry 😢
It's so sad that of some doctors would just take their patient serious then they might have more people alive. My mom was stage 4 cancer dealing with severe pain for a year prior to when she was diagnosed kept going to doctors in the US none of them would do an mri which would have shown them my mom had osteosarcoma. She eventually got an mri in Mexico when she came to the US with her results doctors wouldn't help her due to no health care. Finally a doctor at the mayo clinic fronted her treatment because it was such a rare case of cancer so they also wanted some data on that cancer treatment. She passed terminally Ill at the young age of 40. It's sad the world we live in you must advocate for yourself or hope ur family does
My father died after being told he had the flu it was actually peritonitis setting in
How heart breaking
So sorry for your loss
The problem is once they put in her chart that it was viral at the first visit to the ER no one will reconsider the diagnosis until it’s too late.
same for psychological diagnosis they smear in your records when they cant figure out a chemical related injury. You have to run from those doctors and not let them litter in your records.
@@stephaniestephanie1290 Nobody can predict which doctor would or wouldn't do that
THIS. It's the thin white line. Once a doctor writes down a diagnosis, no other doctor will contradict them, or even consider that they might be wrong.
Meanwhile people suffer and die. It's happened to my family. An absurdly clear misdiagnosis, but no doctor in the US will change it.
That's why the doctor on this show is a unicorn. He's actually willing to publicly go on record stating another doctor's diagnosis was wrong??? Unbelievable.
@@JamieM470 That's why I would never pass on such a report. And if it were entered into an electronic system accessible by others, I would offer a counter rebuttal from another expert doctor (which you can find) and that will help smash the prior nonsense which is typically fashioned by the training doctors get from the drug industry that forms their higher education.
I'm so incredibly sorry for your loss. Thank you for campaigning and raising awareness in your beautiful daughter's name ❤️
More importantly, does he still have a license to practice medicine? Because that would be alarming.
Him and 4 other doctors!!
Why wouldnt they
Sadly, Doctors never lose their license. They can get fired but they can still practice somewhere else. It’s a mafia.
Dr's in the uk commit manslaughter through medical negligence all the time. If they don't like you, you die. That's the uk code in the NHS these days
I could hold my tears back until mum's voice broke while saying her daughter asked her not to let her die. That's a very heavy burden to bear and unfortunately she will always feel that she could have done more even if she shouldn't. So sorry for the family!!! Hope they remain strong and find some comfort from each other!!
Yes, the mum will always struggle with that. So tragic. But she must realise she did everything she could do. It was the medical profession who failed her. She even took her to hospital twice! I always say the hospital failed my dear dad, I don't think they did the right thing for him when he passed. We did complain, but they fobbed us off. I don't trust all doctors for these reasons. Meningitis is easy to diagnose, this shouldn't have happened. So sad
This is horrible. What would it have hurt to just give her a blood test instead of just calling it a virus? They could have just done the test. She was so young.
So sorry 😞
She was a beautiful child.
Her parents should know this is not their fault.
I’m so sorry for your unbearable loss. My sister died from meningitis as well. Looking at your beautiful daughter is like looking at bright ray of sunshine. May her memory be a blessing 🙏.
Mia's parents deserve answers . Mia's case should get a full enquiry into the failings that led to mia's tragic death . Professionals should be held to account
We had a very similar experience with our at the time 8 year old daughter. She couldn’t walk, was delirious, high temps, in pain, vomiting eyes rolling in her heads…. It went on for 10 days, I took her to hospital a hand full of of times and every time was made to feel I was over reacting, I said to the doctor, what am I supposed to do when an 8 year old has lost the ability to use her legs, she also had a red rash on her legs. It turned out she had myositis, and it has now turned into a long term immune system response… saying everything is “just a virus” is ridiculous, especially when Covid was “just a virus” and we shut down the whole would out of apparent fear? Suddenly viruses are no problem?
Oh thats awful !! My 6 year old grandson had myosotis 10 days ago after being given tamiflu for Swine flu. He couldn't walk but it was apparently caused by the meds and not the virus. He seems fine again atm
It’s more of the fact that you can’t do anything for a virus usually but wait it out. You can’t treat a virus with antibiotics.
But, this is still a problem. It’s an overcorrection from the days we gave antibiotics for everything and the bacteria adapted and became resistant. We shouldn’t go back to that but anyone showing this many symptoms of a deadly bacterial infection should be treated with antibiotics. There’s got to be a middle ground between giving out antibiotics at every doctor visit vs never giving them unless something is proved bacterial ( takes a lot of time) and letting people die of treatable infections.
@@Marynicole830 But modern medicine has created antivirals which ought to be used in these cases.
@@maxalberts2003 as should vaccines
WHY not give antibiotics just in case? What an absolute tragic waste. I'm so sorry for this family. NHS is not working well overall. As a non-EU citizen, I'm guessing a big part of the problem is funding and best practice issues -- like not giving antibiotics automatically. The doctor that refused to be given antibiotics and arrogantly misdiagnosed the red spots should definitely be sued.
He will have professional indemnity (medical malpractice) insurance. Won't have a bright career and will have to live with his conscience. More to the point, is this the criminal offence of manslaughter - behaviour so reckless of the consequences that it caused her death. All the others should be held accountable according to degree of culpability.
Because giving out antibiotics willynilly has caused the surge in antibiotic resistant superbugs currently scything through the population.
It's because there aren't enough doctors.
@@Gooders478 she had a very high fever , extreme body aches , headache , dizziness , vomiting and couldnt walk , that is hardly "willynilly" .
smdh
@@AH--173 There was a doctor for this patient and a follow-up doctor's diagnosis - so that wasn't the case - doctors aren't put on a shelf to use as and when?
I had this when I was in college. It was awful. I have drop foot in both legs and some memory loss & incredibly lucky to be alive
A friend daughter had a horrific headache - they took her to hospital. It was dismissed. She went outside for air, said she didn’t feel well… and within minutes collapsed and died - she was 24yrs old
Edit:
It was later found to be and an Aneurysm… this was long before any vaccine
Im so sorry this is terribly heartbreaking to hear
I hope it wasn’t a side effect from the thing that can’t be named.
@@LilyGazouaneurysm? Or jab?
@@KCsBabies I’m very sorry for her loss🙂↕️
@@LilyGazou No it wasn’t 😒 aneurisms can happen very suddenly and quickly without a cause
My heart breaks for those poor parents
That boring virus killed her, there r too many people being sent home who later die from a missed or wrong diagnosis. I hope they sue the hospital
I hope they buy her a new life with the money that they win.
This should NEVER happen. How dare they write her symptoms off like that.
Has anyone tried to ring an ambulance lately? You can't get through?! I'm genuinely scared now. If your poor you are as good as done
Yeah I was told an ambulance would take up to 4 hours, it took 16 hours to come. I'm 73 and had a fractured hip. I did get seen pretty quick once I was in hospital xray, a ct scan, given pain relief. Was sent home in the evening with paracetamol lol. I had a superior public ramus fracture which takes about 6 to 8 weeks to heal. Also I had a fractured wrist.
Wow… I thought we had it bad in America… This might be worse
My son came down with bacterial meningitis when he was 9 and of course the doctors never diagnosed it as such, however, they did give him 2 different antibiotics IV in hospital and he pulled through. They also wanted to take him to surgery to cut a hole in his head to see what type of bacteria were there. I said NO. A previous doctor thought that it was just torticollis, wrong dx. I figured it all out years later. It is amazing what these doctors don't know and how they can endanger your life if you don't get lucky.
Those poor parents have suffered. My condolences to them. This should never have happened. RIP MIA
My bleeding blood vessels in my brain was referred to as blips by my doctor following a suspected TIA I later found out I have cerebral deceased. This was down to not having my diabetes controlled, I’d been begging my doctors to refer me to a diabetic clinic. It was refused because I wasn’t taking the maximum tablet dosage as was the guidelines from NHS. I paid to see a private endocrinologist who said I should have been on insulin 3 years prior. Doctors just don’t listen to patients anymore.
Wow. I am against private as a whole I think the nhs needs funding properly but honestly if people can afford private go for it. What happened to you and others is a joke.
You need to go private for a hashimoto’s diagnosis too even if you clearly test positive
I begged for antibiotics for my 8 year old now she has arthritis in her legs absolutely shocking the doctors just ignore anything you tell them.
I am so sorry, I grew up sickly.
I suffer from pain from 8 y.o. til now. I'm 54now
My granddaughter and grandson were both diagnosed with juvenile arthritis (JIA) at 2yrs old. For my granddaughter it started as what seemed like a virus, but after weeks of not improving and waking up hardly being able to walk, the family decided she needed to see a specialist. After different doctors and tests it was diagnosed by a pediatric rheumatoid arthritis doctor. If it’s (JIA) antibiotics are not the answer, but there are treatments that alleviate the symptoms.
She was a beauty so sorry for her families loss just heartbreaking
I was misdiagnosed in the warly 80s as having a tummy bug...5 days later I collapsed and then spent a month in hospital. I have been left with sensory processing problems, memory problems and I was in a wheelchair for a while afterwards 😢 it was the worst feeling, the poorliest I've ever felt in my life 😩
I’m 33 and not a medical professional but midway through her story I suspected meningitis. She had tall tail signs of the illness. Then they confirmed what I suspected.
I know medical professionals can make mistakes but if a basic non medical professional can come to this conclusion, how is it they didn’t?!
I’m so sorry for your loss. This is so traumatic and heartbreaking. If you can, please don’t stop speaking up. People need to be more aware. And while Drs here in the US can be dismissive, the Drs there seriously need to be far less dismissive.
I am a recently retired nurse of 43 years, the Drs calling literally everything a “ virus “ has become a lethal epidemic, my son almost died 4 months ago after being misdiagnosed in our local ER ( fortunately his NP was smarter than the ER Dr and did appropriate testing and literally saved his life, I went to the same ER in late April different Dr who didn’t know what was wrong with me and dismissed me, I was extremely fortunate to get an appointment with a specialist quickly ( never happens like that!) given an appropriate diagnosis, treatment started immediately as my organs were shutting down, it is terrifying to get sick, it’s like these medical Drs are too lazy to investigate and just dismiss literally everything as a “ virus “ next time they tell us that I’m going to ask what testing brought that conclusion 😡
I hope to God they sue the hospital. It is clearly manslaughter, please find the energy to pursue this claim. Please accept my condolences.
I believe you are right. Especially the doctor who later insisted on refusal to deliver antibiotics - his behaviour seems clearly to have been thoroughly reckless about its consequences.
I’m pretty certain they are, I went to primary school with Mia and from what I’ve heard they’re very likely to win against frimley park hospital, my mate went in to hospital not long after Mia’s death and it took him 5 days to be tested for meningitis, only reason they did was due to his brother being a doctor himself
Then the NHS have even less money and staff,increase the chances of it happening more
They should sue the hospital, I did and got a substantial settlement, I never got an apology, which was what I initially wanted. My solicitor said I shouldn’t feel guilty for suing as they have millions of £s put aside for this. It will never bring a loved one back. But the money is necessary for making the health service pay for there mistakes. Only money can do this.
My Daughter had this when she was only 3 months old. She's now 41 years old.
What were her symptoms? I have an infant and what to learn about the signs just in case.
@@twngrl1625 you and she are very very lucky!
I think you might be thinking of GBS meningitis in babies. This is specific to babies- Its group B strep. This person had group B Neisseria meningitidis, or meningococcal meningitis. Very different bug. Glad your daughter is doing well!
i am 68 yrs of age back in 1973 i was suffering with what i and my family thought was asian flu which was raging at the time it got worse and i went to my gp while i was in the waiting room i collapsed after being checked over my doctor phoned my parents and told them he wanted them to take me to the hospital immediately he didn`t even want to wait for an ambulance to arrive. on arrival at the hospital i was seen to right away thanks to the speedy action of my gp i believe my life was saved. but in this young ladies case the opposite has happened its a disgrace,.on top of the sorrow, these parents are rightly outraged and deserve to have their case to be heard and those responsible to be held to account
I had Meningitis a long time ago. It was horrible. I’m so thankful my Dr listened to me. She noticed how I couldn’t move my head (I never said I thought I had Meningitis) I struggled to describe it. I was in my late 30’s, a Mother. She immediately sent me downstairs to the ER for a Spinal Tap. I was so sick. I went through Physical Therapy in my recovery. I can’t even imagine what that precious young lady went through 😢 My heart breaks as a Parent. The Doctor that disregarded her should lose their licenses. My deepest condolences to this family
This is heartbreaking.... Praying for her parents, family and friends.
This is so, so horrific. I am so very sorry for her family. I have one living daughter, have lost my adult son three years ago to a questionable accident. All I can say is that you should pursue any and all legal recourse against the medical staff who failed to treat your precious child appropriately. Prayers for your entire family.
I almost lost my daughter about 15yrs ago to meningitis. I owe her life to the hospital as she didn't have all the symptoms but the ER pediatric Dr. She had a gut feeling and we decided to do a spinal tap and she saved my daughter's life. I will be forever grateful, she was only about 8yrs old.
Side note....no parent should have to hold their child still for a spinal tap, it's heartbreaking. I don't know how parents of children with cancer do it. 😢
My heart goes out to these parents. I'm so sorry you lost your beautiful daughter to such a preventable death. ❤ A fellow bereaved mother.
My brother had meningitis at 10, I remember like it was yesterday. The hospital misdiagnosed him and sent him home, two days later we went to our grandparents house and he got sick again, they took him to hospital in the town and h was in ICU for 2 weeks
Justice for this family! 🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️
As an American, I can tell you I've never heard of "the glass test"! I was vigilant about my children's health and if I ever had any questions I felt welcome to call. No medical professional ever mentioned this and I'm pretty sure I don't personally know any other parent who've heard this.
Same, I don’t think we use it in the US
It was absolutely drilled into us when my daughter was a baby 20+ years ago. Always on TV, posters in pharmacies, GPs etc. It's a very simple way for non medical ppl to test. My own daughter was admitted as a baby with suspected meningitis because of the rash. It wasn't very wide spread, a few on her legs and she was grisly but not noticeably "sick." We called the GP because of the few non blanching spots and she said hospital immediately. They took her from us the moment we arrived, paediatrician came down, she had a lumbar puncture, (very unpleasant,) and given IV antibiotics despite meningitis testing negative. I feel terrible for these parents. I feel had she been a baby they may have been focused on the possibility of meningitis. Tragic.
I had viral meningitis that went into viral encephalitis, survived with a hole in my brain but survived, I see this and feel immensely lucky and I'm now working with the NHS to teach Advanced Clinical Practitioners. Your story will save lives.
I told my Dr that I'm only 29 and I'm feeling weak and tired all the time. I'm falling asleep while driving... I was a natural body builder (no additional "help" other than vitamins and protein) and weighed 235 at 7% bodyfat. The Dr said nothing was wrong...
Eventually, I was suffering from erectile dysfunction, low testosterone, and weight gain. I was passing out all the time... this continued until I was 35. At 35, I was diagnosed with uncontrolled diabetes by an endocrinologist.
I asked my Dr why she never caught diabetes even after knowing all my symptoms. She said that testosterone isn't really that important because women live perfect lives with lower T than men... but I'm an effing man. I didn't know I could sue. Eventually, I found out she was fired, and her license was revoked.
This is so tragic. I feel for this family. 😓
Unfortunately says it all about NHS, needs a complete overhaul as not effective and NOT fit for purpose in its current structure
Underfunded & full of docs trained in bad universities
This was medical incompetence. There were multiple tests they could have run to check to know if it was viral versus bacterial. The GPs should have come before an ethics board.
No they're protected at all costs..I mean they're Doctors after all. Sickening.
She was such a beautiful young woman. It's so sad to hear this.
In the US, my grandkid's Er Dr wanted to do spinal tap. He thought kid had meningitis even WITHOUT neck pain. I had no prob w/ test but distrusted my hospital's Drs from past experience & began planning how to get kid ambulanced to another city. Dr noticed & questioned me; I told him my fears/plans. He said he was a visiting Dr from a teaching hosp. back east who TAUGHT Drs how to do taps & had done hundreds himself. I've never felt so reassured for this previously abused kid that I was positively paranoid for. Turned out kid had it & recovered completely. I still ask all God's blessings on that man every time I think of him, almost 20yrs later.
Mine had a spinal tap and she wasn't even really "sick." Just grisly with a few non blanching spots. She was a few months old. Had the lumbar puncture and got a negative for meningitis but still given IV antibiotics. Speed is of the essence in these cases.
Having been under the NHS since birth (:1988) I’ve definitely noticed a huge shift in the level of care patients receive. Back then the common response was to ‘over- react’ but now it’s swung dangerously the other way with doctors ‘under-reacting’……..and I’d like to know why!
Is this all due to a lack of funding?
Are staff being quietly encouraged to limit the care provided to patients in order to lower treatment costs? Because there’s no good reason why so many people failed to diagnose it was meningitis.
Personally, I’ve noticed how it’s harder to access specific treatment now, even the ones recommended by a physician.
Whatever the root cause, cases like this have to stop.
"Is this all due to a lack of funding? "
What lack of funding? Its annual budget is £170 BILLION.
It’s also the growth in population too.
@jimmoynahan9910
Only a few billion short of what it actually costs to run the NHS effectively
@jennychurchill2716
Exactly, that’s so true. Thank you for adding that.
Yet so often mentioning the phrase ‘over population’ triggers a barrage of hate!
@MoonlightForest - Yes. Due to them, NHS, stating they are worried about antibiotic resistance, they refuse to give antibiotics, claiming they can find nothing wrong with you. My 82 year old dad had a UTI, he was told by his GP to go to A&E as he had a UTI. A&E said he had nothing wrong with him, and didn't give him any medication. They gave no guidance and just left it at that - nothing wrong So, we had to home-treat.
I had a severe infection that I knew I needed strong antibiotics for, yet I was also told I had nothing wrong with me. I had to contact a previous medical department in a different county, to ask what I had before. I then had to contact my GP and request them to write me a prescription for the antibiotics I desperately needed. It is absolutely shameful how they are blatantly REFUSING to give antibiotics. Also especially when it is a known fact the elderly d*e from UTIs every day.
This is deeply saddening and tragic .What a beautiful young life STOLEN for no reason but incompetence is incomprehensible 🥀
This exact situation happened to my young niece and she also was sent home a couple times ,her mom being adamant something else was going on kept pushing the hospital for more help and she was saved because of her moms persistence but had to have a HEART transplant at 12 years of age (this meningitis attacked her heart )to save her life and is living today a cautious but full life ! Never give up parents even if you have to get second and third opinions 💐
I was told by a GP directly that they deal in percentages and the chance that its something serious is small but in cases like this it costs lives
I hear those stories all the time. One of my daughter was very ill as a toddler. I took her to our local clinic and they said she had a virus. We went home she got worse. Not keeping anything down, fever, lethargic. This went on for a couple days. My gut said this is not a virus. I drove to a nearby town and went to the ER. She had double ear infections and pneumonia. They said it was good that i brought her in. Another time they kept sending me home saying it was a virus. They said you can get better and catch another virus right away. I finally had enough and said look at her. We went to the hospital that time.
i know someone that was given antibiotics for covid, yet when someone does need them, they get denied
Heart. Breaking. Another symptom of a broken health system
Heartbreaking !!!!!! I had viral menegitis. It was awful. I was at the ED check in and was told " a headache isnt an emergency".
This is just so tragic.
It is sooo heartbreakingly sad! 😢😢
I’m personally utterly disappointed with doctors in hospital’s’ emergency rooms and medical care in general!
I once not only have been completely ignored in emergency for over 3 hours without any intervention for heart pain and extremely high blood pressure, but physically abused. Being placed in a very noisy corridor with a lot of traffic, endless loud speaker broadcasts and visitors calls and loud talks around me, I couldn’t bear any more headache and decided to go home. When I got up and tried to visit the bathroom, a nurse called security, and 4 men broke into the locked washroom when I still was in a vulnerable position, pulled me out by my all four extremities and then pinned me against the wall injuring my face! There were NO arguments or any aggressive actions on my side prior to that, except that I told a nurse that all the noice was becoming too unbearable to me to handle my headache, and I wanted to go home to stay in quite.
Apparently, they minded me using a washroom in the hospital when I decided to leave; such was the security’s explanation to police that I called for after the incident. Nine months later I am still remembering this horror with chilling shivers and a lamp in my throat, not to mention months long consequences of ptsd trauma. To me the image of an emergency is now associated with a jail’s torture chamber! And as I remember this, tears of the experienced humiliation become involuntary! This happened at the North York General Hospital of Toronto, Canada. I feel that they need to be “famous” for the whole international medical community!
So sad. 2 of my kids have had this but my teen and pre teen have not I’m going to book them to get this in memory of your daughter. Thankyou
That health system needs sueing for their incompetence.
So tragic. Mum please don’t feel guilty, you were not at fault. Something similar happened with my dad x
@@ShellsSpace_MyEndobattle And to my parents 😔
Im so upset my son wants to become a doctor i dont respect them. If they have a hate on you because you advocate for yourself they will literally compromise your life because of huge egos
Do you think your son would be able to be a good competent doctor? Because we sure need those, we cannot be without doctors
I am so disgusted with the doctor's not giving antibiotics. I nearly died a few years ago after a dog bite. I rescue dogs and one of my rescues bit me, not because he wanted to hurt me, but it was a fight with another dog over food. I stepped in to stop it and got my hand bit pretty hard. That night my hand hurt so bad, I decided to go to the ER. The ER doctor gave me Cipro IV and sent me home. It got way worse. I went to my regular doctor and begged him to give me doxycycline and he refused, said cipro is the one to use. I happened to have 6 doxycycline capsules left from one of my rescue dogs that had Lymes Disease and passed away from it. So I took all 6 of them in a glass of water and the next morning my hand and arm up to my shoulder was back to normal. The huge swelling was so bad that I would have lost my arm or life without the antibiotic. Thank God I saved that little dog, because she saved me in the end with the doxycycline.
Sue the hospital, Drs, everyone. That's what we do in US!!!!!
I am getting ever increasingly worried about the NHS, many people are getting very poor treatment and many are scared that they're only seen as a number and there's a decent chance they may not come out of these hospitals alive.
How sad what a shame, why would the doctor's want to take the risk you hear about this more and more they need to be more vigilant 19 year olds can get serious sick. Should be more punishments for this going forward.
Heartbreaking 😢 sorry for your loss 😢
I am so sorry for this family, losing their precious daughter. Thank you to them for not letting her tragedy be in vain. I truly believe their work alongside this Doctor is going to save lives all around the world! I paid close attention to these warning signs that give never heard described before except the stiff neck and headache. The only two I knew about and I am 61 years old! God bless this outreach program by these lovely parents. Much love to you from America.❤️
Your daughter has saved many lives, thank you for sharing
I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing/teaching others. Much love to you both. ❤❤
As a nurse, I am appalled! That 2nd trip is the absolute tall tale signs of meningitis. I'm sorry for your loss. Your daughter is absolutely beautiful! What a tragedy.
My deep condolences and prayers for you.
My heart absolutely breaks for this couple ! I don’t know how it’s done in the UK but here in the USA … BIG lawsuit. BUT all the money in the world doesn’t replace their child back ! Many prayers for this family
😢 so sad she couldn't be saved
My sincerest sympathy. Its bad to loose a child this way. Stay strong!!
As a medical doctor, I think the first consultation could have missed some things but was not seriously problematic. However, the second one where the patient was clearly seriously ill, involved a lot of incompetence. It should be clarified that meningitis can be caused by both bacteria and viruses. What's important is the the history and physical examination. Anyone with a combination of fever, headache and neck stiffness should be considered to have meningitis. Since it is difficult to distinguish viral and bacterial causes of meningitis, it is prudent to give antibiotics first (in case it's bacterial) and just discontinue it if workups reveal a viral cause, e.g. HSV1 or HSV2.
My daughter passed away 3 years ago i was gutted
I'm so sorry for your loss Susan, won't allow myself to even go there. Horrendous, I wish you some peace somehow
@@susanmay4968 I’m very sorry for your loss.
50 YEARS AGO, a friend of mine was taken to the hospital BY HER PARENTS for an EXCRUCIATING HEADACHE AND FEVER. . THEY SENT HER HOME. She died the next day from MENINGITIS.
So tragic - she was so beautiful
I’m so saddened for this family. God Bless
Sometimes our best efforts fail. These parents are to be commended for bringing the spotlight to this oversight that caused this precious child to lose her life. My heart goes out to them.
I'm so sorry for the parents loss. Thx for sharing your story I'm sure it's hard but perhaps it will help someone else.
I scheduled an appt for my son to receive the Meningitis vaccine. His doc make it seem like Meningitis isnt something thats still around or for us to worry. If thats the case, why are we seeing commercials for the vaccine all the time? We made the right choice because a year later, many students in his dorm contracted it.
I chose not to get the vaccine while in college, but it’s not a bad idea to get it since meningitis seems to impact children and college kids more often. As far as the commercials… This is an industry, a business, so a corporation directly advertising its vaccine to consumers doesn’t automatically make it safe, effective, or medically necessary.
It was mostly eliminated in the west but comes back when people travel from other countries
What a stunning young lady....heartbreaking...
I heard that docotrs in the US get influrenced or feel limited by insurance rules
We are all at the mercy of total incompetence every time we enter a hospital......aka medical professionals.
My heart aches for this couple. Theres NOTHING that will bring her back. All the doctors involved should have license taken away and possibly sued. Most doctors today are so arrogant and uncaring. That's why I avoid going to them.
Doctors have such egos. Medical malpractice should equal prison!
My Daughter fell n broke her teeth, took her to Dentist when she was just 8 years , Dr said is nothing, at age 20 all her teeth is coming out of her mouth, took her to the same Smile Dentist he said she has a perfect, took her to an other Dentist, my Daughter has a baby tooth in her lower teeth n that is what causeing her teeth , both front n lower teeth all out. X Ray is $300 , uprooting n wearing of Braches is USD 40000 ( FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS. her case is so bad. I need this money to fix it. 14 years wasted n now the effect n cost. Dr are not GOD
PRAY AS WELL
Knowning that it was treatable in just a couple of hours prior is devastating! Absolutely devastating! Losing a child like this in modern society in 21st century is mind blowing! I'm so sorry...💔
I had encephalitis, which is basically the twin to this in my case I think I was eight years old. I remember going to the doctor with my mother and the doctor saying I just didn’t want to go to school. I’ll never forget that my mother was sick. I don’t remember anything else until my father walking into the room and I can remember yelling at him to stop walking because he was causing me pain. I was in pain from my head, and I don’t remember anything else until I woke up in the hospital. What happened after that? I wasn’t responsive after getting nowhere with the doctor my parents put me in the car and drove me three hours to see my old pediatrician I think I was there for like two or three weeks. I can actually remember going to school there when I got better and I can remember the very long drive back home because I was sick on the way back home but I for sure would it died if they had not gotten to the hospital😊
So sorry for your loss. Rest in Peace Mia
Doctors need to listen to parents they know better ....so shocking ❤
This happens much too often. Doctors don’t want to listen they think they know it all
Dr Amir is man of intrgrity