Drop Shot Nymphing with Kelly Galloup
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2016
- This is a follow up to one of our more popular RUclips videos, "Basic Nymphing and Drop Shot Systems," that we did a few years ago. Because of the myriad of questions that we've received since it was published, Kelly wanted to do another video that focused purely on the drop shot system of nymph fishing. In this video, Kelly describes how to rig your flies using a drop shot system and why he feels it is a superior technique to standard two fly rigs.
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Great system, Never hardly snag up, rarely tangled up casting on big water in the wind, and best of all landed two big rainbow trout on the heavily fished south fork of the boise River last week!I practiced the system in town last winter to get familiar. There is tons of logic to this system, love using, and tying non weighted flies, the drop shot is awesome almost snagless and put the flies in the zone. Thanks for the great informative videos!
Thanks, Kelly. Very informative with great style. Keep em coming
I am always pleased with the quality of questions you get on your channel and the answers always seem to be even better than the questions.....it is a fantastic resource for someone like me and very much appreciated!
I stumbled upon your videos while watching tying tutorials and have been hooked since. Great content and demonstrations! THANK YOU
This rig is incredible! Completely changed the world of nymphing for me, couldn’t catch anything on a nymph until I used this rig, awesome videos! Keep em comin!
How heavy is the weights?
Excellent explanation on your reasoning behind rigging drops for nymphing, with sizes & positioning of flies. It all makes sense to this old PA fly fisherman. New sub here for y’all👍🇺🇸
Awesome video Kelly. Great info
Really enjoyed this video! A fishing buddy of mine started using this rig setup and he loves it. He also said that because of the weight being at the far end it is easier to cast. You don't get that helicopter spin like you do when the split shot is in the middle and sometimes when using a strike indicator as well.
Geez, learned more in the last 7 min, than the last 7 years...Awesome Kelly, great skit-
Hi from France, and thanks for this idea of drop shot nymphing. It's not allowed everywhere, but when it is, it's an awesome complement to what you guys call french nymphing. All the best!
Thanks a lot,Kelly!I didn't lose a single fly with this system.And it is so efficient.
This is amazing! All the guides in any shop I've ever been say that unless you're losing flies all the time you're not fishing well, but that makes no sense; I waste more fishing time on snags, breaking off, and tying on new flies than probably anything else.
Kelly, you truly are a master of the sport!! I've learned so much from you about fly fishing and Brian from mad river here in Ohio. You two have definitely made me a better fisherman. I love your nymphing techniques much better than ureo, thank you
Kelley, great vid! I'm an Etexas crappie fisherman. Good basics cross over to other types of fishing, and really like your idea for the Perfection Knot. You built a better mouse trap. Sometimes the most basic idea is the best solution. Thanks.
I've been using this system for a few months and I catch way more fish and lose way less flies! You are a GOD Kelly Galloup! Thank you
I'm just starting fly fishing this year and this just made sense. Thanks for all the explanation
Thanks Moy, glad it helped out. Kelly
It seems to me this rig may be much easier to sense the strike than the traditional arrangement since the indicator is mostly under tension from the drop shot. Making the take easier to detect will be a massive help to beginner anglers and also to the elderly who are not as sensitive to the strike. Great stuff!
tried this method yesterday and it was AWESOME! Lost 1 piece of lead and no flies. numerous hits and fish in the net thanks to you!
This is awesome..It never even occurred to me to tie flies above the weight..Duh...Techniques and strategies is part of the love for fly fishing...Thanks
Just found this site, what a great resource! You've got kind of a real life Tim Allen thing going here, combined with a lifetime of knowledge and experience that you're willing to share. The last two nights watching your videos I've realized just how lazy I've been for the last 10 or 15 years...it's basically been "hopper season" for me from May through October here in s. Utah, with a little primitive (I've learned here) nymphing for whiteys late in the Fall until the guides start to freeze up. How I hate that gravelly sound... Anyway, I've subbed, thanks.
Great video. Thanks Kelly
It is one of my dreams to meet you one day! LEGEND!!!!
Cheers and tight lines, Raph
Great video Kelly well explained.
Great video with interesting ideas. Ive never thought of putting my wet fly dropper on a loop. However, Ive long used a dry fly on a dropper as an indicator but never seen this idea presented elsewhere. Most put it "in line" or on the tag of a join with all the disadvantages you demonstrate.
i like your theory-you make good sense to me-thank you-great presentation
Thanks! Great info. I'm going to go home and tie my leader this way. I learned a lot!
Another video with great info, thank you. Might want to mention that the "inline" set up that you show is not legal in some states. Of course the individual fisherman is responsible for knowing and adhering to the regs of their local waters. Thanks again
Cool!😉
Very Nice & Informative video...Those Nimphyng Tecniques Looks promising
Thanks for Share...!
Great video thanks Kelley
Great information in this video.
This has increased my catch rate enormously. If you like me, I'm 60, have difficulty seeing the fine tippet material to tie these, I tie my drop shots on ahead of time to the fly, and then put each into a small ziplock bag, works great, you then just tie on the fly and are good to go!
Great video.
I love to see that kelly actually calls it a drop shot!! I'm tired of hearing people call it a bounce rig.
Connecting the dropper with a loop is an interesting idea. The ability to adjust the depth of the dropper is game changing. Definitely going to try it! I'm curious about the potential for the loop to slide up and down the tippet while casting, or while fighting a fish. Also, I wonder if the loop cinching down on the tippet is more prone to breakage than tying a dropper off of a tag end.
This information is priceless.
Thanks Kelly, I took your drop shot advice and it works, surprise , surprise your videos have saved me hours of trial and error. Keep it up.
Thanks David, glad it helped
You’re a legend, thank you!
So informative!
Thank you, Kelly! Super clear…..
Very informative video. It almost makes me question why I no longer fly fish (big rivers.)
I just want to confirm how well this system works. I've learned to euronymph but often used weight above the bottom fly. Now I use this system, weight on the bottom, with two perfection
loop droppers and BAM! this is deadly. I fish in New England, on some tailwater, and some natural freestones. No matter where, this technique maximizes my fish landed and minimizes equipment lost. I typically tightline and use 5x throughout the rig right up to my bicolor sighter. THANK YOU KELLY!
Robert Olmstead similar for me on the euro rig. I’m debating about completely changing style however I’m concerned about losing the ability to fish super fast water. Have u noticed Any downfalls to dropshotting vs euro? Also do use indicator or sighter?
Robert Olmstead are you loop tags 5x also? What rod length/wt/line type do you prefer? This is going to change things for me on nymphing.
@@wesleywillard Yes. I use 4# fluoro (PLine Halo) for both the perfection loop dropper tags and the drop shot main leader. I've a 10ft rod with 25 ft of 15# yellow amnesia above a bicolor sighter. It's very simple.
@@tannerfurbee5227 I use a sighter. The drop shot is good for superfast water as well as moderate. No downfalls. Positives are less lost flies and simple changes of droppers and the levels of the droppers on the main leader. I use fluoro throughout (4# PLine Halo) even down to #20 flies.
I can’t believe I didn’t figure out using perfection loops to add dropper tags. this is going to save me oodles of time on the stream. I just tried it at home and wow man.
I haven't lost a fly yet after two months with drop shot, and my flies spend more time in the water instead of snagging up. Completely sold!
Clever setup!
Very intriguing. Will give it a "shot" soon.
Haha
Your videos are the Best ! I wish you would do more fishing vids because my eyes are way too gone to tie flies.Anyways my question is this . I learned your drop shot method couple years ago and it has Absolutely revolutionized fishing for me.Now trying to get into euro setups.Can you use a euro shorty with sighter and all But run below the tippet ring your drop shot method? Weight on the bottom because as I learned from you non weighted flies are Better.?
Thanks for any help.
Thanks Kelly!!
Kelly another great video I'm glad I watched the whole thing because I was going to ask if you could just use one or two tippet rings instead of the blood knot or perfection loop. All of this makes perfect sense and having the the fish mount and rocks helps visualize what's going on with this rig. Now I realize why you don't weight your flies and in this type of setup it would definitely be counterproductive plus I agree that unweighted flies act more natural in the current than weighted flies. One question I do have is what size indicator do you use and is it based on the weight of the rig or the type and speed of the current or both? Some of these indicators are bigger than the ones we used to use for fishing for bass with minnows! I always fished tight line high sticking and this just looked weird to me but so many people have switched and are having success that I guess it does work but the older you get the more reluctant sometimes! Thanks again I will definitely give a try.
Awesome video,have 1 question,bought a furled leader 7' 6" dry fly with a attached tippet ring can it be used for drop shot nymphing & can a tippet ring be used instead of blood knot ?
Great video Kelly. So your dropper loops are just a 4”-6” piece of tippet with a perfection loop in at one end that you wrap around your main tippet bringing the tag in through the perfection loop and snugging down? Then tying a knot (is it a standard overhand knot?) below this dropper loop to stop it sliding down into your point fly? To be honest I was using the top tag, pointing back towards my rod and tying in a half hitch above the surgeons knot but as you say with snags or tangles or just standard fly change outs this soon gets chopped down to the point where the entire tippet needs to be changed out. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos soon pal
Also forgot to add that when my buddy uses this rig he ties a little knot below the split shot to keep it from sliding off. Then he ties an overhand knot above it so in case he does get snagged on the split shot he only loses that instead of the whole rig.
A belated thank you for a great video. Now, a request: could you go over the advantages/disadvantages of using a bobber vs. tight lining with a drop shot system? Again, thank you for an idea that has changed the way I nymph.
Thanks Alex, I will see if I can work it into the filming schedule. thanks for watching
@@TheSlideinn Even if you don't have time to film, it would be great if you could go over your ideas about using/not using a bobber with a drop shot rig here. It is a question that lots of us must have.
Thank you so much!!!!!
Almost always ran into difficulties at some point when using my tag as my dropper line, whether it be wind direction change mid cast, bad bast or the fishing Gods toying with me even after adding a half hitch to get that 90’ stand off angle it just ended in a tangled mess at some point. Just the way I was shown I guess but that perfection look doubled over the tippet and above the surgeons knot is a cracking idea, my dropper line was always too long from what your advising too. Thanks for the tip and for the in-line advice for the larger flies
That was great. Johnny don’t let him talk to you like that stand up for yourself. You’re a better fishing person than him anyway. Stay safe have fun.
Is the inline rig for the #12 or bigger just the tag of the clinch knot holding the split shot?
Kelly is AWESOME I love drop shotting w small streamers
Woulda been great rig on the Little Manistee, but like you mention in the other video, some places don’t allow weight below the fly.
So you is the inline done with two clinch knots in the eye or is the fly slid on and stopped with something like a figure 8 knot?
Hey Kelly .love your stuff. I use a surgerons loop dropper for my drop shot lead . Just put it over the main and let it slide down and stop on the bottom fly...Thoughts??
HI Kelly, Thanks for the great videos. The detail is amazing! Quick question though; if you had to fish with a single fly due to local regulations would you place your single fly in the location of the top fly in the video or the bottom fly?
Bottom fly for sure,
Attach a 4 inch dropper 9inches from the bottom splitshots .
This will keep the fly 6-12 inches from the bottom which is the strike one for trout
Wow, great video. This stuff is great to know and I can't wait to try it out. One question I have is how is the tippet tied onto the bottom fly in order for it to leave line for the split shot? In other words, is it just a simple clinch knot on bend of the hook?
Will I go with both the tippet line and the split shot line out of the eye, thanks for watching. KG
Thank you
Kelly, have you ever had an issue with your perfection loop loosing, either with or without a fish on, and getting around your blood knot?
I feel this is a superior system in deeper water maybe knee or greater depth but not really needed in shallower water.
On my side of Atlantic, we became overly conscious about adding weight to our flies a decade ago. Top anglers, in competitions were using Czech methods and weight, going back longer. It went into mainstream here, about a decade ago. The pendulum swung too far, it generally does. On certain rivers now, Czech methods make no sense at all. On other rivers, it does. There are hungry rivers with the hard bottoms, and torrent waters suitable for Czech, Polish French, Spanish etc. With hydro-electric power generation in Europe, it altered how a lot of rivers behave. The fish behaviors became built around run-off periods from hydro dams. Trout did start to care less about dry fly. Rivers became too enriched too, and that added to it. We ended up with smaller populations of larger sized trout, on many rivers. The hydro-electric schemes altered the feeding behaviors of trout.
Kelly. I’m looking for high quality calf belly hair. Any suggestions?
How do you match the beads to the hooks to hooks sizes
Hi, Kelly. I know this is was posted a long time ago but hope you still see this.
Two questions:
1. I've just learned to use this rig during a recent visit to Montana fishing the Beaverhead and Big Hole. We were using 5X mono tippet on both the leader and dropper loops. Do you have any opinion on fluoro vs. mono for this?
2. Twisting - what is your opinion on incorporating a micro-swivel to attach the rig to a short leader to eliminate this?
Thanks, Brother!
How far above the lead split shot is the nymph tied ? 6” , 8” , 12” ?
"I have a cold that would kill Johnny"...13:00 hahaaha
To me it seems that the dropper line, next to being just 4", also is quite stiff, looking at the size of the fly. What leader material and diameter do you use for that? Normally when I tight line I use a thin fluoro to go through the water column faster, but the dropper is very limp and still gets tangled sometimes.
How high above the top fly should your indicator be?
Great video and new subscriber here! Two quick questions...what is the approximate total length of the rig from end of the fly line to split shot at the bottom? Can you use floating mono or fluorocarbon in place of tippet for the initial butt section? Thanks
James , I use anywhere from 10 to 12 foot total, for sure you can use whatever you like for the Butt just keep it light as you can. Thanks for watching. Kelly
This is fantastic, and I have tried it. It is totally flexible etc..I did get a lot of tangles using this. My question is: What if your tippet is say...4X? Do you use 4X for your perfection loops?
Same question. I've not tried this yet but I would imagine you would need to go heavier to keep it standing out.
Have you figured it out? I would also like to know what he normally ties this in.
Ross, I don't go heavier. The perfection loop doubles the line up at the base so I don't have to much problem with it
Thanks for taking the time to answer questions. This method is much better than the standard. I managed to find a diagram on a forum that was credited to you and that showed the details of diameters and lengths. I found it pretty much tangle free when I tried it last night but I needed a better indicator. The yarn that I usually use was not good enough to float all the weight.
I'd drop shot year ago with bait and found it superior for not getting snagged but I'd never done it fly fishing. Things we learn as kids when worming can easily be carried over if we don't get into this mental block of fly vs. gear fishing. Thanks again guys. Great videos.
13:30 he says "just slide it up and put a knot below it." What does he mean by "put a knot below it"? I understand that the purpose is to keep the loop from moving, but how do you put a knot below your loop? And what kind of knot? The blood knot ties together two different pieces of line, and so that can't be what he means. But neither can he mean that we should just the tippet in a knot below the loop because that would break the line. I don't understand.
Update: A few months ago you answered my question writing: ESS, I use a blood knot but in reality because the fish is not pulling on that knot you can use a double overhand/granny knot as it is simply a stopper. Thanks, Kelly
Two followup questions: 1. A blood knot ties together two separate pieces of line. I don't understand how you put a blood knot into one piece of line. 2. I'm sure I'll use the granny knot, and I understand that if the fish eats the top fly on the loop, it will not put pressure on that granny knot. But if the fish eats the bottom fly that would potentially break the line at that granny knot because the fish would be putting pressure on that granny knot.
Clearly I'm missing something, but I don't know what!
LOVELY!!!! SWEET!!! INTERESTING!!!!NICE
This is revolutionary! Excellent!
But I’m particularly interested in your sliding dropper loop. But I could not see clearly how you attach it to your mainline. Can you direct me to the details of that connection?
I'd also like to know this. The connection for the upper (lighter) fly is explained, but I don't think the lower one is. Great videos all.
Great tag line method. I’ve tried a few and this is the easiest. I also tried to find formula on your website, but couldn’t find it. Curious what size line you are using for the tag line in this video as it stands out at 90 degrees to blood knot so must be 3x plus? And what size tippet between first and second blood knot? 5x? Thanks for putting out great information.
Same question here.. I picked up some 2x in hopes that it’d do the trick
Jeli i use 4x most of the time on my tags and even 5x on a rare occasion. thanks, KG
I think of it like those fighter pilots, like in the movie 'Top Gun'. They 'lock on' to a target, and the migratory species can get annoyed if the fly does a Maverick 'fly boy' trick at the wrong time and they miss. Large migratory species, have to conserve their energy. They're like heavy weight boxers. They can't risk swimming to a bait, unless they have it locked on. We tried almost everything here, for the migratory species - double hooks, dressed treble hooks, copper and aluminium tubes. It was all the fashion for a decade or two. In Scandanavia now though, they're taking the weight off the fly again, and using fly lines to fish at the different depths, and different speeds. I think, that that is largely the right way to approach it, if one can.
Thanks, Kelly. Get well - we are looking forward to seeing your Alaska clinics and presentation. How do you think this rig (with a single hook) would work for red salmon?
+Jolynne Howard There are videos I've watched of the Ohio steelhead rivers, where they use the high stick techniques to catch steelhead coming up from the great lakes, or returning to them. I believe, they fish for these in both springtime and autumn. However, to compensate for the much faster flows and gorges, where the steelhead like to sit, they use quite large pieces of lead. They sometimes hold the lead balls in their palms, and 'thrown' em out. With a team of two or three different steelhead patterns off droppers.
+Brian O' Hanlon I have to confess, that this technique when I watched them using it, was a thing that I found strange. But it did work. To counter Kelly's assertion that in Europe, we can't use split shot in our fly fishing, one a lot of streams and rivers, the worm bait on hook technique is used. Live worms on hooks, and it is fished very like high stick technique, sort of actively drifting the bait with rod held high to follow current. The Ohio steel head fishers, use egg flies and worm flies, which are fluorescent artificial imitations of live baits. Steelhead grab them, when high sticked through a deep, fast current seam.
+Brian O' Hanlon I know that they do use these patterns, when fishing for red salmon in northern pacific parts, so there's no reason why the high stick system shouldn't work, same as does for steel head. The Ohio steelhead fishers, use both an indicator and several split shot on end of their leaders, with flies above the split shot at different depths. But a lot of them fish, with the indicator out of the water completely - it's not sitting on the surface. That is, indicator is there sort of as a depth guide, in mid air, not quite like in nymphing technique.
What weight does, is it slows down speed at which a fly moves. There are some situations, in which a fisherman can use that. Fish sometimes, love a slow moving bait, as opposed to a fast moving one. I learned that, doing a lot of 'static' fishing. I would categorize this thing of adding weight to the hook, as something to do with the retrieve. Kelly has got a video about retrieve types - vertical up down, or side to side etc. Using lines and rigs, one can achieve specific depths and speeds. If one wants to deaden the movement of the fly further, knock even more edge off of it's jigginess, when adding weight to the hook, is a way to achieve that. But that has to be the objective. One shouldn't add weight, just to get a fly 'down'. That is the mis-comprehension about flies and addition of weight.
+Brian O' Hanlon To reinforce point here, about thickness of wire, used to forge a hook. Look at the classic 'static' type of fly fishing of all, which is the attempt to imitate buzzers that hatch out in lakes. Here, one always notices in the patterns, that a thick gauge of wire is used on the hooks, and the dressing on that thick gauge of wire, is sparse. That is how one achieves a more static behavior of the fly, in the water. Really, what they're doing with buzzer fishing, is adding weight to the hook, in a subtle but significant way. One will always find this, where static fishing is concerned. Where lack of movement is the trigger for the fish to take, instead of movement being the trigger. Certain fish, in circumstances, won't touch a fly if it moves too much.
One thing I'd specify about midge pupae emerger buzzer static fishing, in lakes is that it is a surface technique. The ethafoam ball or whatever, is suspending the fly in the surface film, where the patrolling fish might find it. The extra heavy weight of the thick forged hook, adds a little extra ballast, just enough to counteract the jigginess of the pattern, when using materials like ethafoam etc which float and bounce around too much. It's the same with Czech style patterns. There, there is a lot of floatation material, wrapped around the hook, to add bulk to the pattern, which is essential to trigger the takes. To counteract that floatation bulk, that is on Czech patterns, they add weight to cancel out the patterns natural floatation tendency.
Thanks tons, gotta love it--those bass gear heroes know their shit, haha. With this system, I'll start fishing more nymphs no doubt instead of losing them in the rocks, lol.
Kelly what fly tying manual do you recommend?
Great video ,thanks.Do you ever use beadheads or weighted flys?
Not with this system. No real advantage other than attractor since the weight(s) sit below the flies. The fly's need to move downstream above the weight. Tight lines.
How and what size split shot on bottom of drop shot.
This is stupid smart! Why didn’t i think of this? Can’t wait to fish it with chicken liver and sweet corn! Thanks guys.
Use cream corn they like it better. KG
How would you put a stop knot below top fly on the dropper loop if you want to move it up?
ESS, I use a blood knot but in reality because the fish is not pulling on that knot you can use a double overhand/granny knot as it is simply a stopper. Thanks, Kelly
On certain rivers, I wouldn't waste my time trying to weight flies. But I did notice, that even heavily weighted flies, don't always hit bottom. Everybody talks about weighted flies hitting the bottom. That's not generally what happens. What does happen, is that weight on the hook, changes the motion of the fly a lot. Instead of having something that has life and movement, the edge gets knocked off of that. A bit like listening to great music on a bad set of headphones. One wonders, what happened to the music?
Thanks for this. My question concerns re-positioning the dropper (upper) fly. Will this tend to slide back down to the blood knot/tippet ring, or do you have to tie a stopper knot below the repositioned fly to keep it in place?
I do this with a spinning rod, but without an indicator and about a 1/4 ounce weight on the bottom. It’s not the prettiest thing ever but it sure as hell works.
Have you ever used this system on still water ?
I saw your fish mounts, very cool, do you get skin mounts or replicas?
Reese Milburn most likely replicas, these guys are c&r freaks
what size of line do you use for the loops?
Mike Christenso
What rod wt/length and fly line work best for this technique?
I like a 10' 4 wt. KG
What's the best way to secure the split shot, I keep losing mine without even snagging.
Throw an overhand knot at the end, that will keep it from sliding off. KG
But who's Johnny
How do you transition from the butt section of the leader to this rig?
Naive question. ....do you put a knot below the splitshot or do you just pinch it on?
you can, but it doesn't slip off very often without
How do you hook up the bottom fly with the dropper weight? Do you tie a separate knot through the eye of the bottom fly to the weight? Or rig the bottom fly and weight differently. Please explain I'm wanting to try this setup on my next trip instead of adding the split shot in the middle of the two flies.
David, Yes you tie a separate piece of mono (6 inches or so) thru the bottom fly's eye, generally one X lighter so it breaks before your fly does if it gets hung up
TheSlideinn thank you for the reply back. I usually put weight either above both flies or in the middle of them both. I'm going to try this method on my next trip and hopefully this will increase my numbers.
I just leave 6" on the tag end. That's what i snap a splitshot to.