Jack White it has G forces. Hence the name full motion sim. To create G’s on the human body the sim will tilt up simulating forces, and negative G’s are simulated by the sim tilting down.
My instructor once had me fly a Piper Cherokee without touching the yoke (using only rudder and trim) and do basic maneuvers like turning, climbing, and descending just for fun, but I could never imagine landing it like that. Awesome job Steveo!
When I first heard the opening audio "Thank you so much, and welcome to Wichita" I did a double take to make sure that it wasn't one of my personal videos playing by mistake since I live in Wichita (work for Cessna/Textron Aviation), and I just got back into town on Monday, and of course I recorded the landing and welcome announcement by the FA. It's nice to see such a familiar sight in a RUclips video. :-)
12:03 - Might seem strange to be still trying to use the controls that are clearly not working, but I think it was even stranger that I kept trying to use my invisible yoke to help :S
Don't think I ever saw Steveo SWEAT like that before :) ,,, but I would still fly with him ANYWHERE !!!! Happy New Year to both Flight Chops and Steveo !! Looking forward to following you guyz in 2017 !! B/SwFL RSW
efox2001 my father in law was a commercial pilot and flew a Cessna 310 when he was semi retired. He used to tell stories about how they would try to "kill him" in the simulator. Pretty funny stories. They finally threw the book at him - both engines out, electrical failures, no instruments and no gear. They should have had someone barge in to stevo's cockpit, declare a hijack, and continually hit him on the head with a nerf bat while landing
Great simulations, Steveo, and great job in those emergencies. One can only imagine what WWII B-17 pilots went through, after the tail of their B-17 had shot up badly, or even severely damaged, and yet they were able to get back to base safely. I can't imagine how they did it. Also, I was awed by the simulation graphics in the simulator. Thanks for sharing.
Nice job on landing without elevator control. There is a great video on RUclips where an instructor simulates this same emergency with his student. It's worth checking out again and again. I really appreciate all the videos.
When you lose your elevator, just tell them "unable to maintain altitude". They'll understand. I would have also considered landing on the longest runway available (25R). Nice job with the emergency overall.
The altitude issued (3500) was the lowest legal altitude.Even though you experience control problems ATC is still going to issue an altitude to maintain, usually the MVA, unless there is other traffic.
Great job!! I did a full control loss in a real Cessna172, only elevator trip, throttle and pedals... was really funny! Of course, a C172 have much less weight hehe, but the best you can do is increase a bit the approach speed, not use full flap and wait to the last moment for throttle idle, that will ensure a smooth speed lose and you will not need too much movements on the trim. Sincerely, for never before tryed it... you did a GREAT job! PS: Excuse me for my english hehe, not my language.
I'm always impressed with people who can learn a new language. I was looking at Chinese the other day and I was thinking it must take a very long time to draw all those shapes. I'm sure each shape signifies a letter for us but.....I don't know, I can't see myself ever learning another language. Anyway, you did a good job. Watch out for some on the internet who will use you learning another language against you. Those are the people who sit home and judge all day on the internet. Good Day! 💖
Had me on the edge of my seat with loss of elevator! When you started the initial turn to the right, I was yelling at you "trim, trim, use your trim!" Then as you were diving for the runway, I was yelling "power, power, POWER!" And I'm just an inactive 172 driver! Great video.
Jeez' Louise! What an amazing E/D Steveo! So aggressive in your execution, yet totally in control of your aircraft and situation. Likewise with the Loss of Trim exercise. Calm, cool and collected although it did certainly appear to have caught your attention; to say the least. You're most definitely one of the very best out there, Steveo! Congrats on another successful SIM.
After getting my private ticket my 3rd flight , on a 172 aero club rental my elevator failed and I had to use the trim wheel and throttle to get down. Pucker factor was high but had a great instructor that put me through that emergency a few times as well as using cabin doors as plan B emergency if issues were with the rudder. Thank you Herb Johnson.
I lost my elevator on a Piper PA-44 and did exactly what you just did. Fortunately, it was easy and we landed very smootly. It result that a cable went off of one of his wheels, loossing the cable. Was the electric elevator trim working on your training ?
No. Losing elevator just means you can't control your angle of attack directly, but that alone will not cause instant death (as long as you have some altitude and airspeed). Losing elevator during take-off, when you're already beyond V1 speed is bad. Losing elevator after take-off during the initial climb is even worse. But if you're already in cruise altitude and lose elevator control, things are only reasonably dire and there is a chance of survival. For every plane (of conventional aerodynamics) there is a certain stable airspeed that allows you to fly straight and level with no elevator input (elevator hanging in the wind). Going faster than that speed will allow you to climb, and reducing speed lets you descend. By very careful adjustment of throttle and use of other control surfaces (like flaps) to control your attitude, you can maneuver your way to approach and, hopefully, land. But many aircraft also have a separate trim control that can, at least in some failure modes, allow limited elevator control even if the actual elevator control fails. It depends a lot on the type of trim and the type of malfunction.
In the old Cessna 152 manuals they had emergency procedures for loss of elevator control. We would land all the time with only the trim wheel and power for fun. Good job.
I forget where I heard it, but someone once said "training in a simulator is rough, because the sim controllers delight in taking you right to the edge, then giving you a great big motherfucking push!"
My flight instructor demonstrated how to land with loss of yoke pitch control.. The trick I learnt was to keep my right hand (I was in the left seat) on the Cessna’s manual trim (wheel) at all times. It kept me from trying to pitch using the yoke and it allowed me to make adjustments very early and with precision, so the adjustments tended to be fairly small. The flare was the most difficult part because the trim wheel had to be rotated very briskly during the final couple of feet before touch down; expect to land long.
That last one was interesting! The thoughts I had (mere PP ASEL here) were initially to keep climbing and get out and away from the city a bit to fool around and see what kind of control I had, and to try and stabilize it at altitude before trying an approach; then to ask for a block altitude; and while you were landing my thought was to aim for further down the runway. I'd rather go off the end slowing down than come up short! But that was a very tricky scenario indeed! Any landing you can walk away from...
So I was listening to the FLL feed because of the shooting today, and I heard 1TB and it sounded just like you! What a coincidence, I just found and fell in love with this channel. If that was you, can you explain how that experience went for you? Go to LiveATC, look up FLL's archive and you're at the 10:10 mark (aprx 19:10 GMT). Rest in peace to the victims at FLL today.
+Eric Porter That was me. Very sad what happened today at KFLL. I was driving by the airport right as the shooting was happening and I had to fly by it shortly after.
Thanks for the quick reply. Very sad, and truly an unprecedented situation for both ATC and pilots at the airport. I can't imagine how much ATC had to scramble once they got word.
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. I might have approached the second emergency differently by trimming the elevators for the glide scope and adjusted pitch more with the throttle making only small adjustments to the trim wheel. That being said you don't have a lot of time to react at that altitude. I just tried the approach in P3D my way and made a successful landing with the addition of using only 2 notches flaps sacrificing a faster approach and landing.
+steveo1kinevo great job on that second emergency. One question: why not trim for a stabilized approach speed and use the throttle for altitude on final?
Steveo, nice job, as someone else said, you walked away. Like Bob, I would have thought about using the throttle after trimming for the angle and airspeed you wanted to have over the numbers. Also, not sure how much flap you had, but with that amount of runway, a half flap landing would have been flatter, and thus easier to flair at the end. Now having said all that, I have zero turbine time, and the spool up might negate any benefits of using the throttle except for minor adjustments in the flight path. Good thought provoking video.
@@richardaldom741 Disclaimer, I have never flown much less landed a Caravan, so I don't know how well it would do this. My first thought was a zero flap landing, lots of runway for the excess speed, and a much flatter approach. He was going to have a ton of trimming as the nose dropped from chopping power, my fear was running out of trim. Either way he got it down safely. As a wise man once told me, "the aircraft belongs to the insurance company now, as long as you get your passengers down safely".
Excellent job Stevo. Yes that’s something that none of us in GA ever think about, but anything is possible. And like the old saying, any landing you could walk away from is a good landing.
Not bad on the no elevator landing Steveo! Something a former Air force Academy instructor insisted I learn was landing with elevator, rudder and aileron failure along with throttle stuck open and part throttle. He insisted that mastering control failures was not only essential for combat flying but a good proficiencies skill for General Aviation. What he taught for higher performance aircraft was basically to slowly trim up for a no-flap (if possible) glassy water style landing where you get the aircraft to a reasonable landing speed where you still have, some up up elevator control in case you need it and adjust power slightly to land in and stay off the trim as much as possible, and avoid a go-around at all cost. I practiced this in a Cessna 310 and it seemed reasonably possibly Another option, and one I preferred that worked well in a 172, Cherokee and might work in the Caravan as it flies like a big 172, was to slow the aircraft while maintaining level flight until trimmed fully nose-up and then use just power to control decent. Apparently, most light aircraft won't stall in that configuration unless you suddenly add a lot of power and your speed it at a minimum if you loose control.
Nice Video. Richard Collins did a video, I believe in his P210, where he landed his actual airplane (not sim) with only his trim. I don't think you can find it on YT, I believe it was part of the Sporty's collection, but if you ever get the chance, its worth watching. I may have to try that during my next sim training.
the first emergency descent landing was just so perfect....... I thought he was going to get into the water but ended up reaching the RW threshold so perfect..
Would a flapless approach make this easier or harder? True it's at a faster speed but my reasoning is the pitch angle is a bit higher so less of a dramatic flare would be required. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
My thoughts exactly. Since he was on the right glidepath, he should have left the flaps alone. No need to introduce a new variable you haven't checked out at altitude that close to the ground. Also McCarron's gotta have some long ass runways (too lazy to look it up), so plenty safe to land a little hot.
I think the "controller" says it's 9700 feet. And no of course haha the situation was beautifully handled! I'm just thinking if it were to happen to me what's the ideal approach, pun intended :p
Yup. I was thinking just that too. Faster approach speed means a shallower approach and less change in pitch angle on flair. The runways were plenty long enough to come to a safe stop. Certainly in terms of playing the odds of fatality, with an aircraft that size I'd rather come in too fast and roll the dice on the ground than risk over-controlling and stalling approaching minimums.
Why use flaps on the elevator failure? With 9700 feet available, just fly it onto the deck. might be rough but you would be alright... gradual rate of descent all the way down. Flaps just upset the aircraft.
Nice. I used to practice this with my students. I found getting configured and stabilized with the flaps set, then use small power changes for pitch control worked pretty well. Like you said, small changes is key. You got'r down though! Nice work.
That elevator failure was intense! I wonder what the chances are of some collapsed gear in the real-world equivalent. But you still walked away from it so well done! Question, since you do the majority of your flying in the southeast and Bahamas, would it be better to practice those emergency situations around those areas in the simulator? That way, if you have emergencies during your regular flights and are forced to use airports you normally do not, you'd be slightly more prepared through the sim time, no? Sidebar, I have finally caught up on every single flight vlog so I can no longer binge watch a bunch in one sitting and now have to wait like all the other subscribers. Sad day.
These types of sims can often be in the price range of tens of millions, and the scenery available is whatever is custom created for it. Some centers can do this themselves, but it requires someone to want it (and possibly pay for it?).
Eseem true. But FlightSafety Intl is the company that built the simulator, so it'd be fair to think they would have the entire world mapped for use if they're throwing Brazil and KLAS randomly for these two emergency simulations.
We trained for similar conditions in Bell OH-58s to hold 60 knots in a steep turn, and I don't think the helicopter came down much faster. Very informative. Thanks for posting.
I don't think it's X-Plane 11. Flight Safety International uses their own simulation software called the Matrix training system. www.flightsafety.com/fs_service_simulation_systems_cat.php?p=mat
Marco Madrigal not Prepar3d. Flight Safety International has their own proprietary software called the Matrix Integrated Training Technology. It does not run on X-Plane, Prepar3d or MS sim. Check their website. www.flightsafety.com/fs_service_simulation_systemswww.flightsafety.com/fs_service_simulation_systems_cat.php?p=mat
Good job I was waiting for the windscreen to go RED. My son was flying me in a Cessna 172 while I was taking aerial photos of the middle school my wife was taeching at for the yearbook. when we climbed out to return to the airport less than five miles away, the throttle stuck wide open. You always train for loss of power...that happened many years later and at night, anyway we just flew it back to the airport and when we had the field made on final just pulled the mixture and landed dead stick. That was a first but an easy one.
I was impressed by how quickly your hand moved to the trim, I think right in the middle of your narrative. So even though you never practiced this, your instincts were right on. I can only hope that those pilots sitting up front when I'm a passenger are as quick.
I told you Steveo that I am an instructor for FlightSafety on the Mustang in Orlando since 2013. From 08-12 I taught the Caravan in Wichita. The last emergency was always a fav of mine to give the clients. It is a very stressful situation that demands very fine touch/feel for the controls. Did you ever come through FSI during that period? I remember asking you about a couple that I believe were in charge of Watermakers and you said the man had passed. Very sad, they were awesome to work with. Anyway, great job dealing with the elevator issue, very demanding!
Very nice! Got it down safely! It must be so weird flying with the trim tab alone. I remember back in 1987, LOT Polish IL-62 had a #1 engine explode over the Baltic sea. The explosion took out #2 and all the hydraulics. They flew with aileron trim and elevator trim all the way to Warsaw. On short final, the tail started to separate from the fire that the cockpit crew was not aware of. Crashed 3 km from the runway. The pilot still managed to press the mike button and say "this is it, we're dying. Fare well". Gives me goosebumps just thinking about this.
This is similar to Flight Attendant training. During our final certification test we are thrown a random emergency situation, such as a ditching, or a fire etc. and we have to react accordingly to the situation and perform the evacuation for that type of emergency situation.
Out of all the airports they gave you one of the most difficult airport in the world in terms of approaches, and you handled it like a boss awesome job Steveo1kinevo.
What do you mean? A visual approach to a long runway on flat terrain doesn't classify as a difficult approach (ignoring the fact that the elevator didn't respond, here) in my mind, but perhaps you're thinking of something specific?
Aha, that makes more sense, though the approach itself isn't too tricky flying it visually like that, the tricky part in this case is to stay ahead of the aircraft mentally doing that fast spiral descend for a quick landing.
My instructor had me fly an approach and land with simulated stuck controls during my Flight Instructor training. he allowed a minimum of roll and pitch authority but using rudder, trim and power I was succesful in landing the C150.
Correct me if i'm wrong: I would of left the flaps up to maintain a higher airspeed at landing. In doing so i would have more stick response, more time if another failure occurred, and would prevent a low speed stall as we saw take place. The runway is plenty long enough.
How cool that you used these two airports! I remember working on both of these visual databases for FSI at the VSS facility in St. Louis. I spent a lot of time on Santos Dumont, creating as accurate a terrain map as possible, then a 3D Christ statue true to its real dimensions, and even an animated cable car on Sugarloaf that moved up and down its route. That was nearly 20 years ago, so at least one generation older than this one, but wow the technology just gets better and better looking! Great flying!
Interesting, especially the 2nd scenario! It's nice to practice in a simulator, even if you crash, you get to walk away! Thank you for setting up this particular video!
One of the best videos you've made! I wish you were my pilot on every flight I've ever been on, or will ever go on. Staying cool under pressure, that's your whole thing.
The simulator hall looks from the outside like its inside a imperial shuttle from Starwars, with those bridges that can move. Awesome, never seen anything like that cool.
nice landing, i have training this situations in my plane cessna 182F in brazil, but i dont touch on the rwy only manual trim, i´ve complete aproach the normal control.
*I feel sooooo stupid* ... I clicked on the video then inadvertently started play a few mins in and I totally didnt perceive for another few mins that this was in a simulator, wow the graphics. Amazing. I had no idea the sims were THAT realistic. PS if anyone is going to mock or laugh at me, well, you'd be _totally_ fair to do so! Great video Steve!
Great way to handle two in flight emergencies, especially the loss of elevator control. I call it very successful. The airplane is reusable and everyone walked away. Thanks for the demonstration of how a real pilot handles emergencies. .
A very interesting video,I am in UK and fly microlight aircraft; weightshift but have flown stick and rudder also.Sometimes in very gusty weather one thinks of flying it onto the ground,,stall speed then becomes a secondary as approach speed is somewhat high.
I am not a pilot. But training is the best way to get ready for these things. love these videos. You really see Steveo thinking about it. Almost real stress.
I love these because there's so much to learn. Some thoughts (long, sorry) Caravan medical: 1. Passenger reported medical and need to get on ground immediately. Are they qualified to make this determination? Probably not. Best to ask patient condition. If "unconscious and unresponsive", "chest pain and tingling left arm", "not breathing", or "we're doing CPR" get down fast. Otherwise, the level of urgency can be adjusted for the conditions at hand. Don't let the passengers manage you. 2. Initial contact with center stated medical emergency. They suggested a nearby airport but nobody asked if they had EMS services at immediate hand... or if another airport might have been a better choice. Considering altitude, perhaps a straight in to another facility would have involved the same amount of time to get on the ground? Never assume controller covers all the angles. 3. Initial contact with facility tower did not state medical emergency. Later, tower said equipment would meet you. Now, I am imagining a few large fire trucks and no ambulance. That would not be good. 4. Why choose the runway further from the terminal area? Longer distance for EMS to meet you. Extend, or adjust your downwind, or side slip left? 5. No altimeter setting was offered and none asked for. On the way in I heard 1000' altitude tone, and you seemed to be less than that above ground. CAVU might turn into mud if something lets go under the hood and obscures your windscreen with oil. No good emergency likes to live alone. 6. No audible checklist. During stress shouldn't this be done, to make certain nothing was missed? 7. No update as to patient status. Might be important ("patient now conscious and alert" would reduce the urgency, at least slightly). 8. No call out to passengers to strap in for landing. Elevator authority loss: 1. You took a right turn instruction and began executing it before determining if any working flight control changes might be disastrous. Concurrently, you did not walk through emergency checklist items for this issue. You stated that this never happened before.... all the more reason to get stable and consult the manual. Among the options might be: - elevator trim - engine power - prayer 2. You jiggled the elevator in the turn. Perhaps the worst attitude in which to take chances. Perhaps you might, in attempting to change pitch, throw the whole mechanical mess into a more severe condition. Whilst in a turn, I should think any unknown pitch changes could exacerbate a stall. 3. Your turns appeared to be standard rate. With no pitch control, I might assume you would then lose some altitude. Not sure how this all lines up between your position and the airport, but my guess is (fearing the worst) that the controller's vectors did not account for a desperate need for very slow turns and minimal changes. 4. Tower is offering 19 R or L. I might insist that such accuracy is un-achievable and at best you'll try to make the airport. Last thing anyone needs is a midair. 5. Looks like tower vectored you over a populated area and if so, not so bright. Perhaps there are no better approaches? 6. Why add flaps? Any configuration change seems terribly risky. Go for the high speed landing and call it a landing. 7. At 13 minutes in, you mention using elevator trim. Guess you covered this in item 1 and I missed it. 8. No call out to passengers to strap in for landing. Now I shall strap myself in for the backlash :)
If you think about it. putting that elevator control input into your emergency will naturally tell your brain to start trimming accordingly. Great Training! Oshkosh 2018?
Job well done steveo! The loss of elevator control reminded me of the phrase "PITCH for SPEED, POWER for ALTITUDE". Never tried that in a simulator (and hopefully never get to try it in real life) !
The loss of the elevator was nerve-racking for me to watch. I'm sitting here in front of my computer thinking, "oh god not today" while you are like, "I'm Steveo1kinevo, I GOT THIS".
As the old saying goes, a good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing is one where you can use the plane again afterwards.
quasarsphere What about Ryan Air there landings are not good or great but you can still use the plane afterwards and walk away lol
You can use the plane afterward; you can use the plane for sheet metal for a roof on the shed.
It’s very likely that he just bent the hell out of the landing gear but that is fixable
SteveO: We're experiencing some light chop...
Guy in the back: Ctrl-Shift-+,
Human Factors with Paul Garth Not Light chop You need say *Pitch up*
That is one bad ass sim.
holy shit I thought the sim reference graphics was some kind of joke... that's a sim.?
Officer Gregory Stevens are you being sarcastic?
Jonn I’ll.be happy one day getting xplane 11 and a 1081ti 👍🤡
Jack White it has G forces. Hence the name full motion sim. To create G’s on the human body the sim will tilt up simulating forces, and negative G’s are simulated by the sim tilting down.
My instructor once had me fly a Piper Cherokee without touching the yoke (using only rudder and trim) and do basic maneuvers like turning, climbing, and descending just for fun, but I could never imagine landing it like that. Awesome job Steveo!
When I first heard the opening audio "Thank you so much, and welcome to Wichita" I did a double take to make sure that it wasn't one of my personal videos playing by mistake since I live in Wichita (work for Cessna/Textron Aviation), and I just got back into town on Monday, and of course I recorded the landing and welcome announcement by the FA. It's nice to see such a familiar sight in a RUclips video. :-)
That's pretty cool to see you using Flight Safety! I actually build these sims in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.
Lived and worked in BA for many years. My wife was also a teacher there. We live in Owasso now. 😁
Two new places I think I might like to work.
12:03 - Might seem strange to be still trying to use the controls that are clearly not working, but I think it was even stranger that I kept trying to use my invisible yoke to help :S
LOL, good one tin, think a few of us might have done that as well ;)
I did the same with my invisible trim wheel :-)
The slow and low mushyness on flare had my palms sweating. Hope to never have to control like that. Nice job.
Great Stuff Steveo! Love seeing you getting put through the wringer :)
Don't think I ever saw Steveo SWEAT like that before :) ,,, but I would still fly with him ANYWHERE !!!! Happy New Year to both Flight Chops and Steveo !! Looking forward to following you guyz in 2017 !! B/SwFL RSW
FlightChops The flight safety folks probably had a great time, "We can do what ever we want? Cool!" *evil grin*
efox2001 my father in law was a commercial pilot and flew a Cessna 310 when he was semi retired. He used to tell stories about how they would try to "kill him" in the simulator. Pretty funny stories. They finally threw the book at him - both engines out, electrical failures, no instruments and no gear.
They should have had someone barge in to stevo's cockpit, declare a hijack, and continually hit him on the head with a nerf bat while landing
KINGSHAKABOBO cool
Love it!
Jeeeez... Had to remind myself to breath during that landing, caught myself holding my breath watching you work that trim.
I got tense on the second landing!!
Great simulations, Steveo, and great job in those emergencies. One can only imagine what WWII B-17 pilots went through, after the tail of their B-17 had shot up badly, or even severely damaged, and yet they were able to get back to base safely. I can't imagine how they did it. Also, I was awed by the simulation graphics in the simulator. Thanks for sharing.
In real life, that might have required a change in underpants... ;-)
ahhhhh... thru the magic of editing, so of the more shocking parts were probably removed ... :)
Bruce Malo Haha!
Bruce Malo Its amazing what surgeons can do these days. :-p
always pack your heavy-duty astronaut-tested underwear for those stimulating simulators.....
You forgot, " over mountains with down-bursts and icing conditions!"
Nice job on landing without elevator control. There is a great video on RUclips where an instructor simulates this same emergency with his student. It's worth checking out again and again.
I really appreciate all the videos.
+jason michaud I saw that video! Very cool.
When you lose your elevator, just tell them "unable to maintain altitude". They'll understand. I would have also considered landing on the longest runway available (25R). Nice job with the emergency overall.
Would it have been better to keep the stability rather than use the flaps? Nice long runway available.
The altitude issued (3500) was the lowest legal altitude.Even though you experience control problems ATC is still going to issue an altitude to maintain, usually the MVA, unless there is other traffic.
Great job!! I did a full control loss in a real Cessna172, only elevator trip, throttle and pedals... was really funny! Of course, a C172 have much less weight hehe, but the best you can do is increase a bit the approach speed, not use full flap and wait to the last moment for throttle idle, that will ensure a smooth speed lose and you will not need too much movements on the trim.
Sincerely, for never before tryed it... you did a GREAT job!
PS: Excuse me for my english hehe, not my language.
I'm always impressed with people who can learn a new language. I was looking at Chinese the other day and I was thinking it must take a very long time to draw all those shapes. I'm sure each shape signifies a letter for us but.....I don't know, I can't see myself ever learning another language. Anyway, you did a good job. Watch out for some on the internet who will use you learning another language against you. Those are the people who sit home and judge all day on the internet. Good Day! 💖
I want that toy in my livingroom...
Willem P 🤤
Real plane is cheaper
If i ever win the lottery i will have one real one probably is cheaper lol
Had me on the edge of my seat with loss of elevator! When you started the initial turn to the right, I was yelling at you "trim, trim, use your trim!" Then as you were diving for the runway, I was yelling "power, power, POWER!" And I'm just an inactive 172 driver! Great video.
OMG, those graphics are amazing!!
I was just going to say that.
at first i didnt know it was a simulator!!!
Full motion simulator, counts as flight time. It must be nice.
Jeez' Louise! What an amazing E/D Steveo! So aggressive in your execution, yet totally in control of your aircraft and situation. Likewise with the Loss of Trim exercise. Calm, cool and collected although it did certainly appear to have caught your attention; to say the least. You're most definitely one of the very best out there, Steveo! Congrats on another successful SIM.
Great landing. That’s not luck. That’s skill
After getting my private ticket my 3rd flight , on a 172 aero club rental my elevator failed and I had to use the trim wheel and throttle to get down. Pucker factor was high but had a great instructor that put me through that emergency a few times as well as using cabin doors as plan B emergency if issues were with the rudder. Thank you Herb Johnson.
I lost my elevator on a Piper PA-44 and did exactly what you just did. Fortunately, it was easy and we landed very smootly. It result that a cable went off of one of his wheels, loossing the cable.
Was the electric elevator trim working on your training ?
+superflyer6969 the elevator trim still worked in this situation.
superflyer6969 nice job getting down without incident! I'm doing my multi in the Seminole. Good aircraft!
Did you even wath the video? What a dumb question
doesn't losing an elevator pretty much mean instant death?
No. Losing elevator just means you can't control your angle of attack directly, but that alone will not cause instant death (as long as you have some altitude and airspeed). Losing elevator during take-off, when you're already beyond V1 speed is bad. Losing elevator after take-off during the initial climb is even worse. But if you're already in cruise altitude and lose elevator control, things are only reasonably dire and there is a chance of survival.
For every plane (of conventional aerodynamics) there is a certain stable airspeed that allows you to fly straight and level with no elevator input (elevator hanging in the wind). Going faster than that speed will allow you to climb, and reducing speed lets you descend. By very careful adjustment of throttle and use of other control surfaces (like flaps) to control your attitude, you can maneuver your way to approach and, hopefully, land.
But many aircraft also have a separate trim control that can, at least in some failure modes, allow limited elevator control even if the actual elevator control fails. It depends a lot on the type of trim and the type of malfunction.
In the old Cessna 152 manuals they had emergency procedures for loss of elevator control. We would land all the time with only the trim wheel and power for fun. Good job.
Whoa! They sure can throw a wrench in your spokes on those simulators.
I forget where I heard it, but someone once said "training in a simulator is rough, because the sim controllers delight in taking you right to the edge, then giving you a great big motherfucking push!"
My flight instructor demonstrated how to land with loss of yoke pitch control.. The trick I learnt was to keep my right hand (I was in the left seat) on the Cessna’s manual trim (wheel) at all times. It kept me from trying to pitch using the yoke and it allowed me to make adjustments very early and with precision, so the adjustments tended to be fairly small. The flare was the most difficult part because the trim wheel had to be rotated very briskly during the final couple of feet before touch down; expect to land long.
Rio ATC have certainly improved their English pronunciation since I last listened to them! LOL
That last one was interesting! The thoughts I had (mere PP ASEL here) were initially to keep climbing and get out and away from the city a bit to fool around and see what kind of control I had, and to try and stabilize it at altitude before trying an approach; then to ask for a block altitude; and while you were landing my thought was to aim for further down the runway. I'd rather go off the end slowing down than come up short!
But that was a very tricky scenario indeed! Any landing you can walk away from...
So I was listening to the FLL feed because of the shooting today, and I heard 1TB and it sounded just like you! What a coincidence, I just found and fell in love with this channel. If that was you, can you explain how that experience went for you? Go to LiveATC, look up FLL's archive and you're at the 10:10 mark (aprx 19:10 GMT).
Rest in peace to the victims at FLL today.
+Eric Porter That was me. Very sad what happened today at KFLL. I was driving by the airport right as the shooting was happening and I had to fly by it shortly after.
Thanks for the quick reply. Very sad, and truly an unprecedented situation for both ATC and pilots at the airport. I can't imagine how much ATC had to scramble once they got word.
steveo1kinevo glad your ok
...a very sad day there for everyone...
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6:10 Landing at the best airport in Brazil! Rio de Janeiro, love it!
Awesome Steveo! I sweated with you during that last emergency. Thanks for sharing that experience!
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. I might have approached the second emergency differently by trimming the elevators for the glide scope and adjusted pitch more with the throttle making only small adjustments to the trim wheel. That being said you don't have a lot of time to react at that altitude. I just tried the approach in P3D my way and made a successful landing with the addition of using only 2 notches flaps sacrificing a faster approach and landing.
+steveo1kinevo great job on that second emergency. One question: why not trim for a stabilized approach speed and use the throttle for altitude on final?
I was going to say the same thing. It would likely ease up on the over controlling and balooning
@@warrenpierce8526 n keep out of a stall envelope!
Steveo, nice job, as someone else said, you walked away. Like Bob, I would have thought about using the throttle after trimming for the angle and airspeed you wanted to have over the numbers. Also, not sure how much flap you had, but with that amount of runway, a half flap landing would have been flatter, and thus easier to flair at the end. Now having said all that, I have zero turbine time, and the spool up might negate any benefits of using the throttle except for minor adjustments in the flight path. Good thought provoking video.
@@richardaldom741 Disclaimer, I have never flown much less landed a Caravan, so I don't know how well it would do this. My first thought was a zero flap landing, lots of runway for the excess speed, and a much flatter approach. He was going to have a ton of trimming as the nose dropped from chopping power, my fear was running out of trim. Either way he got it down safely. As a wise man once told me, "the aircraft belongs to the insurance company now, as long as you get your passengers down safely".
we appreciate your honesty in showing us a difficult situation
I found myself holding my breath until the end of the second sim!
Excellent job Stevo. Yes that’s something that none of us in GA ever think about, but anything is possible. And like the old saying, any landing you could walk away from is a good landing.
EMERGENCY IN THE CHRYSLER CARAVAN!
Not bad on the no elevator landing Steveo! Something a former Air force Academy instructor insisted I learn was landing with elevator, rudder and aileron failure along with throttle stuck open and part throttle. He insisted that mastering control failures was not only essential for combat flying but a good proficiencies skill for General Aviation.
What he taught for higher performance aircraft was basically to slowly trim up for a no-flap (if possible) glassy water style landing where you get the aircraft to a reasonable landing speed where you still have, some up up elevator control in case you need it and adjust power slightly to land in and stay off the trim as much as possible, and avoid a go-around at all cost. I practiced this in a Cessna 310 and it seemed reasonably possibly
Another option, and one I preferred that worked well in a 172, Cherokee and might work in the Caravan as it flies like a big 172, was to slow the aircraft while maintaining level flight until trimmed fully nose-up and then use just power to control decent. Apparently, most light aircraft won't stall in that configuration unless you suddenly add a lot of power and your speed it at a minimum if you loose control.
Nice Video. Richard Collins did a video, I believe in his P210, where he landed his actual airplane (not sim) with only his trim. I don't think you can find it on YT, I believe it was part of the Sporty's collection, but if you ever get the chance, its worth watching. I may have to try that during my next sim training.
Santos Dumont, Brasil!
Gets your heart pumping but you just keep your cool and very professional... awesome to watch
Steveo, how come you don't show anymore videos of the Caravan flying to the Bahamas?
+Marcelo tatertotts Avarino hopefully I will be able to film some more Caravan Bahamas videos soon!
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BB X Tatertotts even the simulator was a 5/10 on the “clench scale” 👏
the first emergency descent landing was just so perfect....... I thought he was going to get into the water but ended up reaching the RW threshold so perfect..
Would a flapless approach make this easier or harder? True it's at a faster speed but my reasoning is the pitch angle is a bit higher so less of a dramatic flare would be required. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
My thoughts exactly. Since he was on the right glidepath, he should have left the flaps alone. No need to introduce a new variable you haven't checked out at altitude that close to the ground. Also McCarron's gotta have some long ass runways (too lazy to look it up), so plenty safe to land a little hot.
PS: Said like a true monday morning quarterback :)!
I think the "controller" says it's 9700 feet.
And no of course haha the situation was beautifully handled! I'm just thinking if it were to happen to me what's the ideal approach, pun intended :p
BTW, the monday morning quarterback remark was aimed at myself.
Yup. I was thinking just that too. Faster approach speed means a shallower approach and less change in pitch angle on flair. The runways were plenty long enough to come to a safe stop. Certainly in terms of playing the odds of fatality, with an aircraft that size I'd rather come in too fast and roll the dice on the ground than risk over-controlling and stalling approaching minimums.
Perfect Pilot flying. I would request this Pilot all the time
Over Rio and the controller is speaking perfect english with an american accent? Not so much in real life.😜
I'm Brazilian, and I agree with your comment
Yeah, they don't have to, you see, that's their land and language, you're the foreigner.
@@SandraRegina-sm1wg Take the joke and move on.
"WOW" good job, hard to believe how calm you were.
Why use flaps on the elevator failure? With 9700 feet available, just fly it onto the deck. might be rough but you would be alright... gradual rate of descent all the way down. Flaps just upset the aircraft.
Nice. I used to practice this with my students. I found getting configured and stabilized with the flaps set, then use small power changes for pitch control worked pretty well. Like you said, small changes is key. You got'r down though! Nice work.
That elevator failure was intense! I wonder what the chances are of some collapsed gear in the real-world equivalent. But you still walked away from it so well done!
Question, since you do the majority of your flying in the southeast and Bahamas, would it be better to practice those emergency situations around those areas in the simulator? That way, if you have emergencies during your regular flights and are forced to use airports you normally do not, you'd be slightly more prepared through the sim time, no?
Sidebar, I have finally caught up on every single flight vlog so I can no longer binge watch a bunch in one sitting and now have to wait like all the other subscribers. Sad day.
These types of sims can often be in the price range of tens of millions, and the scenery available is whatever is custom created for it. Some centers can do this themselves, but it requires someone to want it (and possibly pay for it?).
Eseem true. But FlightSafety Intl is the company that built the simulator, so it'd be fair to think they would have the entire world mapped for use if they're throwing Brazil and KLAS randomly for these two emergency simulations.
We trained for similar conditions in Bell OH-58s to hold 60 knots in a steep turn, and I don't think the helicopter came down much faster. Very informative. Thanks for posting.
Wow, good job man!
Outstanding! Nice job on your loss of elevator. Priceless how you intuitively continued to feather and feel your pitch. Good job!
what flight sim is that and WHAT SCENERY IS THAT!!!??!?!
I think it is X-plane 11 and the first scenery is Rio de Janeiro
I don't think it's X-Plane 11. Flight Safety International uses their own simulation software called the Matrix training system. www.flightsafety.com/fs_service_simulation_systems_cat.php?p=mat
the web is under maintenance unfortunately
Prepar3D is the software... amazing!
Marco Madrigal not Prepar3d. Flight Safety International has their own proprietary software called the Matrix Integrated Training Technology. It does not run on X-Plane, Prepar3d or MS sim. Check their website. www.flightsafety.com/fs_service_simulation_systemswww.flightsafety.com/fs_service_simulation_systems_cat.php?p=mat
Good job I was waiting for the windscreen to go RED. My son was flying me in a Cessna 172 while I was taking aerial photos of the middle school my wife was taeching at for the yearbook. when we climbed out to return to the airport less than five miles away, the throttle stuck wide open. You always train for loss of power...that happened many years later and at night, anyway we just flew it back to the airport and when we had the field made on final just pulled the mixture and landed dead stick. That was a first but an easy one.
Awesome! I just posted a few videos of my Dash 8- Q400 sim with Flight Safety.
I was impressed by how quickly your hand moved to the trim, I think right in the middle of your narrative. So even though you never practiced this, your instincts were right on. I can only hope that those pilots sitting up front when I'm a passenger are as quick.
I told you Steveo that I am an instructor for FlightSafety on the Mustang in Orlando since 2013. From 08-12 I taught the Caravan in Wichita. The last emergency was always a fav of mine to give the clients. It is a very stressful situation that demands very fine touch/feel for the controls. Did you ever come through FSI during that period? I remember asking you about a couple that I believe were in charge of Watermakers and you said the man had passed. Very sad, they were awesome to work with. Anyway, great job dealing with the elevator issue, very demanding!
I WANT to be able to say "Michael Jackson" taught ME to fly the Mustang...BITCHES. :P lolz ;)
And Michael Jackson was our Mustang recurrent training instructor at FSI in Orlando. He was one of our favorites and managed to teach us a lot.
Thank Mike Murdock!
Michael Jackson Did you know Bill Sentilles in Wichita? He taught the caravan at FlightSafety.
Yes i knew a Bill Sentiles in WIchita!
Very nice! Got it down safely! It must be so weird flying with the trim tab alone. I remember back in 1987, LOT Polish IL-62 had a #1 engine explode over the Baltic sea. The explosion took out #2 and all the hydraulics. They flew with aileron trim and elevator trim all the way to Warsaw. On short final, the tail started to separate from the fire that the cockpit crew was not aware of. Crashed 3 km from the runway. The pilot still managed to press the mike button and say "this is it, we're dying. Fare well". Gives me goosebumps just thinking about this.
SBRJ, haha!
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This is similar to Flight Attendant training. During our final certification test we are thrown a random emergency situation, such as a ditching, or a fire etc. and we have to react accordingly to the situation and perform the evacuation for that type of emergency situation.
Yes the Caravan videos are back! Well sort of. Looking forward to more. Keep up the great videos Steve.
We lost elevator on a Piper Aztec several years ago. We had an hour to practice before we made it to a runway. The Aztec lived to fly the next day.
this is why I love flight safety. that looked INTENSE. there C-5 training is world class.
That is an amazing simulator. You did awesome! Thanks Steve!
Out of all the airports they gave you one of the most difficult airport in the world in terms of approaches, and you handled it like a boss awesome job Steveo1kinevo.
What do you mean? A visual approach to a long runway on flat terrain doesn't classify as a difficult approach (ignoring the fact that the elevator didn't respond, here) in my mind, but perhaps you're thinking of something specific?
Thanks again for responding the scenario that I was referring to was the approach and landing into Rio de Janeiro with the medical emergency.
Aha, that makes more sense, though the approach itself isn't too tricky flying it visually like that, the tricky part in this case is to stay ahead of the aircraft mentally doing that fast spiral descend for a quick landing.
Awesome Training !!! Thanks for sharing the experience. Always learning !!
My instructor had me fly an approach and land with simulated stuck controls during my Flight Instructor training. he allowed a minimum of roll and pitch authority but using rudder, trim and power I was succesful in landing the C150.
Thanks for keeping us alive Steve...
Correct me if i'm wrong: I would of left the flaps up to maintain a higher airspeed at landing. In doing so i would have more stick response, more time if another failure occurred, and would prevent a low speed stall as we saw take place. The runway is plenty long enough.
Yeah ! we still alive on that second landing. Thanks Steve'o.
How cool that you used these two airports! I remember working on both of these visual databases for FSI at the VSS facility in St. Louis. I spent a lot of time on Santos Dumont, creating as accurate a terrain map as possible, then a 3D Christ statue true to its real dimensions, and even an animated cable car on Sugarloaf that moved up and down its route. That was nearly 20 years ago, so at least one generation older than this one, but wow the technology just gets better and better looking! Great flying!
Nice flying! Thanks for sharing and producing these videos.
Interesting, especially the 2nd scenario! It's nice to practice in a simulator, even if you crash, you get to walk away! Thank you for setting up this particular video!
One of the best videos you've made! I wish you were my pilot on every flight I've ever been on, or will ever go on. Staying cool under pressure, that's your whole thing.
The simulator hall looks from the outside like its inside a imperial shuttle from Starwars, with those bridges that can move. Awesome, never seen anything like that cool.
nice landing, i have training this situations in my plane cessna 182F in brazil, but i dont touch on the rwy only manual trim, i´ve complete aproach the normal control.
Wowww... This graphics are amazing... They also included owers A319 back there... Very nice!!!
*I feel sooooo stupid* ... I clicked on the video then inadvertently started play a few mins in and I totally didnt perceive for another few mins that this was in a simulator, wow the graphics. Amazing. I had no idea the sims were THAT realistic. PS if anyone is going to mock or laugh at me, well, you'd be _totally_ fair to do so!
Great video Steve!
Great way to handle two in flight emergencies, especially the loss of elevator control. I call it very successful. The airplane is reusable and everyone walked away. Thanks for the demonstration of how a real pilot handles emergencies. .
Holy crap! You did outstanding considering! I certainly doubt I would have been as calm and cool as you in that situation! Well done, Steveo!
A very interesting video,I am in UK and fly microlight aircraft; weightshift but have flown stick and rudder also.Sometimes in very gusty weather one thinks of flying it onto the ground,,stall speed then becomes a secondary as approach speed is somewhat high.
thank you for these videos. I appreciate all that you do for the community. Keep it up
Good on you and great facilities there. We have have had several medicals through the years and that went well.
13:16...You say... "we're getting lucky right now." I say no. I say...You're skill brother!
You Sir, are very good. I like how you did that left turn landing.
Very well done. I'd like to go get some SIM time in at that facility.
Great video. Very interesting. I love the Cessna Caravan. I once did a complete round the world flight on the MS simulator in a Caravan.
I am not a pilot. But training is the best way to get ready for these things. love these videos. You really see Steveo thinking about it. Almost real stress.
What an exciting landing!! If you walk away, it was perfect.
I love these because there's so much to learn.
Some thoughts (long, sorry)
Caravan medical:
1. Passenger reported medical and need to get on ground immediately. Are they qualified to make this determination? Probably not. Best to ask patient condition. If "unconscious and unresponsive", "chest pain and tingling left arm", "not breathing", or "we're doing CPR" get down fast. Otherwise, the level of urgency can be adjusted for the conditions at hand. Don't let the passengers manage you.
2. Initial contact with center stated medical emergency. They suggested a nearby airport but nobody asked if they had EMS services at immediate hand... or if another airport might have been a better choice. Considering altitude, perhaps a straight in to another facility would have involved the same amount of time to get on the ground? Never assume controller covers all the angles.
3. Initial contact with facility tower did not state medical emergency. Later, tower said equipment would meet you. Now, I am imagining a few large fire trucks and no ambulance. That would not be good.
4. Why choose the runway further from the terminal area? Longer distance for EMS to meet you. Extend, or adjust your downwind, or side slip left?
5. No altimeter setting was offered and none asked for. On the way in I heard 1000' altitude tone, and you seemed to be less than that above ground. CAVU might turn into mud if something lets go under the hood and obscures your windscreen with oil. No good emergency likes to live alone.
6. No audible checklist. During stress shouldn't this be done, to make certain nothing was missed?
7. No update as to patient status. Might be important ("patient now conscious and alert" would reduce the urgency, at least slightly).
8. No call out to passengers to strap in for landing.
Elevator authority loss:
1. You took a right turn instruction and began executing it before determining if any working flight control changes might be disastrous. Concurrently, you did not walk through emergency checklist items for this issue. You stated that this never happened before.... all the more reason to get stable and consult the manual.
Among the options might be:
- elevator trim
- engine power
- prayer
2. You jiggled the elevator in the turn. Perhaps the worst attitude in which to take chances. Perhaps you might, in attempting to change pitch, throw the whole mechanical mess into a more severe condition. Whilst in a turn, I should think any unknown pitch changes could exacerbate a stall.
3. Your turns appeared to be standard rate. With no pitch control, I might assume you would then lose some altitude. Not sure how this all lines up between your position and the airport, but my guess is (fearing the worst) that the controller's vectors did not account for a desperate need for very slow turns and minimal changes.
4. Tower is offering 19 R or L. I might insist that such accuracy is un-achievable and at best you'll try to make the airport. Last thing anyone needs is a midair.
5. Looks like tower vectored you over a populated area and if so, not so bright. Perhaps there are no better approaches?
6. Why add flaps? Any configuration change seems terribly risky. Go for the high speed landing and call it a landing.
7. At 13 minutes in, you mention using elevator trim. Guess you covered this in item 1 and I missed it.
8. No call out to passengers to strap in for landing.
Now I shall strap myself in for the backlash :)
If you think about it. putting that elevator control input into your emergency will naturally tell your brain to start trimming accordingly. Great Training! Oshkosh 2018?
WOW !! a like boss landing. Even without control pitch ! Amazing work !
Job well done steveo! The loss of elevator control reminded me of the phrase "PITCH for SPEED, POWER for ALTITUDE". Never tried that in a simulator (and hopefully never get to try it in real life) !
The loss of the elevator was nerve-racking for me to watch. I'm sitting here in front of my computer thinking, "oh god not today" while you are like, "I'm Steveo1kinevo, I GOT THIS".
Wow...nice emergency descent Stevo....right on the numbers...good job...you know your Caravan!!
Wow, fantastic save. Thanks for filming! Thanks to FliteSafety too
Steveo well done, I could see the stress building as you tried to flare.
That was very interesting, the input you required in the manual trim was quite something. Thanks.
Very cool. I actually used to work in the hangar that you showed at the end. Old raytheon/beech flight test.