Hi Bill! Sinn had their finger crossed while saying in other models than your choices stating that it was xyz movement but where Selita based chronograph based on the Valjoux 7750, while on the 7750 subject: earlier models had less jewels thus more wear and tear, ETA had to separate itself from the heard so the increased the 44 hours power reserve to 60 hours. These movements were sold to higher-end watch manufacturers. Sinn put a power reserve indicator on a dial to make things cooler. When buying it’s worthwhile to do a small research for chrono. watches which price can range from $2000-$15,000 range but has the same motor inside the 7750🧐
Thanks Jinx, but you know that all my knowledge just comes from enjoying watches and finding out about them. None of this is rocket science! Take care and be safe, Bill😷
My understanding is that Damasko either used to work for Sinn or used to make cases for Sinn... Damasko also has a pretty neat stem assembly and an anti-shock inner case... I own both a Sinn and a Damasko. Both are simple three-handers. On their higher tier watches, Damasko will do things like modify the mainspring or make other subtle changes to the movement to increase that anti-magnetism properties of their watches. Both very tool-y, fun casual watches.
Sinn and also Damasko is a bit expensive for us in Germany. We have to pay the VAT. Only the Sinn 104 is good. You can't get good discounts for the EZM or other Sinns. Just 3% or something like that. I strongly prefer a Longines Avigation for 2k (street) than a DC56 for 2k or a Sinn Chrono for 3k-4k. Or I save a bit more and take a used Breguet.
Yeah, MP, that 20% VAT is a killer. It's only about 7.7% in Switzerland, no? Can you just motor over the border to visit the Swiss watch shops selling German watches? Or is the considered smuggling?😉 Take care and be safe, Bill😷
Hi Bill, I really enjoy your videos. Even though I have subscribed to your channel, some times I forget to hit the like button. Many apologies for that. I guess I have to make it a habit to hit the like button before I start watching it. In my opinion, I think Sinn’s 356 Pilot is a far better companion for Damasco’s DC 56. I’m actually split between these two as to which one to buy for myself. Sinn 356 is offering Selita calibre in steel case at much higher price where as Damasco DC56 offers Valjoux caliber in a much harder steel case (ice-hardened as they call it) with their own patented technology for crown and pusher layout. Also Damesco advertises that their pushers can even be used underwater. They both have 10 atm water resistance. All in all DC56 seems to offer much more value than Sinn’s 356 Pilot. I would love to have your insights.
My only experience with a German watch is in the form of my 417 manual wind Hanhart reissue based on a 1950s original milspec for the German military) chronograph with a 7750. It has been impeccable despite its value price. If I were to be looking in the under $3000 space, I would not hesitate to look at either Sinn and Damasko. While I have or have had divers like the Ploprof 1200M, the Grand Seiko SBGA229, aPanerai, an orange dialed classic Doxa and aSeiko Great White Shark, the range of Sinn dive watches, the sophistication (including oil filled quartz movement watches which would not be your thing and mechanical beauties like the Sinn U1 which is a visually stunning $2300 automatic movement reference) and the reputed build quality combined with the price would cause me to seriously consider Sinn. For somebody who wants a quality three watch collection for a total of $5000 to $6000 that he could wear proudly for years without feeling that he “settled” as to quality, it is hard not to look at either Sinn or Damasko or other mid priced German brands like Muhle Glasuuttte or Hanhart. The value proposition of mid priced German brands appears to be excellent. I have handled Muhle Glashutte and a few Sinns but I have never handled a Damasko. You have to hunt down German watches at ADs or go through Watchbuys which is the North American distributor for Sinn, Hanhart and other brands and follows an online store instead of an AD point of sale model.
Hi Howard, the Germans have an interesting "High Finished - Standard Horology" class of watches, Hanhart being one. I prefer the hand wound ETA 6497/8 models with lots of engraving on the balance cock and bridges. Interesting class of watches. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
I've had a Sinn 103 for quite some time. A nice watch. The escape wheel broke from impact about a year ago and since I got the repair bill, I've been more careful with it.
Hi Jonathan, I've been down that road myself. If a watch breaks, the repair bill can be heavy. On the other hand, my latest watch service/repair/overhaul, came back to me like a brand new watch! Expensive, but in this case, worth it. Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
Gilbert, I've decided when a mechanical watch is 2 seconds slow per day, I don't 'lose' those seconds but my faithful watch is saving them for me, and some day all those saved will be returned to me when I need them most! (It helps to be delusional when you're a watch collector...) Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Thanks, Bill, for those words of encouragement! I’ll try to look at it that way. Be well, and keep up your excellent channel; I am learning quite a lot from you!
For dressier watches, Phil, (which I too prefer) the German watchmakers, Lang & Heyne, A. Lange & Söhn, and Moritz Grossmann are the tops. For mid-priced dress watches Glashütte Original have many nice ones. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Now my interest is piqued about what happened with Jacquet Sr. Both Sinn and Damasko seem to be solid choices in the $1,500-$2,500 range. Somehow I lean more towards Sinn, but I have nothing against Damasko. The restrictions on ETA movements is surely what drove Tudor to establish Kenissi as their movement supplier. Kenissi supplies a few others but their movements must cost a lot more than ETA. I assume Sellita is working overtime to meet demand, as the supply of ETAs dries up. Seems like there is an opportunity for another movement manufacturer. Perhaps Eterna will step up?
Hey Ced, check this out for the low down on Jean-Pierre Jaquet. ( www.jckonline.com/editorial-article/arrest-of-jaquet-sa-boss-stirs-swiss-watch-business/ ) It's not a matter of being a crook in Switzerland; it's a matter of how one is a crook. I'm not sure if Kenissi SA was established by Tudor originally or they bought a big hunk of it creating the caliber in their 2015 North Flag, but it may have been around before that supplying sapphire glass for the general watch business. It's such an interesting company, though, that I've doing a VestPocket video on it soon. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Thanks! I’m super interested in the history of Kenissi. I’ve read articles that said it was owned by “a mysterious industrialist” and they hint that it was the guy who supplies crystals to much of the Swiss watch industry. Tudor has done it’s best to keep Kenissi hidden, as well as the fact that they source all of their parts (from Swiss suppliers). When I comment on forums that Tudor is an assembly, testing, and marketing company I get excoriated, despite that I also say they make top quality watches for the price point. Maybe you can also include discussion on the Tudor service method, which is to swap out movements and replace them with refurbished movements. So your movement will be refurbished and eventually end up in someone else’s watch.
Damasko used to supply cases to Sinn... Also Damasko’s in-house movements are verifiably produced in Germany! While I respect Sinn, I’d choose Damasko for now...
I think that any German watch company that's been depending on ETA should seriously consider at least something they manufactured themselves, Moreshwar-Sinn would seem to have the resources to do so, and I'm glad to see Damasko take the first few steps. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
As an AD of Sinn I have studied it a lot. They make there own oil and they make some escapents themselves, but usely what you pay extra for is the capsel that takes away moisture on the inside of the watch + there DLC tetc. However the CEO Mr Smith would really like to make his own movement, but how close he is I do not know. I think thre is still a log way to go. Many sinns have 3 years and some 5 years warenty on them. A few has 2 years warenty.
Thank you André! The fact that they make their own lubricants and escapements (some anyway) is certainly a step in the right direction. This is especially true since ETA has cut off all but Swatch-owned companies. I'd really like to see a Sinn movement, and there's certainly no shortage of talent in Germany. Maybe they should bring in some first-rate talent like Rolf Lang to help them get started. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
Yes, I agree. I heard Sinn’s Diapal movement is oil-free. They use diamond tips on their escapement wheel which is highly resistant to ware and tare therefore it doesn’t need lubrication- according to Sinn.
The Concepto C99001 is new to Sinn in November, 2020 (last month!); so your watch may have the Valjoux 7750, depending on its release. Now here's the mystery Operamatt (...and Massive Hero) ... there's very little information on the Concepto C99001 itself. Of the calibers listed in the Concepto Watch factory web page (www.conceptowatch.ch); there's no information about the C99001.Their president, Valérien Jaquet, is the son of Jean-Pierre Jaquet, who was the namesake for Jaquet, S.A. After the "troubles" for Jean-Pierre Jaquet and he was banned from watchmaking and Jaquet, S.A. was taken over by the shareholders and re-named La Joux-Perret. At some point Valérien Jaquet founded Concepto up the road from where Jaquet, S.A. had been in La Chaux-de-Fonds. So, there's a fun mystery for Sinn lovers! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Hi Bill, a couple of weeks ago Damasko removed a great percentage of their watches from their website. I think it may have had something to do with the introduction of their new in house movement and maybe the ETA situation. I would say the ‘flieger’ watches in Germany are more commonly a nod to the dial layouts of the classic B-Uhren as opposed to functions like Gmt. In a way Sinn are the exception to that. Damasko had a few such watches and I am guessing they will return gradually with an in house movement (DA36 & Da38 were Damasko’s interpretation). Great tool watches. Cheers
Hey Luft! Thanks for the information. Got word that Sinn is working on an mfg. movement, and looking forward to see what Damasko does next. Wouldn't it be cool if Sinn hired Rolf Lang to help them develop a truly interesting movement? Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci TBH that would be very cool. I think a master watchmaker being associated with a new calibre would give it a boost out the blocks - but maybe only us watch nerds really care 😂
Tippy, I looked all over for more information on the Concepto 99001 and could not find anything, including at concepto.ch ... where did you see it? Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci Ive looked at videos of the sinn and found this article. A video that shows the movement looks like a 7750. "The movement in the Bolt-68 is the Caliber 99001 from Concepto Watch Factory in La Chaux-de-Fonds, a major area of Swiss watchmaking. Founded in 2006 by Valerien Jaquet, the company claims that all of it’s movements are completely manufactured in house. From what I can ascertain, they consider themselves a major competitor to the Swatch owned ETA brand. The 99001 movement is 25 jewel, self winding with a 48 hour power reserve and is 28,800 vph. In my limited time with the watch, the movement performs well. " It has the same amount of jewel and same spec as a 7750. microbrandwatchworld.com/reviews/bomberg-bolt-68-now-for-something-completely-different/#:~:text=The%20movement%20in%20the%20Bolt-68%20is%20the%20Caliber,of%20it%E2%80%99s%20movements%20are%20completely%20manufactured%20in%20house. it has the similar spec to the 7750 by appearance and spec so it is no doubt a 7750 inspired at most.
Apar, love that Meisterbund with the UWD 33.1 ... but not for a dress watch. It looks like a business/executive watch ... and a mighty fine one at that. It's a watch I'd dearly love to own, but not as a dress watch...an everyday watch. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Hi, i love your videos and knowledge, could i ask if you would recommend one or the other? I am looking at spending up to £2000 and have narrowed it down to these two brands.
@@gregcarnall9097 When I saw the British £ pound sign, I assumed you were in England, and to avoid import taxes I suggested the CW with the SH 21. Whether CW litters eBay or not, they did develop their own movement. Given a broader choice, in your price range, how do you like the Damasko - DK3X with Damasko caliber A26-1 ... www.watchmann.com/proddetail.php?prod=DK30OceanB&campaign=234711563&content=43780210283&keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAiA3L6PBhBvEiwAINlJ9CJToKLN-Lrdd48WhrK3pAfTX40PWl3kIkKPPPT-6iGocrM12vnOJhoCR50QAvD_BwE. Good hunting, Bill
Thank you very much Bill, I always enjoy looking at German watches :D I was going to buy 104 St G, that green look is awesome, but it sold out fast. I am more biased towards the Sinn, the R500, EZM-12, and the 356 Flieger II with the Salmon dial are my favorite three watches from Sinn. Take care, stay safe, and healthy.
I didn't realize that the 356 Flieger II was a pilot's watch... I was just thinking how cool the Salmon dial looked, Abdul! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci no Bill, it was between Zenith 21 ,GO seaQ ,but I finally went with the PAM 1033 ,my next watch will be a German watch ,I was planning a trip to Glashutte before lockdown, GO make great watches, thanks
well for the most part Damasko has a self developed in house movement now with some interesting self developed parts (silicone spring etc.) and Sinn has not yet (as far as i know) and in contrast to the usual development in the watch industry, Damasko did not (yet) translate that into pricing up all of their watches while Sinn without this kind of development (not that they do nothing, just not a movment) priced up quite significant ... wow a much too long sentence ... so if this makes sense in this stupidly long sentence Damasko did better (to my taste) in starting their own simple inhouse movements to get along better in high quality wtachmaking. If anyone gets the meaning of what I wanted to say ... Bravo! BTW nice work in this chanel.
They say that is from special steel built for salty water resistance . The truth is that mine is from 2015 and until now no scratches . I am careful though but anyway is true. The other thing for these watches is that they are practically indestructible . because they are newcomers the service is very good and affordable prices. Cheers BiLL!!!
@@watchartsci I didn’t mean to be so dramatic, lol. After looking into their designs and constructions, I noticed that everything’s overbuilt (except the lume:) to lasts decades with minimal servicing. Their manufacturer movements mainly addressed the weaknesses of the ETA’s. Taking from my days in architecture, they’re architectural engineers, but unfortunately, not architectural designers. I think design is what’s holding them back.
Many pulse watches are expensive to the layman, these watches are principally used by doctors to determine heart ♥️ rate in a jiffy. Specialized tool = specialized price.
Yes they are John. That EZM is my favorite Sinn. Have you seen the Jaeger-LeCoultre True Second? Same kind of jumping second. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
It's not High Horology, Tim, but "junk?" There are a range of quality, and Damasko has developed their own movement; Sinn development of watches like their EZM Air Rescue is both well done and very interesting. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Hi Bill, very coincidental that you do a vid on Damasko as I've just ordered the A26 movement. Only €400 more than the Swiss movement equivalent. Check out tommlab.de for another great German watchmaker. Cheers.
Thanks FM! I know two great German watchmakers in Marco and Rolf Lang personally, but whomever put that Chronoswiss movement together is someone I'd like to meet. Is that a 1 or 2.5Hz? The animation shows a very impressive movement! Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
Another great comparison video. While I’ve never owned either brand, they both have the reputation of building tank tough and reliable watches. Thanks as always Bill, be well and stay safe.
@@watchartsci Political opponents, jihadists, Islamists, rebels (supported by USA, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Rusia,...), Kurdish, Islamic State (ISIS), Hezbollah ... I may forget some other groups.
@@watchartsci You can check with your own eyes. www.google.es/search?q=damasco&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwifq633ic3tAhU4gc4BHX_5AEQQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=damasco&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIFCAAQsQMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAOgQIABAeOgcIIxDqAhAnOgQIABBDOggIABCxAxCDAVD2qAJYkL0CYJW_AmgBcAB4BIABkgKIAbMQkgEFMC44LjSYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ7ABCsABAQ&sclient=img&ei=biXXX5-8JriCur4P__KDoAQ&bih=657&biw=1349&hl=es
@10:50 the Sinn EZM 'Air Rescue' looks suspiciously close to the Singer: k8q7r7a2.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Singer-Track-1-Hong-Kong-Edition-Black-Ceramic-aluminum-4.jpg
Hi Bill!
Sinn had their finger crossed while saying in other models than your choices stating that it was xyz movement but where Selita based chronograph based on the Valjoux 7750, while on the 7750 subject: earlier models had less jewels thus more wear and tear, ETA had to separate itself from the heard so the increased the 44 hours power reserve to 60 hours. These movements were sold to higher-end watch manufacturers. Sinn put a power reserve indicator on a dial to make things cooler. When buying it’s worthwhile to do a small research for chrono. watches which price can range from $2000-$15,000 range but has the same motor inside the 7750🧐
Yes, indeed John. If you don't do your horological homework, you pay the price. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Your knowledge has always left me in awe.
Great videos and I look forward to the next one.
Thanks Jinx, but you know that all my knowledge just comes from enjoying watches and finding out about them. None of this is rocket science! Take care and be safe, Bill😷
My understanding is that Damasko either used to work for Sinn or used to make cases for Sinn... Damasko also has a pretty neat stem assembly and an anti-shock inner case...
I own both a Sinn and a Damasko. Both are simple three-handers. On their higher tier watches, Damasko will do things like modify the mainspring or make other subtle changes to the movement to increase that anti-magnetism properties of their watches. Both very tool-y, fun casual watches.
Eggsll in the best case, their quality competition will lead to better watches for both companies. Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
Sinn and also Damasko is a bit expensive for us in Germany. We have to pay the VAT. Only the Sinn 104 is good. You can't get good discounts for the EZM or other Sinns. Just 3% or something like that. I strongly prefer a Longines Avigation for 2k (street) than a DC56 for 2k or a Sinn Chrono for 3k-4k. Or I save a bit more and take a used Breguet.
Yeah, MP, that 20% VAT is a killer. It's only about 7.7% in Switzerland, no? Can you just motor over the border to visit the Swiss watch shops selling German watches? Or is the considered smuggling?😉 Take care and be safe, Bill😷
Hi Bill,
I really enjoy your videos. Even though I have subscribed to your channel, some times I forget to hit the like button. Many apologies for that. I guess I have to make it a habit to hit the like button before I start watching it. In my opinion, I think Sinn’s 356 Pilot is a far better companion for Damasco’s DC 56. I’m actually split between these two as to which one to buy for myself.
Sinn 356 is offering Selita calibre in steel case at much higher price where as Damasco DC56 offers Valjoux caliber in a much harder steel case (ice-hardened as they call it) with their own patented technology for crown and pusher layout. Also Damesco advertises that their pushers can even be used underwater.
They both have 10 atm water resistance.
All in all DC56 seems to offer much more value than Sinn’s 356 Pilot.
I would love to have your insights.
🤔
My only experience with a German watch is in the form of my 417 manual wind Hanhart reissue based on a 1950s original milspec for the German military) chronograph with a 7750. It has been impeccable despite its value price. If I were to be looking in the under $3000 space, I would not hesitate to look at either Sinn and Damasko. While I have or have had divers like the Ploprof 1200M, the Grand Seiko SBGA229, aPanerai, an orange dialed classic Doxa and aSeiko Great White Shark, the range of Sinn dive watches, the sophistication (including oil filled quartz movement watches which would not be your thing and mechanical beauties like the Sinn U1 which is a visually stunning $2300 automatic movement reference) and the reputed build quality combined with the price would cause me to seriously consider Sinn. For somebody who wants a quality three watch collection for a total of $5000 to $6000 that he could wear proudly for years without feeling that he “settled” as to quality, it is hard not to look at either Sinn or Damasko or other mid priced German brands like Muhle Glasuuttte or Hanhart. The value proposition of mid priced German brands appears to be excellent. I have handled Muhle Glashutte and a few Sinns but I have never handled a Damasko. You have to hunt down German watches at ADs or go through Watchbuys which is the North American distributor for Sinn, Hanhart and other brands and follows an online store instead of an AD point of sale model.
Hi Howard, the Germans have an interesting "High Finished - Standard Horology" class of watches, Hanhart being one. I prefer the hand wound ETA 6497/8 models with lots of engraving on the balance cock and bridges. Interesting class of watches. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
I've had a Sinn 103 for quite some time. A nice watch. The escape wheel broke from
impact about a year ago and since I got the repair bill, I've been more
careful with it.
Hi Jonathan, I've been down that road myself. If a watch breaks, the repair bill can be heavy. On the other hand, my latest watch service/repair/overhaul, came back to me like a brand new watch! Expensive, but in this case, worth it. Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
Thanks Bill,
I have a Sinn 857 UTC and it is tank tough and is currently losing about 2 secs/day. Sinn builds an honest tool watch.
Gilbert, I've decided when a mechanical watch is 2 seconds slow per day, I don't 'lose' those seconds but my faithful watch is saving them for me, and some day all those saved will be returned to me when I need them most! (It helps to be delusional when you're a watch collector...) Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Thanks, Bill, for those words of encouragement! I’ll try to look at it that way. Be well, and keep up your excellent channel; I am learning quite a lot from you!
German watches have really captured my attention of late. I prefer the dressier look myself, but their design and build quality are noteworthy.
For dressier watches, Phil, (which I too prefer) the German watchmakers, Lang & Heyne, A. Lange & Söhn, and Moritz Grossmann are the tops. For mid-priced dress watches Glashütte Original have many nice ones. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Now my interest is piqued about what happened with Jacquet Sr. Both Sinn and Damasko seem to be solid choices in the $1,500-$2,500 range. Somehow I lean more towards Sinn, but I have nothing against Damasko. The restrictions on ETA movements is surely what drove Tudor to establish Kenissi as their movement supplier. Kenissi supplies a few others but their movements must cost a lot more than ETA. I assume Sellita is working overtime to meet demand, as the supply of ETAs dries up. Seems like there is an opportunity for another movement manufacturer. Perhaps Eterna will step up?
Hey Ced, check this out for the low down on Jean-Pierre Jaquet. ( www.jckonline.com/editorial-article/arrest-of-jaquet-sa-boss-stirs-swiss-watch-business/ ) It's not a matter of being a crook in Switzerland; it's a matter of how one is a crook. I'm not sure if Kenissi SA was established by Tudor originally or they bought a big hunk of it creating the caliber in their 2015 North Flag, but it may have been around before that supplying sapphire glass for the general watch business. It's such an interesting company, though, that I've doing a VestPocket video on it soon. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Thanks! I’m super interested in the history of Kenissi. I’ve read articles that said it was owned by “a mysterious industrialist” and they hint that it was the guy who supplies crystals to much of the Swiss watch industry. Tudor has done it’s best to keep Kenissi hidden, as well as the fact that they source all of their parts (from Swiss suppliers). When I comment on forums that Tudor is an assembly, testing, and marketing company I get excoriated, despite that I also say they make top quality watches for the price point. Maybe you can also include discussion on the Tudor service method, which is to swap out movements and replace them with refurbished movements. So your movement will be refurbished and eventually end up in someone else’s watch.
Damasko used to supply cases to Sinn...
Also Damasko’s in-house movements are verifiably produced in Germany!
While I respect Sinn, I’d choose Damasko for now...
I think that any German watch company that's been depending on ETA should seriously consider at least something they manufactured themselves, Moreshwar-Sinn would seem to have the resources to do so, and I'm glad to see Damasko take the first few steps. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
As an AD of Sinn I have studied it a lot. They make there own oil and they make some escapents themselves, but usely what you pay extra for is the capsel that takes away moisture on the inside of the watch + there DLC tetc. However the CEO Mr Smith would really like to make his own movement, but how close he is I do not know. I think thre is still a log way to go. Many sinns have 3 years and some 5 years warenty on them. A few has 2 years warenty.
Thank you André! The fact that they make their own lubricants and escapements (some anyway) is certainly a step in the right direction. This is especially true since ETA has cut off all but Swatch-owned companies. I'd really like to see a Sinn movement, and there's certainly no shortage of talent in Germany. Maybe they should bring in some first-rate talent like Rolf Lang to help them get started. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci Take care and merry christmas. BTW Sinn makes some oil free ecsapements. On those watches called "Diapal" there are 5 years warenty.
Yes, I agree. I heard Sinn’s Diapal movement is oil-free. They use diamond tips on their escapement wheel which is highly resistant to ware and tare therefore it doesn’t need lubrication- according to Sinn.
picked up a the green sinn 103 and have had questions about the movement. seems like a 7750 but sinn claims it’s not. thanks for clearing it up .
The Concepto C99001 is new to Sinn in November, 2020 (last month!); so your watch may have the Valjoux 7750, depending on its release. Now here's the mystery Operamatt (...and Massive Hero) ... there's very little information on the Concepto C99001 itself. Of the calibers listed in the Concepto Watch factory web page (www.conceptowatch.ch); there's no information about the C99001.Their president, Valérien Jaquet, is the son of Jean-Pierre Jaquet, who was the namesake for Jaquet, S.A. After the "troubles" for Jean-Pierre Jaquet and he was banned from watchmaking and Jaquet, S.A. was taken over by the shareholders and re-named La Joux-Perret. At some point Valérien Jaquet founded Concepto up the road from where Jaquet, S.A. had been in La Chaux-de-Fonds. So, there's a fun mystery for Sinn lovers! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
As far as I am aware, submarine steel is a low alloy steel which makes it extra corrosion resistant. It was originally developed for submarines.
Thanks Mr Chippinator! That would make sense in use for a diver or actually any sports watch. Take care, Bill
Bill ,love the bonnet
You mean my beret? Thanks man. Bill
@@watchartsci haha yes sorry
@@watchartsci bonnet means cap or beret in Scottish
Hi Bill, a couple of weeks ago Damasko removed a great percentage of their watches from their website. I think it may have had something to do with the introduction of their new in house movement and maybe the ETA situation. I would say the ‘flieger’ watches in Germany are more commonly a nod to the dial layouts of the classic B-Uhren as opposed to functions like Gmt. In a way Sinn are the exception to that. Damasko had a few such watches and I am guessing they will return gradually with an in house movement (DA36 & Da38 were Damasko’s interpretation). Great tool watches. Cheers
Hey Luft! Thanks for the information. Got word that Sinn is working on an mfg. movement, and looking forward to see what Damasko does next. Wouldn't it be cool if Sinn hired Rolf Lang to help them develop a truly interesting movement? Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci TBH that would be very cool. I think a master watchmaker being associated with a new calibre would give it a boost out the blocks - but maybe only us watch nerds really care 😂
The concepto 99001 seems to be 7750 based, clone or at least inspired.
Btw, Formex might be a good Swiss comparison/alternative to Damasko/Sinn
Tippy, I looked all over for more information on the Concepto 99001 and could not find anything, including at concepto.ch ... where did you see it? Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci Ive looked at videos of the sinn and found this article. A video that shows the movement looks like a 7750.
"The movement in the Bolt-68 is the Caliber 99001 from Concepto Watch Factory in La Chaux-de-Fonds, a major area of Swiss watchmaking. Founded in 2006 by Valerien Jaquet, the company claims that all of it’s movements are completely manufactured in house. From what I can ascertain, they consider themselves a major competitor to the Swatch owned ETA brand. The 99001 movement is 25 jewel, self winding with a 48 hour power reserve and is 28,800 vph. In my limited time with the watch, the movement performs well.
" It has the same amount of jewel and same spec as a 7750.
microbrandwatchworld.com/reviews/bomberg-bolt-68-now-for-something-completely-different/#:~:text=The%20movement%20in%20the%20Bolt-68%20is%20the%20Caliber,of%20it%E2%80%99s%20movements%20are%20completely%20manufactured%20in%20house.
it has the similar spec to the 7750 by appearance and spec so it is no doubt a 7750 inspired at most.
what about the dress watch category ....Sinn MEISTERBUND...?
Apar, love that Meisterbund with the UWD 33.1 ... but not for a dress watch. It looks like a business/executive watch ... and a mighty fine one at that. It's a watch I'd dearly love to own, but not as a dress watch...an everyday watch. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Really enjoyable video, thank you! Stay safe
Hey Break Time, thanks man! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Hi, i love your videos and knowledge, could i ask if you would recommend one or the other? I am looking at spending up to £2000 and have narrowed it down to these two brands.
Greg, in that price range, you can get a very nice Christopher Ward with an SH21 movement. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci You would choose a CW over Sinn & Damasko? that's surprising, ebay it littered with cheap CW watches :)
@@gregcarnall9097 When I saw the British £ pound sign, I assumed you were in England, and to avoid import taxes I suggested the CW with the SH 21. Whether CW litters eBay or not, they did develop their own movement. Given a broader choice, in your price range, how do you like the Damasko - DK3X with Damasko caliber A26-1 ... www.watchmann.com/proddetail.php?prod=DK30OceanB&campaign=234711563&content=43780210283&keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAiA3L6PBhBvEiwAINlJ9CJToKLN-Lrdd48WhrK3pAfTX40PWl3kIkKPPPT-6iGocrM12vnOJhoCR50QAvD_BwE. Good hunting, Bill
Thank you very much Bill, I always enjoy looking at German watches :D
I was going to buy 104 St G, that green look is awesome, but it sold out fast.
I am more biased towards the Sinn, the R500, EZM-12, and the 356 Flieger II with the Salmon dial are my favorite three watches from Sinn.
Take care, stay safe, and healthy.
I didn't realize that the 356 Flieger II was a pilot's watch... I was just thinking how cool the Salmon dial looked, Abdul! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Both good makes ,thanks
Hey Charlieboy, do you have any German watches? Happy New Year! 🥳Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci no Bill, it was between Zenith 21 ,GO seaQ ,but I finally went with the PAM 1033 ,my next watch will be a German watch ,I was planning a trip to Glashutte before lockdown, GO make great watches, thanks
well for the most part Damasko has a self developed in house movement now with some interesting self developed parts (silicone spring etc.) and Sinn has not yet (as far as i know) and in contrast to the usual development in the watch industry, Damasko did not (yet) translate that into pricing up all of their watches while Sinn without this kind of development (not that they do nothing, just not a movment) priced up quite significant ... wow a much too long sentence ... so if this makes sense in this stupidly long sentence Damasko did better (to my taste) in starting their own simple inhouse movements to get along better in high quality wtachmaking.
If anyone gets the meaning of what I wanted to say ... Bravo!
BTW nice work in this chanel.
Interesting points about Damasko Georg. Thank you. Take care, Bill
They say that is from special steel built for salty water resistance . The truth is that mine is from 2015 and until now no scratches . I am careful though but anyway is true. The other thing for these watches is that they are practically indestructible . because they are newcomers the service is very good and affordable prices. Cheers BiLL!!!
Hey Alex, I wouldn't mind having a watch with a case build from a German submarine hull....especially an affordable one! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Like Sinn EZM10 but for price just could not justify purchasing one.
That's true, SM ... in this case, though, for a mechanical watch, I think it's not too bad given its functionality. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Damasko is engineer’s watch.
Period.
Ok, KC. Period. 😉 Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci I didn’t mean to be so dramatic, lol.
After looking into their designs and constructions, I noticed that everything’s overbuilt (except the lume:) to lasts decades with minimal servicing. Their manufacturer movements mainly addressed the weaknesses of the ETA’s.
Taking from my days in architecture, they’re architectural engineers, but unfortunately, not architectural designers.
I think design is what’s holding them back.
Bill,how many watches do you own
About 15 or so, Charlieboy. Happy New Year! 🥳Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci where would you put Parmigiani on the scale of watches
Many pulse watches are expensive to the layman, these watches are principally used by doctors to determine heart ♥️ rate in a jiffy. Specialized tool = specialized price.
Yes they are John. That EZM is my favorite Sinn. Have you seen the Jaeger-LeCoultre True Second? Same kind of jumping second. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Junk Bill.
Nice video mate
It's not High Horology, Tim, but "junk?" There are a range of quality, and Damasko has developed their own movement; Sinn development of watches like their EZM Air Rescue is both well done and very interesting. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
Hi Bill, very coincidental that you do a vid on Damasko as I've just ordered the A26 movement. Only €400 more than the Swiss movement equivalent. Check out tommlab.de for another great German watchmaker. Cheers.
Thanks FM! I know two great German watchmakers in Marco and Rolf Lang personally, but whomever put that Chronoswiss movement together is someone I'd like to meet. Is that a 1 or 2.5Hz? The animation shows a very impressive movement! Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci its 4hz
Another great comparison video. While I’ve never owned either brand, they both have the reputation of building tank tough and reliable watches. Thanks as always Bill, be well and stay safe.
I was thinking the same thing Bruce. Tough watches made from submarine hulls! Something to wear during OctoberFest... Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
damasko all the way!
You make that clear Korsal! I like them both! Take care, Bill
Is Damasko still at war?.
With whom?
@@watchartsci Political opponents, jihadists, Islamists, rebels (supported by USA, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Rusia,...), Kurdish, Islamic State (ISIS), Hezbollah ... I may forget some other groups.
@@japd7897 What makes you think that Damasko is at war with these groups? Don't make stuff up, please.
@@watchartsci You can check with your own eyes.
www.google.es/search?q=damasco&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwifq633ic3tAhU4gc4BHX_5AEQQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=damasco&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIFCAAQsQMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAOgQIABAeOgcIIxDqAhAnOgQIABBDOggIABCxAxCDAVD2qAJYkL0CYJW_AmgBcAB4BIABkgKIAbMQkgEFMC44LjSYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ7ABCsABAQ&sclient=img&ei=biXXX5-8JriCur4P__KDoAQ&bih=657&biw=1349&hl=es
@@watchartsci Damasco www.icrc.org/es/document/damasco-rural-como-sigue-la-vida-despues-de-los-combates
@10:50 the Sinn EZM 'Air Rescue' looks suspiciously close to the Singer: k8q7r7a2.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Singer-Track-1-Hong-Kong-Edition-Black-Ceramic-aluminum-4.jpg
Yes, Forbin, when I saw that particular watch I was thinking Singer Reimagined with the AgenGraphe movement! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
:)
Ha Ha Veeeeeee! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷