Bike with engine (doped bike) and Cancellara (Roubaix - Vlaanderen)
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2010
- Video done by Michele Bufalino. Subtitles by Alberto Pinsino. in first part of this video Images from Rai but in second part, investigation by Michele Bufalino. This video shows how mechanic doping may be done. Do any professional cyclist use a bike with engine? In the video taken out from RAI, we'll see how the bike works. And we'll analyse recent great performances of Fabian Cancellara in Tour of Flanders and in Paris Roubaix, with images thay may be considered as incontrovertible evidences.
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For me the most damning evidence is the acceleration in PR - the first "attack". I had not seen this video before but was simply watching a replay of that race, i replayed it several times - the way FC "accelerates" away from the group is completely unnatural: his position on the bike does not change nor does his body language - compare that to TB when he finally realizes he has to chase - his entire body language changes - becomes tauter - as you might expect when a major effort is required. I really liked and admired FC - no more.
100% - because simply he just changes up gears and keeps the same cadence and the speed just pours on with no difference in effort. I personally think the last clip with Boonen is the most comical - Boonen, a great climber out the saddle and Cancellara - not a great climber, just sits down, doesn't change any position/demeanor and f--ing annihilates him up the steepest section of the climb. It's absolutely comical.
I'm skeptical about it all, I don't think the guy would actually wanna win like that.. And no Boonen wasn't a great climber, he was way too big for that and Tour of Flanders is mainly shorter hills, tough but not super long or v uphill.. Besides Cancellara has been great in many other races too, was he using an engined bike all those times?
Exactly. Comical is precisely the word I'd use. @@smooveXXX
There is also a video in french with former Vlaanderen winner Jacky Durand which show that Cancellara weirdly swapped bike twice in the race. For those who understand French you may search for "Cancellara n'a pas tout dit".
on one race Cancellara changed 5 bikes.
This is a great video. I've watched it many times. Each time it is clearer that Cancellara accelerates in an unnatural way, just like a tourist on a rented electric-assist bike. Too bad for his fans.
Interesting to observe his reduction in body movement as he accelerates. I would expect the extra effort to result in an increase in body movement, but I am not a cyclist.
There are lots of reasons for that to happen. From slight changes on the road to gear choice or even his own personal style
And out of the saddle ...no nothing
Cancellara is a time trial specialist meaning he can put out insane power whilst sitting in the same position.
@@abone2pick Riiiiight....
@@abone2pickLol yeah but a bust of speed while not really seeming to exert himself at all all while being seated ON A CLIMB….
The other thing that's deeply odd- his accelerations have none of the flow or rhythm of a normal breakaway. No one even tries to jump on his wheel to see if they can hang with him- they just get totally and completely dropped in the space of just a few m, or he's past them before they even realize what's going on!
+graupel What's more, without even standing up.
+graupel And he always waits until he has a clear path in front of him ... so he doesn't knock over any other riders with his turbo bike!
+graupel , Past week I was watching a cycling program on tv in Belgium with Tom Boonen, Jan Bakelandts and 2 other guests , they discussed this topic about Cancallara ....Boonen said ; I k never saw such an escape again in my hole career .... . And the fact that he changed his bike for 3 times , the last time was 15 km before the finnish while there was nothing wrong with it ?
Tulpenijntje He changed his bike 3 times! Wow! Even more evidence!
well, it most likely was something wrong with the bike. Empty battery, the small battery of that kind of motor only lasts 30-40 minutes under full throttle.
In that last video (the cobblestones attack), not only does Cancellara show superhuman acceleration, he breaks basic laws of physics. Well done!
Going over cobbles was a smart way to do it too, since the sound of the motor is hidden more by the sound of bumps and crowds chanting. Also, notice how Fabian is not climbing out of the saddle, since it could break the motor.
On cobbles on % gradient you completely loose the power if you go out saddle, Why because you dont have enough weight on the backwheel to go on gradient cobble - cobbles are slippery, and the constant variation of grip makes standing up on slopes very bad as soon as you do that you loose power to the wheel. Boonen must have been cooked at this point since he did it.
However yeah the climb looked quite strange.
@@TellusJD just wanted to say, it's been two years since I left that comment. I was an amateur at that time and now I kind of know something; I completely retract what I said. There's no way he was using a motor.
@@TheMASDrummer I see, what made you change the viewpoint? In terms of not using motor?
@@TellusJD quite impossible to hide a motor inside a road bike in 2010 when most 2023 e-bikes have a huge ass motor AND battery
@@martinbogadomartinesi5135 there is small motors in existence that do give power for a limited amount of time but all the accusations I have seen on pro riders I dont see anything concrete and pretty much look at it as BS. Knowing that they test the frames and check for hidden motors on riders regularly. It would be such a bad PR situation for a team to have had a motor in one of their bikes, it would be game over for sponsors etc.
1 person has been caught in all of cycling history and that was cyclo cross not road cycling. and as far as I know it was not the bike she used in the race (female cycling.)
I think the guy with the white helmet(3:45) is also cheating.
lmao
I know one of the riders in that break quite well, he laughed and said they were actually going quite slow 32kmph just at that point + FC looks like he is going really quick but its relative to the speed the break were going just then, he said they all waited to see what Boonen would do, hence by the time he reacted FC was gone
Lance Armstrong And this is the truth -- it really is this simple. It's so obvious in the video that they were going 'sow', and nobody wanted to chase -- they were still 50KM out. If Wiggins wins the 2015 edition, he'll probably need to try and do this too. The problem with going for it from this far out is that if you get caught again you'll be totally burnt out so there's no chance of a win.
That’s NOT 32 kph!
Lol as if thats 32km/h. 😂
Fun fact : in that period nobody found this extreme acceleration suspicious. Now it is so obvious.
Right comment
Is it? Do you always believe in rumours?
They did though. Boonen talked about it a lot.
Thanks for the video! My daily German newspaper (Rheinische Post) mentioned it. Cancellara's explosion looks COMPLETELY unnatural. It looks freaky! I don't think you could achieve that naturally or even with biological doping. I can't recall ever seeing such a successful attack and I've been watching cycling on TV for years. It's a demonstration of strength and the competition is too tough to be sooo much better than the rest.
Every time Cancellara reaches over to "manipulate" his right handlebar, there soon follows an impressive sudden "burst" of energy that propels him unnaturally forward... very suspect.
+swish1onu
Well he also need to change gear... So it might be, but also might not be.
EarendilTheBlessed... Is that where the gear shift is located?
swish1onu
Well I was refering to the "every time". If you were only talking about the 2 times in this video... idk. But usually, if I wanna pass someone, I'll also reach at mu handlebar to change gear.
Not to mention his effort vs. his competitors in these videos makes any feat by Armstrong or Contador look pathetic. It looks like he isn't even trying.
+AgendaTwenty-Fun true, out of all the evidence that stood out the most, like on that uphill @ flanders it just looked unbelievable
4:30 HE'S SHIFTING LOL
The way he attacked Boonen leaves me to question whether he's got a motor. There's no way you can just attack Boonen that easily when Boonen himself doesn't look like he's struggling to put down power. That and being in the saddle.
People have argued about motor noise. The noise can vary depending on power. A 50w motor won't be very loud. In fact, your drivetrain is probably louder than a 50w motor. In reality, all you need is 30w to actually create a gap and with crowd noise it probably cannot be heard.
+Yo-yo Cancellara was actually 2 seconds slower up that climb than Wilco Kelderman was when they climbed it during the Tour de France. Cancellara is a specialist in these climbs, Kelderman is too light to be good at cobbles. Flanders is a one day race, there had already been several days of hard racing before in the Tour, and Kelderman as a GC contender would've been mildly fatigued. And Boonen himself admitted later that he was cramping up. On top of that, standing on cobbles is a bad idea as it puts your power to the road less effectively. Cancellara is a time trialist, he is used to hammering down the power while remaining seated. I can't say he doesn't use a motor, nor can I that he does. Just wanted to make a case for the opposing side.
+SirPrizeMF thank you for saying. The amount of haters here and pro bikers is ridiculous. Talking whitout knowledge, always searching what's wrong in this sport while everything is wrong in other sports. Also Boonen has never regained the same form he had when he won his first Paris-Roubaix.
+SirPrizeMF Per wikipedia, Kelderman is 143 lbs, Cancellara 179 lbs. It's not normal for heavy riders to be climbing same time. The similarities of this climb in Flanders with the belgian's U23 CX are very (too) similar, sadly.
It's a very short climb. that added 35 pounds is all muscle. Cancellara is capable of a much greater short-term effort.
no you cannot hear a sine wave controller @all! all my neighborhood will attest to that... it's super fast, super smooth and SUPER QUIET, I even have a completely silent mxus 350w geared hub powered ebike encased in my rear mag wheel that is practically invisible too. It's silent but for the drive train and freewheeling sounds and does 25mph solo and upto 30mph pedalling.
If they let me race him on it! I'd win too, HANDS DOWN on an EMtb lol
I'm not a cycle racer but I am a keen cyclist. This booster is a wonderful invention. Retrofitable, sealed from the elements, able to connect to external battery packs in bidon's or backrack. Add an intelligent blue tooth controller and what a marvellous range and hill booster for an old-fart cyclist like me. This could extend my serious cycling another decade or two into my 80s. Where can I buy one?
At 3:34 to 3:38 he is clearly out of the saddle, then sits on a wheel to quickly hyperventilate before that massive surge. To me it looked like the three up front were looking back, so they would be decelerating while FC was accelerating.
And his cadence VERY clearly increases.
First attack doesn't raise too many red flags for me. The other riders were looking around and slowing up and he put the hammer down in a big gear. The hand motion in slow motion shoes his shift lever moving as well grabbing a larger gear. So that doesn't concern me. However, there was no shift lever action when he rode away from Bonen. It got steeper, his cadence never changed, and really wasn't struggling at all... Against Bonen. Unless we Chalk that one up to superb gearing and power, that one looks a bit funny to me.
3:03 hmmm very quiet, no one would notice....
I am not a "professional" rider, but after riding for several years, you have to wonder how he can accelerate so quickly without changing his position on the bike (even if he does not get out of the saddle as was referred to before). A good "time trialer" (like Cancellara) can accelerate rather quickly, but you would notice more "pull" on the handle bars or a forward movement on the seat to assist with his increase in torque on the peddles. You don't see any of this when watching the videos.
I ride a motorized bike daily and used to race. An additional 100-200w would give you the extra power to kick ass and take names especially in the hills. Now my bike isn't a racer but it is 3 hp and I do keep up with the road cyclists. Chancellara's bike at an additional 100w to 250w would be hard but not impossible to hide. This is totally do-able.
In a field of world class riders, no one accelerates away like that. Not even Lance could do that on high octane platelets. The first clip from overhead, way too dramatic to be real pedal power. Dirty +1
+Leonardo Willi His whole body postures seems off as well... As a semi pro cyclist myself, and after all the years of watching cycling, it just doesn't look natural at all... Cancellara is an incredible cyclist, but that seems odd...
You obviously haven't seen any clips from Eddy Merckx accelerating away. But then again, he was way, way better than anybody before or after him...
Correction:
Not even a blood-doped Armstrong could do that.
+Jan-Harm van der Merwe His position seems fine to me, riders with naturally dominant glutes and hamstrings + moderate forward pelvic tilt will find it easier to accelerate and do power climbs sitting down with their hands on the tops. When Boonen and Cancellara are side by side you can see the natural difference in their styles, Boonen relies much more on his quads, which are more susceptible to tie up on a climb like that.The video is too poor to see what exactly he is doing with his right hand.
You're a dumbass little bitch.
Maybe he is using KERS: Kinetic Energy Recovery System, which is harnessing waste energy created under braking and transforming it into electrical energy, providing an additional 60kW of power for up to 6.67 seconds.
which weights 30kg
60 kw would win a sprint finish if the chain didn't fall off/break!
Stunning. Can’t believe I never saw it before nor wondered.
the second passing scene in particular, the Flanders one, shows him sitting down while the other guy stands up to push harder.. but the guy sitting down just POWERS past the other guy, without looking like he's making any more effort than he was just a few seconds before... and I agree with Intraurban, a cordless drill motor could make this much power easily.
guess what, the first person was cought yesterday with a motor in her bike in the women world championship of cyclocross, so it is entirely possible more contestants are using it
Holy shit i just saw that too! Makes me look at this cancellara video in a different light...
I saw it also. finally brings to light all the people saying its way to big and hard to hide a motor. why wouldn't they try this? when there willing to take drugs
+Dieter Schoofs you can view a video of it in use: it's on the koppenberg where she suddenly has a massive acceleration.
There is already another female biker (the one finishing second place) who said that it was really suspicious how the girl femke vandendriesche rode up that hill.
@Fellow accelerationist 6 years ban (in reality, her career is over) and 20K fine.
Hopefully she was banned for life from cycling.
This guy is clearly cheating. I can't explain it but @6:00 He's not even pumping or getting thrust. How is this guy gaining speed moving up hill with no effort? The other guy is standing on his pedals and Fabian is looks like he's just riding in the park.
then how would you explain that cyclist in the race could "not" hear the high pitch of the electric motor. at the first powerful pullout he performed. these cheating methods is only used when driving at steady rpm. not with pullouts these motors would burn up in seconds or not even help a bit, cause the Strenght of the driver is way more.
and that hillclimb did not say anything because he just kept the same gear while the other pushed down a gear, it only reflects that the other couldnt get up to speed with a lower gear. his mistake to make not the other.
but that is just my point of view.
+Wensis Rompas look up "specialized turbo s" ebikes make no noise
+johnnyinsnj You should have stopped at "I can't explain it". Everything you wrote after it is a pile of crap.
+Wensis Rompas The crowds are loud so in that case it is a perfect scenario to use a motor. All the rider needs is 100 watts or 150 watts to actually create a significant gap on Boonen. 100w or 150w motors are not loud at all. And Greg Lemond demonstrated that 250 watt motor for 40 minutes on a standard roadbike is possible.
+Dino Alberini Femke Van den Driessche just got caught cheating with a hidden motor. That makes the accusation in this video plausible yes? Watch that last part of the video Fabian going uphill. Guy behind him is off his seat struggling, while Fabian is seated and increasing his lead.
@DeadmausasLTU Well I'm glad you cleared that one up for us!
@NicolaiResch Wow that's clever, did you figure that sentense out all by yourself?
he don't says "50" km/h, but "60" km/h!!!
lol. The last video clearly shows he's playing funny. The other guy is struggling and had to stand.
@viking1324 the thing is, it is sold worldwide, it has even been on a tv show, they showed everything, and how it workerd. I never suspected cancellara, but I must admit that it IS possible however....
So it perfectly fits in the tube and is very silent. It's sad to admit that...
@Mightymoe777 because sitting in helps keep the rear wheel steady, while standing up would only cause the wheel to drift so the power can't fully come through.
Sorry folks he's just shifting.
Now this doesn't seem so far fetched. I never dismissed the possibility of this being true, but I wanted to give Cancellara and the other riders the benefit of the doubt. Now, I am not so sure. If it's not body doping, it's equipment doping. When will this stop?
+davd1986 If you ask me sports such as cycling and athletics need to be split into two categories. Natural and doped.
Natural competitors would be very strictly tested to ensure that they are not doping or cheating in any way, if they are caught it would result in them being banned for life immediately.
Doped competitors could use whatever medical or technological methods they like to achieve peak performance.
Personally I'd love to see it happen, because you'd get to see what the maximum that can be achieved by a human is, and then in the doped category the maximum that can be achieved by a human with modern science behind them.
+davd1986 it's just not possible to produce that amount of surge in power so RAPIDLY whilst STILL in the saddle in such a short amount of time and space. This is a motor and this video proves it.
+AJSBristol That would be impossible. If they were divided, who would actually admit that they dope, and if it happened, where would the dopers get their money from? There would be no sponsors nor races who would finance that.
Its proper term is "mechanical doping".
where can i get one of these? this is freak'n brilliant
Una grande opera di ingegneria. Complimenti a ingegneri e meccanici.
A seat tube motor would be more useful for putting in an extra 50 watts or so, to prevent hill climb fatigue - rather than an extreme boost of speed - e.g. something practically useless for propelling the bike by itself, but makes the difference between good and great.
There are some small high RPM electric motors that are very powerful for their size - such as in drills or high tech RC cars reaching up to 500 watts. These would work with sufficient gear reduction, although high RPM motors are more noisy - which would be a dead giveaway!
It is possible to get superior acceleration by sitting down and downshifting than by standing up.
This doesn't prove anything, of course, but it does make Cancellara look very suspicious.
If I had been boonen I would wanted that bike looked at after the race before it went back to the team mechanics!
If I had been boonen I would wanted that bike looked at after the race before it went back to the team mechanics!
Great idea for mtbers looking to get up hills easier. who makes this engine? how much does it wiegh? where can further information be found about it? what a great idea?
que ganas de ver en el tour este año a cris froome,esas pedaladas tan dinamicas son muy sospechosas,y contador de amarillo siii
Looks like an episode of Benny Hill as he just rides away from the others. I wonder how many of his wins have been real.
need to add the Benny Hill music at that moment in the video...
Rafal Pruszynski lmfao it is comical specially the shot of the other riders legs moving fast and yet he is way out there with the same leg movement lmfao.
@@danfuerthgillis4483 it's called gears
Francois Wattel or calf's lol.
Definitely a doped bike. Good video.
So after doing as much research as I could about bikes with hidden
motors, it seems that all of the companies that made them do not make
them publicly available. Moreover it's basically impossible buy any
since 2016-17 it seems as a regular consumer. Even just getting a
system by itself without buying a bike around it seemed to be very
difficult. Gruber made them, you can find a video clearly made by
Gruber showing it in a bike and how it works. Gruber is a legit company
that makes electric components for F1. These hidden motors clearly do
exist and are so hidden it appears that regular people will never be
able to access one.
Just one thing though, certainly the earlier versions of this motor made a very noticeable whirring/screaming noise. How did Cancellara get away with that? Maybe he only engaged the motor when the crowd noise was high?
4:44 you guys are BS. He was changing gear.
***** you think its impossible to shift gears on a hill? I can sprint up a hill at 25 mph while shifting up.
***** im comparing myself with everyone because we all humans. I don't care what race you are. Just respect everyone for who they are.
***** sorry man. I just can't stop comparing myself with others. It's just something I like to do and you will criticize me for it no matter what. If you like to criticize people then so be it. Doesn't matter what we all say.
***** He changed gear to go faster. That's why the gap opened up, he increased his effort. You can actually see the gear lever move across.
Roosevelt Truong No way! the guy changes gear to a lower one to get speed in a tough climb but doesn't even stand? (danseuse in french) How is this even possible??? And the acceleration is just insane. It's a electrical power, end of the story. Plus the other guy is obviously already having a hard time on this climb.
Wast this video made in 1981?
4:46. Well done for spotting him changing the gear. Surprise surprise the gear shift for SRAM is behind the brake lever and requires index/middle finger to actuate.
@jednoucelovy battery can be placed in the frame as well. Electromagnetic induction - ever heard of it?
I was at this past Paris Roubaix in April. I was there when Cancellara came back to his trailer and was standing around for about an hour as they took the bikes into the team trailer. It seems really unlikely to me that Cancellara would be able to get an entire support staff of mechanics in on this, the bikes were just sitting out in the open the entire time. I just think that the odds of this being the case are slim in comparison to the odds that Cancellara is just a beast.
Indeed, too much speculation, now even more but where is some real proof?
looks the most like an ordenary gear shift...
@astral360
That comment cracked me up, thanks for making my day. Good one!
5:55 : This is the hardest part of "De muur" (22%) and he just flies over it.
Makes me think twice...
Not even out the saddle
OK< at first I thought this was crazy, then this weekend two older women came riding next to me on E-bikes - and dropped me - looked just like this, sitting down and spinning fast - gone!
My father has an e-bike and power it has is quite big. It has a 250W and with my 300-400W would make me to overtake any pro at any climb. And it can be unlocked for 500W making it like a small motobike.
Awesome. I want one for my BMX. I wonder how much they cost?
@HikingPhotos2010 The bike is not heavier. The UCI minimum is 6.8 kg(15 lbs). You can already walk into your local bike shop and buy a 3kg(7 lb) bike. With this 1kg motor they can use lighter frameset and components and weigh-in at 6.8kg just like every other bike.
If the engine spins the cranks, why does the wheel turn by themselves when he switches it on at 0:33-0:34? Something fishy.
I agree very fishy
It was a cut edit though
All these comments saying he's not cheating reminds of everyone who tried to say lance wasn't doping... You have a MOUNTAIN of evidence pointing to this guy using a mechanical advantage and yet so many still try to convince the world otherwise. Want in one hand... shit in the other. see which fills up first. the guys a cheat.
The weight alone of the batteries and motor/drive would cause the cycle measurement officials of the race to ask questions. Not to mention the noise of the ring and pinion when the thing is engaged.
A small motor assisting the bottom bracket spindle might make a difference over a 40km time trial, but, again, those bike are very carefully inspected before the stage.
Within 10 years everyone is riding with batteries and flywheels and then they admire Cancellara for being such a clever guy and pioneer ...?
Ok, a little perspective here. I am not saying he is cheating with a motor here or not, in fact I don't think so (personally) BUT, think of it this way. For those of you saying it's preposterous the first point is we in actuality REALLY don't know what is going on for certain in the world of pro cycling on so many levels and second point, we still know that many (not all) pro cyclists will resort to injecting all sorts of crap into their bodies - why would it be so out of the realms of possibility that one would put something into a bike? (which for the record I would way rather 'dope' my bike than shove a needle into myself). Cancellara is a great rider and a favorite of many cycling fans - this also doesn't mean anything regarding artificial aiding of his performances. In a sport which was FILTHY prior to Armstrongs admission (and still not clean by any stretch of the imagination) as much as I like FC - could I also be certain he never has done ANYTHING in his career? Would I bet my house on it? Would you? That for me answers my question right there....
Their bikes are weighed and inspected. You would have a pretty hard time sneaking a motor past.
yes, NOW the bikes are stringently tested (bottom brackets taken apart etc) - but not so much back during this "episode". Also, you don't think it's possible to change a bike after a race before a "test"? Go read Willy Voet's book "Breaking the chain" about how cyclists used to cram condoms full of urine up their backsides with a tube running out of it underneath their dicks in order to bluff drug testers DIRECTLY in front of their eyes, Then tell me something isn't possible...
its so clear....the diference when he activates de engine it goes like a rocket, and the rest of the ciclyst stay back really bad...even he does not step up on the bike, so its so ridiculous....
What is telling is that about 3:35, he is riding out of the saddle to catch the back end of the last rider, then sits at the back of the paceline for a while before tearing round them whilst remaining seated!
Now one of the ways it is possible to accelerate faster sitting down than standing is to downshift, spinning at 135 rpm or so with a decent amount of force in the pedals and making good use of the "scraping mud off the shoe" technique at the bottom of the pedal stroke to add length to the downstroke and use extra muscles. I have noticed this during casual riding and I am by no means a racer.
The thing is, his cadence doesn't noticeably increase as if he's shifted into a lower gear, meaning he must generate more torque which is bound to be impossible to generate more torque sitting than standing as power is torque x cadence.
That's the point...
Everyone who actually raced and knows how to brake away sees what a joke this was.
You need to get you speed up fast and hold it for a while so they cannot hold your wheel.
He is just accelerating more and more to an insane level WHILE you see nothing from his body.
No pulling at the bars, no movement of hips, no getting out of the saddle which you have to do to get your watts up...
To catch them by surprise you have to start with a higher cadence, otherwise you gain speed to slowly.
I'm NOT a cyclist, but I can tell you this; the amount of batteries required to put out enough amperage to turn a motor that would pull a 175 pound man uphill at that speed is significant. Since these are endurance races, the added weight would be counter-productive compared to the very short-lived burst of torque this would produce.
The motor COULD do it, but the battery requirements make it an unworkable theory.
You must be kidding me... He just switches up a gear - of course he makes a gap to the rider next to him.
Haters gonna hate.
He is faster than the other riders = he is cheating!
I have to admit--very entertaining. If you look carefully in the paris roubaix race, cancellara doesn't particularly speed up--he maintains his speed. The OTHER riders actually ease up a bit which make it seem like fabian is accelerating on the saddle. In the flanders video, you can note how his leg speed (revolutions) change after the 'funny' hand movement. You can see that he's pushing a bigger gear after the normal gear change--standard thing to do when you want to hammer down and attack.
@intraurban Would really the engine running for a short time be beneficial if you have to carry its weight around the whole stage?
I'm thinking that electric whine and gear noise just might give it away.
But why not gear it such that it just provides a bit of help, like 25W once you've made a break and need to recover a bit. That might be silent enough to not hear it. The Flanders attack seemed less than a 200W boost.
Com on dude, you just can't go that fast after a sprint or at hill climbing. I know he is a great cyclist, but that was just too much. He doesn't even look tired.
Except...that's why he's called SPARTACUS. He's got a HISTORY of riding exactly LIKE this.
@@karipopovic6047 cannot be much more obvious he was cheating.
But people also wanted to believe in Lance. 😂👍
Cancellara is the engine. :)
With Cancellara looking down at this precise moment : excellent !
Impressive video.
What potato was this filmed with.
No matter what sacrifice's an individual may take to be the very best at what they do there will always be people sat on a couch pointing conspiracy theory's to justify the reason they are say on the couch.
yeah and you can clearly hear that motor
@drissc never did it again? You mean like winning both time trials in the TDF 2010 where they were doing bike scans?
@4000Mhz It won't pull both the bike and the man, but it will help augment the rider's power. In other words it will make it easier to pedal uphill since you don't need to pedal with as much force. Or, with the same amount of force you can go up a gear.
Don't forget that Cancellara changed his bike a few kilometers before the ultime attack (at roubaix and ronde van vlaanderen)
This has way, way, way too many downvotes... This is pretty obvious cheating. If there isn't a motor in there, I'd say there's enough EPO in that guy to kill Lance Armstrong.
+AgendaTwenty-Fun: A Happy, Kind New World Order Same as Froome on Mount Ventoux, Tour de France 2015 and other strange climbs of him
+Daniel Beltran No evidence what so ever for Froome!
3Vimages No evidence was neither for Lance
Daniel Beltran Absolute rubbish ... there was a ton of evidence against Lance! That is why he is banned for life!
+3Vimages
He got banned mainly because of the many testimonies against him. There were much indications but very little hard evidence. They even called this evidence "supporting evidence" in the USADA-dossier, because of the supporting role for the testimonies.
isnt the real reason that he ran 60 psi in his tires (which is a lot faster on cobblestones) while others ran 100?
Yes. You are correct! And he was the strongest one day racer
maybe a bit silli question but..when they were showing off the motor on the bike u could clearly hear the motor zooming..i know there is quiet much noises there but some ppl should had heare the engine zooming if he used such a engine?
So that's how Lance Armstrong won 7 times Tour de France: His bike was doped.
The tech wasn't really around when Lance was winning.
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The engines are not detectable without an internal bike checks (taking frame apart). Bike checks are not normally done by UCI, only occasionally such as with a world record.
They weren't done at all during this era in question. Now it is different but back then it was the wild west.
Canccelara is clearly using gear controls, video says "Doesnt touch gear control" ........ the only fishy thing here is this video
yeah, this video is a hit piece made by a crybaby. It's obvious he's shifting to anyone that's ridden a bicycle.
mfnbpwnz it’s also obvious that he used a engine
look on fabians legs...if you have legs like cancellara, you need nothing to ride 60 km/h
is incredible the aceleration...
Hmmm - And where does the information about Cancellara using his ringfinger come from. Is it true because you say so?
Since 60 minutes did a horrible job IMHO, I am resurrecting this thread.
They don't use motors in chess and this is exactly what classics and cycle racing are. You clean every other riders plate then you begin your race. He is shifting, not button pushing. He is attacking when he senses the other guys are snoozing or done for. This is a pinpoint calculation race strategy. If it works, you are a hero and it "looks" easy. If it fails, you don't win but you are still a hero for giving it your all.
People need to look at their own performances and raise their games rather than finding reasons that other people are stronger and faster.
Racing 101 is don't show weakness. Even though you are dying inside, don't let anyone see it.
I am sure a few people have tried cheating with motors but it is not widespread and these big teams and riders have way too much at stake to use motors at that level.
I mocked Lance defenders for a decade, but I'm not buying this. Cancellara IS the motor.
OF COURSE there is a big difference whenever he change hands position, let me remind you that bycicle essentially is a lever, and you know that the energy you can transfer to it depends directly on the withstand position. I have ride for about15 years I have even travel to belgium to ride on those places and I can tell you by experience that in this escenario the best is to push hand together on top of the handlebar and start pedaling with all your strength
I really believe this demonstration. There seems to be a big difference whenever he changes hand position.
that's bullshit they check the bike before the race for regulations and he makes such a big gap becuase hes a very good pro cyclist hahaha
they've only been xraying the bikes recently and solely due to electric motor assist accusations. it's just like doping, only the fools will continue doing it when countermeasures have been developed to get them caught.
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check this vid and tell me you still think this is bullshit.....
donniednl Come on! that's basic physics
Yeah! It's cheating for sure ^^
He is 10/15% faster than the second strongest man in those kind of race!
When you see Boonen crying on his bike, when Cancellara is only at 80% max?! We all know it's cheating, conspiracy and so on? It's like Armstrong, nobody believe it untill time he get caught! Same thing for cancellara, no prouve so his clean! 50Km/h in the tourmalet climb?! It's noraml! You have a prouf? SO i m not a cheater!
@Snoopbreizh You mean changing bikes after hammering the cobbles (remember when Hincapie's bike sheared at the head tube in the 2006 Paris Roubaix?), shifting gears with the "wandering hand", and riding as if he were the World Time Trial Champion.
....A battery drive assist would definitely give your peddling a boost and give you an edge in bike racing!
I don't believe this shit. Do you really believe that when Cancellara dropped Sagan on the Paterberg in the Tour of Flanders 2013 it was because of the motor? You can see Cancellara was also on his limit. If he had a motor he would have dropped him way more easily. Also all the Belgians accuse Cancellara of motor doping because he was simply better than Boonen. I can't recall races where Boonen dropped Cancellara but many where Cancellara dropped Boonen One must respect exceptional sporting achievement
sorry FABIAN it's cheating
professionals analyzed the accusation in a german newspaper and came to the conclusion that the battery would be too large, the noise of the engine too loud, and most importantly the engine too weak (110 rpm is the average in professional biking, the engine's maximum is 90 rpm ) to obtain a serious advantage.
it is quite suspicious at 5:58-6:00. as the hill becomes steeper he can keep the cadence, ok there's no problem but hes torso and core muscles are still almost relaxed at these moments...
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i beleive they're talking about an electric engine, which is quit quiet. The trams in my city are all electrical, and people sometimes walk right in front of them because they don't hear or notice them