Thank you for getting right to the point of the video without the annoying loud dramatic intros that other trainers think is necessary, which I just FF through anyway.
While I do agree with most of what you say, I do not agree that pinned ears while riding are always a sign of disrespect, but rather a way to say "hey, get off my back, something's not right". I also don't think that a horse means disrespect when closing in on you. Horses are able to forget previously set rules because they just can, like us. Or they simply can't understand what you're trying to rely.
I think you are putting too much emphasize on the word, disrespect, these are all indications of hostile behavior that you should take notice of to prevent anything unexpected from happening.
What would you do if he pinned his ears while riding but didn't charge off? Would you still back him up as a correction? I have a horse that will get even more aggressive backing him up. Wondered how to work through that issue.
@@margaretburckard6684 First make sure there are no medical issues. If there are no issues there, try to pinpoint if there is a correlation between the ear pin and what you are doing at that moment. ie does he pin his ears when you ask something specific? Is it just a general unwillingness? Backing up is not something horses like very much, it is a bit of work for them, so the fact he gets more upset when you back up really suggests to me something physical, or he has moved to the three R's.. Reluctance, Resistance and finally Resentment. I have a video on dealing with just that on here. There is another R, Respect, make sure you have that. Hopefully you're able to pinpoint the cause
Rather than talking about disrespect it would probably be better to say that you need to gain more trust as some commentators are uncomfortable with the word disrespect.
That is a pretty big sign the horse is troubles. Either from physical issues or from not finding release when they do the right thing. There were probably some smaller signs leading up to this, which is really what this video is about. Fix things while they are small issues before they become big issues. At this point, if the problem is not physical, try getting one step on a 45 degree angle from the ground. Then reward that. In fact I would reward even the thought of taking a step. Reward being release of any pressure, and lots of rubbing. The horse needs to know there is a way of getting release other than just shutting down. That is a very quick answer on limited info.
I feel like it needs to be clarified that he doesnt mean "disrespect" in the way we use it with people behavior. It means a behavior you should pay attention to in context with what you're asking for from the animal. Its just a sign of some kind of resistance. Pinned ears doesnt ALWAYS mean the horse has an attitude. A swishy tail doesn't always mean that either. If you've seen any of his other videos, you'd know he discusses its important to make sure that these aren't signs of distress from physical illness or other addressable issues. While yes, animals can forget what we ask, thats why we train so they remember. He didn't demand anything of this horse, he made gentle suggestions and corrections. The horse had a choice, continue the behavior and work harder or stop. The horse chose to stop cause thats easier. You can tell this is something he does with him all the time bcs the horse quickly corrects his behavior, he knows whats being asked. Also, the space thing is important especially in horse social hierarchies. Its a boundary that needs to be respected. Its okay to invite your horse into your space when you communicate its okay. But that horse shouldn't be taking that space whenever he wants, this can lead to more dangerous and pushy behavior.
if we are standung my horse has permission to graze. its super important to keep them hydrated by grazing fresh grass. only time i dont let him eat is if i suspect the grass has been treated with a chemical.
Hi, no disrespect but I noticed when you backed your horse, you walked with him, Isn’t the idea to increase the space between you and for you as the heard boss to move their feet while you maintain position?
That is the idea, but I need to move him out of my space, then I can give him the chance to maintain that space. The first time I backed him I upped the pressure by walking toward him the second, he did not crowd me so I did not walk toeard him. I hope that helps...
That is very hard to say without seeing the horse and how it is acting. I have had quite a few shutdown horses that came back to be great partners, but it takes a ton of time, patience and feel. And a ton of empathy, trying to understand where they are coming from.
You can't call a horse's behavior disrespect! A horse is not a human being, so don't expect a horse to act like a human being! Can you behave like a horse? I don't think so. I have horses, and I let them have free will. Of course, if they bite you, that is a different story. I don't want to enslave my horses.
The only difference between me and my horses is that I can lie. They feel exactly the same way as I do but their reactions are 100% honest. As long as our intentions are good they must accept our guidance as we must accept God's guidance. That's how they survive in the herd. They respect the alpha male and female. Their lives depend on it. They are not enslaved. They respect you as a leader when they know that you have their best interests at heart. It's called trust ❤
Meaning no disrespect to you but I wonder if he is experiencing pain vs demonstrating disrespect. Again, not trying to be rude but I have concerns about your size vs the weight of the horse.
Robin he not so big that it is going to cause pain for that horse he showed pushy problems right from the start big ones no but everything starts somewhere usually small he handle those things great if weight from him is what you are seeing you are missing a lot from your horse or horses
I don't agree with you. If you are just standing, let him graze. Horses have different "personal space" attitudes, if he gets close, so what?. You then confused him by insisting he keep his distance, then demanding he follow you... Tail swishing is "disrespectful"? That's ridiculous. Pinned ears, geez - you are TALKING, he's LISTENING. At the lope, he looked uncomfortable in himself, not sure why, but he seemed more at ease at the slightly faster pace. You should be asking "WHY", rather than imposing your will. It could be that he's simply bored.. It's supposed to be a partnership, not master and slave. I don't think he likes you much. Glad you are nowhere near MY horse.
It all depends so heavily on the context of the situation and the particular horse you're working with. Sometimes, these things can be okay. When you're not working. But in this case, where the horse is a little bratty and takes advantage of a lack of consistency, and is expected to be working in that moment, it's important to keep consistent boundaries. He's not being aggressive or mean with the horse. Personal space isn't dictated by what the horse wants from you, it's what you feel is appropriate and enforce. Otherwise the horse is the dominant one in the situation, bcs he gets to pick when hes close and you don't. The horse knew to follow, but not follow too close. It's obvious the horse wasn't confused, bcs he followed a little further away after a gentle suggested correction. He didn't even have to touch him to help him understand and remember what to do. And if you were paying attention at the end, his horse did a very content lick and chew, a sign of relief and/or relaxed state. That horse trusts his handler bcs he's consistent and communicates clearly.
Tail swishing in my experience can definitely be a sign of aggression, and ear pinning is NOT the same as listening. When the horse is listening to you his ear should be facing back toward you, ideally one ear on you and one forward for me. I think you are a bit hyperbolic here. This horse clearly doesn't dislike this man, he stood completely still every time he needed him to. In my experience a horse that doesn't like or trust you will NEVER stand still to be mounted. I think you are pushing a little on this.
You are so far off with what pin there ears and tail swishing are, and those things matter very much little things matter little things make big things fix the little things then you don’t have to worry about fixing big things because it will add up to good or bad
Thank you for getting right to the point of the video without the annoying loud dramatic intros that other trainers think is necessary, which I just FF through anyway.
Excellent points and demonstration.
Teaching them to trust us would be a more positive description 😉 "5 signs that our horse doesn't trust us"
5 signs that our horse doesn't trust us as much as they should
While I do agree with most of what you say, I do not agree that pinned ears while riding are always a sign of disrespect, but rather a way to say "hey, get off my back, something's not right". I also don't think that a horse means disrespect when closing in on you. Horses are able to forget previously set rules because they just can, like us. Or they simply can't understand what you're trying to rely.
I think you are putting too much emphasize on the word, disrespect, these are all indications of hostile behavior that you should take notice of to prevent anything unexpected from happening.
What would you do if he pinned his ears while riding but didn't charge off? Would you still back him up as a correction? I have a horse that will get even more aggressive backing him up. Wondered how to work through that issue.
@@margaretburckard6684 First make sure there are no medical issues. If there are no issues there, try to pinpoint if there is a correlation between the ear pin and what you are doing at that moment. ie does he pin his ears when you ask something specific? Is it just a general unwillingness? Backing up is not something horses like very much, it is a bit of work for them, so the fact he gets more upset when you back up really suggests to me something physical, or he has moved to the three R's.. Reluctance, Resistance and finally Resentment. I have a video on dealing with just that on here. There is another R, Respect, make sure you have that. Hopefully you're able to pinpoint the cause
i agree i think this man is too big and heavy for that horse
@@staceylandfield5002Horses are strong animals and this guy rides well so the fact that it's on the small side is not an issue.
Rather than talking about disrespect it would probably be better to say that you need to gain more trust as some commentators are uncomfortable with the word disrespect.
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Thanks Skip for the intent of the lesson. Some other whiners should rap their minds around the knowledge you display.
What do you do if a horse just totally shuts down and won’t take a step in any direction. Just shut down and locked up.
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That is a pretty big sign the horse is troubles. Either from physical issues or from not finding release when they do the right thing. There were probably some smaller signs leading up to this, which is really what this video is about. Fix things while they are small issues before they become big issues. At this point, if the problem is not physical, try getting one step on a 45 degree angle from the ground. Then reward that. In fact I would reward even the thought of taking a step. Reward being release of any pressure, and lots of rubbing. The horse needs to know there is a way of getting release other than just shutting down. That is a very quick answer on limited info.
I feel like it needs to be clarified that he doesnt mean "disrespect" in the way we use it with people behavior.
It means a behavior you should pay attention to in context with what you're asking for from the animal.
Its just a sign of some kind of resistance.
Pinned ears doesnt ALWAYS mean the horse has an attitude. A swishy tail doesn't always mean that either.
If you've seen any of his other videos, you'd know he discusses its important to make sure that these aren't signs of distress from physical illness or other addressable issues.
While yes, animals can forget what we ask, thats why we train so they remember. He didn't demand anything of this horse, he made gentle suggestions and corrections.
The horse had a choice, continue the behavior and work harder or stop. The horse chose to stop cause thats easier.
You can tell this is something he does with him all the time bcs the horse quickly corrects his behavior, he knows whats being asked.
Also, the space thing is important especially in horse social hierarchies. Its a boundary that needs to be respected. Its okay to invite your horse into your space when you communicate its okay. But that horse shouldn't be taking that space whenever he wants, this can lead to more dangerous and pushy behavior.
if we are standung my horse has permission to graze. its super important to keep them hydrated by grazing fresh grass. only time i dont let him eat is if i suspect the grass has been treated with a chemical.
Hi, no disrespect but I noticed when you backed your horse, you walked with him,
Isn’t the idea to increase the space between you and for you as the heard boss to move their feet while you maintain position?
That is the idea, but I need to move him out of my space, then I can give him the chance to maintain that space. The first time I backed him I upped the pressure by walking toward him the second, he did not crowd me so I did not walk toeard him. I hope that helps...
Is it fixable ?
That is very hard to say without seeing the horse and how it is acting.
I have had quite a few shutdown horses that came back to be great partners, but it takes a ton of time, patience and feel. And a ton of empathy, trying to understand where they are coming from.
You can't call a horse's behavior disrespect!
A horse is not a human being, so don't expect a horse to act like a human being! Can you behave like a horse? I don't think so.
I have horses, and I let them have free will. Of course, if they bite you, that is a different story.
I don't want to enslave my horses.
Userlokioki I have to say you are so very wrong I feel very sorry for your horses
The only difference between me and my horses is that I can lie. They feel exactly the same way as I do but their reactions are 100% honest. As long as our intentions are good they must accept our guidance as we must accept God's guidance. That's how they survive in the herd. They respect the alpha male and female. Their lives depend on it. They are not enslaved. They respect you as a leader when they know that you have their best interests at heart. It's called trust ❤
Meaning no disrespect to you but I wonder if he is experiencing pain vs demonstrating disrespect. Again, not trying to be rude but I have concerns about your size vs the weight of the horse.
Robin he not so big that it is going to cause pain for that horse he showed pushy problems right from the start big ones no but everything starts somewhere usually small he handle those things great if weight from him is what you are seeing you are missing a lot from your horse or horses
sorry to say but i feel you are too big for that horse. maybe thats why he pins his ears. other than that you have a nice demeanor
I don't agree with you. If you are just standing, let him graze. Horses have different "personal space" attitudes, if he gets close, so what?. You then confused him by insisting he keep his distance, then demanding he follow you... Tail swishing is "disrespectful"? That's ridiculous. Pinned ears, geez - you are TALKING, he's LISTENING. At the lope, he looked uncomfortable in himself, not sure why, but he seemed more at ease at the slightly faster pace. You should be asking "WHY", rather than imposing your will. It could be that he's simply bored.. It's supposed to be a partnership, not master and slave. I don't think he likes you much. Glad you are nowhere near MY horse.
It all depends so heavily on the context of the situation and the particular horse you're working with. Sometimes, these things can be okay. When you're not working. But in this case, where the horse is a little bratty and takes advantage of a lack of consistency, and is expected to be working in that moment, it's important to keep consistent boundaries.
He's not being aggressive or mean with the horse.
Personal space isn't dictated by what the horse wants from you, it's what you feel is appropriate and enforce. Otherwise the horse is the dominant one in the situation, bcs he gets to pick when hes close and you don't.
The horse knew to follow, but not follow too close. It's obvious the horse wasn't confused, bcs he followed a little further away after a gentle suggested correction. He didn't even have to touch him to help him understand and remember what to do.
And if you were paying attention at the end, his horse did a very content lick and chew, a sign of relief and/or relaxed state. That horse trusts his handler bcs he's consistent and communicates clearly.
Tail swishing in my experience can definitely be a sign of aggression, and ear pinning is NOT the same as listening. When the horse is listening to you his ear should be facing back toward you, ideally one ear on you and one forward for me. I think you are a bit hyperbolic here. This horse clearly doesn't dislike this man, he stood completely still every time he needed him to. In my experience a horse that doesn't like or trust you will NEVER stand still to be mounted. I think you are pushing a little on this.
You are so far off with what pin there ears and tail swishing are, and those things matter very much little things matter little things make big things fix the little things then you don’t have to worry about fixing big things because it will add up to good or bad