Good news for Boeing!! I'm glad the 737-MAX is getting some good attention. It really is a great airplane. This is the type of news Boeing needs into this new year.
Thank you for the outstanding analysis of the state of the 737 program. I was a quality assurance technician on the 727 and 747 projects between 1966 and late 1970 when the layoffs occurred. If I wasn’t approaching 79, I’d love to rejoin their QA department. Both the 727 and the 747 programs had their issues too. However, they were really not under the microscope of the press and today’s social networking.
@@MikeCTRVLR Exactly, many of us remember the 727 with great fondness, but it you put the hull loss frequency in today's reality - horrified wouldn't even scratch the surface!
The 737 MAX is already only 700 orders away from surpassing the 737NG in total orders and if there are no fatal crash in the next year or two, it will be officially "safer" than the NG. Boeing themselves has said they're comfortable holding just over 40% of the narrrowbody market until the next clean sheet design for the 150 to 225-seat replacement enters service.
Well, it does help that the 737 MAX is *NOT* using the much-dreaded Pratt & Whitney PW1xxxG geared turbofan engines. There has been so many issues with the GTF engines that you really wonder if Pratt & Whitnye may need to redesign the engine almost from scratch to fix the engine's various issues.
What a lot of media reports missed when the two fatal accidents happened was that both airlines had, and still have, dubious at best safety records. The pilots also did not have proper training on the Max. Was Boeing completely not at fault? No. But I would never fly the two airlines in question because of their lack of safety.
Agreed, the factors you mention could well be the reason for many MAX orders, as will be the longer wait times for the Airbus. What we do not know for certain is how the level of discounting compares to the Airbus. However, given the issues and production delays at Boeing, and to take the example of an aircraft joining the end of the A320 series, or MAX order books today, I would not put any money on which will be delivered first!
Production of the 737 max is subject to ongoing intense scrutiny by the FAA. Production rates of the 737 max are also limited by the FAA. The production rate will not be allowed to increase until the FAA is satisfied that the manufacturing processes meet the required safety standards. The backlog of orders for the 737 max currently runs in the thousands ! Certification of the other 737 max variants has taken a back seat to getting the 777x through its certification program.
737 is probably the most versatile plane made. The main reasons for crashes is maintenance FUs and pilots being use to planes flying themselves. Boeing should of been more outward of training in 3rd world countries
Hmmmm, BA was usually trading in the mid $350s, had 52 weeks low of $137. Now around $170.00. With production increasing, strike over, Max working well with now millions of airmiles in the books, and the 777x due for FAA rubber stamp. For those who can afford market investments?????
@@jantjarks7946 BA is "aiming" at producing 38 Max per month in 2025 - a big ramp-up if delivered - and the 777x will start customer deliveries in 2026. In any case along with BA's military contracts BA is a company that is "too large to fail" -In the next 36 months I expect this equity to be in the mid $200s+...TBD
The MAX always had orders. The Ethiopian crash happened because the pilots were doing 500 miles an hour and couldn’t manually trim the jet. So they turned back on the trim stabs and reactivated MCAS. They did exactly opposite what they were trained. All they had to do was reduce take off power. The engines were at max power. Stupidity
Apart from the 5+ Airbus backlog, Boeing are selling the 737 at bargain basement prices. They are basically just covering their cost on each plane. A lot of airlines only think of price of planes rather than safety and long term viability. This attitude will come back to bite them on the empennage. Observations from South Africa
There's exactly one reason why 737 MAX had a chance to recover: Airbus can't make A321neo family fast enough. If they didn't have 5+ years backlog nobody would order a 737, maybe except Southwest and Ryanair.
Every major US airline are ordering them. Mechanics and crew cannot just switch from one aircraft to another without additional training and certification.
@@yo2trader539 All of the big 3 have some A321neos in their fleet so if they could get more of them soon enough it wouldn't have been impossible to fully switch, considering 737 NGs still have 5-10 years of useful life left, so there's some time for soft phasing out. Presumably MAX will be the last aircraft in 737 line before getting replaced with a brand new design, so mechanics and crews will have to be retrained soon anyway.
@@stanhry Only engines powered by P&W engines were grounded, A320neo family aircraft powered by CFM LEAP engines (the same ones used on the MAX) were unaffected
Previous 737 customers would order it for sure . It’s an easy aircraft to retrain on . Just like the Neo . That’s why the max has a similar order number to the NEO.
I have asked this several times and never received a good answer. Why are the 737 MAX 8 and MAX 9 in production and carrying passengers while the MAX 7 and MAX 10 are awaiting certification when they are all the same aircraft with the same problems but different lengths? Thanks in advance.
I've read about things like the deicing system for the engines which had to be changed and will have to be recertified with respect to previous models for Max 10 and Max 7. The FAA is not willing to grant Boeing exemptions for such things anymore.
The 737MAX 7 and 10 are held back primarily due to the engine inlet fairing de-icing issue. That issue occurs if a pilot happens to switch on, or leave on the engine de-icing system in dry non-icing conditions. The potential is that the inlet fairing could overheat and cause damage. This was discovered after the 8 and 9s re-entered service. Boeing has taken corerective action to address this that satisfied thr FAA and EASA. If the de-icing is not on during dry conditions, the problem doesn't exist. The 7s and 10s weren't certified yet. So FAA and EASA wasn't going to allow certification until the issue is corrected. Once this revised system and fairing is completed and certified, the 7s and 10s will gain certification. The 8s and 9s in service will be retrofitted when they are due for a maintenance check. Bottom line is that this de-icing issue isn't compromising flight safety, and is why the 8s and 9s are still allowed to fly.
MAX -7 and -10 both had time limited certification exceptions due to their systems no longer being compliant. The -8 and -9 were certified within this time limit. Thus Boeing has to find ways to implement the required systems, without compromising the cockpit commonality. We shall see how that works out, or not.
Considering Boeing have been developing the 777X for 12 years and it isn’t ready yet (being just an improved version of the actual 777…) The future 979 probably will be ready by 2080 (if they are lucky) 😂😂
When there is a choice, which I do research, I would book a flight on an A220 or A320(1) over a 737 everyday of the week. Wider seats, higher windows and usually bigger seat pitch (varies with airline I know).
The Titanic unsinkable thing and the sinking is the mistake that killed the white star line. Boeing just committed this very same mistake with the 737 max.
Another crash, which hopefully will never happen, could sink the MAX, thus Boeing. Boeing under Calhoun has really doubled down on walking the wrong path, instead of thinking twice before taking further actions. Tunnel vision. 🤷 But many hilly billies believe that Boeing would be too big to fail. Do they believe scared passengers can be forced to board Boeing planes at gun point? Seems like. 🤷
MAX is done. It can only sold what customers are ordered. The 1940s designed can't compete with 1980 design A320. The only advantage for the 737 is its short haul numbers. The 737 lacks larger Main and APU Battery, RAT, wider seats, low ceilings, larger windows, EICAS, and many more compare to A320. Boeing should of build new sheet airplane instead of the PROBLEMATIC MAXIPADS. It is bleeding the company of money and same with the 777 instead of a 777NEO.
You are so biased (against Boeing) that you can’t stand the truth. DJ was just telling the story of the Max including the horrible stuff as a matter of fact not opinion. You don’t even listen to the videos obviously. You are so quick to judgement.
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Good news for Boeing!! I'm glad the 737-MAX is getting some good attention. It really is a great airplane. This is the type of news Boeing needs into this new year.
Thank you for the outstanding analysis of the state of the 737 program. I was a quality assurance technician on the 727 and 747 projects between 1966 and late 1970 when the layoffs occurred. If I wasn’t approaching 79, I’d love to rejoin their QA department. Both the 727 and the 747 programs had their issues too. However, they were really not under the microscope of the press and today’s social networking.
@@MikeCTRVLR Exactly, many of us remember the 727 with great fondness, but it you put the hull loss frequency in today's reality - horrified wouldn't even scratch the surface!
The 737 performance is much better than the a320, read the number
Yes. 737 is a greater number than 320😂
Only the 737 MAX 8 (and MAX 7 I guess) however, the other MAX variants can't beat the rest of the A320neo family
@EuropeanRailfan-AM Max 10 is better than the 321neo , max 9 is par between the 320neo and 321neo niche
I did pray for Boeing to get up again! What a good news!
The 737 MAX is already only 700 orders away from surpassing the 737NG in total orders and if there are no fatal crash in the next year or two, it will be officially "safer" than the NG. Boeing themselves has said they're comfortable holding just over 40% of the narrrowbody market until the next clean sheet design for the 150 to 225-seat replacement enters service.
It makes me happy to see it get some new orders, especially when the a321 xlr was just released
Thank for this Dj!!
Well, it does help that the 737 MAX is *NOT* using the much-dreaded Pratt & Whitney PW1xxxG geared turbofan engines. There has been so many issues with the GTF engines that you really wonder if Pratt & Whitnye may need to redesign the engine almost from scratch to fix the engine's various issues.
Until the Max 7 and 10 are not certified they are not going to rise too much.
So many words about actually what news????
What a lot of media reports missed when the two fatal accidents happened was that both airlines had, and still have, dubious at best safety records. The pilots also did not have proper training on the Max. Was Boeing completely not at fault? No. But I would never fly the two airlines in question because of their lack of safety.
Agreed, the factors you mention could well be the reason for many MAX orders, as will be the longer wait times for the Airbus. What we do not know for certain is how the level of discounting compares to the Airbus.
However, given the issues and production delays at Boeing, and to take the example of an aircraft joining the end of the A320 series, or MAX order books today, I would not put any money on which will be delivered first!
Production of the 737 max is subject to ongoing intense scrutiny by the FAA. Production rates of the 737 max are also limited by the FAA. The production rate will not be allowed to increase until the FAA is satisfied that the manufacturing processes meet the required safety standards. The backlog of orders for the 737 max currently runs in the thousands ! Certification of the other 737 max variants has taken a back seat to getting the 777x through its certification program.
I am happy for Boeing although I am an AirBus guy. We need them as well.
Right 🙃
We have enough airbus . Their company is suffering from a teribble backlog . They need Boeing right now .
@@stuffstoconsider3516 , we need both companies to be successful. A monopoly is not a good thing.
Same
737 is probably the most versatile plane made. The main reasons for crashes is maintenance FUs and pilots being use to planes flying themselves. Boeing should of been more outward of training in 3rd world countries
Hmmmm, BA was usually trading in the mid $350s, had 52 weeks low of $137. Now around $170.00.
With production increasing, strike over, Max working well with now millions of airmiles in the books, and the 777x due for FAA rubber stamp. For those who can afford market investments?????
Max production increasing? Where, when?
@@jantjarks7946 BA is "aiming" at producing 38 Max per month in 2025 - a big ramp-up if delivered - and the 777x will start customer deliveries in 2026. In any case along with BA's military contracts BA is a company that is "too large to fail" -In the next 36 months I expect this equity to be in the mid $200s+...TBD
The MAX always had orders. The Ethiopian crash happened because the pilots were doing 500 miles an hour and couldn’t manually trim the jet. So they turned back on the trim stabs and reactivated MCAS. They did exactly opposite what they were trained. All they had to do was reduce take off power. The engines were at max power. Stupidity
Apart from the 5+ Airbus backlog, Boeing are selling the 737 at bargain basement prices. They are basically just covering their cost on each plane. A lot of airlines only think of price of planes rather than safety and long term viability. This attitude will come back to bite them on the empennage.
Observations from South Africa
Oh no another 737max hostory lesson
There's exactly one reason why 737 MAX had a chance to recover: Airbus can't make A321neo family fast enough. If they didn't have 5+ years backlog nobody would order a 737, maybe except Southwest and Ryanair.
Every major US airline are ordering them. Mechanics and crew cannot just switch from one aircraft to another without additional training and certification.
@@yo2trader539 All of the big 3 have some A321neos in their fleet so if they could get more of them soon enough it wouldn't have been impossible to fully switch, considering 737 NGs still have 5-10 years of useful life left, so there's some time for soft phasing out. Presumably MAX will be the last aircraft in 737 line before getting replaced with a brand new design, so mechanics and crews will have to be retrained soon anyway.
The 320 engine flying apart and those models being grounded for 300 days did not help airbus.
@@stanhry Only engines powered by P&W engines were grounded, A320neo family aircraft powered by CFM LEAP engines (the same ones used on the MAX) were unaffected
Previous 737 customers would order it for sure . It’s an easy aircraft to retrain on . Just like the Neo . That’s why the max has a similar order number to the NEO.
Sorry, but the MAX does *not* have larger windows. Same as all 737 windows. And most 707, all 727, 757, 767, and 747 (except the -8) windows.
737 MAX 8 debuting in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024.
there is no slot available for A320 and A321. No choice for air lines.
I have asked this several times and never received a good answer. Why are the 737 MAX 8 and MAX 9 in production and carrying passengers while the MAX 7 and MAX 10 are awaiting certification when they are all the same aircraft with the same problems but different lengths? Thanks in advance.
I've read about things like the deicing system for the engines which had to be changed and will have to be recertified with respect to previous models for Max 10 and Max 7. The FAA is not willing to grant Boeing exemptions for such things anymore.
The 737MAX 7 and 10 are held back primarily due to the engine inlet fairing de-icing issue. That issue occurs if a pilot happens to switch on, or leave on the engine de-icing system in dry non-icing conditions. The potential is that the inlet fairing could overheat and cause damage.
This was discovered after the 8 and 9s re-entered service. Boeing has taken corerective action to address this that satisfied thr FAA and EASA. If the de-icing is not on during dry conditions, the problem doesn't exist.
The 7s and 10s weren't certified yet. So FAA and EASA wasn't going to allow certification until the issue is corrected. Once this revised system and fairing is completed and certified, the 7s and 10s will gain certification. The 8s and 9s in service will be retrofitted when they are due for a maintenance check.
Bottom line is that this de-icing issue isn't compromising flight safety, and is why the 8s and 9s are still allowed to fly.
@@toms1348 Thank you. I am aware of the engine deicing issues but I did not know that was the only hold up.
MAX -7 and -10 both had time limited certification exceptions due to their systems no longer being compliant. The -8 and -9 were certified within this time limit.
Thus Boeing has to find ways to implement the required systems, without compromising the cockpit commonality. We shall see how that works out, or not.
@jantjarks7946 , you are referring to the EICAS system. Both the 7 and 10 ultimately recieved waivers and can proceed without it.
Considering Boeing have been developing the 777X for 12 years and it isn’t ready yet (being just an improved version of the actual 777…) The future 979 probably will be ready by 2080 (if they are lucky) 😂😂
Airbus has enough orders for the next 50 yrs as a result Boeing is the only other choice which is not by choice
So...
When there is a choice, which I do research, I would book a flight on an A220 or A320(1) over a 737 everyday of the week. Wider seats, higher windows and usually bigger seat pitch (varies with airline I know).
Nothing to do with the aircraft itself.
This depends on the airline 😭
@@bloodlaw213 The A320 cabin is wider so that does, generally, mean the seats are wider. Obviously pitch depends on the airline.
@ Right but boeing aircrafts can also be widebodies.
The Titanic unsinkable thing and the sinking is the mistake that killed the white star line. Boeing just committed this very same mistake with the 737 max.
The 737 max doesn’t float on water nor strike icebergs. Red herring.
No it isn’t . The 737max sold thousands after the crashes .
@@liambengif7663. Well said!
Another crash, which hopefully will never happen, could sink the MAX, thus Boeing. Boeing under Calhoun has really doubled down on walking the wrong path, instead of thinking twice before taking further actions.
Tunnel vision. 🤷
But many hilly billies believe that Boeing would be too big to fail. Do they believe scared passengers can be forced to board Boeing planes at gun point? Seems like. 🤷
How could those airlines be blinded by the traitors' deception. The max should have never existed in the first place.
WE know that you are a great fan of Boeing but this video doesn't bring us any new info, disappointing!
"RISE of the 737 MAX Again" 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂. Oh boy...
Rise in Orders and a Fall in Production = A Match for Disaster not Heaven?
More dramatic titles
Could be the 90% discount on every airframe sold. Junk price for a junk aircraft.
Lazy Boeing leadership, design a new Aircraft not slap bigger engines on, pathetic what happened to Boeing…!
Still never flying the max
okay
MAX is done. It can only sold what customers are ordered. The 1940s designed can't compete with 1980 design A320. The only advantage for the 737 is its short haul numbers. The 737 lacks larger Main and APU Battery, RAT, wider seats, low ceilings, larger windows, EICAS, and many more compare to A320.
Boeing should of build new sheet airplane instead of the PROBLEMATIC MAXIPADS. It is bleeding the company of money and same with the 777 instead of a 777NEO.
The all new Boeing 737 Flying Coffin.
737 max Aka Titanic of the skies.
I have over 5000 hours in 737, (200 , 300 & 400) worst jet I ever flew. Boeing screwed up by ending 757, my favorite, production and upgrades.
nice media presentation by DJ 's & Boeing Aviation to mislead
You are so biased (against Boeing) that you can’t stand the truth. DJ was just telling the story of the Max including the horrible stuff as a matter of fact not opinion. You don’t even listen to the videos obviously. You are so quick to judgement.
@@Thesmellofrain-h6o Boeing corporate greed
@@Josh-x2s5r Absolutely. Hope things are changing.
I will never fly a max aircraft. Only 777 and 737-800NG
93 flights on a MAX and counting.
@@toms134834 here. And like you, still counting.
What's wrong with the 7 and 900NG's and 787's?
I am first
2nd 😂
I will never fly the max
Okay
More room for me.
Thank you.
I’m sure Boeing is concerned about it.
More seats on my flight!!!😊