@@joshsussman9432 I think he could be the outer category of the outer category. He is joined by the likes of Plato, Aristotle, Newton, Shakespeare, Da Vinci... That crowd: people who should not have been able to do what they did but they did.
I read the comments months ago and have listened to this several times, along with others at a slower tempo. I gotta say I like this speed. Doesn't seem fast at all, really an andante to me. A walk in the park...and birds!
Two years later and I am still completely conflicted between this and the Gardiner tempo. It's as it one tempo emphasizes the choir and the other emphasizes the orchestra. I can't help but love them both.
00:10 Chorus: Liebstger Gott, wenn werd ich sterben? 04:45 Aria (tenor): Was willst du dich, mein Geist, entsetzen 08:10 Recitative (alto): Zwar fühlt mein schwarches Herz 09:21 Aria (bass): Doch weichet ihr tollen, vergeblichen Sorgen! 14:36 Recitative (soprano): Behalt nur, o Welt, das Mein! 15:57 Chorale: Herrscher über Tod und Leben
So many besserwissers complaining over the fast tempo?! Me as an amateur have never heard this masterpiece before and must say it sounds very natural. And isn’t the choice of tempi a question for the interpreter ?( if the composer hasn’t given his instruction)
I did some more reading and considered the base meter as 1 beat per triplet in 12/8 time. This tempo sets that as one beat per second, which sets the baseline for the clocks. So however it's considered, I rather like it. I just love this cantata.
Not being a professional musicologist, I find at least two points in favor of this accelerated (compared to more romantic - in the musical sense) version of the initial chorus of BWV8. 1.- Baroque composing often “includes” momentum management in the very use of musical notation, reinforced with the especification of tempo. Thus, a “dancing” 12/8 measure combined with obstinatae semiquavers, signals to the performer what is expected from her/him: a lively, sped up, unstopped rainfall of rythm and sound. 2.- Nothing, no, nothing is superfluous in Bach`s music. He would have been an outstanding Freemason, a brilliant secret-code writer, a crownprince of mathematics … if he had not been the summum of music and a devout Lutheran. The point is in the openig words of this chorus: “Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben? Meine Zeit läuft immer hin”, “Dearest God, when will I die? My time runs away continually”. Quick, quick, we are running out of time, Lord’s time is coming up, Vita nostra brevis est and … stops abruptly. It is just my uneducated opinion. In any case, this is indeed a delicious piece of art to be enjoyed by all, regardless of any exegesis. Thanks for sharing it.
il primo movimento suonato cosi' mi ha ricordato Alice nel paese delle meraviglie quando compare il Bianconiglio "E' tardi, e' tardi!" Comunque sia questi sono i tempi RILLING 4'33 LEONHARDT 5'48 GARDINER 6'18 HERREWEGHE 6'39 RICHTER 8'25 !
Genauso, and moreover we should remember that this is Baroque music! The didn't have the same ability to play extended notes of varying volumes to the degree that later instruments did.
Opening tempo seems a bit fast for a text about contemplating death: « Dear God, when shall I die? My time is always hastening away “ The repeated notes of the flute that sound like the ticking of a clock at a slower tempo seem too fast. Otherwise a fine performance.
I delved into this and discovered that an error was made when uploading this cantata to RUclips. All's you need to do is play it at .75 to listen to it at the original intended speed.
@@jormaple I'm not wrong, dofus. Like a lot of pieces, it's played/sung at different speeds by different people, and personally, I prefer it a slightly more sedate speed.
@@jormaple Nickfish was trying to be funny in the first comment and wasn't actually referring to this specific recording. Then, perhaps misunderstanding your comment about Rilling's version specifically, he doubled down on the dubious joke in the reply. [I had been confused myself, for a second... also, partially, because I hadn't expected Rilling to take it at this speed.]
All participants had to be administered the same exact dose of methamphetamine. The floor had a patina of white powder, and so the cleanup crew were up for three days,
In the Baroque period, music would have been preformed more quickly, just like this, because instruments that could hold out very long, dramatic suspensions had not yet been invented. So you are hearing a more authentic version, like what Bach himself would have heard. Also, notice the way the flute sounds like birdsong when the song is played at this pace. Do you think that was an accident on Bach's part? :)
My organ prof in undergrad school told us to always take the Middle Way (tempo-wise) in Baroque music - neither too fast nor too slow. All tempi must be "friendly and congenial," never rushed. And the opening chorus here was a bit too fast for my tastes. Much of the beautiful and intricate counterpoint is completely blurred at this tempo. But the Bass Aria tempo was totally perfect - neither too fast nor too slow! 👍👏 👉 For comparison, check out the wonderful Joshua Rifkin recording (from 1988) also available on RUclips ("golden Cathedral" photo).
És un xarneguisme que el compte, els peus de videu i els crèdits no vinguin en pla alemany, sinó en xarnec anglès. Es veu que en uns temps tan obsedidament catequètics - com han estat tots, val a dir - el nacionalisme no té cabuda a la catequesi vigent, i la presumpció xarnega es pot aplicar arreu; i encara contents que ho faci.
He was a genius of the outer category.
He might BE the outer category.
@@joshsussman9432 I think he could be the outer category of the outer category. He is joined by the likes of Plato, Aristotle, Newton, Shakespeare, Da Vinci... That crowd: people who should not have been able to do what they did but they did.
A genius of the utter category.
Bach Salvou minha vida e me deu um novo sentido pra viver...Eu amo a sua música!Eu amo Bach!
I know what you mean....
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Perfect musicians tempo
I read the comments months ago and have listened to this several times, along with others at a slower tempo. I gotta say I like this speed. Doesn't seem fast at all, really an andante to me. A walk in the park...and birds!
Two years later and I am still completely conflicted between this and the Gardiner tempo. It's as it one tempo emphasizes the choir and the other emphasizes the orchestra. I can't help but love them both.
Sensacional ! Como este primeiro movimento foi montado !! Impressionante e muito lindo. Grande Bach!
Exelente labor, adelante. Soy un fanatico de Bach
00:10 Chorus: Liebstger Gott, wenn werd ich sterben?
04:45 Aria (tenor): Was willst du dich, mein Geist, entsetzen
08:10 Recitative (alto): Zwar fühlt mein schwarches Herz
09:21 Aria (bass): Doch weichet ihr tollen, vergeblichen Sorgen!
14:36 Recitative (soprano): Behalt nur, o Welt, das Mein!
15:57 Chorale: Herrscher über Tod und Leben
So many besserwissers complaining over the fast tempo?! Me as an amateur have never heard this masterpiece before and must say it sounds very natural. And isn’t the choice of tempi a question for the interpreter ?( if the composer hasn’t given his instruction)
Schön!
Best version!
I did some more reading and considered the base meter as 1 beat per triplet in 12/8 time. This tempo sets that as one beat per second, which sets the baseline for the clocks. So however it's considered, I rather like it. I just love this cantata.
lol gotta love Rilling...always break-neck speed... try decaf, Maestro Rilling
But decaf tastes so bad. . . ;)
BWV8:
God I hate this dumb research paper
Rating: 7.6/10
Not being a professional musicologist, I find at least two points in favor of this accelerated (compared to more romantic - in the musical sense) version of the initial chorus of BWV8.
1.- Baroque composing often “includes” momentum management in the very use of musical notation, reinforced with the especification of tempo. Thus, a “dancing” 12/8 measure combined with obstinatae semiquavers, signals to the performer what is expected from her/him: a lively, sped up, unstopped rainfall of rythm and sound.
2.- Nothing, no, nothing is superfluous in Bach`s music. He would have been an outstanding Freemason, a brilliant secret-code writer, a crownprince of mathematics … if he had not been the summum of music and a devout Lutheran. The point is in the openig words of this chorus: “Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben? Meine Zeit läuft immer hin”, “Dearest God, when will I die? My time runs away continually”. Quick, quick, we are running out of time, Lord’s time is coming up, Vita nostra brevis est and … stops abruptly.
It is just my uneducated opinion. In any case, this is indeed a delicious piece of art to be enjoyed by all, regardless of any exegesis.
Thanks for sharing it.
Great discussion. Thank you.
A Lot of Thanks!😊
il primo movimento suonato cosi' mi ha ricordato Alice nel paese delle meraviglie quando compare il Bianconiglio "E' tardi, e' tardi!" Comunque sia questi sono i tempi
RILLING 4'33
LEONHARDT 5'48
GARDINER 6'18
HERREWEGHE 6'39
RICHTER 8'25 !
Bach 4Ever ❤️💞💕
No way, I love the tempi! All the other recordings of the "Doch weichet" I've heard sound like plodding garbage.
Genauso, and moreover we should remember that this is Baroque music! The didn't have the same ability to play extended notes of varying volumes to the degree that later instruments did.
The temp is to fast!
Un milagro hecho música.
oboé demais
Opening tempo seems a bit fast for a text about contemplating death: « Dear God, when shall I die? My time is always hastening away “ The repeated notes of the flute that sound like the ticking of a clock at a slower tempo seem too fast. Otherwise a fine performance.
What's the rush?
i can slow it down now in settings 0.5
gorgeous ; ;
I delved into this and discovered that an error was made when uploading this cantata to RUclips. All's you need to do is play it at .75 to listen to it at the original intended speed.
you are wrong - Go look for it in Spotify
@@jormaple I'm not wrong, dofus. Like a lot of pieces, it's played/sung at different speeds by different people, and personally, I prefer it a slightly more sedate speed.
@@jormaple Nickfish was trying to be funny in the first comment and wasn't actually referring to this specific recording. Then, perhaps misunderstanding your comment about Rilling's version specifically, he doubled down on the dubious joke in the reply. [I had been confused myself, for a second... also, partially, because I hadn't expected Rilling to take it at this speed.]
All participants had to be administered the same exact dose of methamphetamine. The floor had a patina of white powder, and so the cleanup crew were up for three days,
Brilliant!
👍😄
❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥
Musique baroque ne veut pas dire musique lente
lol le tempo ! mdr
I wish I were joking but I thought I had accidentally pressed the 2x button.
In the Baroque period, music would have been preformed more quickly, just like this, because instruments that could hold out very long, dramatic suspensions had not yet been invented. So you are hearing a more authentic version, like what Bach himself would have heard. Also, notice the way the flute sounds like birdsong when the song is played at this pace. Do you think that was an accident on Bach's part? :)
Methamphetamine problem here exemplified.
we all admire how clever and witty you are. now go away and snort something lethal, please
@@alexreik424 Death threats for a opinion.. lol
Ok, let’s get this over with.
This tempo qualifies as a musical joke.
Beaucoup trop rapide....dommage car très propre malgrè la précipitation....On n'a pas le temps d'apprécier les flûtes !!!!
D'accord....
My organ prof in undergrad school told us to always take the Middle Way (tempo-wise) in Baroque music - neither too fast nor too slow. All tempi must be "friendly and congenial," never rushed. And the opening chorus here was a bit too fast for my tastes. Much of the beautiful and intricate counterpoint is completely blurred at this tempo.
But the Bass Aria tempo was totally perfect - neither too fast nor too slow! 👍👏
👉 For comparison, check out the wonderful Joshua Rifkin recording (from 1988) also available on RUclips ("golden Cathedral" photo).
És un xarneguisme que el compte, els peus de videu i els crèdits no vinguin en pla alemany, sinó en xarnec anglès. Es veu que en uns temps tan obsedidament catequètics - com han estat tots, val a dir - el nacionalisme no té cabuda a la catequesi vigent, i la presumpció xarnega es pot aplicar arreu; i encara contents que ho faci.
WAAAAAAAY too fast 1st section---like driving 60 in a 30 mph zone! Ugh!
trop rapide ; c'est évident
Tempo distorts opening chorale..ugly!
Beaucoup trop vite
...too fast.
Too rushed.
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