Zildjian ALCHEM-E Kit: Next-gen eDrums, Immersion & 400 Years of Sound
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As Zildjian continues to commemorate 400 years of sonic excellence, the cymbal scion has expanded their domain to transcend time, tone, and territory, debuting their explosive ALCHEM-E kit. Crafted with genuine wood shells and perforated metal cymbals and outfitted with Zildjian’s state-of-the-art Trigger System, the ALCHEM-E kit delivers unrivaled immersion and sonic fidelity. Beating at its heart is Zildjian’s E-Vault sound module that’s populated by multitudes of classic and contemporary cymbals that have been painstakingly captured to ensure every ounce of time-tested Zildjian character is faithfully preserved. To showcase the ALCHEM-E kit, Sweetwater had the pleasure of hosting Russ Miller, a Zildjian artist and studio legend whose CV comprises Andrea Bocelli, Bobby Caldwell, Tina Turner, and Ray Charles, to name a few. Discover Zildjian’s four centuries of percussive panache transposed to the virtually limitless possibilities of eDrums!
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Um, all of them. However, Zildjian has priced themselves out of reach of working drummers.
We only need clever AI software to augment low volume inputs. You'll use standard drum mics (close positioning) and the input will be analysed real time and transformed to a quality drum sound. The inputs will train the software for better accuracy over time whilst playing. This will end the acoustic/electronic debate forever. You won't actually be playing electronic drums. Any sound (be it low volume or not) are transformed into something else. Any sound your mic pics up could be trained and transformed. With AI, I think it's a matter of time. The person building this will be insta rich.
You know the world is coming to an end when Zildjian makes an E-Kit
That's what they said when Pinarello made an Ebike...
@@Ludo_A Jesus is coming soon
Zildijan is a business, the aim of a business in a proper capitalist system is to make money, and if they feel that the money is in electronic acoustic sounding drums, that’s what they will put out.
(Note: I don’t subscribe to Libertarian and AnCap philosophies, but that is a different matter and story)
@@SuperheroJunior That will be SuperheroSenior then.
E drums are cool and a completely separate instrument than acoustic drums, in my opinion
Holy smokes! Having Russ Miller demonstrate the kit is unreal.
The name Alchem-E is brilliant because the original Zildian cymbals came out of the time of the alchemists who were trying to create gold. A man named Zildian was part of that but discovered in the process, how to make an incredibly flexible metal, which eventually became his own gold mine.
7000 bucks. Not bad for the average working class folks.....
Really!
😮
Scam
@@_DEADED Yeah, it seems really nice, but in a market with so much competition, it certainly not money well spent. Get it under $5000 than maybe... but I'm sure it would have cost that 3 years ago ;)
😂 too much $ looks nice price crazy I'm sure the bronze kit cost less, easy pass for me not
Sonically, the cymbals are light years ahead of the snare/toms.
I will give props, the samples don't sound bad. We're really making strides in 2024
Please make a cymbal pack with a cymbal module and put that up for sale. With front of house outputs and midi.
I generally can't bring myself to get in on the ground floor of a brand new first-gen product but man this thing is sick.
I played this kit today. Here are my thoughts. The cymbals are AMAZING. Nothing out there like it. The feel is perfect. The drums are top notch as well, on par with the highest of the highest e-kits out there. The hi-hat still sucks. Zildjian, please figure this out I believe in your team. You need to figure out a way to have nothing between the top and bottom hat and still make it functional. The hi-hat is better than any other e-kit on the market, but it still sucks if you're "barking" (name of the technique) the hi-hat.
were the ride zones mixed in the brain? cause it kept playing edge sound when it should have played bow
I noticed that too, and even the bell sound played as the regular ride sound. I'm certain Russ picked up on it too
This is the second video I’ve seen that has had that issue, really hope it’s just a simple mishap with the set up because it would be extremely concerning if a $7000 kit didn’t have a functional ride cymbal
@jadonchacon ..from Zildjian, no less!
hmm , I hope you guys can get the cymbals to track better than that. Ride cymbal was not triggering the bow samples when hitting the bow.Hats sounded like they were also not triggering properly ??? Demoing a product before it's ready to release ???? Why ???? How much are you paying the drummer to pretend he can actually play the kit in that state lol - embarrassing - I feel for you demo drummer.
"The bow"? What, is it a string instrument?
Sounds very artificial. For the price they are asking, it would be a big sales failure. Zildjian should keep doing what knows best, which is making cymbals, before turkish and chinese brands takes over the market.
My hugely expensive at the time Roland kit is now out of date and unsurported. My Beverley acoustic kit is 50 uears old and still used daily..
Just saying.
Talk more about the module interface and drum sounds please!
The cymbals absolutely dominate the mix here, you can tell Zildjian wants you to focus on that instead of the module drum sounds lol. Cymbals sound excellent though
They should have just sampled their cymbals and made sold that to people.
Cymbals having the feel of real, vs. heavy rubber pads would be a big plus!
I Play F-Note 5 e-kit now, good drums, heavy rubber cymbals.
- 60 yrs playing; still play multiple bands, 20 hrs/wk, excluding own practice.
No disrespect to Russ, but where in the wide world of sports is Nick D?! Nick has me spoiled!
Nick D is in South America touring with Mr. Big!
Thank you for the heads up! We know he is having a ball, going to search for some videos on here to watch the Maestro in action!
What a great time to be an electronic drum fan!!
This honestly won’t sell.
disagree. the decent cymbal samples are an absolute gamechanger
Why do you think that?
People said that about the DW ekits and they're selling out all over the place
@@mathy0u its 7,000 dollars
You’d be surprised how many well off dads out there having a mid life crisis and looking for a hobby will buy these.
I feel like they would make so much more money if they just sold the cymbals separately. I would buy those in a heartbeat and use it on my alesis.
yeah but it depends on how these cymbals will work with a third party module like Rolland TD 27... If you know what I mean... They may be designed the way only their signature module can understand :D That's what I'm afraid of... otherwise, once they're on market, I'd be buying them!
drums 10% in the mix...
CYMBALS 90% IN THE MIX
The hats were very loud when he was keeping time with them
If you have the low volume cymbals can you just buy the triggers?
You'd need the brain too. It applies the samples to the triggers in a "proprietary" manner....
Man why do these companies insist on having "their guy" do the presentation. They're always lacking and lets be real - nobody - is better than Nick.
For e-drum feel & triggered sounds, cant beat F-NOTE 5.
Russ, we love you - but who calls the bell of a cymbal the 'crown'?
Old-school jazz players
@@JustanEdrummer Been playing drums (and jazz) 30+ years and never heard anyone call it that!
@@JustanEdrummer no, no one calls it that.
@@anotheryoutubed ok you win
Already tried these drums in Boston, as a drummer who owns a Roland TX-17KVX; I prefer Roland over this kit. Yes it may feel nice when playing.
But this is not a kit I would buy. I say it’s a waste of money unless your good with stocks or RICH AS F***
For $7000 you could also get a USA made kit + cymbals + hardware + new heads and still be under the price tag of these. I respect Zildjian ‘s efforts, but this seems like a niche product in an economy where everyone is struggling.
Can you buy just the cymbals and triggers? I have a Roland VAD 504 series and I don’t really want to get a whole new kit or module but having real cymbals like this sounds so nice.
Am I the only one who wants to hear these drums acoustically👀
6:54
bro no. You can put real heads on the kit and play it live. That’s what I meant
JFC These manufacturers are still hiking prices of their kits like it’s still 2020. Just scored an expanded Strata Prime kit for half this price and couldn’t be happpier.
I don't know what you guys are talking about. These really don't sound good. DW's new option sounds better than this, and Roland is about in line. None of these seem to keep up with DAW-based virtual instruments, though.
The toms sound like they don't have enough samples to go through, so most hits sound the same and have awkward dynamics.
Huge pass. Price makes it even more laughable.
Very cool. For only 1 very specific demographic. Wealthy folks. If inwas One, id surely check it out!
I like the idea but it’s not going to do well. To expensive, you can buy a whole set of LV cymbals for $200 and triggers for them for $100, and I’m betting you can’t use these with any other modules or pads. You can’t enter the market pricing more then all the other top competitors
Has anybody noticed the lag on the cymbals when he’s playing? Nothing better than acoustic kits.
Pretty depressing to note that not many have (his sales pitch worked like a charm). But it's not the lag, it's the articulations and single hits that you can't even hear or distinguish many times, as it's simply not picking them up, and that seems to be the biggest issue. Just listen to the intro on the hi-hat, literally half of the notes are not there. And he knows this very well so he played as few as possible later on, just brushing over them with the sticks mostly, to get them to produce some general sound.
4 seconds in and you hear that choppiness. Gotta do better at this price point
hi hat sound bothers me
Are the cymbals are just L80s with a different stamp on them?
Cymbals sound very convincing. Not so sure about that snare triggering though
Truly amazing piece of kit. But just more really expensive gear the average working drummer will never be able to afford to buy. Who is buying this stuff ?
...Maple? Why? Is it really necessary? Why do electronic drum shells have to be maple? It's more and more expensive!!! That's the purpose, right??? 😧😧😧
The cymbals yes, the sounds no, everything else no. Can you let us buy those cymbals separately?
The E drums are perfect to remove the soul out of any drummer
On first hearing, not at all impressed with the module drum sounds compared to Pearl Mimic and Alesis Strata. $7,000? Hard pass.
Hey, lets hear a guy talk about a kit, while sitting behind said kit, with little to no sound comparisons.
Now, give us $7000.
Yeah. Good luck with that, out of touch Zildjian PR team.
I honestly don"t understand why the went all the way and made an entire kit. They have an awesome opportunity to make the best E drum cymbals on the market and they choose to do this instead. Realistic responding and appropriate sized cymbals is what the market really needs and I feel like they are on the right track with these. If they just went all the way and made great triggers they could dominate the E-cymbal market.
Especially since it’s pretty common to not expect your traditional kit to include cymbals, it’s not such a stretch to do the same with an e-kit.
Too cymbal focused, as expected from a company
Hmm...i notice he never mentions price once, guess if ya gotta ask it's to much haha
They never mention the price in these reviews. That’s not super out of line.
For god's sake, why can't any of these companies just put together a reliable mesh heads/trigger system/low volume e-cymbal package and sell it for sonething approaching an affordable price?
Call of Ctulhu! Uli Come On!!!
Hopefully 65drums has a review on this!
He just posted an explanation video of this stating that a review will follow!
Having some Alesis drum kits, this is the absolute best electric drumset I’ve seen
Absolutely Beautiful kit, really Amazing kudos for zildjian!
Electronic drums will always carry the curse of price vs. justification. For comparison, a 4pc shell pack of decent caliber (Tama Starclassic, Gretsch Brooklyn, etc) plus snare drum, four professional level cymbals, three cymbal stands, hi-hat stand, and bass drum pedal...realistically you could be getting close to $7K, and it's easily possible to go beyond that. These sound and look good, but it's hard to justify spending high four figures on an e-kit, and especially on the V1.
I thought those cymbals were real till about 2min in. They're incredible
Think about if Zildjian was going to put out an edrum product and the cymbals didnt sound amazing though... That's kind of the point...
@@anotheryoutubed absolutely right, would be ridiculous but we've seen similar things happen before. Mesa Boogie cab clone was not the greatest, Marshall has put out some terrible sounding amps, etc.
$7000 for something that sounds that bad. No thanks.
great tech but it just still sounds like an electronic drums to me
I thought $7k would’ve sounded a bit better
ugh ... russ miller you had me until ....russ miller .. the grim reaper of innovation ..
I love Zildjian! But this does not fit in the edrum market. I don’t think this will compete with Alesis or DW. Sucks because they have this priced too high.
I guess for 7k one is paying for 400 years of history. Because of the price tag I wonder who is the target market for this and honestly they do not sound that good or more convincing than a VST.
I wonder what is going be the answer from roland time to step up their game even more then the thought.
Doesn't sound very good to me?
Cymbals have the feel of real cymbals and sound good, but kind of defeat the purpose for me of the e-kit, which is it needs to be quiet for in-home practice purposes. If I want real cymbal sounds, I'll play my acoustic kit. And are the drum sounds sampled or engineered? I think I'll stick with my TD20S pads and Pearl Mimic Pro for my e-kit setup.
Would make more sense to design the module, cymbals, and then heads that are also pads. In all standard sizes.
Therefore I could turn any kit into a E kit, and use this module.
I could turn my vintage Tama into an E kit.
Way more versatile. More folks would buy and use this.
Makes more sense to have it modular in that way, rather than turning THIS kit into an acoustic kit.
Turn my acoustic kit into an E kit.
☝🏻 this
I like this idea 💡 it would make a great studio addition piece
I can see the fatigue in Miller's eyes because, apparently, he's playing a kit with questionable dynamics.
4:33 I just played one of those new DW electronic kits the store the other day and I just could not get over how awful the cymbals felt AND sounded acoustically. For 15,000 Canadian dollars it's so incomprehensible 😅
If you are in Toronto, can you recommend an Honest salesperson to buy drums for my granddaughter. I have bought a few things from Soul drums. I will spend about 5k for a kit. I know zero about drums. I was a half axed guitarist. Thanks if you can help. PS Larnell was a student of mine when I was a computer teacher. We jammed occasionally after school. He often played piano too!!!! His band teacher told me back then Larnell is The One😊
I put the meinl cymbal mutes on mine and just jacked up the threshold and sensitivity and they’re quieter and it feels better, once you play for awhile you get past the feel but they sound amazing once you mix them, Zildjian’s are better bc..,they’re Zildjian but the module is really mediocre here
@@martydibergi5228 If you are looking to spend 5K on a kit for your granddaughter, I can give you some things to think about before you talk to a sales engineer. PS, I'm from the US, so there may be pricing issues that I am not aware of in Canada.
1) Where the kit will be: I assume you've already done this, but if you haven't, consider the space for the kit. You need to consider living space, neighbors, other occupants, pets, etc. Also, make sure your granddaughter knows the importance of hearing protection (a good friend of mine already has tinnitus).
2) Acoustic or electronic. Having played both, I find that acoustic drums offer a more authentic feel, which is crucial if your granddaughter is considering a drumming career. However, I understand that certain spaces may not be suitable for acoustic drums due to their loudness. There are ways to reduce the sound (slap-on mutes, low-volume cymbals, etc.), but it's important that the kit owner occasionally practices with actual acoustic heads and cymbals to maintain the 'real feel '.
3) Buy a decent-quality drum rug. Many drum equipment uses spikes or spurs to anchor the hardware to the floor. We don't want to damage your granddaughter's home now, and that is how to keep the bass drum from sliding.
4) Budget: If you plan to buy electronic equipment, the 65drums RUclips channel is a great place to start your research.
If you have $5K to spend on an acoustic set, and you know for a fact that your granddaughter is passionate about playing the drums, set about 1,000 aside for shells from Tama, Mapex, Pearl, etc. Other costs would include decent hardware: cymbal stands, snare stands, drum thrones (round and flat is the way to go btw,), hi-hat stands, etc. I did not include DW in my list of recommended brands because while DW's premium stuff is definitely reliable, you'll be spending more money than if you were buying the same quality from other brands. And that takes us to the drum pedal. Go with Tama, Gibraltar, Mapex, etc.. Their stuff is priced well.
5) Cymbals (if you're buying acoustic): From my experience, great-quality cymbals usually cost at least $300 each. The ride cymbal and hi-hats will be the most expensive cymbals. If you are willing to get high-end cymbals for your granddaughter, maybe look at cymbal packs for $1,000+ with four cymbals (they might cost even more). If you see a cymbal pack that offers 12 cymbals for only $1,000, I would be skeptical of the cymbal quality. The bulk of the budget for my kit went into purchasing cymbals. All the established cymbal makers make great cymbals.
I know there is a lot to unpack here, and I have a feeling I forgot some things. It is a great thing you are thinking about for your granddaughter! Hopefully, this helps. Good luck!
I can’t stand the DWe. EFNOTE pro all the way. Just feels phenomenal. Played the Zildjian kit today and like it. Definitely a freshman kit but a great freshman kit.
@@martydibergi5228 If you are looking to spend 5K on a kit for your granddaughter, I can give you some things to think about before you talk to a sales engineer. PS, I'm from the US, so there may be pricing issues that I am not aware of in Canada.
1) Where the kit will be: I assume you've already done this, but if you haven't, consider the space for the kit. You need to consider living space, neighbors, other occupants, pets, etc. Also, make sure your granddaughter knows the importance of hearing protection (a good friend of mine already has tinnitus).
2) Acoustic or electronic. Having played both, I find that acoustic drums offer a more authentic feel, which is crucial if your granddaughter is considering a drumming career. However, I understand that certain spaces may not be suitable for acoustic drums due to their loudness. There are ways to reduce the sound (slap-on mutes, low-volume cymbals, etc.), but it's important that the kit owner occasionally practices with actual acoustic heads and cymbals to maintain the 'real feel '.
3) Buy a decent-quality drum rug. Many drum equipment uses spikes or spurs to anchor the hardware to the floor. We don't want to damage your granddaughter's home now, and that is how to keep the bass drum from sliding.
4) Budget: If you plan to buy electronic equipment, the 65drums RUclips channel is a great place to start your research.
If you have $5K to spend on an acoustic set, and you know for a fact that your granddaughter is passionate about playing the drums, set about 1,000 aside for shells from Tama, Mapex, Pearl, etc. Other costs would include decent hardware: cymbal stands, snare stands, drum thrones (round and flat is the way to go btw,), hi-hat stands, etc. I did not include DW in my list of recommended brands because while DW's premium stuff is definitely reliable, you'll be spending more money than if you were buying the same quality from other brands. And that takes us to the drum pedal. Go with Tama, Gibraltar, Mapex, etc.. Their stuff is priced well.
5) Cymbals (if you're buying acoustic): From my experience, great-quality cymbals usually cost at least $300 each. The ride cymbal and hi-hats will be the most expensive cymbals. If you are willing to get high-end cymbals for your granddaughter, maybe look at cymbal packs for $1,000+ with four cymbals (they might cost even more). If you see a cymbal pack that offers 12 cymbals for only $1,000, I would be skeptical of the cymbal quality. The bulk of the budget for my kit went into purchasing cymbals. All the established cymbal makers make great cymbals.
I know there is a lot to unpack here, and I have a feeling I forgot some things. It is a great thing you are thinking about for your granddaughter! Hopefully, this helps. Good luck!
Prices on these kits are way high.
32GB is small considering you could have just put a 1TB ssd in the module.
$7000! Good luck.
Player 5 has entered the game.
balance of the kit vs the "cymbals" is horrible...and the whole thing just sounds unmusical.
Will there be a package available for just the required pieces?
That way I can use it on my existing acoustic kit? Rather than buying another set, I do not need...
So Zildjian locked the cymbal connection for other brand modules or can you use a dongle or adapter?
Good question. Curious about this too. My guess is there won't be an adapter though
They used "proprietary." I'm sold!
The z cymbals can be bought separately. They are amazing when needing low noise or small environment playing. I found a set without the mics and put them on my acoustic kit. I use it for everything 😅
This is not worth the money
I'm going to trade in my civic for that.😂
Quién en su sano juicio va a comprar esto?
But can the hi hat compete with the vh-14
Just went to upgrade the firmware and it froze up on me and is sitting there doing nothing. I have a $6000 display piece in my living room now. Not happy. And Zildjian Support is only available until 5 PM Eastern time which means I need to leave work early tomorrow so that I can call them up and deal with this.
You guys are such divas with your oxygen tanks and readers. 5200m is high, but you bring altitude medication and start taking it before you ascend, or you climb gradually and you don't need to take anything. This narrative was way too extra and just made you look naive and unprepared.
Too bad this is not a review, but a sales pitch.
It’s Sweetwater, it’s a demo video.
@@listener84 So not an objective or helpful vid in any way, but a total bias on Zildjian cymbals when just about nothing on an e-drum is cymbal related. Zildjian only replaced cymbal pads with a few low noice cymbals, that's all.
@@bertilverbaarschot5874 then why do you need a review video, you already know it all? News flash, ITS SWEETWATER, THEY SELL GEAR. It’s a demo video, simply to show features and to express their pride in carrying the line. There will be plenty of other vids on the interwebs for you to judge, don’t fret (guitar pun intended).
Remember, with acoustic kit u still need to buy mics & cords.. & there are no feedback issues with my F-5 NOTE, or any e-kit.
A.... Crown?? ??..... .... No 👎
I loved the idea of Gen16's i just never understood the practical application. This seems like Gen16 version 2.
Yes, I would love to have a DWe/ZildjianE kit. But only a select few will be able to justify the expense.
Actually they made 2 versions of Gen16.
Dwe/E vault is a wet dream for a lot of people, I think…
Show the conversion from E to acoustic and play the acoustic.
Will the symbols or any of the metal electronic symbols work on a elas's drum kit
Are this drum set better than any Drum tec pro 3 drums ?
Oh let’s go!! What an instrument! 🥁
The guy sounds like Rick Beato
The IR's they mapped to those cymbal sounds are also key.
Where can I try playing the zildjian e-drums
this just made my heart skip a beat....beautiful
Can you get the cymbals standalone without the rest of the kit?
They should market the cymbals as an e kit add on. Especially the hi hats.
@@allenmitchell09 I agree completely
Dw e-kit with these cymbals for the win!
Price is steep for me but having real cymbals is better. Can we change from stick to mallets without changing settings?
What? Not one comment yet on positional sensing lol? I’m shocked. Shocked I say 😅
YES well done on the cymbals! The DWe cymbals have me scratching my head.
The module lands nicely between the Mimic and Roland. Uncompressed sounds are the ticket.
How good is the HH triggering is key, I’ll wait for the Justin 65 Drums review (also, why 65 drums and not 64? I keep forgetting to ask:)
Can the drum sizes etc be modeled like Roland/Pearl? Not my thing but a question.
On the downside, I get the different price tiers, but the “hybrid” idea is a no go. This is not well thought out. I get that DW did it because they are DW. Zildjian though? Instead they should make the drum shells just strong enough to properly trigger, and could even be a high quality ABS or whatever, and alternatively cut the price by $1500 or $1000. Most drummers HAVE an acoustic kit btw.
Also, you’re going to take 40mins + to convert your kit for a gig, then again when you get it home? AND you still have to have separate cymbals as well. I think the “corporate wonks/Dilberts” want to puff their chest out and go head to head with the other brands that have already executed this (bad) idea. Also, yes, I don’t want the ones without full size shells for my home set-up, but I might use them for gigs. So Yes, to beat a dead horse, the hybrid idea is exactly backward.
very cool kit. Dont see many selling though. Price is a bit too high for just three cymabls. I know newer tech and what not but for the price tag you can get an ekit with so much more to it. Then to expand this kit with more of their "real like" cymbals will probably cost an arm and a leg too. I think they throw in an extra cymbal or floor tom and it helps sell more. Can go grab the efnote pro 707 for a few grand more. Get 8 extra pieces with it and have a monster of a kit right off the bat. I dont think these "new cymbals" are a huge selling point. Does Zildjian have that many loyal fans to spend this kind of cash on such a small kit? Just my opinion, maybe they will sell thousands of these.
It's cool, but feels very 2019.
Pretty cool. But to me, a drumset isn't complete unless I have at least 2 crash cymbals. even if they are "digital or electronic". Just doesn't "feel" right otherwise. Just a thought Zildjian, you are first a cymbal company. Hopefully a 3rd crash is offered as a nice add on to the other drum sets at a decent price.