The real Cato was actually five years younger than Caesar and eleven years younger than Pompey. It must have been all that wine he drank that aged him.
They mixed up cato the younger with cato the elder, this casting is absolutely perfect for cato the elder, only he lived 100 years before the show is set. Im pretty sure its just a mistake
"Caesar is my brother by sacred oath and a faithful son of the Republic, and until someone can prove otherwise I will never betray him" I always loved the tragic characters in a story.
Something they should have shown in the show: one day while Cato was making a speech he saw Caesar get passed a message. Assuming it was a conspiracy, he demanded Caesar read it aloud. It was actually a love note from Caesar’s mistress-who was Cato’d sister in law.
@@samjonas5494 I think it was in the year of Cicero's consulship. Also during the Cataline conspiracy. Cato thought Caesar was receiving instructions from Catalina.
This show is so inaccurate from the excerpts I've seen :/ Even in this, why does he call Caesar the co-consul of Pompey? Caesar was proconsul (i.e. governor). And Pompey was acting as sole consul (which was highly illegal, but whatever).
That's funny because Cato's half sister, Servilla was a noted lover of Caesar and once she wrote him a love note during session and Cato didn't know this so he demanded Caesar read it aloud, being the absolute boy, Caesar gave the note to Cato who threw it in his face.
@@evannesbitt7852 It was during the Catiline Conspiracy and Cato suspected, even openly accused, Caesar of being a part of it. A note was passed to Caesar and Cato demanded it.
@@mutabore7 lmao good one, the idiot didnt know when he was beaten and wasted more good roman men in pointless civil war. He couldnt even take his own life properly.
The reason why Cato is often shown older than Caesar in looks is probably because he was a very wise man. Great stoic. Marcus Aurelius mentions him in Meditations
Cato was a fool who brought down the republic with his stubbornness and obstructionism. The First Triumvirate would never had formed were in not for him
Disappointed with the portrayal of Cato, nothing like the pompous old man portrayed in this TV series. He was a popular down-to-earth politician and elected Tribune of the Plebs in his early 30s. He would have been 45 in real life before Caesars invasion and he was a highly skilled military veteran who'd fought in numerous wars. This is why he was able to survive in North Africa for 2 years after Pompey died. This angered Caesar so much that Caesar had all of Cato's men executed after the war. Cato was also the uncle of Brutus something which the show completely ignores.
lol what? this comment is all wrong. I wouldn't call him "highly skilled veteran" at all. There is a reason why he didn't serve in any of the armies during the Roman Civil War. He was always around the area but he didn't get involved in the strategic planning. He was not down to earth at all. He blindly attacked Caesar during the Catiline conspiracy and accused him of being involved for no other reason except that he hated him. He also suggested that Caesar be handed over to the Gauls for execution, and he would threaten to prosecute unfairly. Sure, he was younger than portrayed here but the rest of your comment is stupid.
He was a proponent of the status quo because he was making money and status due to it. He was jealous of men who were better than him. The Catos deserved there extinction
@@Historyandlegends789 He was a proponent of the status quo because the alternative was a lot worse...decades of civil war, ending the destruction of the republic and the birth of absolute tyranny
Why does Cato refer to Caesar as Pompey's co-consul? Caesar and Pompey were not co-consuls together at this time (nor ever, I think). Maybe the writers used «co-consul» because Caesar was proconsul of Gaul?
Cristián Paris just bending the narrative a bit, Caesar was never consul with Pompey, he was only consul once up to this point with a guy called Bibilus, he was so ineffective that the year was named for the consuls Julius and Caesar.
The pilot changed history to establish Pompey and Caesar as equals. Detailing the entire backstory of Sulla, Marius, land reform, overpopulation issue, Senate division, class division, social problem, Catiline, Cicero, Claudius, Milo, the First triumvirate, Crassus death etc... would have been too complicated. I wished they dedicated the GoT budget for this. Who needs historical fiction if history is already dramatic enough.
"Maybe the writers used «co-consul» because Caesar was proconsul of Gaul?" I wouldn't be surprised to find that the writers didn't even know what a proconsul was.
Once again, Cato is portrayed as older than Caesar (when he was actually five years younger) but now, in addition to that, for some reason they decided to dress him as a Greek. WTF? Even if for some reason Cato had actually favored the Greek himation (and a black one at that? was he in mourning?) he would have been required to wear his senator's tunic and toga when in session like this.
I know its an old comment but for the toga : Cato was a stoic and had the personnal habit of dressing with strange clothes To cultivate humility (getting laugh at by the others) . It is attested
@@gabrielgboucher6546 But like I said, when the senate was in session he would have to wear his senator's toga or they wouldn't have even let him in. Romans were nothing if not sticklers for protocol.
@@Guitcad1 i see, are you sure about that , i dont know about senator's stickyness To protocol that Well so ill take your word for it. I only saw that they wanted To portray this habit of cato in the show so they putted him in that attire in the senate without thinking maybe...
But i must say i hate the fact that they portray him as an old man : "He was a Roman traditionalist so we have To portray him as a man passed his time, a sort of supra boomer" Cato was anachronistic because of his old roman manner , a living statue but they dont have To do this To him.
The Republic after Marius vs Sulla or maybe even antics of Grakhi brothers required some serious reforms, Optimates weren't interested to do them because they were benefitting from status quo. Caesar and Avgvstvs FTW
Tiger74147 Cato was a hardcore follower of a philosophy called Stoicism which, among other things, called for total apathy toward societal norms. Cato, following these teachings, would even walk around the forum stark naked as a sign of austerity and because he honestly didn't give a fuck. Story goes that the senate eventually forced him to wear at least something in the city, so he settled on wearing nothing but a simple cloth cape, instead of the high class togas of other senators. As cool as that is, I can understand why hbo gave him a tunic instead of the alternative. :D
What year was this set? Cato says that Caesar has gourged himself on Gaul for 8 years and the Gallic Wars lasted 58-50 BC so it must be 50 BC. Then again Pompey's last term as consul was in 52 BC, and Caesar had not been consul since 59 BC.
The major flaw is not even mentioned: Proconsuls who hold an Imperium, like Caesar in Gaul, were strictly forbidden to enter Rome's pommerium, and thus could not even get access to the senate building. Unless, for some reason, the Senate held a meeting e.g. on the Campus Martius, like during the Ides of March. - Not the case during Caesar's campaign in Gaul, though.
He was wrong considering all he wanted was the nobles and rich to tread on the poor. Caesar was no angel but he did hold some value and respect to his people unlike Caro and his faction.
@@antred11 Jesus Christ try to learn a different language than yours and stop jugging... Eu falo dezenas de milhares de palavras em outra língua, e ainda falo a sua, quer dar críticas? Seja construtivo pelo menos.
IDK man the writing was on the wall for the Republic a century before Caesar ever came into the spotlight. The growing empire forced the Republic to rely on soldiers not tied to Rome itself, but rather the pay which was guaranteed by its most wealthy and powerful individuals. Not to mention the growing wealth inequality that permeated their society. Sulla and Marius gave Caesar the blueprint and the rest is history. The Republic failed to deal with the many issues that led to a unstoppable course towards authoritarian rule. I honestly think the shift to an Emperor actually managed to stave off the worst for a bit. Without Augustus Rome simply would have descended into constant civil war and rebellion that would have brought it to its knees centuries earlier.
@thewitchking852 Yeah, but the lack of clear rules of inheritance caused such a big number of coups, and absolute power of one individual made crazy things possible, like Caligula and Nero did. The Republican senat was at least some kind of brake to all those things. Rome would never become as it was without the Republic. If it was an Empire from the start, I doubt it became ever so great . The same problem was killing Constantinople as for me. In that case, it's even worse. That's why if you have absolute authoritarian power, at least the inheritance system should be clear and stable.
@@dman1988 Oh you're not wrong. If you look at it, the Republic allowed Rome to build the empire it did. The 2nd Punic War would have been lost after Cannae bc the head of state and his army would have been dead. Instead, the Republic simply elected new leaders. The vast majority of Roman territory was taken under the Republic and the Empire just mostly maintained that. Its just that the Republic failed to defend itself from the issues that IT created and was doomed to it's fate. I agree that a functioning, constantly reforming Republic would have been far superior in the long run... but I don't think that was possible. And on succession, yeah. Especially considering Manzikert could have been dealt with easily if everyone wasn't killing each other in the aftermath. Its almost funny that the Republican roots of Rome are largely the root cause of that particular issue
@thewitchking852 yeah, and even classic monarchy would be better than what they have. Unfortunately, the son's inheritance rule wasn't invented yet. Still, the Republic is the best, assigning a dictator for a short period if necessary, like with Marcus Firius Camillus.
@@yunleung2631 wew, yes he is stoic, but still ingat fact, Cato is one of noble and maybe very rich family in Rome, he just insist for very strict of republic laws
Senator McConnell, I have a question concerning your friend and co-conspirator; the darling of Caerus, Donald Jessica Trump. Why does he not aid in the transition of government? Why does he not give a concession speech?
Black clothing has always been a symbol of mourning. He was probably wearing it because he's mourning the death of the Republic. Thing is, I don't think him and his friends even care about the Republic. They hate the fact that one man is having all the power and not them.
Cato modeled himself as champion of the mos maiorum (ancient custom). The way he wears the toga without a tunic, barefooted and with only a loincloth underneath, is actually copied from the statues of Rome's ancestors. The dye of the toga is also supposed to have been darker and more purple in Rome's ancient past
@@SIickTurtIe yes, reading from Plutarch "He often dressed poorly and was laughet at for that. By doing so, he learned to be ashamed only for those things that deserve guilt and shame, and not for how he dressed." It was a stoic exercise. I am not english native speaker, I hope you understood what I wrote
Cicero was a compleate hypocrite, he had men put to death without trial on conspiracy charges using his powers as a dictator no diferent than sulla, yet he is lauded as an enlightened centrist, simply because he played both sides to his own ends... He absolutley deserved his end on Antony and Octavians perscription list.
@@chromicm6686 Cicero was never dictator, he was empowered by the senate through the SCU, and made sure he had the consent of the senate for the executions. The legal issue that is sometimes debated is that rights granted to the Consul by the SCU, to do whatever necessary to protect the Republic, conflicted, in this case, with the right of citizens to make a public address to the people before their execution. It was a legal gray area, it would have been a dumb idea to let them make their speeches to the public, and the senate was on board. Clearly not as bad as you described it.
@@LOLERXP yes, exactly as I describe it is correct. What was the term the romans used for an individual being empowered with supreme power? Fascies, from where the term fascism is derived, same with Dictat. It makes no difference if the power was granted by the senate, he was proclaimed an effective dictator and trampled over essential rights of citizens and may well have had inoccent men put to death. Look no further than trudeaus administration to see the same sort of of occurence with emergency powers happening today. Hitler was empowered by the richestag to pass the enabling act, as was ceazar to pass his own bareley legal decrees. The modus operandi of a dictator is neccesity, every one of them claims they are protecting the people and the nation to pass their orders, every single time. Why might it be foolish to not grant them a public trial or public speech? In most cases a tyrant never wants the accused to speak out usualy because they fear what they have to say, as it might ruin the narrative about said individual and cast doubt on their guilt. Dont get me wrong, I dont think cicero was some kind of monster, I just dont belive he was any better than pompei, Ceazar or octavian, he had his own motives and has been embelished by historians over the ages with hindsight into a far nobler man than he actualy was. If you have people murdered without trial I think its quite fitting you should share the same fate.
The real Cato was actually five years younger than Caesar and eleven years younger than Pompey. It must have been all that wine he drank that aged him.
Also Cicero was significantly older than all of them.
I think they had him played by an older man because Cato represented the staunchly traditionalist Conservatives
@@Hugh_Morris Karl Johnson without beard always looks older than his age.
They mixed up cato the younger with cato the elder, this casting is absolutely perfect for cato the elder, only he lived 100 years before the show is set. Im pretty sure its just a mistake
A stroke will do that
"Caesar is my brother by sacred oath and a faithful son of the Republic, and until someone can prove otherwise I will never betray him" I always loved the tragic characters in a story.
Something they should have shown in the show: one day while Cato was making a speech he saw Caesar get passed a message. Assuming it was a conspiracy, he demanded Caesar read it aloud. It was actually a love note from Caesar’s mistress-who was Cato’d sister in law.
when was this? Caesar wasn't in rome at this time
funny
@@pshr2447 I believe it was years earlier when he was consul the first time
@@samjonas5494
I think it was in the year of Cicero's consulship. Also during the Cataline conspiracy.
Cato thought Caesar was receiving instructions from Catalina.
This show is so inaccurate from the excerpts I've seen :/
Even in this, why does he call Caesar the co-consul of Pompey?
Caesar was proconsul (i.e. governor).
And Pompey was acting as sole consul (which was highly illegal, but whatever).
Cato was so smart tv shows writers think people wouldn’t believe that he was in fact younger than Pompey,Caesar, Cicero…
The “darling of Venus.”
That's funny because Cato's half sister, Servilla was a noted lover of Caesar and once she wrote him a love note during session and Cato didn't know this so he demanded Caesar read it aloud, being the absolute boy, Caesar gave the note to Cato who threw it in his face.
@@evannesbitt7852 It was during the Catiline Conspiracy and Cato suspected, even openly accused, Caesar of being a part of it. A note was passed to Caesar and Cato demanded it.
It was believed that Caesar's patrician Julia gens had a divine origin from Venus. Cato's being sarcastic here.
@@ningenJMK I see someone read Plutarch's Cato
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1:09, Cato's arm looked swole from behind lol
it should be mandatory for all senators to do a regular exercise routine and lift weights
Coomer
He has that old man strength.
That's his writing hand. Those speeches don't write themselves.
Imagine the muscles in his tongue.
Didn't Caesar order his arrest because he was planning on talking for the rest of the day?
Pompey stilling there, with that "when will this guy shut up, he's making enemies for me that I don't need." look.
pretty much
10:08 for an oldfuck cato has some pretty swole arms.
@Goliath Online Is this the younger? I swear he died young
@@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200 He was like 42yo when he died.
Noticed that too.
@@WalkwithRoberto almost 50. A very brave and honorable man he was.
@@mutabore7 lmao good one, the idiot didnt know when he was beaten and wasted more good roman men in pointless civil war.
He couldnt even take his own life properly.
01:09 Dayyuuummm Cato definitely not missing the arm day for sure
@1:30 omg the way he sits down so slowly is fucking awesome.
Yes, after having said his mind. And the way his friend helps him. . .
Why is he the only one who wears a black robe?
@@schoolofgrowthhacking he's in mourning for the Republic.
I love Cato’s squint. 😉
💀😂
I don’t think it is on purpose, the actor had a stroke. But it just adds to the character
@@TheNorthie
Well now I feel terrible. 😳😕
You have lost Rome without unsheathing your sword!!!!
His illegal war is OH-VUH!
The reason why Cato is often shown older than Caesar in looks is probably because he was a very wise man. Great stoic. Marcus Aurelius mentions him in Meditations
Also, he drank so much that it aged him very rapidly.
Cato was a fool who brought down the republic with his stubbornness and obstructionism. The First Triumvirate would never had formed were in not for him
Disappointed with the portrayal of Cato, nothing like the pompous old man portrayed in this TV series. He was a popular down-to-earth politician and elected Tribune of the Plebs in his early 30s. He would have been 45 in real life before Caesars invasion and he was a highly skilled military veteran who'd fought in numerous wars. This is why he was able to survive in North Africa for 2 years after Pompey died. This angered Caesar so much that Caesar had all of Cato's men executed after the war. Cato was also the uncle of Brutus something which the show completely ignores.
lol what? this comment is all wrong. I wouldn't call him "highly skilled veteran" at all. There is a reason why he didn't serve in any of the armies during the Roman Civil War. He was always around the area but he didn't get involved in the strategic planning. He was not down to earth at all. He blindly attacked Caesar during the Catiline conspiracy and accused him of being involved for no other reason except that he hated him. He also suggested that Caesar be handed over to the Gauls for execution, and he would threaten to prosecute unfairly. Sure, he was younger than portrayed here but the rest of your comment is stupid.
@@Blahbladestorms6192 When did he threaten to prosecute ceasar unfairly?
I find him quite agreeable and honourable in the show to be honest.
He was a proponent of the status quo because he was making money and status due to it. He was jealous of men who were better than him. The Catos deserved there extinction
@@Historyandlegends789 He was a proponent of the status quo because the alternative was a lot worse...decades of civil war, ending the destruction of the republic and the birth of absolute tyranny
Rule the Rome, as a bloody tyrant!!
more lika as a bloody toilet
Why does Cato refer to Caesar as Pompey's co-consul? Caesar and Pompey were not co-consuls together at this time (nor ever, I think). Maybe the writers used «co-consul» because Caesar was proconsul of Gaul?
Cristián Paris just bending the narrative a bit, Caesar was never consul with Pompey, he was only consul once up to this point with a guy called Bibilus, he was so ineffective that the year was named for the consuls Julius and Caesar.
The pilot changed history to establish Pompey and Caesar as equals. Detailing the entire backstory of Sulla, Marius, land reform, overpopulation issue, Senate division, class division, social problem, Catiline, Cicero, Claudius, Milo, the First triumvirate, Crassus death etc... would have been too complicated. I wished they dedicated the GoT budget for this. Who needs historical fiction if history is already dramatic enough.
Maybe it was meant as an insult?
Pompey was not consul in 50 BC (when the Gallic War ended) so he shouldn't have been in that chair either.
"Maybe the writers used «co-consul» because Caesar was proconsul of Gaul?"
I wouldn't be surprised to find that the writers didn't even know what a proconsul was.
I cannot not see Cicero as Rowan Atkinson
1:35 "Ah shit"
Awe! True to Caesar!
Toga Party! TOGA! TOGA!
1:09 Cato's got a strong bicep tho. Lookit that.
Well he wasnt wrong about caesar..
JB Weld he also the embodiment of the politician who is so stubborn he deserved his death
@@Historyandlegends789 So did Caeser is many ways. Everyone deserves to die, depending on who you ask.
@@Historyandlegends789 He is also the kind of politician who would sooner welcome death than see his position and status removed.
@@ProCoRat Cesar never said he was going to take away catos offices and wanted to pardon him
@@Historyandlegends789 Cato's death is metal as fuck and also gruesome, straight out of a comicbook
We need a real Cato to make a speech like this in Canadian parliament.
spoken like a true optimate
Once again, Cato is portrayed as older than Caesar (when he was actually five years younger) but now, in addition to that, for some reason they decided to dress him as a Greek. WTF? Even if for some reason Cato had actually favored the Greek himation (and a black one at that? was he in mourning?) he would have been required to wear his senator's tunic and toga when in session like this.
I know its an old comment but for the toga : Cato was a stoic and had the personnal habit of dressing with strange clothes To cultivate humility (getting laugh at by the others) . It is attested
But for the âge yea i think he died at 42
@@gabrielgboucher6546 But like I said, when the senate was in session he would have to wear his senator's toga or they wouldn't have even let him in. Romans were nothing if not sticklers for protocol.
@@Guitcad1 i see, are you sure about that , i dont know about senator's stickyness To protocol that Well so ill take your word for it. I only saw that they wanted To portray this habit of cato in the show so they putted him in that attire in the senate without thinking maybe...
But i must say i hate the fact that they portray him as an old man : "He was a Roman traditionalist so we have To portray him as a man passed his time, a sort of supra boomer" Cato was anachronistic because of his old roman manner , a living statue but they dont have To do this To him.
Childhood is when you support caesar
Adulthood is when you support the Republic
Being brown is supporting the republic.
Being white is supporting Caesar.
@@sixmillionisimpossiblethis but opposite
The Republic after Marius vs Sulla or maybe even antics of Grakhi brothers required some serious reforms, Optimates weren't interested to do them because they were benefitting from status quo. Caesar and Avgvstvs FTW
The senate tried the same thing against Sulla !
Where do we see the whole movie?
Check HBO's series titled Rome, planned to have long 5 season, but after some accidents and lack of funds, just to be 2 season
HE WAS A CO CONSUL OF ROME!
Me:" I swear I wont talk about politics tonight!"
Also me after half a bottle:
Why is Cato wearing that?
Tiger74147 Cato was a hardcore follower of a philosophy called Stoicism which, among other things, called for total apathy toward societal norms. Cato, following these teachings, would even walk around the forum stark naked as a sign of austerity and because he honestly didn't give a fuck.
Story goes that the senate eventually forced him to wear at least something in the city, so he settled on wearing nothing but a simple cloth cape, instead of the high class togas of other senators.
As cool as that is, I can understand why hbo gave him a tunic instead of the alternative. :D
Good info!
HAHAHAHA
its a toga pulla actually
I thought he wore black as a sign of mourning for the death of his beloved republic.
The Virgin Caesereans vs the Chad Cato
Hating on caesar smh
What year was this set? Cato says that Caesar has gourged himself on Gaul for 8 years and the Gallic Wars lasted 58-50 BC so it must be 50 BC. Then again Pompey's last term as consul was in 52 BC, and Caesar had not been consul since 59 BC.
it's the show playing fast an loose with history, besides, the whole time between 52-50 BC was so chaotic Pompey might as well still be consul
The major flaw is not even mentioned: Proconsuls who hold an Imperium, like Caesar in Gaul, were strictly forbidden to enter Rome's pommerium, and thus could not even get access to the senate building. Unless, for some reason, the Senate held a meeting e.g. on the Campus Martius, like during the Ides of March. - Not the case during Caesar's campaign in Gaul, though.
Also Carthage must be destroyed
Wrong Cato
@@dargkkast6469 my b. Carthage wasn't that bad I guess.
@@PewPew_McPewster That always depends on which side you are
I have seen no Carthaginian pizzas so delenda away, Cato
......er, different Cato, an ancestor of this one.
Cato, the last true to the bone Republican.
Cato, say whattttttt!!!!!!!!!!!
... myDad has had men namen
AnTon
AnThony
Sadly Cato was right but no one listened until it was too late.
BASED... oh, wait
Balls.
Cato wasn't wrong though.
He was wrong considering all he wanted was the nobles and rich to tread on the poor. Caesar was no angel but he did hold some value and respect to his people unlike Caro and his faction.
You are right he wasn't wrong.........he was dead wrong
@@james-97209 About Ceasar?
@@nocturnalrecluse1216All Cato did was convince Caesar that he had to become what they already called him.
Caesar and Pompey were not consuls at the same time.
The death of Stalin Cato is one of the doctors I knew his face was familiar...
Jesus Christ, try using some punctuation.
@@antred11 Jesus Christ try to learn a different language than yours and stop jugging... Eu falo dezenas de milhares de palavras em outra língua, e ainda falo a sua, quer dar críticas? Seja construtivo pelo menos.
@@MauroGames1 I already speak a different language than "mine".
Why is he so old lol, he was in is late 30's at this time.
Why does Cato wear black?
Cato wore black to show he was in morning for the dying Roman Republic.
The OG hipster
I'm probably one of the few who are for the Republic. I think Rome would stand much longer if it hadn't fallen to tyranny.
IDK man the writing was on the wall for the Republic a century before Caesar ever came into the spotlight. The growing empire forced the Republic to rely on soldiers not tied to Rome itself, but rather the pay which was guaranteed by its most wealthy and powerful individuals. Not to mention the growing wealth inequality that permeated their society. Sulla and Marius gave Caesar the blueprint and the rest is history. The Republic failed to deal with the many issues that led to a unstoppable course towards authoritarian rule.
I honestly think the shift to an Emperor actually managed to stave off the worst for a bit. Without Augustus Rome simply would have descended into constant civil war and rebellion that would have brought it to its knees centuries earlier.
@thewitchking852 Yeah, but the lack of clear rules of inheritance caused such a big number of coups, and absolute power of one individual made crazy things possible, like Caligula and Nero did. The Republican senat was at least some kind of brake to all those things. Rome would never become as it was without the Republic. If it was an Empire from the start, I doubt it became ever so great . The same problem was killing Constantinople as for me. In that case, it's even worse. That's why if you have absolute authoritarian power, at least the inheritance system should be clear and stable.
@@dman1988 Oh you're not wrong. If you look at it, the Republic allowed Rome to build the empire it did. The 2nd Punic War would have been lost after Cannae bc the head of state and his army would have been dead. Instead, the Republic simply elected new leaders. The vast majority of Roman territory was taken under the Republic and the Empire just mostly maintained that.
Its just that the Republic failed to defend itself from the issues that IT created and was doomed to it's fate.
I agree that a functioning, constantly reforming Republic would have been far superior in the long run... but I don't think that was possible.
And on succession, yeah. Especially considering Manzikert could have been dealt with easily if everyone wasn't killing each other in the aftermath. Its almost funny that the Republican roots of Rome are largely the root cause of that particular issue
@thewitchking852 yeah, and even classic monarchy would be better than what they have. Unfortunately, the son's inheritance rule wasn't invented yet. Still, the Republic is the best, assigning a dictator for a short period if necessary, like with Marcus Firius Camillus.
Cato was the true hero
What other jokes do you have
He was also a damned fool. Pushing Pompey to attack Ceaser when they had him on the ropes.
There's no heroes on this show. Everyone is a self-interested cunt in some way or another. Just like in real life.
Based.
Cato was probably the only hero in the entire senate ; but his actions, as arch-enemy of Caesar, had highly tragic results.
Guys, the cato toga is not black, but very deep purple, in real
Dark purple almost black to be exact
@@dafuqmr13 hmm... I see
What?? He seems like the last person who’d sport the Royal color.
@@yunleung2631 wew, yes he is stoic, but still ingat fact, Cato is one of noble and maybe very rich family in Rome, he just insist for very strict of republic laws
@@yunleung2631 Royal purple was not this dark
What is the name of the show?
HBO's Rome
Senator McConnell, I have a question concerning your friend and co-conspirator; the darling of Caerus, Donald Jessica Trump. Why does he not aid in the transition of government? Why does he not give a concession speech?
"Why does he ply the mob, and restructure oversight of the Pentagon?!"
Why has he forgiven the PPP loans of every reprobate in this senate?
Why this single black toga among all the regular ones? We know symbols, we're not that idiotic! It kinda ruined the scene for me.
Black clothing has always been a symbol of mourning. He was probably wearing it because he's mourning the death of the Republic. Thing is, I don't think him and his friends even care about the Republic. They hate the fact that one man is having all the power and not them.
Torag55 You evidently don’t understand anything about Cato. That’s just you projecting your opinion onto history
Cato modeled himself as champion of the mos maiorum (ancient custom). The way he wears the toga without a tunic, barefooted and with only a loincloth underneath, is actually copied from the statues of Rome's ancestors. The dye of the toga is also supposed to have been darker and more purple in Rome's ancient past
I thought this was because of Cato being a die hard stoic
@@SIickTurtIe yes, reading from Plutarch "He often dressed poorly and was laughet at for that. By doing so, he learned to be ashamed only for those things that deserve guilt and shame, and not for how he dressed." It was a stoic exercise. I am not english native speaker, I hope you understood what I wrote
Any show that makes Cato look good and Cicero look bad is twisted garbage.
Cicero was a compleate hypocrite, he had men put to death without trial on conspiracy charges using his powers as a dictator no diferent than sulla, yet he is lauded as an enlightened centrist, simply because he played both sides to his own ends...
He absolutley deserved his end on Antony and Octavians perscription list.
@@chromicm6686 Cicero was never dictator, he was empowered by the senate through the SCU, and made sure he had the consent of the senate for the executions. The legal issue that is sometimes debated is that rights granted to the Consul by the SCU, to do whatever necessary to protect the Republic, conflicted, in this case, with the right of citizens to make a public address to the people before their execution. It was a legal gray area, it would have been a dumb idea to let them make their speeches to the public, and the senate was on board. Clearly not as bad as you described it.
@@LOLERXP yes, exactly as I describe it is correct. What was the term the romans used for an individual being empowered with supreme power?
Fascies, from where the term fascism is derived, same with Dictat.
It makes no difference if the power was granted by the senate, he was proclaimed an effective dictator and trampled over essential rights of citizens and may well have had inoccent men put to death.
Look no further than trudeaus administration to see the same sort of of occurence with emergency powers happening today.
Hitler was empowered by the richestag to pass the enabling act, as was ceazar to pass his own bareley legal decrees.
The modus operandi of a dictator is neccesity, every one of them claims they are protecting the people and the nation to pass their orders, every single time.
Why might it be foolish to not grant them a public trial or public speech? In most cases a tyrant never wants the accused to speak out usualy because they fear what they have to say, as it might ruin the narrative about said individual and cast doubt on their guilt.
Dont get me wrong, I dont think cicero was some kind of monster, I just dont belive he was any better than pompei, Ceazar or octavian, he had his own motives and has been embelished by historians over the ages with hindsight into a far nobler man than he actualy was.
If you have people murdered without trial I think its quite fitting you should share the same fate.
This actor is really annoying playing this character. Always whining and complaining. I hope the real Cato was nothing like that.
Nope, the real cato the younger is not like that, he is stoic, very discipline, but sadly also very strict about rules and hot headed
I actually like this potrayal. Deliciously cynical